I don't like this storyline of Billy lusting after Lucy
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I don't like this storyline of Billy lusting after Lucy
I manage to watch EE only sporadic these days ... Billy has never struck me as pervy, where would this sudden change of character come from?
That's why I called it a plot device as there appears to be no explanation for his behaviour other than it made him a suspect. If there's a genuine story behind it I can't wait to hear it. We may be reading it all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
What a hugely emotional rollercoaster. The Beale's were brilliant, such long and intense scenes to do live. I'm amazed.
And Dean's dead! What's Mick done with the body?
What a twist to have that celebratory ending after all the emotion. Thoroughly enjoyable and lots of lovely touches such as showing Arthur's bench and the Tony and Julie graffiti.
Well done EE!! :cheer: :cheer:
Missed start of tonight's episode ... Dean is dead??? Guess it would fit the unexpected we were told would happen ... yeah, I like the idea that he is dead :o
Yeah Dean's definitely dead. Good riddance! :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
Mick's going to be a darker character from now on I think. The conversation he had with Ian in yesterday's episode about how killing someone would affect a person was foreshadowing of that.
Edit: I'm starting to question whether Dean's permanently dead since writing the above. We didn't see his lifeless body close up so and Mick didn't confirm that Dean's dead so I'm starting to wonder now.
did mick do off with dean? Sorry wasn't a fan of tonight though the acting was great
Did Mick do off with Dean?? Any chance of a translation into English? :)
Yes, it seems Mick did do off with Dean (but never say never).
It's a shame you didn't enjoy it Liz. :(
I think the episode's got a resounding thumbs up from most going by social media etc. People even seem to be coming around to Bobby as the killer! I'm glad it was made crystal clear that he hit Lucy deliberately.
I can understand Peter's point of view and why he's so angry. Ian realised in the end he would have reacted the same way Jane did.
I'm questioning whether Jane could really have moved the body on her own. Jane is tall and Lucy was very slight so they may just get away with that but she'd have struggled like hell and left evidence in reality.
First off wow, for a live episode that was great, the acting top notch especially from Adam, Laurie and Ben
I cant see Peter staying around with any of his family now could be why he leaves
I am confused did Dean move himself or did Mick move him and he is dead?
Also I was expecting Cindy to have helped Jane move Lucy, also was it Bobby who gave Beth the jewellery box and not Emma as was suspected?
I still cant see how Emma and Ian realised it was Jane still :o I am glad Ian twigged it wasn't Jane that she was covering for Bobby, also how did he :searchme:
Lucy Lou's note to her dad Ian was lovely (nice touch Lucy is called after Lou Beale)
I think I have more questions again now but well done Eastenders #EELive has got everyone taking about the show
Adam Woodyatt , to sustain that emotional intensity throughout a live tv performance , very special. Top drawer performance from the cast. All round what a week for EE. Looks like there should be good viewing to come. The Bobby Beale story appears set to continue into the future...:cheer:
We're being led to believe Dean's dead by Mick's reaction (and that's what I thought at first) but now I'm beginning to question that assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
The Beale's assumed that was the case but there's no proof at the moment. If Bobby did it he must know he killed Lucy - and let's face it he must be pretty stupid not to have put it all together (something I don't think he is). Kids of that age always take in far more than their parents realise. He appeared completely remorseless in the scene with Masood!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I think the main piece of evidence was that Jane's car wasn't where she said it was (Emma realised that from the video). It was all explained but I can't remember the details now.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Ian knows Jane very well and realised she was lying.
I'm so glad for the EE team that the anniversary's been such a success! :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Bobby just watching tv so normal with Massod despite being a little killer
What an outstanding performance from Adam woodyatt!! They were all great but he should definitely win best actor. I was fully against Bobby as the killer yesterday but think it wasn't such a bad idea after tonight's episode. The evidence Jane gave for emma was her car wasn't in the right place, the light was on in the house which didn't match the witness statement and Patrick falling in the Vic made her think Lucy fell and died at home. Well done EE ��
What an outstanding performance from Adam woodyatt!! They were all great but he should definitely win best actor. I was fully against Bobby as the killer yesterday but think it wasn't such a bad idea after tonight's episode. The evidence Jane gave for emma was her car wasn't in the right place, the light was on in the house which didn't match the witness statement and Patrick falling in the Vic made her think Lucy fell and died at home. Well done EE 😊
Agree Tammy and Dazzle , the explanation was skated over fairly rapidly, more time spent on whether Jane should have turned left or right at the junction when transporting the body.
Total speculation re Dean, whilst being interviewed in the after show event got the feeling might not be over yet..:hmm:
But Lucy did not die from a fall, she died from a blow to the back of her head from a 10 year old boy with a jewellery box :pQuote:
Originally Posted by vcdg84
I understand Jane's car being missing but Jane wasn't a suspect ever by Emma or Keeble
They were all suspects. The police always look at family first in cases like this because murders are usually carried out by someone close to the victim. Jane, like the rest of the family, probably would have been interviewed intensively even though we were never shown that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
That scene was totally unnecessary so I'm sure it was put in to show how unaffected Bobby is by Lucy's death.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I was just repeating what was said in the episode I wasn't suggesting she died from a fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I think Emma thought it was Jane when she met her at new year.....
I was just repeating what was said in the episode I wasn't suggesting she died from a fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I think Emma thought it was Jane when she met her at new year.....
Yes, Emma suspected Jane killed Lucy and Jane "confessed" that it was indeed her (which is why she was expecting an imminent visit from the police when Emma died). Jane didn't reveal Bobby's involvement to Emma, which is what I thought had happened (not that I knew she was covering for Bobby of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by vcdg84
I think i should have the duff duffs. It is sad because dtc has done great things to turn the show around, only to drop a huge spanner into the equation with this Kathy business. if you loose creditability it is a slippery slope sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
He hasn't lost credibility with the majority of fans though as you've no doubt seen on other sites and social media. Yes, a lot of people complained about the Lucy reveal yesterday but there's been a huge about-turn after tonight's episode. The majority of fans can see the dramatic future potential for the Beales that will ripple from Bobby killing Lucy, and tonight's amazing live episode was a huge pay-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
As for Kathy, most fans are delighted she's back and can't wait to see her again. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy to see how it pans out before making any judgements. I know I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when she appeared on Thursday and that sense of shock was a very enjoyable experience! :D
DTC has been responsible for the highest ratings in years and excited fans have broken Twitter records. He's actually gained massive credibility.
Time will tell if choosing Bobby as the killer and raising Kathy from the dead will be considered successful storylines in the long-term, but I think any failures are going to be too late to tarnish DTC now. After all, most fans now agree that Stacey was a bad choice for Archie's killer but that hasn't tarnished Diederick Santer's reputation one bit.
And no-one's mentioned that Winston got to kiss Sonia in the pub - probably the most important part of the whole episode.:thumbsup::D
I don't know why they had to go down that route with Billy and the photos. It'll probably be forgotten like Billy stealing the post, because he's no pervert. He wouldn't do something like that with his and Julie's backstories in the care home. Rather than the fish, they should have had him and Lucy rowing over the fact that she'd agreed to go into business with him and then used him to get the contacts from Butcher's Joints before giving him the elbow for Lauren.
You are right a lot of the fans are happy, I think it is perhaps the older fans like myself who have watched from day one who are disgruntled. I don't have a problem with Bobby being the killer (that was a master stroke in my opinion) and thought the flash back episode was superb and a real jaw dropping ending, very clever. The full live episode was outstanding and really showed Adam's talents to the full. All the Beales were superb. The whole anniversary week has been a great success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
If I am being picky and I had been EP, I would have ended the live epsiode with Julia's theme and the photo's on the side board, the fireworks broke the moment slightly. A lovely touch showing the heart carved of Tony and Julia. The episode still deserved a 10/10.
I still stand by what I said. I know we don't know the outcome of Kathy's return, but it wasn't needed. If that had not been in the episode you would not have missed it. That is why I am hopping mad. DTC has saved EastEnders and brought it back from the brink, he is a very good EP. EastEnders is not Hollyoaks and DTC is not Bryan Kirkwood, well not yet.
Just caught the live show from last night on YouTube and I admit I cried. Adam's performance was outstanding and the rest of the cast did an amazing job. Completely forgot it was 100% live it was that good.
I personally I think this was better than the last time as they did a second show the day after the reveal that was live and explained a lot more than when Stacey killed archie. The shows after that were prerecorded so we had to wait a few weeks for the explanation (max and Stacey episode ). There was immediate closure on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I see you haven't stated your opinion on the anniversary week episodes Parkerman (except to give your approval of Winston's scenes :D). Can I take it from your silence that you weren't impressed? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It looks like we agree more than we disagree. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
I don't know about there being an age split as I'm an older fan who's been there from day one (except for 18 months) and I've seen plenty of positive comments from people I know are older too. Surely younger fans wouldn't be that interested in Kathy one way or another?
I couldn't agree more about DTC being EE's saviour. I didn't watch the soap for about 18 months before he took over because I'd had enough. This is the only time I haven't watched EE since it started and was down to the poor quality. I literally couldn't bear to watch it any longer. I went back to it (with quite a lot of trepidation) about 2 weeks after the Carters arrived as I was hearing such good things, and I haven't been tempted to stop watching again since.
So DTC literally saved EE for this long term viewer. I don't like every single thing he's done (Alfie's become unbearable for instance) but there's enough good stuff to keep me coming back and I've felt the live week was an absolute triumph (in case I haven't made that clear enough :o).
Can I take it you've changed your mind and will be continuing to watch EE after all? I do hope so! :)
I agree, a lot of thought went into planning this time around so we weren't left hanging for weeks. It was extremely well done all round. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
I'm sorry. I couldn't get over seeing my hero again. I thought he'd disappeared for ever. It was a great touch by DTC to bring him back and feature him in so many scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
The rest was ok. Some good scripting and acting and knocked spots off Corrie at the moment. I agree that Adam's performance in the live episode was a tour-de-force. In truth I think he outshone everyone else. I think it was a bit of a shame that Bobby being revealed as the killer was not a great surprise thanks to social media. I'm afraid it didn't really have the shock value it should have done for me. As a plot device it was a good idea and what happens next with his development will be very interesting.
The thing I am still not sure about with this though is what happens now with the investigation. Are the police just going to forget it? Are the Branning Family just going to drop the whole thing? Ian told Mick he knew who killed Lucy, is he just going to forget it? Sharon has been a life long friend of Ian; will she just forget it and never raise it again. Stacey also thinks Lauren knows who did it, won't she pursue it? I still need to see how all this is going to resolve itself.
I'm also very unhappy about bringing Kathy back. It just happens too often in Soaps. Finding a way to bring someone back from the dead or getting them out of prison because the actor and producer thinks it would be nice to be back. Sorry, don't like that. Reg Cox will be next....or will it be Dean?
he wanted cake that is allQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
he wanted cake that is allQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Thanks for your detailed reply Parkerman. :)
It's a shame the speculation spoiled the surprise for you. I'm lucky because I just didn't give any credence to the rumours so I was shocked to the core when he was revealed as the killer, especially given his whole demon-child demeanour lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
My take on the above: I assume the investigation will stall and die a death. It'll remain open officially so it could be revisited in the future. Mick's got enough on his plate - he didn't even ask Ian who the killer was so I doubt if he'll cause any problems. Max told Abi or Lauren that he'd deal with Stacey (I'm assuming he means that he'll convince her Lauren got it wrong). Peter might change his mind and go along with the secret and could probably convince Lauren to drop it. I don't think Sharon's going to keep bringing it up for fear of saddening Ian.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
So it's likely to become just another unsolved mystery that people still wonder about from time to time (until the secret comes out one day).
*shudder* I hope that Dean dies once and for all very soon. :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It's a shame the Kathy reveal's spoiled things for you and others. :(
Fans have been calling for her return for years as it was generally agreed to have been a huge mistake to kill her off by a short-sighted producer. (The same goes for Pat but there's no way she can be brought back as we actually saw her dead body.)
I'm willing to suspend my disbelief if the storyline's credible because I think she'll be a great addition to the current Beale family and will cause untold aggro for Phil (always a good thing in my book :D).
i don't like jane's explanation for moving the body to common woods and max was seen going over to beale house in flashback did he not as jane said emma told her he saw a light on house
did he kill himQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Jane's covering for someone who helped her move the body. It's probably not Cindy as she seemed genuinely surprised by events. Max is a possibility as it was left open whether he entered the house or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Jane's description of carrying Lucy's body like a child didn't ring true at all, as carrying a dead body (even a girl of Lucy's size) in that way would have been nigh on impossible for anyone but a very strong man. There's also the strange discrepancy of putting the body in the boot if she was initially heading for the hospital.
I think more details will emerge in the weeks and months to come.
As an aside, did anyone else notice that Mick appeared to smother a laugh at one point (when Linda proposed). I don't think that could have been in the script, although I haven't seen anyone else mention it as an error.
You'd be surprised what a person can lift when stressed and with high amounts of adrenaline running through you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
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That's a very good point so I can't discount that Jane was telling the truth about the way she moved Lucy's body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
My thinking stems from the fact that I read a lot of crime fiction and moving the body's always a big deal in those stories.
abi attacking lucy not wanting her as a step mother also was strange max has form with younger women does she remember stacey who max loved