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03-07-2007, 19:35
SarahWakefield

And im just saying that i get that you all dont want to inhale second hand smoke!
03-07-2007, 21:11
alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Still wrong, you all keep saying you dont want to inhale second hand smoke, i get that!!

Sorry you appear to have lost me there. Exactly what point are you trying to make:confused:
03-07-2007, 22:54
SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.
03-07-2007, 23:40
Pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

Excuse me, but I was just responding to your argument about car emissions being the same as inhaling second hand smoke...btw you have mentioned car emissions a number of times too.

This is a discussion thread....sooo naturally people are going to give their opinions, which may get repeated/reinforced....:rolleyes: Ofcourse if you keep putting forward your opinion, or making points, others are going to respond....Just because someone disagrees with your view point there's no need to be so dismissive of others’ views…
03-07-2007, 23:46
Meh

Looking at the poll, so far no-ones voted that its a bad thing.

I tried smoking when I was about 11. I had asthma for days. Then I tried again when I was about 17. I used to think I was mega cool with a cig in my hand until some noticed the way I 'smoked'. I never took a puff from the cig and then breathed inwards - I just held it in my mouth and let it out. I tried to inhale and ended up coughing my guts out. Thought wtf, this can't be good for you and stopped smoking there and then.
04-07-2007, 00:09
SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

Excuse me, but I was just responding to your argument about car emissions being the same as inhaling second hand smoke...btw you have mentioned car emissions a number of times too.

This is a discussion thread....sooo naturally people are going to give their opinions, which may get repeated/reinforced....:rolleyes: Ofcourse if you keep putting forward your opinion, or making points, others are going to respond....Just because someone disagrees with your view point there's no need to be so dismissive of others’ views…

Im not meaning to sound nasty or anything like that, im just not for the idea.

Im not very good at wording things, so often it seems like im been negative.
04-07-2007, 00:40
alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not meaning to sound nasty or anything like that, im just not for the idea.

Im not very good at wording things, so often it seems like im been negative.

Perhaps if you thought a bit more about the ill effects of smoking and studied the subject you could maybe present a reasoned argument. Most of us who are in the anti smoking lobby have researched the matter and a therefore able to produce a reasonable argument based on facts not the propoganda pushed down our throats by the multi millionaires who control the tobacco industry. It has been well documented how they increase the addiction causing chemicals when they flood third world countries with their poison
04-07-2007, 00:45
SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!
04-07-2007, 01:37
alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, :rolleyes: apart from i think its totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Its not ok for you to breathe in smoke, but yet, it is ok for you to breathe in the crap that comes from cars? ...hmmmmm, ok then! Yes, yes....do go on, say what you said before about cars been made so there arent alot of whatever anymore, still dangerous and ive got to inhale that stuff! Do you see us complaning about that? Noooooooo!!!

It actually really really winds me up.

Tonight in the nightclub we went outside for a smoke and a non smoker was out complaining, erm hello....get back inside then, you wanted it like this so dont come outside chuffing complaining!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by CrazyLea

That's another thing.. Now that you can't smoke in clubs and pubs etc, there are alot of drunk people smoking outside in the street (For the places that haven't got a shelter), And it make me nervous walking in front of them, so I'll cross the road if possible, but it doesn't stop them making remarks. It's intimidating, particularly for teenagers and the elderly people.

This maybe the case, id feel intimidated too, but where should we go? We are outside, not polluting your air but yet still getting complaints?

I dont get it! ...I really dont! :hmm:

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

No actually, we werent congregated round the doorway, we were outside - where we are supossed to be!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Still wrong, you all keep saying you dont want to inhale second hand smoke, i get that!!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

And im just saying that i get that you all dont want to inhale second hand smoke!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

Excuse me, but I was just responding to your argument about car emissions being the same as inhaling second hand smoke...btw you have mentioned car emissions a number of times too.

This is a discussion thread....sooo naturally people are going to give their opinions, which may get repeated/reinforced....:rolleyes: Ofcourse if you keep putting forward your opinion, or making points, others are going to respond....Just because someone disagrees with your view point there's no need to be so dismissive of others’ views…

Im not meaning to sound nasty or anything like that, im just not for the idea.

Im not very good at wording things, so often it seems like im been negative.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

:rolleyes:

I'm sure if you can present a well reasoned factually based argument someone may listen
04-07-2007, 01:41
SarahWakefield

Why? Whatever I say about smoking according to you is wrong sooo i really dont see the point in saying anything else tbqh!
04-07-2007, 01:55
alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, apart from i think its totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

i really dont see the point in saying anything else tbqh!

Ok thats fine by me I was trying to give you a chance to put your point of view forward
04-07-2007, 13:19
Jojo

I was going to vote no but knew I'd get slated if I did :o

One person has given their opinion that they don't agree with it, and all have jumped on the bandwagon about it. Its no wonder no one has actually voted no.

Sorry, but thats just me.
04-07-2007, 16:13
CrazyLea

I think there should have been another option, as I am still unsure about it. Neither yes or no. But like Ems was saying about the no's, I voted yes for that very reason. (I could have left it blank, but I like to answer polls :lol: :p)
04-07-2007, 19:45
Pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by JoJo

I was going to vote no but knew I'd get slated if I did :o

One person has given their opinion that they don't agree with it, and all have jumped on the bandwagon about it. Its no wonder no one has actually voted no.

Sorry, but thats just me.

Im not sure quite what you are saying, but every one is entitled to an opinion....I am not jumping on any bandwagon here....I have my own mind and opinion on the subject, thank you.

I have merely been responding to the comments of others, in a discussion forum.
04-07-2007, 20:22
SarahWakefield

What's happening to human rights is what I want to know?

Why should someone have the right to tell us what we should and shouldn't do?!
04-07-2007, 20:40
samantha nixon

I'm a non smoker and I wont ever smoke as I think it is a dirty habbit, and from being around family who smoke I know what it actually does to your lungs and heart, but I also know how hard it is to stop.
I'm half and half as I think it's good that people aint allowed to smoke in places, as I went for a meal on sunday and it was great that their was no smoke. But to be honest in the first place I cant say I really noticed the smoke.
But im aslo againts it as a nurse was killed when she went out of the hospital for a fag, so her life was took just because she had to leave the building.
So I think it is good it has been banned but I think in work places people need a designated place to smoke. If not people who worrk night shifts and stuff like that are going on the street to smoke at night and god knows what could happen to them.
04-07-2007, 20:41
Pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

What's happening to human rights is what I want to know? Surely with freedom comes responsibility, and if that isnt the case, then the state has the right, I believe, to intervene for the good/protection of its people.

Why should someone have the right to tell us what we should and shouldn't do?! Maybe because smoking kills....?

I have been reading things on many other forums and alot of non, yes non, smokers think its not on either, that we should be dictated to I dont want to particularly live in a nanny state, but Im all for the quality of my life being improved.

This is the last comment I'll make on this thread, fine you want to smoke in a public place, and I wouldnt have so much of a problem with that, if the byproduct of smoking wasnt toxic, and thus could cause me serious harm.

I dont mind what people do in this world as long as it doesnt adversely affect others...:)
04-07-2007, 20:50
SarahWakefield

Well, imo...it should be the owners of pubs/restaurants etc who decide if they want there business a smoke or smoke free zone. Or there should be a smoking room and non smoking room.

Like you lot are saying why should we have to inhale your smoke, why should i have to freeze to enjoy a cigarette?!
04-07-2007, 20:56
samantha nixon

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Like you lot are saying why should we have to inhale your smoke, why should i have to freeze to enjoy a cigarette?!

Because your the one who wants to kill yourself, or damage yourself
Like I say I have no problems with smokers, but they should go outside or in their own room
04-07-2007, 21:04
SarahWakefield

Yes, well I hope in the summer time you wont be sat outside the pub with all the smokers enjoying the sun because you have got the pub to stay in!
04-07-2007, 22:00
Abigail

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Originally Posted by alan45

Do this quiz you may shock yourself:eek:

http://www.jeffreywigand.com/knowledgetest.php

I got 13/20. Got most of the country questions wrong.

I've not ventured into this thread before, looks like I've missed quite a bit.

I'll start from the top... I totally agree with the ban. Why should the non-smoking population have to suffer from other people's ignorance? Its a well-known fact that 80% of smoke is invisible so times that puff of smoke by five and you'll (hopefully) understand why I , and many others, do NOT want to be subjected to that.

Everybody has their right to do as they wish and if they want to poison themselves, and others, then thats their choice. Unlike drug and alcohol abuse, smoking has direct health consequences on other people. (Understand that I am not talking here about stealing to fund addiction etc.)

The car analogy... I don't understand what that is about. As I understand it, exhaust fumes have far fewer emitted toxins that cigarette smoke. There are 616 intentional additives in tobacco. I couldn't find how many additives are in petrol but I found this "for the most part, the use of additives is neither required or prohibited by the Regulations," meaning that there are very few additives in petrol. Which pretty much closes the matter for me. More additives in = more pollutants out. Which is worse?

Next... Like many other people have mentioned, the smell of smoke on clothes is awful. Now you may say "just wash them" but thats not the point. Often the smell of smoke doesn't come out if you've been in a very smoky place, which really annoys me when I've been out and spent good money on a new outfit only to have it ruined by ignorant people. Also, why should I have to sit next to a table of smokers when I'm having a meal in a pub? Its not a case of "go somewhere else." If I want to eat in a certain pub/restaurant then I should be allowed to without being suffocated by the people at the next table.

I know lung cancer has been mentioned but smoking causes lots of other cancers: mouth, nose and throat, larynx, esophagus, pancreas, bladder, stomach, myeloid leukemia, kidney. Plus heart disease, emphysema, bronchitis, airway infections, damage to the lungs, peptic ulcers, reduced fertility, the list goes on. I can't understand why anybody would want to subject their body to that all for a quick puff several times a day.

I forgot to add, on the money side, if people stop smoking then the government probably won't need to recover lost revenue from somewhere else because the NHS will be able to cope, making up for lost revenue (does that make sense??). There will be no need for NHS advertising on tv and fag packets, no treatment for smoking-related illnesses needed, definatly no need for the NHS to provide aids to help smokers quit etc.

I could go on with reasons why the ban is a good thing but I'll leave it there. I know this may come across as very strong but it's something that I really do detest. I apologise if I offend anyone :)
04-07-2007, 22:25
SarahWakefield

Seems like i'm the only smoker then? :rolleyes:
05-07-2007, 00:00
alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

That what I posted didn't actually come from me, it was actually from a none smoker! Because he also put:

I am a non smoker who believes people can smoke where they like, and stop treating them like social lepers. Alcohol will be next, which is responsible for more illnesses than smoking btw.

Ooooh and in my opinion, ex smokers, are always the worst ones!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, apart from i think its totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

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Originally Posted by alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, :rolleyes: apart from i think its totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Its not ok for you to breathe in smoke, but yet, it is ok for you to breathe in the crap that comes from cars? ...hmmmmm, ok then! Yes, yes....do go on, say what you said before about cars been made so there arent alot of whatever anymore, still dangerous and ive got to inhale that stuff! Do you see us complaning about that? Noooooooo!!!

It actually really really winds me up.

Tonight in the nightclub we went outside for a smoke and a non smoker was out complaining, erm hello....get back inside then, you wanted it like this so dont come outside chuffing complaining!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by CrazyLea

That's another thing.. Now that you can't smoke in clubs and pubs etc, there are alot of drunk people smoking outside in the street (For the places that haven't got a shelter), And it make me nervous walking in front of them, so I'll cross the road if possible, but it doesn't stop them making remarks. It's intimidating, particularly for teenagers and the elderly people.

This maybe the case, id feel intimidated too, but where should we go? We are outside, not polluting your air but yet still getting complaints?

I dont get it! ...I really dont! :hmm:

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

No actually, we werent congregated round the doorway, we were outside - where we are supossed to be!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Still wrong, you all keep saying you dont want to inhale second hand smoke, i get that!!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

And im just saying that i get that you all dont want to inhale second hand smoke!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

Excuse me, but I was just responding to your argument about car emissions being the same as inhaling second hand smoke...btw you have mentioned car emissions a number of times too.

This is a discussion thread....sooo naturally people are going to give their opinions, which may get repeated/reinforced....:rolleyes: Ofcourse if you keep putting forward your opinion, or making points, others are going to respond....Just because someone disagrees with your view point there's no need to be so dismissive of others’ views…

Im not meaning to sound nasty or anything like that, im just not for the idea.

Im not very good at wording things, so often it seems like im been negative.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

:rolleyes:

I'm sure if you can present a well reasoned factually based argument someone may listen

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Why? Whatever I say about smoking according to you is wrong sooo i really dont see the point in saying anything else tbqh!

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Originally Posted by samantha nixon

I'm a non smoker and I wont ever smoke as I think it is a dirty habbit, and from being around family who smoke I know what it actually does to your lungs and heart, but I also know how hard it is to stop.
I'm half and half as I think it's good that people aint allowed to smoke in places, as I went for a meal on sunday and it was great that their was no smoke. But to be honest in the first place I cant say I really noticed the smoke.
But im aslo againts it as a nurse was killed when she went out of the hospital for a fag, so her life was took just because she had to leave the building.
So I think it is good it has been banned but I think in work places people need a designated place to smoke. If not people who worrk night shifts and stuff like that are going on the street to smoke at night and god knows what could happen to them.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Well, imo...it should be the owners of pubs/restaurants etc who decide if they want there business a smoke or smoke free zone. Or there should be a smoking room and non smoking room.

Like you lot are saying why should we have to inhale your smoke, why should i have to freeze to enjoy a cigarette?!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Yes, well I hope in the summer time you wont be sat outside the pub with all the smokers enjoying the sun because you have got the pub to stay in!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Seems like i'm the only smoker then? :rolleyes:

Exactly how many last posts are you going to make. Obviously more than have been heard at the Festival of Remembrance. I along with others have given you many oppurtunities to tell us why you have the right to deny us of the basic human right which is the right to life. The simple FACT is you cannot prove that passive smoking does not cause Lung Cancer, Emphasema, stroke, and loads of other disease which you have never even heard of. Fine if you want to commit suicide thats okay by me but do not murder the rest of us who are forced to breath in your poisons. For once the Goverment has got it right. You can kill yourself if you wish but do not force me or anyone else to inhale your toxins. Lock yourself in a nictine filled room if you want but dont pollute my air. Wake up and try to smell the coffee through the smoke. If you want to smell like an ashtray fine.:angry: You have yet to produce a reasoned argument as to why you should have the right to smoke:sick:
05-07-2007, 00:06
SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by JoJo

I was going to vote no but knew I'd get slated if I did :o

One person has given their opinion that they don't agree with it, and all have jumped on the bandwagon about it. Its no wonder no one has actually voted no.

Sorry, but thats just me.

Yeah, I wish I hadn't of said anything now with the manner of some people on here. :mad:
05-07-2007, 00:07
SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

That what I posted didn't actually come from me, it was actually from a none smoker! Because he also put:

I am a non smoker who believes people can smoke where they like, and stop treating them like social lepers. Alcohol will be next, which is responsible for more illnesses than smoking btw.

Ooooh and in my opinion, ex smokers, are always the worst ones!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, apart from i think its totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

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Originally Posted by alan45

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, :rolleyes: apart from i think its totally wrong!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Its not ok for you to breathe in smoke, but yet, it is ok for you to breathe in the crap that comes from cars? ...hmmmmm, ok then! Yes, yes....do go on, say what you said before about cars been made so there arent alot of whatever anymore, still dangerous and ive got to inhale that stuff! Do you see us complaning about that? Noooooooo!!!

It actually really really winds me up.

Tonight in the nightclub we went outside for a smoke and a non smoker was out complaining, erm hello....get back inside then, you wanted it like this so dont come outside chuffing complaining!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by CrazyLea

That's another thing.. Now that you can't smoke in clubs and pubs etc, there are alot of drunk people smoking outside in the street (For the places that haven't got a shelter), And it make me nervous walking in front of them, so I'll cross the road if possible, but it doesn't stop them making remarks. It's intimidating, particularly for teenagers and the elderly people.

This maybe the case, id feel intimidated too, but where should we go? We are outside, not polluting your air but yet still getting complaints?

I dont get it! ...I really dont! :hmm:

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

No actually, we werent congregated round the doorway, we were outside - where we are supossed to be!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Still wrong, you all keep saying you dont want to inhale second hand smoke, i get that!!

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

And im just saying that i get that you all dont want to inhale second hand smoke!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by pinkbanana

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

Excuse me, but I was just responding to your argument about car emissions being the same as inhaling second hand smoke...btw you have mentioned car emissions a number of times too.

This is a discussion thread....sooo naturally people are going to give their opinions, which may get repeated/reinforced....:rolleyes: Ofcourse if you keep putting forward your opinion, or making points, others are going to respond....Just because someone disagrees with your view point there's no need to be so dismissive of others’ views…

Im not meaning to sound nasty or anything like that, im just not for the idea.

Im not very good at wording things, so often it seems like im been negative.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

:rolleyes:

I'm sure if you can present a well reasoned factually based argument someone may listen

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Why? Whatever I say about smoking according to you is wrong sooo i really dont see the point in saying anything else tbqh!

Quote:

Originally Posted by samantha nixon

I'm a non smoker and I wont ever smoke as I think it is a dirty habbit, and from being around family who smoke I know what it actually does to your lungs and heart, but I also know how hard it is to stop.
I'm half and half as I think it's good that people aint allowed to smoke in places, as I went for a meal on sunday and it was great that their was no smoke. But to be honest in the first place I cant say I really noticed the smoke.
But im aslo againts it as a nurse was killed when she went out of the hospital for a fag, so her life was took just because she had to leave the building.
So I think it is good it has been banned but I think in work places people need a designated place to smoke. If not people who worrk night shifts and stuff like that are going on the street to smoke at night and god knows what could happen to them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Well, imo...it should be the owners of pubs/restaurants etc who decide if they want there business a smoke or smoke free zone. Or there should be a smoking room and non smoking room.

Like you lot are saying why should we have to inhale your smoke, why should i have to freeze to enjoy a cigarette?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Yes, well I hope in the summer time you wont be sat outside the pub with all the smokers enjoying the sun because you have got the pub to stay in!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Seems like i'm the only smoker then? :rolleyes:

Exactly how many last posts are you going to make. Obviously more than have been heard at the Festival of Remembrance. I along with others have given you many oppurtunities to tell us why you have the right to deny us of the basic human right which is the right to life. The simple FACT is you cannot prove that passive smoking does not cause Lung Cancer, Emphasema, stroke, and loads of other disease which you have never even heard of. Fine if you want to commit suicide thats okay by me but do not murder the rest of us who are forced to breath in your poisons. For once the Goverment has got it right. You can kill yourself if you wish but do not force me or anyone else to inhale your toxins. Lock yourself in a nictine filled room if you want but dont pollute my air. Wake up and try to smell the coffee through the smoke. If you want to smell like an ashtray fine.:angry: You have yet to produce a reasoned argument as to why you should have the right to smoke:sick:

I actually find you very rude!
05-07-2007, 00:09
alan45

[QUOTE=SarahWakefield;521455]

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Originally Posted by JoJo

I was going to vote no but knew I'd get slated if I did :o

One person has given their opinion that they don't agree with it, and all have jumped on the bandwagon about it. Its no wonder no one has actually voted no.

Sorry, but thats just me.

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I actually find you very rude!.

:rolleyes: Is this the face of concern

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

[Yeah, I wish I hadn't of said anything now with the manner of some people on here. :mad:

Yes unfortunately the FACTS speak for themselves and you despite all you posts have singularly faile to come up with a reasonable argument for smoking
05-07-2007, 00:10
SarahWakefield

I don't have to explain my reasons for smoking to anyone.

But seeing as though you ask, I actually enjoy smoking. I don't smoke that many not even 10-a-day, but when I have one I enjoy it.
05-07-2007, 00:13
alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

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Originally Posted by alan45

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

That what I posted didn't actually come from me, it was actually from a none smoker! Because he also put:

I am a non smoker who believes people can smoke where they like, and stop treating them like social lepers. Alcohol will be next, which is responsible for more illnesses than smoking btw.

Ooooh and in my opinion, ex smokers, are always the worst ones!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, apart from i think its totally wrong!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

I'll say nothing more on the matter!

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Originally Posted by alan45

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.

Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, :rolleyes: apart from i think its totally wrong!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Its not ok for you to breathe in smoke, but yet, it is ok for you to breathe in the crap that comes from cars? ...hmmmmm, ok then! Yes, yes....do go on, say what you said before about cars been made so there arent alot of whatever anymore, still dangerous and ive got to inhale that stuff! Do you see us complaning about that? Noooooooo!!!

It actually really really winds me up.

Tonight in the nightclub we went outside for a smoke and a non smoker was out complaining, erm hello....get back inside then, you wanted it like this so dont come outside chuffing complaining!

Quote:

Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyLea

That's another thing.. Now that you can't smoke in clubs and pubs etc, there are alot of drunk people smoking outside in the street (For the places that haven't got a shelter), And it make me nervous walking in front of them, so I'll cross the road if possible, but it doesn't stop them making remarks. It's intimidating, particularly for teenagers and the elderly people.

This maybe the case, id feel intimidated too, but where should we go? We are outside, not polluting your air but yet still getting complaints?

I dont get it! ...I really dont! :hmm:

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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield

No actually, we werent congregated round the doorway, we were outside - where we are supossed to be!

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Still wrong, you all keep saying you dont want to inhale second hand smoke, i get that!!

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And im just saying that i get that you all dont want to inhale second hand smoke!

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Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

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Im trying to make no point, im just saying theres no need to keep saying that. I get that none of you like inhaliling it.

Excuse me, but I was just responding to your argument about car emissions being the same as inhaling second hand smoke...btw you have mentioned car emissions a number of times too.

This is a discussion thread....sooo naturally people are going to give their opinions, which may get repeated/reinforced....:rolleyes: Ofcourse if you keep putting forward your opinion, or making points, others are going to respond....Just because someone disagrees with your view point there's no need to be so dismissive of others’ views…

Im not meaning to sound nasty or anything like that, im just not for the idea.

Im not very good at wording things, so often it seems like im been negative.

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I'll say nothing more on the matter!

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I'm sure if you can present a well reasoned factually based argument someone may listen

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Why? Whatever I say about smoking according to you is wrong sooo i really dont see the point in saying anything else tbqh!

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I'm a non smoker and I wont ever smoke as I think it is a dirty habbit, and from being around family who smoke I know what it actually does to your lungs and heart, but I also know how hard it is to stop.
I'm half and half as I think it's good that people aint allowed to smoke in places, as I went for a meal on sunday and it was great that their was no smoke. But to be honest in the first place I cant say I really noticed the smoke.
But im aslo againts it as a nurse was killed when she went out of the hospital for a fag, so her life was took just because she had to leave the building.
So I think it is good it has been banned but I think in work places people need a designated place to smoke. If not people who worrk night shifts and stuff like that are going on the street to smoke at night and god knows what could happen to them.

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Well, imo...it should be the owners of pubs/restaurants etc who decide if they want there business a smoke or smoke free zone. Or there should be a smoking room and non smoking room.

Like you lot are saying why should we have to inhale your smoke, why should i have to freeze to enjoy a cigarette?!

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Yes, well I hope in the summer time you wont be sat outside the pub with all the smokers enjoying the sun because you have got the pub to stay in!

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Seems like i'm the only smoker then? :rolleyes:

Exactly how many last posts are you going to make. Obviously more than have been heard at the Festival of Remembrance. I along with others have given you many oppurtunities to tell us why you have the right to deny us of the basic human right which is the right to life. The simple FACT is you cannot prove that passive smoking does not cause Lung Cancer, Emphasema, stroke, and loads of other disease which you have never even heard of. Fine if you want to commit suicide thats okay by me but do not murder the rest of us who are forced to breath in your poisons. For once the Goverment has got it right. You can kill yourself if you wish but do not force me or anyone else to inhale your toxins. Lock yourself in a nictine filled room if you want but dont pollute my air. Wake up and try to smell the coffee through the smoke. If you want to smell like an ashtray fine.:angry: You have yet to produce a reasoned argument as to why you should have the right to smoke:sick:

I actually find you very rude!

I dont think so. Im sorry if the truth hurts
05-07-2007, 00:17
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I don't have to explain my reasons for smoking to anyone.

But seeing as though you ask, I actually enjoy smoking. I don't smoke that many not even 10-a-day, but when I have one I enjoy it.

Im not asking you to explain YOUR reaons for smoking. Thats your choice. All I am asking as are others is what gives you the right to poison others by your addiction. Now that is a simple question. Surely you can answer that. Im NOT being RUDE but why should I run the risk of Fatal Ilness to allow you to smoke in a confined space whist I am enjoying a meal, drink or a nightclub. If i walked in spraying aresenic all over the place would you say I have a right to do it
05-07-2007, 00:17
SarahWakefield

Well, thats my opinion, like you have yours - I have mine.
05-07-2007, 00:19
alan45

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Well, thats my opinion, like you have yours - I have mine.

Well opinions do not give you rights. With rights come responsibilities
05-07-2007, 00:20
SarahWakefield

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Well, thats my opinion, like you have yours - I have mine.

Well opinions do not give you rights. With rights come responsibilities

I wasnt actually saying that to the post you have just done, it was to the one before, I forgot to quote it.
05-07-2007, 00:26
alan45

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Well, thats my opinion, like you have yours - I have mine.

Well opinions do not give you rights. With rights come responsibilities

I wasnt actually saying that to the post you have just done, it was to the one before, I forgot to quote it.

Whatever

you have failed to address anything I have put to you. There is little point in continuing this conversation with someone such as you. This is my FINAL post to you on the subject. I believe I have proven my case and can supply you with any facts you need or contradict any lies the smoking lobby put forward. Obviously you do not deal with facts so any attempt at reasonable discussion would be pointless.

Smoke away if thats your wish, dispute the evidence thats your right.
05-07-2007, 00:32
SarahWakefield

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Well, thats my opinion, like you have yours - I have mine.

Well opinions do not give you rights. With rights come responsibilities

I wasnt actually saying that to the post you have just done, it was to the one before, I forgot to quote it.

Whatever

you have failed to address anything I have put to you. There is little point in continuing this conversation with someone such as you. This is my FINAL post to you on the subject. I believe I have proven my case and can supply you with any facts you need or contradict any lies the smoking lobby put forward. Obviously you do not deal with facts so any attempt at reasonable discussion would be pointless.

Smoke away if thats your wish, dispute the evidence thats your right.

Someone such as me? Meaning what? I'm scum because I smoke you can bet.

When I first clicked into this topic it says at the top: Is the smoking ban in England a good or a bad thing? I decided to vote that it's a bad thing, obviously because i'm biast because I smoke.

But because I cant give an argument to as why I think its a bad thing I get made to be the bad person because I smoke.

There is nothing I can say to a non-smoker about been able to smoke in pubs/cafe's etc, because anything I would say is unacceptable to a non smoker.
05-07-2007, 00:45
SarahWakefield

And another thing that is totally unacceptable:

My grandma needs a hip replacement, the NHS won't do it because she smokes.

Sooo, there's been a terrible accident involving 2 cars let's say. One person is seriously hurt and needs emergency surgery.

"Mr Smith do you smoke?"

"Yes Doctor, I do"

"Oh sorry then, we will have to leave you to die"

I know that's nothing to do with the smoking ban, but its something else that's to do with smoking which is totally wrong.
05-07-2007, 00:48
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And another thing that is totally unacceptable:

My grandma needs a hip replacement, the NHS won't do it because she smokes.

Sooo, there's been a terrible accident involving 2 cars let's say. One person is seriously hurt and needs emergency surgery.

"Mr Smith do you smoke?"

"Yes Doctor, I do"

"Oh sorry then, we will have to leave you to die"

I know that's nothing to do with the smoking ban, but its something else that's to do with smoking which is totally wrong.

I think that's a bit extreme. Two people need a liver, but one needs it because he's an alcoholic. My moneys on the other person getting it. Even thought they don't admit it, discrimination will take place
05-07-2007, 01:04
alan45

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And another thing that is totally unacceptable:

My grandma needs a hip replacement, the NHS won't do it because she smokes.

Sooo, there's been a terrible accident involving 2 cars let's say. One person is seriously hurt and needs emergency surgery.

"Mr Smith do you smoke?"

"Yes Doctor, I do"

"Oh sorry then, we will have to leave you to die"

I know that's nothing to do with the smoking ban, but its something else that's to do with smoking which is totally wrong.

I think that's a bit extreme. Two people need a liver, but one needs it because he's an alcoholic. My moneys on the other person getting it. Even thought they don't admit it, discrimination will take place

Pecisely. Two people need a lung tansplant who gets it. The smoker who has inflicted it upon themselves or the non smoker who was poisoned by passive smoking. No prizes for guessing the correct answer. Now i wont go into thmorality of the decision. I may sound bitter but I am alive today because earlier this year I had a stroke and was told by the consultant had I been a smoker I would have died. I have asthma because I worked in confined spaces full of smokers. Am I bitter. You can bet your Iron Lung Im bitter.
05-07-2007, 01:11
SarahWakefield

So everyone is just against everything I say? Great stuff.
05-07-2007, 01:13
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So everyone is just against everything I say? Great stuff.

I don't think anyone has anything against you personally. Looks like the views on the thread support the poll.

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