at time of lucy's dead mick made of point of his daughter being same age and didn't want a murderer on square around her now he knows ian knows the real killer what will he do they cant just drop the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
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at time of lucy's dead mick made of point of his daughter being same age and didn't want a murderer on square around her now he knows ian knows the real killer what will he do they cant just drop the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Don't know whether D.I Keeble will do a great deal ,not on past performance. Denise may be the one to start shaking things up. The only couple of comments I would make about the plot is, I think it went on far too long with the result that silly side issues were included i.e Billy keeping pics of Lucy and then writers trying to justify that red herring how they did. Finally I think the creation of that so called shortlist of suspects well out of order , in the knowledge that Bobby was the killer. I understand that he couldn't be included ,would be too obvious he was involved . Far better not to have had the list.
When and how did Emma realise Lucy was killed at home by her own jewellery box?Quote:
Originally Posted by vcdg84
There is a lot of loss ends (DTC and the writers to address better imo) and I don't think Ian can tell Keeble and the police to drop the case
Lauren knows Lucy was killed at home so she must suspect one of Lucy's own family
Stacey knows Lauren knows, Mick now knows Ian knows, Abi and Max know Lauren knows something too about Lucy's death
My biggest fear is that they are just going to fudge over all this and no-one outside the Beales will mention Lucy's murder again. We'll see....
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Originally Posted by parkerman
Spoiler:
^ Could be Billy, his photos found at last with the missing mail :p
Mick's a very different person to who he was when Lucy was murdered. Something big has happened (or will happen shortly) with Dean, Linda's pregnant (possibly with Dean's baby), he's just getting used to Shirley being his mum and Stan's dying. I think his priorities are different nowadays but that doesn't mean he won't ask Ian about it at some point. Ian'd better have an excuse prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I like your idea of Denise being on the case. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
Yeah the Billy thing was nonsense and out of character. :wall:
To be fair to DTC he did say in at least one interview that viewers would be misled. He even used the word "gimmick", so we were warned that we'd be deceived. You're not the only one who's miffed about it though Glen - some people have even made official complaints to the BBC and Ofcom!! :eek:
It was explained during Friday's live episode how Emma knew Lucy was killed at home (though I still think it unlikely that nice but dim Emma would have put all the pieces together lol), and it seems likely that Bobby left the music box under the Christmas tree (I've no idea why) so Emma probably didn't know anything about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Ian would be silly to do that as it'd immediately make them suspicious of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I'm glad to see from Tammy's spoiler that this isn't going to happen, but there's no doubt the case will die a death sooner or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
if it were peter who ian side with thenQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
if it were peter who ian side with thenQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Emma is suppose to have guessed Lucy was killed at home from Patrick's fall, how is that exactly?
I'm not sure exactly, it seems she just connected the dots. Max had told here there was a light on downstairs which contradicted the witness statements, so Emma realised something had happened at the house that hadn't been accounted for.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Emma didn't come across all that smart to me, she did after all fall for a suspect in Max
I think EE needs to address how Emma discovered Lucy was killed at home by Jane with the jewellery box
I know I sound like a broken record over this but it peeves me off that a genuine decent explanation has not been provided and also if Bobby bought the jewellery box back from the charity shop for baby Beth as a present, which is twisted and cruel by the little killer even though according to DTC, Bobby don't think he killed her, he may have said "I got Lucy's box back the one I used to hit her with in our fight before she was killed but she did start it"
So much of this storyline don't make sense the more I think about it now after the reveal maybe I should stop :p:o
I agree, I commented on Emma's dimness (can't remember which thread) earlier today. All I can say is she was a trained police officer and she had evidence the police didn't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I don't think Emma knew about the jewellery box. That's certainly never been stated to my knowledge. I speculated that she'd put it under the tree to provoke a reaction but there's no proof of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
The only thing we know for certain is that she knew Lucy was killed at home (which has been explained) and that she suspected Jane (which has also been explained).
Bobby probably is twisted and cruel. He may not have intended Lucy's death but he hit her hard over the head during an argument, which isn't normal behaviour by any standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Bobby appears to have felt genuine sadness at Lucy's death (he ran away to sleep where her body was found) and, if he truly doesn't realise he killed her, he won't have connected the box with Lucy's death. If he did put the box under the Christmas tree he may have thought he was being nice in his own twisted way. :searchme:
This is all speculation on my part though as I'm not 100% sure Bobby did put the box under the tree.
There may be more details to come out yet. I hope there are.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
she did have a light bulb moment then did she think lucy fell at home like patrickQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Yes, I think that's what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
But the post mortem revealed Lucy was killed by a blow to the head nothing about a fall so it was a big jump and conclusion for Emma to make imoQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Maybe it was just the "at home" bit that connected some dots for Emma.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I was thinking that a way to conveniently get the police case dropped once and for all would be to have a not-so-innocent blamed for Lucy's death. Maybe when the "innocent" is arrested Ian persuades Dot to say that Nick did it. Perhaps by keeping the Beale family out of it and stopping an innocent person going to jail Dot would feel she'd atoned somewhat for Nick's death. Of course, Ian would have to confide the truth for Dot for this to happen.
Dean's another possibility if he's dead (or soon to be dead), especially as Mick knows Ian's aware who the killer is.
kim's man is called vincent too
Weakest duff duff in a long time. Danny and Kellie must have them written into their contracts :wall:
I would like to see how Emma connected the dots from thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I hope Lauren goes with Peter to New Zealand, I want a happy ending for them
I don't think Dean is dead
Massod seems very worried and caring for Jane, does he know what Bobby did, could he have helped?
I don't think Ian will manage to keep quite he is struggling already and how lucky Keeble is scaling back the investigation into Lucy's murder
I know I had a hissy fit last week when they brought Kathy back form the dead and I said I would never watch again. What can I say, I have calmed down, I am chilled and I am fickle. I cannot give up on Albert Square, I still love this show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
A good start to the week. Nice to get back to normal, but good follow on scenes. Kim and Denise's scenes were good and I thought the opening scene was very well done. However the duff duff was a little weak.
is cindy not way too young to stay home alone
Cindy is 16. Seems old enough to me. She's even old enough to have a baby...er....
I think Richard Blackwood's character saw Kim already unless he pretended he didn't know herQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Cindy has her GCSE's this year. She must have missed a fair bit of school due to the pregnancy/birth, so probably for the best that she doesn't go with. Perhaps more unrealistic is the fact Bobby is allowed time off school. Should Ian not end up with a fine or something?
a baby don't make her mature and oldQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
a baby don't make her mature and oldQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
No, but 16 is hardly "way too young" to stay home alone.
mind you at 16 my biggest dilema was 'Jackie' or 'J17' with my pocket money!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
does bobby know he killed lucy
No, he doesn't. He suspects, but both Jane and Peter have now told him that he didn't.
I'm getting to the point that I would pay to keep the Carters off of the screen :wall:
I know I got this wrong with Eva in Corrie because she wasn't going to America after all, but the same problem applies to Lauren going to live in New Zealand. She would need to apply for a visa.....
Jason bought the ticket for New York, I presume he would have sorted visa at the same time ... when I went to the States, some years ago now though, the visa was for a year ....
Is a visa needed even for a holiday?
Peter and Lauren are going to NZ long term, a nice happy exit for them, I sure they will return one day with baby Branning Beale :p
I am glad Peter told Lauren the truth of how Lucy died
Poor Abi, Ben admits he still likes guys and still she will make their relationship work she loves him, she really wants to be loved and needed
No a visa isn't needed for a holiday. But they are going out there long term, not just for a holiday. For that they would need a visa.
This episode was a game of two halves. The Scenes with the Beales and Lauren and Peter were good but the Carter scenes did not hold my interest and I did get a little bored. I never thought I would tire of the Carters as I have been one of their biggest cheer leaders but tonight I did. I thought the ending was good.
It did make me smile for saying Lauren is going to New Zealand she did not have much luggage. Abby had more and she was only moving down the square. :)
What!! :p They the reason I started watching EastEnders again, having not watched it for a good few years, they've brought a bit of life back into it. Although there is the danger of over using them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
It was with some trepidation that I settled down to watch both of this week's episodes last night. I was very concerned how the aftermath of the anniversary week would be handled, but I shouldn't have been as it was very well done. :)
I guess the couple of scenes that directly referenced Bobby being the killer were filmed since Friday. I was right that Bobby's old enough to put two and two together about Lucy's death but he seems to have believed what Peter said (for now).
Nice to see Peter and Lauren (and bubs) get a happy ending.
I wasn't sure from Mick's reaction whether Dean was dead or alive but since Nancy told Linda she thinks he's dead, I'm certain now that he's still alive.
I'm glad about that. At least you're got a sense of humour about it. I particularly liked what you said about needing your own duff duffs! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
He saw Kim and the baby getting into the ambulance but turned away quickly. It was obvious he knew her.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Has anyone realised that Kim's baby, Pearl, has been named after the 30th anniversary? I didn't think of that myself though, unfortunately. I saw someone mention it elsehwere.
I agree, I love the Carters too. They've been on screen an awful lot during their first year but isn't that always the same for the family that runs the Vic? I find them very watchable (except for the slimy Dean).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
kinda feel the same now about carters too used way too much
I felt sorry for both Abi and Ben (never thought I'd say that!) during the scene where he confessed he's still attracted to men. He genuinely cares for her and tried to finish the relationship. She's so desperate for love she'll stay in a relationship with a gay man. It's quite a sad situation really.