Martin was meaning Jean with sick Ollie, I took it as sick baby Ollie Carter :o
I like this new Martin too
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Martin was meaning Jean with sick Ollie, I took it as sick baby Ollie Carter :o
I like this new Martin too
I thought he did. Half the square knew didn't they?!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
about 3/4 of them knewQuote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
about 3/4 of them knewQuote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
Maybe, but all the same what about poor Jane? Something needs to be done about Bobby anyway, time to stop running away.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Yeah. A kid like that can't be allowed to stay on the streets. It was only a matter of time before he strikes again. Harsh as it sounds, he needs to be behind bars and to get a full dose of psychiatric treatment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
Ian effectively abandoned Bobby to his fate when he chose Jane, the latter is in no fit state to protect her son, and Sharon has obviously reached the end of her tether. I don't think there'll be any more covering for Bobby. The police have been called and it's common knowledge he attacked Jane and claims to have killed Lucy. I don't see how he's getting out of this one! :hmm:
If he admits his guilt to the police and covers for his parents (though I don't know why he would), they could get off scott free - at least in the legal sense. Jane has obviously paid very dearly for her actions.
You would think, but under normal circumstances Bobby should have been found out long ago. Plus, there are some photos of upcoming eps where Bobby is seen at the hospital with Jane and everyone. Of course, he could just be out on bail until the police have resolved everything, but who knows. Everytime when I think Bobby's goose is cooked, EE ends up saving his bacon yet again. So I'm not gonna say anything until he's clamped in irons and sent away for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
That's very true. However, these episodes were some of DTC's final ones as EP, so I'm hoping that means he wanted to see this chapter of Bobby's story completed before he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Let's hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I do wonder if he will get off with this and then learn to be a builder with a speciality of concreting and patios.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I hope Carol is rang and told Max is innocent and of all times for Abi not to be in the pub :angry:
Well I'm certainly looking forward to the most evil villain in the history of soaps outdo Bobby.
I am speaking of Gavin of course.....
What does Roxy think Billy can do, operate in the pub :p
I think they're hoping we've forgotten all about the damp squib that was Gavin. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
So old clicky shoes Max will be back with a list of people to get even with including Abi and Carol. What with Philth ill he becomes the new alpha thug in the square Im guessing. Did Jack turn his back on Max?
I guess soap cops and law will be the usual fantasy brainless keystone cop variety, Bob will be sent off for a nice holiday in a soft unit and Jane will get a suspended the rest will probably get nowt allowing Max to come after them.
I still really dont like the actor who plays martin, dont know why, its illogical but then that sums me up.
So old clicky shoes Max will be back with a list of people to get even with including Abi and Carol. What with Philth ill he becomes the new alpha thug in the square Im guessing. Did Jack turn his back on Max?
I guess soap cops and law will be the usual fantasy brainless keystone cop variety, Bob will be sent off for a nice holiday in a soft unit and Jane will get a suspended the rest will probably get nowt allowing Max to come after them.
I still really dont like the actor who plays martin, dont know why, its illogical but then that sums me up.
Has Gavin left then? Or will he be returning at some point to claim his Empror of Evil title?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Is this one of the "loose ends" DTC has left?
keeble should be arresting most of square
I've no idea! He'll probably return long enough to menace someone and get his hands on a wad of cash next time Paul Nicholas has a few days going spare... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I'd say it's likely given there are no spoilers about Gavin's imminent return floating about. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
everyone is still against max even abi and jack
I think it could be their guilt that makes them not want to face the truth..
ben all threatening to stacey and now phil wants sharon to sort stacey
Keeble had her mind made up before she'd even spoken to Bobby. Wrongful conviction would look bad on her service record together with a sloppy investigation and bias. Abi true to form . Let's hope Stacey will contact Lauren or Carol. Martin needs to find out about Ben threatening Stacey, and mark his card. Looks as though the penny has dropped for the Cokers about Babe.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Good episode, Bobby's character so well acted again by the young man. Fingers crossed for further progress.:thumbsup:
bobby confessing to everything is delightful and yes the young actor is doing an amazing job
Feeble sorry I mean Keeble just wanted to save herself the ignominy of having sent an innocent man to prison.
Umm did the arresting Officer have a note to be out of school arresting killers?
Jaxk is on Maxs hit list then, as for Abi, its all going south for her, she ratted out Max to save her love Ben only for the git to not only dump her but humiliate her in public, no wonder she is in deep deep denial.
As for Kathy and her whining about the boy is good at heart blah blah.. shush women :moonie:
See. Told you. Every time when it looks like Bobby is about to get his comeuppance and everything is about to be concluded, something else happens and we all go right back to the beginning.
Yes, it really is getting beyond a joke. Even salt of the earth, Mick Carter, seems as though he is prepared to let Max stay in jail even though he knows the truth. "Shut up, Denny!"Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I think she needs sacking for the dismissal of Bobby's confession.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
lee was even questioned you'd think mick would speak up instead of shutting denny upQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
stacey needs to keep digging
That's not true this time though. Now Bobby's admitted the existence of the jewellery box, the police will be forced to investigate it (and police who have no agenda at that) and find forensic evidence. Even if forensics find nothing to tie Bobby to Lucy's death, his knowledge of it speaks volumes. It's all snowballing.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Now I realise some will say he'll still get off, but we knowGranted there will still be twists and turns, but I just don't see how Bobby's escaping justice this time. He certainly won't for Jane's attack. The only way would be for him to go on the run.Spoiler:
This is all different than before and feels like the beginning of the end to me, especially since we knowSpoiler:
I hope so. God I hope so, as this story's gone on waaaay too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Agreed, It has gone on faaaaaar toooo looong.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
But we were reminded that he's now only 12, so only 11 (or maybe 10) when he killed Lucy.
It wasn't pre-meditated, and viewers have been led to believe he didn't really know he'd done it for some time. If it was one thump and she was dead .. then that's a fight between siblings that's just got a horrid ending. The cover up is the shocking thing. And the extent of it. Which I think we've all said by now half the square are complicit in the cover up.
But the attack on Jane was a vicious attack - by a 12 year old with untreated anger issues - he has to be punished.
I don't even believe they were talking about bail. He's just bludgeoned his mother nearly to death with a hockey stick!
the police need to ask why he'd changed his clothes, take some statements from people in the pub and then look for this jewellery box.
He needs treatment for his anger and rage.
How sorry are we supposed to feel for Jane? Has she bought it on herself by having covered up Lucy's death?
Stacey is probably the sanest person on the square at the moment! :)
Plus, if Bobby does have that IED, then there's a chance he may get off because technically speaking he can't be held responsible for having a mental condition that he never got treatment for. He would most likely be sentenced to a psychiatric place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
Tbh, I can't feel all that sorry for Jane or Ian. Like you said, she deluded herself into thinking nothing was wrong with Bobby when it was clear that there was something mentally wrong with him. She covered Lucy's death, got someone innocent convicted for her murder, and basically just kept spoiling him and not getting him treatment.
Ironic that the girl with bipolar and who recently spent time getting psychiatric treatment herself is now the sanest person in the square.
I think in some ways the attack on Lucy was worse than the one on Jane. She was sitting down writing a note at the time and hadn't been interacting with Bobby beforehand. In no way could it be said he was provoked or flew into an uncontrollable rage at the time he killed Lucy (I still don't think that's what happened with Jane either mind). No matter what he or Jane say about that night, it was a cold blooded attack and not just a fight between siblings.
I agree he'll probably end up in psychiatric care rather than juvie, although if his problem is psychopathy (and his eerie calmness since Jane's attack backs this up for me), there is no treatment. It's a personality type not a mental illness: the type of person who believes they have the right to hurt those that displease or anger them and who feel little to no remorse or empathy (which I think describes Bobby to a tee). Martin said Bobby's wired wrong, which I believe represents the writers feelings.
I know some of you have complained about the community's reaction to Bobby's announcement, but I find it one of the more believable aspects of this tale. Even Abi and Jack believe Max capable of Lucy's murder, so when a young boy who looks like butter wouldn't melt and who - to the best of their knowledge - has no history of behavioural problems coolly announces he killed his sister, why would they believe it to be him rather than the man they had no qualms accepting was a killer? They're obviously shocked about Jane but they don't know all the facts and probably believe it was an accident at the moment (as, confusingly, even Kathy still appears to believe :wall:).
Mick and Linda have only just found out the truth. How they'll react when they've got over the shock will be interesting. I don't expect they'd keep quiet in the long run; I'd definitely find that unrealistic! :D
The worst part for me is that, despite admitting Bobby is not a good person, Ian (and the rest of the family) still want to protect Bobby. At least Sharon appears to me be be protecting herself and Phil rather than the demon child.
I wonder will Martin protect Bobby and lie to Stacey or tell her the truth, I hope he does tell Stacey, wasn't his dad Arthur wrongfully imprisoned which lead to his depression and suicide?
Jack is a ex copper, you would think he would be some what suspicious
I think Keeble and Bryant are so against Max over SummerHayes who went willing with him
Mick and Linda now know they can't stay quite, so many protecting Bobby is ludicrous :angry:
I think in some ways Bobby is relieved to be able to be honest
Elliot Carrington is doing a great job as Bobby
Not to mention the fact that Max is his own brother. You'd think he would have at least tried to find out the truth and confirm that his brother was guilty or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I can't remember. I know Lauren went to that one cop who wouldn't listen, and basically said that he wanted Max to be in jail to pay for his crime. That pretty much confirmed for me that he was more interested in locking up Max instead of getting the truth.
Do Mick and Linda know about Bobby? There's been so many that I've lost count.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I'm guessing that even Bobby must have finally realised that he has a problem when he attacked Jane, which is why he finally admitted the truth.
How has Bobby still got the jewellery box or know where it is?
This is perhaps the crucial bit to it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
What did Ian and Jane hide under the floor for a while? Was that just Lucy's phone?
Was it the phone that Jane hide and Jay buried her wallet in Square to protect BenQuote:
Originally Posted by Rear window