Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

I dont think the killer knows they killed her.

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I know but im talking from if this was real. Whoever killed her would be edgy and but all characters seem fine and dandy.

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

I know but im talking from if this was real. Whoever killed her would be edgy and but all characters seem fine and dandy.

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yeah thats what i mean. i think whoever killed her it was an accident which is why they dont know. they probably know they had an issue with her or done something but dont think that it killed her or was serious enough

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

I know but im talking from if this was real. Whoever killed her would be edgy and but all characters seem fine and dandy.

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yeah thats what i mean. i think whoever killed her it was an accident which is why they dont know. they probably know they had an issue with her or done something but dont think that it killed her or was serious enough

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

I never wanted phil to treat shirley bad. Why would i want that?

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Sorry, I wasn't implying that you want Phil to be abusive to Shirley. I meant that since it's apparent that Phil can't treat her with respect anymore (except for the very rare occasion), why would a Shirley fan want her to be with him? You've answered that now.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Me neither. I think it was Dot.

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It's always the one we least suspect...

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

You'd think that whoever killed her would be different in character, feeling guilty or edgy, but apart from Ben and Jay, no-one else looks dodgy about it.

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That isn't true though - many of the characters are taking turns at being made to look shifty and suspicious to alert us viewers to the possible suspects. They've been shown looking guilty in private. Nearly all of them have proved to have lied or be hiding something relevant to the case. It just happens to be Ben and Jay's turn at the moment. There was Abi nearly drowning Lauren, Lee being proved to have a violent temper, etc.

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the writers were at it again in Friday's episode by making Denise look guilty. She said something along the lines that Lucy was a total cow, and she also went for Ian at one point and had to be restrained (by Masood I think). The writers were showing us that Denise didn't like Lucy and is capable of violence, and is therefore a suspect.

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

I dont think the killer knows they killed her.

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I'll be disappointed if it turns out that's the case. Forensics are usually good enough to pick up the difference between a deliberate blow and an accidental one. For instance, I've seen the theory several times that Lucy's fall in the car lot may have ended up causing her death, but the post mortem should be able to tell that injury was caused by a fall and that it happened hours before her death. If there was any doubt the police would have informed Ian. There'd better be a damn good explanation if it transpires that Lucy's killer is unaware of their guilt.

There's also the small matter of the body being moved after death.

To me, it looked like Ian was buying time by lying to the police because he was undecided what to do next.

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Sorry, I wasn't implying that you want Phil to be abusive to Shirley. I meant that since it's apparent that Phil can't treat her with respect anymore (except for the very rare occasion), why would a Shirley fan want her to be with him? You've answered that now.



It's always the one we least suspect...



That isn't true though - many of the characters are taking turns at being made to look shifty and suspicious to alert us viewers to the possible suspects. They've been shown looking guilty in private. Nearly all of them have proved to have lied or be hiding something relevant to the case. It just happens to be Ben and Jay's turn at the moment. There was Abi nearly drowning Lauren, Lee being proved to have a violent temper, etc.

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but the writers were at it again in Fridays episode by making Denise look guilty. She said something along the lines that Lucy was a total cow, and she also went for Ian at one point and had to be restrained (by Masood I think). The writers were showing us that Denise didn't like Lucy and is capable of violence, and is therefore a suspect.



I'll be disappointed if it turns out that's the case. Forensics are usually good enough to pick up the difference between a deliberate blow and an accidental one. For instance, I've seen the theory several times that Lucy's fall in the car lot may have ended up causing her death, but the post mortem would easily be able to differentiate between a non-fatal wound and a fatal one. If there was any doubt the police would have informed Ian. There'd better be a damn good explanation if it transpires that Lucy's killer is unaware of their guilt.

There's also the small matter of the body being moved after death.

To me, it looked like Ian was buying time by lying to the police because he was undecided what to do next.

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I think phil has it in him to treat shirley right. Certainly when they originally got together in march 2010 he was. There have been loads of times we've seen him genuine with her, its only when there is pressure on him that he treats her bad, if he accepted what shirley means to him then there would be fewer moments. Why is it he seems to treat sharon with respect even after everything shes done to him, shes not that special. He never seems to change when it comes to sharon and is always nice to her. Surely if you had deep love for someone youd have more range of emotion in day to day things, i dont find phil and sharon realistic.

At least phil has never called shirley a silly tart and been threatening to beat mick up (with or without knowing hes her son)

I think its perfectly reasonable the killer doesnt know they done it and their reaction when they find out will make for good storytelling rather than the usual killer on the loose story we already have with ben and to less extent stacey. We dont need another one of those

Had Lucy two mobile phones?

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Had Lucy two mobile phones?

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Not to my knowledge.

I just hope the final discovery of the murderer is a real doozy. After the torture we've all experienced following this storyline ,nothing less will do. The murderer being a full cast member and with credible motives . If they can do this I for one will be a happy tiger.....:)

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Originally Posted by Glen1

I just hope the final discovery of the murderer is a real doozy. After the torture we've all experienced following this storyline ,nothing less will do. The murderer being a full cast member and with credible motives . If they can do this I for one will be a happy tiger.....:)

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I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had arift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did

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Originally Posted by Glen1

I just hope the final discovery of the murderer is a real doozy. After the torture we've all experienced following this storyline ,nothing less will do. The murderer being a full cast member and with credible motives . If they can do this I for one will be a happy tiger.....:)

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I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had a rift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did

Was Ian not told Lucy's mobile phone and handbag were with her a the scene of her body discovery or did I imagine that?

W\s it ever explained where Lucy got the cocaine from in her room?

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Was Ian not told Lucy's mobile phone and handbag were with her a the scene of her body discovery or did I imagine that?

W\s it ever explained where Lucy got the cocaine from in her room?

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Di Keeble must have been aware that Lucy had her handbag with her when she left the square and whilst she was on the bus ,It's on cctv. I thought Ian was present when the footage was shown to the press so should have known or surely DI Keeble would have told him. . But as I think your saying why would Ian accept Ben's lies so easily if he thought otherwise ?
I don't recall anything being said about the cocaine . :hmm:

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had a rift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did

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You may well be right monalisa. If the storyline does end that way the beeb will get one hell of a complaint email from yours truly. Particularly after all the hype from the exec producer ,i.e all the references to the " Lucy Beale murderer" ,"emotionally right for the killer ", and that three or four viewers had emailed her a few weeks after the murder, correctly identifying the murderer and listing the correct motives . Goodness knows how !

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Was Ian not told Lucy's mobile phone and handbag were with her a the scene of her body discovery or did I imagine that?

W\s it ever explained where Lucy got the cocaine from in her room?

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No, on both counts. :)

I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode as it sounds like there's going to be a good twist in the Lucy case:

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Ian finds an unsent text on Lucy's phone (meaning that the police won't have seen it yet either).

From the spoilers, it could be very important to the case!

phil so happy and proud that ben is not gay and has a girlfriend in abi, well done phil mitchell dad of the year or the decade

ian and jane should have set phil straight pardon the pun when he burst in to ian's house

so who is Lucy's drug dealer, ian and jane recognised the name or number

phil so happy and proud that ben is not gay and has a girlfriend in abi, well done phil mitchell dad of the year or the decade

ian and jane should have set phil straight pardon the pun when he burst in to ian's house

so who is Lucy's drug dealer, ian and jane recognised the name or number

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

I actually dont think the murderer will have had a motive, alonG with them not knowing they never set out to kill her. Maybe they had a rift with her but never imagined killing her. Thats the only reason i think the cast member wont be leaving as they never had intent and will show remorse when they realize what they did

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I'm not quite clear what you are suggesting here. Is it that Lucy's death was an accident and not murder? As otherwise I don't see how the killer can just show remorse and not be prosecuted for murder or manslaughter at least.

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Originally Posted by Glen1

You may well be right monalisa. If the storyline does end that way the beeb will get one hell of a complaint email from yours truly. Particularly after all the hype from the exec producer ,i.e all the references to the " Lucy Beale murderer" ,"emotionally right for the killer ", and that three or four viewers had emailed her a few weeks after the murder, correctly identifying the murderer and listing the correct motives . Goodness knows how !

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Dom said in the original article the killer might not know. Why would you want another ben or stacey on the show who was a cold murderer and will probably get sent down? if the murderer is someone who is staying in the show they need to show remorse and since they havent then i presume they don't know.

Aw its obvious jay still loves abi and theres a reason for the split more than him not wanting to go with her. He wouldnt have kicked off like that and been so nasty to abi if he didnt

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Originally Posted by Glen1

You may well be right monalisa. If the storyline does end that way the beeb will get one hell of a complaint email from yours truly. Particularly after all the hype from the exec producer ,i.e all the references to the " Lucy Beale murderer" ,"emotionally right for the killer ", and that three or four viewers had emailed her a few weeks after the murder, correctly identifying the murderer and listing the correct motives . Goodness knows how !

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Dom said in the original article the killer might not know. Why would you want another ben or stacey on the show and will probably get sent down? if the murderer is someone who is staying in the show they need to show remorse and since they havent then i presume they don't know.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not quite clear what you are suggesting here. Is it that Lucy's death was an accident and not murder? As otherwise I don't see how the killer can just show remorse and not be prosecuted for murder or manslaughter at least.

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Yes i think it was an accident or something like related to drugs and something that went on before hand but the killer didnt realize what happened killed her. I definitely think when the killer realizes it will be obvious they didnt know and will be distraught..which i find more interesting than the killer having been on loose this whole time showing little remorse

none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her..

Dom also said its a WHAT killed lucy rather than WHO.

I think it can still be classed as a murder, as cant a murder still happen even without intent? ill be annoyed if the killer has known this whole time and shown little remorse and covered it up. i really dont want another killer covering up their crime, theres already been enough of them. adding pam to the list from her recent reveal aswell

the only one who would know and be as evil about it is IAN himself. and i just cant see him being the killer.

im so glad phil remembered ben is gay...glad the show didnt take us for idiots

Aw its obvious jay still loves abi and theres a reason for the split more than him not wanting to go with her. He wouldnt have kicked off like that and been so nasty to abi if he didnt

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her.

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I'm not saying they did it, but I can think of two straight off who are evil enough to do it and try and hide it. Ben and Nick. Someone like Aleks also strikes me as the type who would try and hide it if they did it. I think there are a number of characters who would try and cover it up.

I think it could be Peter. We know he gets into drugs soon maybe he has his stash already. I don't know.

I think they should have a filmed a few culprits as Lucy's killer and showed the viewers straight away the killer not wait a year for the big reveal

No one is showing any guilt or remorse though Jay is jumpy but I don't think he is her killer

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not saying they did it, but I can think of two straight off who are evil enough to do it and try and hide it. Ben and Nick. Someone like Aleks also strikes me as the type who would try and hide it if they did it. I think there are a number of characters who would try and cover it up.

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Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not saying they did it, but I can think of two straight off who are evil enough to do it and try and hide it. Ben and Nick. Someone like Aleks also strikes me as the type who would try and hide it if they did it. I think there are a number of characters who would try and cover it up.

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Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it

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Unless Ian is the killer

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it

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You may well be right about them being too obvious but I was just responding to your statement that "none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her.." and answering your question that there are several who would do that.

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it

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There's no guarantee Ian will find out though. The viewers might be the only ones in on the secret.

Also, Peter is very high on the suspect list and I doubt that Ian would tell the police if he found out that Peter killed Lucy. The same may go for several others close to Ian, especially if they can give Ian a satisfactory explanation of what happened that night.

Whitney hated Lucy and I think she's capable of hiding it if she's the killer, rather than spend 15 years in jail. I'd say the same for some others too.

I don't think anything's set in stone and Dominic Treadwell-Collins may well have been leaving false trails for us in his interviews.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

You may well be right about them being too obvious but I was just responding to your statement that "none of the characters strike me as that evil., none of them hated lucy enough to hide it from ian and make his life hell, who on the show would do that if they knew they killed her.." and answering your question that there are several who would do that.

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Yeah i know, i just dont think any of them are evil enough besides ben and nick who i dont think killed her, i think ben moved her and stole her purse/phone

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

There's no guarantee Ian will find out though. The viewers might be the only ones in on the secret.

Also, Peter is very high on the suspect list and I doubt that Ian would tell the police if he found out that Peter killed Lucy. The same may go for several others close to Ian, especially if they can give Ian a satisfactory explanation of what happened that night.

Whitney hated Lucy and I think she's capable of hiding it if she's the killer, rather than spend 15 years in jail. I'd say the same for some others too.

I don't think anything's set in stone and Dominic Treadwell-Collins may well have been leaving false trails for us in his interviews.

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Whitney isnt evil enough to just not care, if she knew she couldve left with bianca.

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

There's no guarantee Ian will find out though. The viewers might be the only ones in on the secret.

Also, Peter is very high on the suspect list and I doubt that Ian would tell the police if he found out that Peter killed Lucy. The same may go for several others close to Ian, especially if they can give Ian a satisfactory explanation of what happened that night.

Whitney hated Lucy and I think she's capable of hiding it if she's the killer, rather than spend 15 years in jail. I'd say the same for some others too.

I don't think anything's set in stone and Dominic Treadwell-Collins may well have been leaving false trails for us in his interviews.

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Whitney isnt evil enough to just not care, if she knew she couldve left with bianca.

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

Whitney isnt evil enough to just not care, if she knew she couldve left with bianca.

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She isn't evil, true, but she might be very scared at the thought of prison, especially given her history of being a victim of abuse. I'm not saying I think Whitney's the killer, just that I'm not ruling anyone out.

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

Which would be too boring and obvious, the character will have to leave as ian wont let them get away with it

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Well Ian's track record on his quest for justice for Lucy isn't so good so far, lied to the police giving a false alibi for the night of the murder, and now willing to withhold evidence which might be important to the enquiry. Ian doesn't know otherwise or does he ? Also it may only be the viewers who get to know who the killer is next Feb ,EE quite capable of continuing to draw out the storyline for further months imo.

Sorry Dazzle, only just seen ,I've duplicated some of the points' you've already made.

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Originally Posted by Glen1

Sorry Dazzle, only just seen ,I've duplicated some of the points' you've already made.

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Great minds... :D

About this issue of looking guilty. To use Whitney as an example again, she looked very shifty and guilty for a few episodes when the focus was on her around the time Tamwar found her note, but has since been acting as normal.

However, we had absolutely no indication from Stacey's behaviour that she was guilty of Archie's murder, so I don't think we can conclude that lack of guilt in everyday episodes signifies innocence in Eastenders.

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Great minds... :D

About this issue of looking guilty. To use Whitney as an example again, she looked very shifty and guilty for a few episodes when the focus was on her around the time Tamwar found her note, but has since been acting as normal.

However, we had absolutely no indication from Stacey's behaviour that she was guilty of Archie's murder, so I don't think we can conclude that lack of guilt in everyday episodes signifies innocence in Eastenders.

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Thats cos archie raped her, she had no reason to feel guilty