Parenting classes won't do any good as you aren't allowed to shout or raise your voice to a child anymore (my friend went to one and was told she wasn't allowed to use negative terms, like naughty etc, as it would give her 3 year old a complex!!)
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Parenting classes won't do any good as you aren't allowed to shout or raise your voice to a child anymore (my friend went to one and was told she wasn't allowed to use negative terms, like naughty etc, as it would give her 3 year old a complex!!)
it's a hard one to call and no easy answers really
but kids under 16 should be at home studying or getting early nights for school, not faffing around on the streets at that time of night
then again why should there be a curfew? it's not fair on those that do behave themselves. parents should be looking after their kids and knowing where their children are and what they're getting up to. and there should be more police patrolling the streets to move on gangs of yobs, and to stop any violent incidents
all in all, this country has gone to the dogs
that makes me laugh cause a very successfull Jo Frost our very own supernanny does say NO and Can't and she had been doing this for 20 years or more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
im not really sure if there should be a curfew or not, cos 1) im not even sure it would help, and 2) it would be unfair on the kids who dont do anything wrong and they would probably be the only ones who stuck by it anyway
i think though some parents need to be told what their kids can and cant do cos they arent responsible enough to do it themselves. if parents were bringing up their children properly in the first place then not as many kids would be roaming the streets and knifing peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Abigail
exactly, parents should be responsible for it but as they dont care other people need to decide what kids should be doing instead. i like your idea on fining the parents. i think if there was a curfew it would only work if the police patrolled the streets and took kids home if they were outQuote:
Originally Posted by Chloe O'brien
i think that is part of the reason why there are so many problem kids around now. not only do loads of parents dont care what there kids are doing, a large amount of the ones that do care dont give their kids any discipline so the kids think they can do what they want and get away with it. if the government want to tackle the problem, i think not only do they need to stop kids being on the streets or whatever, they also need to allow parents to punish their children again when they do things wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
with rules/laws like this though, its always the good kids which miss out/get punished and the bad kids always seem to get away with it anyway. the only thing about police patrolling the streets and moving yobs on is that if the gang have a knife which is probable as thats where all the trouble is coming from, then police telling the kids isnt really going to help, its more likely that the policeman will get stabbed for confronting them. i dont think theres any way to win reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan
Tell me about it. Needless to say, my friend is having awful problems with her daughter (and she's only 4!) Her 6 yr old son isn't much better and there seem to be no boundaries, nor any respect. Funniest thing, is when I get face to face with her daughter and speak to her about it, she's all apologetic about what's shes done and behaves for a few days after, cos of the threat of me sorting her out (not sure whether thats a good thing or bad :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhanthat makes me laugh cause a very successfull Jo Frost our very own supernanny does say NO and Can't and she had been doing this for 20 years or more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
You are spot on there Di M - plus, it doesn't matter what the police say or do to some of these children, because they don't care or have any respect, they just return to exactly the same spot 5 mins later, or, as you said, I've known of one to be stabbed with a broken bottle in the stomach. Luckily he had his stab vest on, but I remember when they didn't need to wear such defensive items. I remember when I used to freeze to the spot when I saw a police officer, and still do now!Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcowith rules/laws like this though, its always the good kids which miss out/get punished and the bad kids always seem to get away with it anyway. the only thing about police patrolling the streets and moving yobs on is that if the gang have a knife which is probable as thats where all the trouble is coming from, then police telling the kids isnt really going to help, its more likely that the policeman will get stabbed for confronting them. i dont think theres any way to win reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan
that sounds exactly like my little cousin. shes 8 and my auntie lets her do what she likes, when shes naughty my auntie just says "dont do that, its not nice" in a really nice voice to her! :rolleyes: shes always good for me and my sis and my mum though, cos my mum tells her off like she used to with us, if shes naughty she shouts at her. she managed to spend a weekend with me and my sis down at my house at uni over easter and she was quite well behaved. the few times she was naughty i just told her off or ignored her and it worked. she moaned about walking somewhere so i told her if she didnt speed up id leave her behind and started to walk off, she soon caught up! and i told her she didnt need sugar on her cereal and that i didnt have any (i actually didnt) and she ate it. and she ate her fruit too cos i told her she couldnt have icecream if she didnt. at home she would have carried on misbehaving and my auntie would have given in and let her have her own way. luckily she isnt as naughty as some kids i know, and its not often that she hits/kicks people, but if she was a really horrible kid i could see her turning into one of these yobs cos my auntie doesnt teach her how to behave, and im guessing thats how all these other kids have been brought up tooQuote:
Originally Posted by JojoTell me about it. Needless to say, my friend is having awful problems with her daughter (and she's only 4!) Her 6 yr old son isn't much better and there seem to be no boundaries, nor any respect. Funniest thing, is when I get face to face with her daughter and speak to her about it, she's all apologetic about what's shes done and behaves for a few days after, cos of the threat of me sorting her out (not sure whether thats a good thing or bad :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhanthat makes me laugh cause a very successfull Jo Frost our very own supernanny does say NO and Can't and she had been doing this for 20 years or more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
its sad really, cos as a policeman you shouldnt be scared of doing your job incase some kids decide they wanna stab you for telling them to stop hanging around/drinking etc. but as you say nowadays these kids dont care or repsect anyone else. when my mum was younger her and her friends were taken home in a police car for chalking on a wall! my mum was terrified cos she knew she would be in trouble, and she said she never did it again! and that was only chalking on a wall! i know its vandalism but it was only chalk, nowadays kids do far worse and if they were taken home in a police car/got cautioned etc i doubt it would stop them doing it againQuote:
Originally Posted by JojoYou are spot on there Di M - plus, it doesn't matter what the police say or do to some of these children, because they don't care or have any respect, they just return to exactly the same spot 5 mins later, or, as you said, I've known of one to be stabbed with a broken bottle in the stomach. Luckily he had his stab vest on, but I remember when they didn't need to wear such defensive items. I remember when I used to freeze to the spot when I saw a police officer, and still do now!Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcowith rules/laws like this though, its always the good kids which miss out/get punished and the bad kids always seem to get away with it anyway. the only thing about police patrolling the streets and moving yobs on is that if the gang have a knife which is probable as thats where all the trouble is coming from, then police telling the kids isnt really going to help, its more likely that the policeman will get stabbed for confronting them. i dont think theres any way to win reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan
maybe it is a generations thing but I would never have been rude to a policeman ever. They were to be respected.. I feel a lot of kids today have a "don't tell me what to do" attitude and have a lot more rights then We did... You can't smack a child anymore, can't say NO to them.. basically they can do what they want cause the law is fully on their side.
Maybe I am stricter on my kids but Charley is in bed at 8'o clock on a school night and 9 at weekends.. she complains that her friends stay up way later but I don't give in
when i have kids im gonna bring them up how i was brought up, it never did me any harm to be smacked, not allowed to watch the tv, have toys taken away, be sent to my room etc. i think the law has gone too far with the whole not being allowed to smack kids and people being told theyre not allowed to tell their kids off when theyre naughty. i think its only really got this bad in the last about 10 - 15yrs and i think thats the reason kids today act how they doQuote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
Erm, WTF? What is this country coming to? The parents should be responsible for their children's behaviour. It couldn't even be enforced, without introducing ID cards and stuff, even then they can be faked. If people want to commit crimes, they will. Whether it's at night or inthe day it's still going to happen!