Coronation Street - Current Episode Discussion - IV

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Originally Posted by alan45

If they could prove the fire was caused by Tracy's candle then she could be charged with murder even though she may not have set out to kill them she was reckless by her actions in leving the lighted candle knowing that the cosequences of her actions may have caused a fire.

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That's the thing though, she left the candle where she did completely thoughtlessly so she couldn't know there would be any consequences. I'm not trying to argue she's innocent - far from it - it just seems to me to be a very complicated case.

Anyway, I think we can all agree that there need to be long-lasting repercussions for Tracy for causing the fire and deaths, especially given she's compounding it further by stirring up so much hatred for an innocent woman. :angry:

I'm just waiting that Michelle will return and realize that the key to Carla's flat is still missing from her handbag(I assume..?!).., Sean might remember that Tracy asked him to go to the back of the pub..and would police check the CCTV cameras on the area then? I just want to wipe that smile off Tracy's face..!

sending a cheque not a good idea carla

todd's reveal of his evil revenge plan was enjoyable

surprised not more from street weren't at the funeral like nick, norris, gail, sally so on

adrian was too good for eileen

sending a cheque not a good idea carla

todd's reveal of his evil revenge plan was enjoyable

surprised not more from street weren't at the funeral like nick, norris, gail, sally so on

adrian was too good for eileen

Too much time on Kal's funeral -wasn't any central or long term character, didn't have any effect on me, just boring. And everyone against Carla is getting too much now.. Too much anger &hatred on the street at the moment..

Agree on all counts, mariba.

deirdre got a mention by ken finally and why did leanne send simon to school

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Originally Posted by lizann

deirdre got a mention by ken finally and why did leanne send simon to school

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So she could grief and attend the funeral ??

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Originally Posted by lizann

deirdre got a mention by ken finally and why did leanne send simon to school

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So she could grief and attend the funeral ??

Simon is old enough to go to funeral-or are children not allowed in muslim funerals??

Maybe Leanne thought it would be less upsetting for him to go to school rather than the funeral

Hope Todd has another permanent scar now after that thumping he got off Jason :angry:

It can be more upsetting for them not to allow them to grief and part of it is attending to funerals. Dying is part of life and the younger they are to realize this, the better. Simon won't be thanking Leanne for that, I'm sure of it.
Our kids have attended to funerals since they were 5 - but is it that they are catholics and we also live in small community where people want to show support to each other. And this is learned from young age. And also-with living on a farm and having always had loads of animals and pets, they've got used to dealing with death naturally.
But Simon is not a baby-he's what..11,12,13??

Simon is 12, he was born in 2003. It might have been his choice not to go ... off screen as nothing was seen as far as I can remember ...

Well that was a downbeat couple of episodes. :(

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Originally Posted by lizann

todd's reveal of his evil revenge plan was enjoyable

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Yes I enjoyed Todd's revenge too. What he did was truly awful but for some reason I didn't feel overly scandalised on Eileen's behalf. I think it's probably to do with not caring a great deal for Eileen as she's too self-centred for my taste. Also, Todd might have provided the temptation but it was Eileen's decision alone to betray nice guy Adrian. :thumbsdow

I did feel a bit sorry for her at the end when she was looking at the photo of a younger Todd (and Jason). It must be devastating to have your child hate you so deeply. :(

I wonder where Todd's going and what his plans are now?

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Originally Posted by mariba

Too much time on Kal's funeral -wasn't any central or long term character, didn't have any effect on me, just boring.

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I agree the funeral went on too long and Kal's no great like loss to me either, but the rest of the Nazirs are long-term characters (as far as we know) and it's important for their character development to be seen grieving their son/father. The same goes for Leanne.

I liked the scene in the garden with Yasmeen and Sharif regretting they were so tough on Kal. However, their constant fawning over Leanne and repeatedly assuring her she was family was a bit over the top. The writers are obviously treating this as a clean slate for the Nazirs to try to make them more likeable.

I thought Ken telling Sharif that he owes him because Kal saved Amy was moving. :crying:

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Originally Posted by Perdita

Simon is 12, he was born in 2003. It might have been his choice not to go ... off screen as nothing was seen as far as I can remember ...

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I'm sure there was a scene where he complained about not being allowed to go. I think that decision will come back to bite Leanne as Simon will resent her for it.

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Originally Posted by mariba

Simon is old enough to go to funeral-or are children not allowed in muslim funerals??

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Yes I thought perhaps young children are not allowed to go into mosques

I liked seeing the muslin funeral but I agree too much time was used on a character who had not been on the show that long

I think Kal's parents are being too nice and caring with Leanne, Kal and her weren't together that long, so Alya and Zeedan should be the main concern now and not Leanne after all Kal did go into the building on fire after her

Some of Todd's lines were funny but I found him very cruel with Julie who has always been on his side

I think the scene of Simon at the bus stop when Carla passed, he was angry to having to go to school and not Kal's funeral, I don't think sending him to the school was best could he not have stayed with Amy and Tracy, it is the least Tracy could have done for Leanne offered to babysit

Good to hear Ken mentioning Deirdre and his daughter's death

Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.

Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.

As I said before-too much anger on the street at the moment..very hard and tiring to watch..I really miss Deirdre's funny lines now..At least we have Mary and Sean..I've always liked Sean. Where's Billy by the way? As a priest he could offer lots of support after fire..??
Tracy must be found out soon, I can't take accusations against Carla for much longer..Thank God for Roy being there for her! <3

I agree too, that Kal's parents are too sugary sweet towards Eileen..She wasn't his wife yet, and even if she was their main concern should be Alya and Zadeen.(was that his name?) I hate that Alya will be turning against Carla now too-as I really liked them as a team together against Sally..Does this mean that Tracy won't be found out at all and Carla has to take responsibility for starting the fire??!I'll be very disappointed in that case..If Tracy won't be made responsible, I will have no sympathy for her when she loses her mom either..she's just a poisonous bitch for me! At least character like Charity in Emmerdale has some kind of humanity left, Tracy is just pure cruel.

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Originally Posted by mariba

Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.

As I said before-too much anger on the street at the moment..very hard and tiring to watch..I really miss Deirdre's funny lines now..At least we have Mary and Sean..I've always liked Sean. Where's Billy by the way? As a priest he could offer lots of support after fire..??
Tracy must be found out soon, I can't take accusations against Carla for much longer..Thank God for Roy being there for her! <3

I agree too, that Kal's parents are too sugary sweet towards Eileen..She wasn't his wife yet, and even if she was their main concern should be Alya and Zadeen.(was that his name?) I hate that Alya will be turning against Carla now too-as I really liked them as a team together against Sally..Does this mean that Tracy won't be found out at all and Carla has to take responsibility for starting the fire??!I'll be very disappointed in that case..If Tracy won't be made responsible, I will have no sympathy for her when she loses her mom either..she's just a poisonous bitch for me! At least character like Charity in Emmerdale has some kind of humanity left, Tracy is just pure cruel.

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Guess you meant Leanne, not Eileen and Alya's brother is called Zeedan :)

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Originally Posted by mariba

Todd was cruel-to everyone. Full stop. I didn't find any of it funny. Poor Eileen..I hope Todd stays away for good now..
And I do hope Adrian would come back or maybe Michael and Eileen could be together. I would like to see Eileen happy-she deserves it.

As I said before-too much anger on the street at the moment..very hard and tiring to watch..I really miss Deirdre's funny lines now..At least we have Mary and Sean..I've always liked Sean. Where's Billy by the way? As a priest he could offer lots of support after fire..??
Tracy must be found out soon, I can't take accusations against Carla for much longer..Thank God for Roy being there for her! <3

I agree too, that Kal's parents are too sugary sweet towards Eileen..She wasn't his wife yet, and even if she was their main concern should be Alya and Zadeen.(was that his name?) I hate that Alya will be turning against Carla now too-as I really liked them as a team together against Sally..Does this mean that Tracy won't be found out at all and Carla has to take responsibility for starting the fire??!I'll be very disappointed in that case..If Tracy won't be made responsible, I will have no sympathy for her when she loses her mom either..she's just a poisonous bitch for me! At least character like Charity in Emmerdale has some kind of humanity left, Tracy is just pure cruel.

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Guess you meant Leanne, not Eileen and Alya's brother is called Zeedan :)

I know Carla had a couple of drinks on the day of the fire but she was not drunk, surely Ken would never have asked her to look after Amy if she had been, so why is everyone saying she was boozed up??? Are they all presuming she got bladdered at home with a young girl to look after??? :wall::wall::wall:

it was liz who asked carla to mind amy not ken

Yes, this great assumption by everyone that Carla was p***** is just ridiculous. Even if The fire was Carla's fault I can't believe that in any normal community people would jump to this conclusion. They would feel sorry for Carla losing her home in an accident. I think Corrie portrays a very jaundiced view of humanity. It is all a complete philosophy of despair where no-one has a kind word or thought for anyone and is not realistic.

given she drinks quite a far bit it was easy for tracy to convince everyone drunk carla was culprit even carla herself

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Originally Posted by lizann

it was liz who asked carla to mind amy not ken

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Sorry, I remembered that wrong but especially Liz would not have asked a drunken Carla to mind her granddaughter

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Originally Posted by Perdita

Sorry, I remembered that wrong but especially Liz would not have asked a drunken Carla to mind her granddaughter

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carla wasn't drunk in reception she was having a few glasses of wine i think

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Originally Posted by Perdita

Sorry, I remembered that wrong but especially Liz would not have asked a drunken Carla to mind her granddaughter

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carla wasn't drunk in reception she was having a few glasses of wine i think

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Originally Posted by lizann

given she drinks quite a far bit it was easy for tracy to convince everyone drunk carla was culprit even carla herself

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I think Tracy stirring up the venom towards Carla is key here. She's so manipulative she's managed to convince even Carla herself she's to blame and deserves the hatred of the community.

We should also remember that Carla has behaved very badly in the past. She was banned for drink driving and, in a separate drunken incident, mowed down Stella (although I'm not sure how widely known about in the community the latter incident is because Frank Foster took the blame at the time). So if people think this is one in a long line of Carla's drunken incidents that have led to people being hurt, it's easier to see why they blame her (when they might not if it was someone with an unblemished history).

It's still quite annoying and painful to watch though. :thumbsdow

The problem is that Carla is not sure whether she extinguished the candle before going to sleep or not and that kind of doubt is in most people when there has been an incident ... you think you know but the nagging doubt is there ...

I think because Carla herself thinks she is to blame now so she may have had then a few drinks before going to sleep on the sofa even though the viewers didn't see this, she did tell Roy she couldn't remember the events of the fire or if she outed the candle

Tracy was quick to start blaming Carla as she knows it was her fault so add more fuel to the fire so to speak by telling Leanne it was Carla's fault too as she was drunk

Where did Zeedan get the rock he was going to use on Carla's car, their don't seem to be any lose rocks around the street :p

There's always the odd loose rock or two around in a Soap when you need one!

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Where did Zeedan get the rock he was going to use on Carla's car, their don't seem to be any lose rocks around the street :p

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Not unusual to find a loose rock on a cobbled street

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Where did Zeedan get the rock he was going to use on Carla's car, their don't seem to be any lose rocks around the street :p

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Not unusual to find a loose rock on a cobbled street

Carla was at the wedding for goodness sake!! But she was not drunk -what we are not shown, doesn't happen - that's how I see it. When has Carla looked after Amy previously anyway?? If Carla is to blame, then we should blame Liz as well - and how about Tracy?? Why couldn't she go home with Amy, or Ken?? Also - it was Sineads gift candle that caused the fire, why isn't anyone blaming her??The 'blame street ' again when everyone should pull together. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT (that's what everyone should think at the moment anyway..) and they do happen, every single day. If it was anyone's fault that kal got killed, they should blame leanne for taking all that time on the ladder, or kal himself who waited for ages at the balcony! Or maddie for making foolish decision and going under the yellow tape.. And fire truck took their time too.. -Very badly written again.Not believable.

And I still want Tracy to be found out!!!

Absolutely 100% agree, mariba. This whole blame game is stretching the bounds of credulity too much. It just wouldn't happen like that in real life.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

There's always the odd loose rock or two around in a Soap when you need one!

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the cobbles always rock so bound to be a few lose ones

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Originally Posted by lizann

the cobbles always rock so bound to be a few lose ones

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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

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Originally Posted by mariba

And I still want Tracy to be found out!!!

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it better be soon hate a drag out of this which seems likely to happen