Current Episode Discussion VI

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Originally Posted by Joanne

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

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Well we all have different readings of the same thing. I doubt Phil would guess though. He doesn't know much about Steven and will probably think kids are messing around as usual. I still think it was unecessarily cruel to smash that snow globe - Ian could at least just have flatly reused to give it to the twins. The snow globe wasn't doing anyone any harm. I agree he shouldn't have done that to Stacey's clothes but he sounds a bit paranoid - saying everyone is laughing at him - Jean understands him ery well. I don't think a punching from Phil would help Stevem much. He clearly broke into the arches (which was obviously wrong) in order to kill himself. I can't condone what he has done, he has to be given some kind of silent treatment or other punishment for it but I can't help pitying him as well.

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Originally Posted by Joanne

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

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Me too Ian's always been best when he's cruel, and that was classic Ian Beale. Cant say I blame him though, Steven and Pat are stupid to think Ian should give him another chance, If someone stalked me for weeks and weeks, locked me up and then shot my wife I would have done alot worse to him then what Ian's doing. I wish Tanya had said something, she's not one to mince her words she would have put him firmly in his place.

Ian told Tanya not to interfere. Besides apart from being a supportive friend to Jane she shouldn't do anything - it's not her concern. I can't blame Ian for being angry of course because he was stalked and held hostage though I accept that Steven was unwell at the time which would explain though not excuse his behaviour. The gunshot was accidental - that is definite. He would never diliberately shoot anyone - even when he was messed up he just wouldn't. I am sorry for him and I am glad Pat and Lucy are there for him and it was noble of him not to tell Ian and Jane Lucy gave him Craig's gun but I still think he should keep his head down and stay out of Ian and Jane's way - that's the least he can do until things have calmed down. I hope Stacey manages to save him though because I can see that he is desperate.

Steven is still unwell!!! thrown stacey clothes over cause of a joke and pour petrol all over the garage.. how is he any better now then he was when he kidnapped and stalked Ian?

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Originally Posted by Santa baby

Steven is still unwell!!! thrown stacey clothes over cause of a joke and pour petrol all over the garage.. how is he any better now then he was when he kidnapped and stalked Ian?

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I agree that he is not fully well and that it was a bad move on his part to o off his medication but the clinic has definitely improved him slightly because at least he no longer shakes in that violent way and as far as I can see he no longer throws up aftereating or has difficulty sleeping like he admitted he did before. He also admitted that he was deluded before and accepts that Ian is not responsible for his mum's death in prison.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Allen

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Originally Posted by Joanne

I thought Ian was excellent tonight. The way he raised Steven's hopes only to smash them to smithereens was brilliant. I wish Tanya had said something to him when she saw him at the party - if Steven knew that someone other than The Beales and Pat were aware of what he has done to Ian and Jane he would be mortified.

No idea if Phil finds out who has broken into the Arches and doused the place in petrol but hope he does - he'd sort the brat out.

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Me too Ian's always been best when he's cruel, and that was classic Ian Beale. Cant say I blame him though, Steven and Pat are stupid to think Ian should give him another chance, If someone stalked me for weeks and weeks, locked me up and then shot my wife I would have done alot worse to him then what Ian's doing. I wish Tanya had said something, she's not one to mince her words she would have put him firmly in his place.

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I totally agree with you. :)

What Stacey said to Steven - "Steven, what are you doing? Trashing my stall is one thing but breaking into Phl's garage is another. What's the matter with you? Have you got a death wish or something?"

Well - I'm curious. Did she mean that last sentence metaphorically or literally?

To elaborate we all know what Phil is like - hard man, scary etc but of course even Phil would see Steven's not in his right mind - well anyway. Did she mean "Have you got a death wish or something?" in a metaphorical way as in we know Phil would probably kill anyone who broke into one of his buisinesses and so anyone getting on the wrong side of him must have a death wish or something to do so.

Or, seeing him pouring petrol all over the place...did she mean it literally as in "Are you trying to kill yourself?"

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Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes

To elaborate we all know what Phil is like - hard man, scary etc but of course even Phil would see Steven's not in his right mind - well anyway.

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Phil would only be concerned with his garage - he's not going to be understanding at all about Steven pouring petrol all over his place and stood there with a match - the last think he will be thinking, if he finds out it is - poor Steven. Phil wil probably be thinking I'm going to kill him for the damage he has done - not everybody sees Steven in the way you do!

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Originally Posted by Nigel the Christmas Turkey

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Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes

To elaborate we all know what Phil is like - hard man, scary etc but of course even Phil would see Steven's not in his right mind - well anyway.

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Phil would only be concerned with his garage - he's not going to be understanding at all about Steven pouring petrol all over his place and stood there with a match - the last think he will be thinking, if he finds out it is - poor Steven. Phil wil probably be thinking I'm going to kill him for the damage he has done - not everybody sees Steven in the way you do!

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I didn't mean that. Of course Phil would only be concerned with his garage and not at all sympathetic/understanding towards Steven but remember he saw that Stella was insane even if he hated her for what he did to Ben and in Stella's case I have no sympathy whatsoever as she was abusing a child - all I was saying was that it is clear/obvious to anyone that he is losing it, even Phil. Anyone can see it from his behaviour.

Today's episode was good. Loved the Stacey/Steven scenes and Aaron did brilliantly. I knew he couldn't tell her anything about what happened of course but Stacey's advice was good - to concentrate on his friends for now and forget about his family for a bit - it was lovely to see them bonding. I am softening towards Ian now - he does still love Steven as a son despite everything though he should not have broken that snow globe but he is afraid of losing Jane if he forgives Steventoo soon which is understandable. Jane is a total stranger to him but Ian knows Stevenbetter as does Pat, Lucy and Pete - I agree with Ian that Steven would never hurt Lucy. I'm definitely watching again at 10 though there were not as many Steven scenes as I would have liked. I'm glad Jack persuaded Ronnie and Roxy to make up.