Yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
Number 23 has been converted between a house and a flat several times though. It was flats when Reg lived there and he was killed (by Nick) in the upstairs one.
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Yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
Number 23 has been converted between a house and a flat several times though. It was flats when Reg lived there and he was killed (by Nick) in the upstairs one.
Looked fire damaged , might also be a clue to the "explosive" way Nick meets his maker. Four weeks seems a long time for him to remain hidden there. No money no choice rule applies for him I reckon.
dot really don't care phil is in jail and is innocent that isn't very christian of dot, very unlike her
Yeah and I don't like the fact she has once again, as far as we know, gone crawling back to Nick. What must he do to make her turn her back on him completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
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I really am in shock as Dot's behaviour with Nick what else must he do now for her to serve all ties with him, attack or attempt to murder Fatboy
Shirley keeps saying Dean is her son she must stand by him but so is Mick
I hope Linda got through to Shirley somehow so she may doubt Dean now I do think perhaps deep down she knows he is messed up he may have done it
Linda and Mick need to tell Lee and Nancy the truth fast as you Nancy is thinking affair
I cant believe Tina asked Linda was the story of the rape true, she is doubting her now too and Stan being an old man so old fashioned in his views believes Dean his grandson
I am liking this take control Sharon proving she is a Mitchell :p I don't know how Phil will get put given Yvonne is awol and Nick in hiding and everyone wants to protect Dot
As far as the Phil storyline goes, I still can't get over the fact that he is suddenly broke. He has three businesses (well, did have till Ben signed one over to Max) and is always show to be rolling in money. How come he is suddenly broke?
Ronnie took a fair chuck of his cash to pay Nick but yes he has the club (if still open), Sharon's pub, the house and the garage (which is now Max's), has he loans or mortgages on the house and businesses?Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
The cash Ronnie took was over and above what Phil makes out of his businesses. It was part of the money Archie left to Roxy. That was just extras.
Is Sharon and Marcus still taking chucks he don't know about :pQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
If I were Linda I couldn't stand to be in the same house as Stan knowing he believes her a liar. He'd have to go, dying or not I'm afraid. I think Tina's confused about what to believe because of Shirley's poison, but I think she'll believe Linda when she hears her side.
Shabnam's comments about running to lose weight and her alluding to having known a certain type of man were interesting. :hmm:
I didn't get the impression Dot doesn't care about Phil. Sharon's assured her she can get him out without the Cottons being involved. We don't know Dot's motivation yet but I'd be astonished if she was putting Nick first given what he's done.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Me too. I love strong and feisty Sharon.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I think Ronnie took all of Phil's ready cash and the rest is tied up. We don't know for a fact that the money in the safe was Roxy's - that could be long gone. Didn't Shirley say something like "ask Phil about Roxy's money"? She didn't specify an amount or what has happened to it. It could be invested and tied up for all we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Phil's businesses probably bring in lots of cash but what I don't understand is that Ritchie's been his lawyer for years and knows all about his assets. Therefore, even though he didn't have the cash to hand, surely she'd know he's good for it sooner or later?
Yes, that's what I was really getting at, Dazzle. I can't remember the exact words but at one point Ritchie asked Sharon if Phil had any assets. I thought to myself, well, yes, she knows better than anyone that he has The Arches, R&Rs and the Albert, why is she asking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
But, in any case, I still can't believe that Phil has no money left. I know someone as dodgy as Phil would try and get out of paying as much tax as possible, but he would have to make it look good, so surely he has at least one bank account with enough money in to look good. Also, I know that interest rates are no great shakes at the moment, but again, wouldn't Phil have money in some sort of savings, not just leave it as cash in his safe? None of it rings true to me that he has no money.
Another point is that I've always assumed that Phil's doing dodgy deals off-screen, but we've now been told that's not the case. It doesn't ring true to me that Phil's no longer involved in the criminal underworld and couldn't access funds that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It's all a bit contrived but I'm enjoying the storyline anyway. :)
is dean and shirley paying phil back money for the hair salon?
richie must not have been paid in a while and this is why she don't want to work for phil or his minions anymore
is dean and shirley paying phil back money for the hair salon?
richie must not have been paid in a while and this is why she don't want to work for phil or his minions anymore
That doesn't make sense to me given that Phil had a hundred thousand sitting in a safe, and he'd want to keep Ritchie (who's kept him out of prison on numerous occasions) onside surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Great acting by all tonight especially Kellie as Linda
Linda's smile at the end of the episode was really heartwarming! You could see the weight had physically lifted from her shoulders.
It's a shame that Dean will almost certainly not be prosecuted but I think it was worth Linda reporting the rape anyway because at least he'll be interrogated by the police, which I imagine is an unpleasant experience. I think in real life such an ordeal might be enough to stop some rapists from repeating their crime.
Does Shirley really believe Dean? I don't think so, she just didn't want to lose him again.
I agree, Dazzle. I think Linda's sincerity hit home when Shirley asked her about what happened that night. She believed her all right. On the other hand she could see that Dean was lying, but, as you say, she doesn't want to lose him again. How far she can continue with this contradiction between what she knows to be true and what she would like to be true remains to be seen.
I'm glad you're of the same opinion as I am that Dean was lying (as opposed to being deluded).Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I definitely think he is lying, though there is some element of self-justification in it. But he knows what he did.
ok I am now on Peter to be the murderer of Lucy? just because of last nights hint at the NTA - so someone inside the beale house etc etc
or is that what we are meant to think?
On the Lucy thread we all seem in agreement that Lucy must have died in her room, so Peter's a very likely suspect. Forum member xxDanxx put forward a great theory - you should check it out!Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
the 'Jane' theory?? yes i have read itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
it does make sense, but how the body was moved, I'd like a few more thoughts/ideas? and why the common near her business meeting/flat sales?
apart from Lauren and Lucy, and max - no one had ever mention or shown they knew the common existed before?
The common is close to the square so I assume that all of the characters were familiar with it even if they've never mentioned it. The body may have been dumped there just because it was the closest place that would be deserted at the time (to give the killer some breathing space before Lucy was found). Bodies are commonly dumped/buried in woodland.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
How the body was moved needs to be explained for any potential killer, but it'd be more difficult for a woman of course.
I believe Lucy's body was moved because the act itself was an accident rather than intentional murder. I can't really see any reason as to why someone who intended to kill her would move her body.
The only really plausible explanation I have is that it was an accident and the real killer probably assumed if the murder took place inside the Beale house, the Beale family would be very high suspects. If this is the reason the body was moved, the chance of the murderer being a Beale Family member/Jane is very high. Of course, my theory is still Jane.
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max and sharon have chemistry, wonder how sharon will make max pay
poor mick a lot to take in
tina was great with mick as was lee and nancy with linda
max and sharon have chemistry, wonder how sharon will make max pay
poor mick a lot to take in
tina was great with mick as was lee and nancy with linda
I think moving bodies makes people look guilty, intentional or not. Accidents happen, so why act in this way? Never understand all this in soaps!Quote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
I agree-but this time we have 2 suspects withQuote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
"body moving" facilities- the Cokers.
But do they have a motive? or is there one
of the other suspects they would help?
were they in list of suspects to cloud issue.
So far xxdanxx s theory seems best and
well thought out-but there is the moving of
body.!
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Superb, intense, heartwarming, heartbreaking episodes tonight. I haven't got enough superlatives for the acting and writing. It was in a soap league if it's own, up there with the best dramas. I love the Carters!! :thumbsup:
The only thing that sticks in my craw is Mick and Linda forgiving Shirley for siding with Dean. We as viewers can see why she's doing it, but I don't think Mick and Linda could forgive no matter what sob story Shirley tells. Yes, if she realises Dean's guilty and begs their forgiveness, but not while she's adamant that Linda's lying to save face! :angry:
Just look at the news any day and you'll see murderers having moved/hidden bodies for any number of reasons - usually to distance themselves from the act.Quote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
It's far more difficult for me to believe that someone moved the body after an accident. If someone dies of a true accident and no one's to blame it's pure stupidity to try and cover it up. Add to that the fact that pathologists can usually tell the difference between accidental blows and deliberate ones by the pattern of the skull fractures.
The police are adamant it's murder and must have good reason for that so, unless more evidence comes to light, I can't see the blow that killed Lucy as being anything other than deliberate. A deliberate blow, even if it was only intended to cause injury and not to kill, is still classed as murder. Plus there's Emma (a former police officer so she knows her stuff) calling it murder, and I'll be astonished and disappointed if the killing turns out to be some silly accident. (It wouldn't exactly be the first time I'd be disappointed in the resolution of a story in a soap of course!)
Max and Sharon have been very entertaining recently. Feisty Sharon's back to her best and "mad Max" is a vast improvement on sleazy Max. I can't wait to see him and Phil as enemies. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
You think Shirley realising that Linda has reported it to the Police should be a bit weird if she was lying. Surely Shirley should further doubt her son. I believe she does deep down already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Dazzle - accidental death was wrong, I meant manslaughter. Lack of sleep... Haha
You think Shirley realising that Linda has reported it to the Police should be a bit weird if she was lying. Surely Shirley should further doubt her son. I believe she does deep down already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Dazzle - accidental death was wrong, I meant manslaughter. Lack of sleep... Haha
We're on the same page I think, just using different terminology. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
Danny Dyer and Timothy West on top form in the acting last night
I loved how Tina was with Mick, it makes no difference to her and to Stan either that Mick is Shirley's son
So Mick was 14 when Linda had Lee like Shirley with him
I thought last night Shirley was going to say Mick was conceived from rape (I forgot about the love of her life Buster :p) and also Dean might confess the truth to Shirley after he said to her that she really believed him
Sylvie's turned out to really vile and I can't feel sorry for her even with the Alzheimer's. Stan isn't much better either, and now he wants his poor kids to help him die - as if they're not traumatised enough by all the revelations!
she was horridQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle