Does Gail still work at the gym?
Sally was funny naming all the drugs it could be too :p
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Does Gail still work at the gym?
Sally was funny naming all the drugs it could be too :p
I thought Owen had beat Linda or done something else, pretty bad reason for Linda not to contact her kids, she could have made more effort
What has Linda's contacting her kids have to do with Anna, I really detest the character of Anna even more so than Owen, the writers ruined Anna
Looks like Julie is being turned into an annoying nag beforeSpoiler:
some funny scenes tonight. gail and sally were funny as was mary, a model. brilliant. patti delivered the goods as always.
No chickens tonight, thank goodness. callum as a hard man is funny, he is camper than dale winton. :D
The best episodes of Corrie for ages tonight. Some drama and a lot of humour.
I'm glad everyone else enjoyed Monday's Corrie as much as I did. Writer Damon Rochfort's scripts were spot on and full of lots of witty touches:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Mary contemplating people gazing at her dahlias (I've never heard them called that before! :eek:)
Sally complaining about what she'd have to do in prison to get decent toilet roll (as she's so middle class...)
Jason thinking the Golden Gate Bridge is in New York
Sally (again) thinking Kylie's ear (or both ears) were in the box. :D
My very favourite was Mary's "Oh no, I'm only attracted to clever men"! :rotfl:
(And if anyone's wondering - yes, I was sad enough to note down those lines right after watching so I didn't forget! :o)
I know I shouldn't but I'm enjoying watching Todd manipulating Jason. :ninja:
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Originally Posted by lizann
I do agree with you both about Linda making more effort. She could have contacted a solicitor and I don't think there's any way a judge would have denied her access. However, that doesn't take away from nasty Owen's guilt in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I thought his heart-to-heart with Izzy was really well done, especially the line "you made me hate myself so you could be a hero". That whole conversion rang true to me. (I also took great pleasure in Gary getting his own back on Owen with some harsh home truths.)
I detest Owen the most. I've been wondering lately why the writers have regressed the Windasses and Armstrongs back to being so unlikable again? All the Windasses were horrible when they first came into Corrie but improved immensely with some character development. The same goes for Owen. Anna even became a bit of an earth mother type for a while if memory serves.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I just can't understand the character unravelling (is that the right word?) that's happened to them in the past year or so.
Anna just has a permanent look of disgust on her face i am getting sick of seeing that look
Owen is the good guy here... I don't remember him having an affair or jumping into bed with anyone.
Katie takes after her mother.
...
All in order for Owen to make his departure but after the year she has been through, I can also understand her not looking her happiest and the truth about Owen and his ex-wife splitting and non-contact with the children will also take a while for her to come to terms with!Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
yes-and he was the parent who loookedQuote:
Originally Posted by Snagglepus
the daughters throughout childhood.
Theres bad publicity about "absent fathers"
- but sometimes its the mother who "absents"
herself-like in this case.
Enough tho not perfect person-Owen was
the one who brought them up and deserves
some credit!
yes-and he was the parent who loookedQuote:
Originally Posted by Snagglepus
the daughters throughout childhood.
Theres bad publicity about "absent fathers"
- but sometimes its the mother who "absents"
herself-like in this case.
Enough tho not perfect person-Owen was
the one who brought them up and deserves
some credit!
he does deserve credit for bringing them up
Owen's definitely not the good guy here in my opinion. Linda having an affair had no bearing on her right to be a mother (or the kids' rights to have a mother in their lives). Owen cut her out to spite her without thinking of the emotional consequences for the kids. It was all done to punish Linda because she hurt his feelings. Even worse he allowed them to believe Linda left because of Izzy's disability, and we all heard Izzy tell him what a devastating effect that's had on her life. What a burden for her to carry around!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snagglepus
Linda didn't absent herself (except for two months) as she wanted contact with the kids and kept trying for years by the sound of it. I don't know why she didn't seek access by legal means but that's another matter - maybe she'll explain herself later.
Of course Owen deserves credit for bringing them up on his own but the fact remains that this happened down to his choices as Linda wanted to be there. He's a bully through and through! :angry:
Neither of these parents are good guys.
i know but the job he took on was a tough one with a disabled child. Yes he separated them from their mother which is unforgivable but very common when couples split up
I don't really see how he can be given that much credit for doing a tough job when it happened solely because of his own selfish choices. The punishment he doled out to Linda for deserting them for two months was to keep her separated from her kids for life. He doesn't appear to have been concerned that the girls were being punished too.Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
I get just as angry when mothers deny fathers access to their kids for selfish reasons.
(Maybe I'm being slightly biased because I already detested Owen. :))
She did not make herself absent though ... Owen returned all the letters and presents she sent to the girls unopened because he got hurt by her having a brief affair when she quite possibly was suffering from post-natal depression and we know she felt unable to cope with Izzy's illness at the time. We know Owen has a bully when he first came to Coronation Street, maybe he was horrible to her at the time she had the girls, leading to her going with somebody else, we don't really know about that time to form an opinion. However, he should have worked on overcoming his feelings of hurt and anger and let her be a part in the girl's lives and not let them believe that it was Izzy's illness that kept her away all those years. Yes, he seems to have done a good job raising them on his own but that was his own decision!!
Took me rather longer to put this together and post it -this was meant to go under snagglepus's comment on Owen being the good guy here, so apologies for repeating what Dazzle has said :D!!
is he going back to Linda?
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I never mind being agreed with Perdy! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
Good call on Linda possibly suffering with post-natal depression.
She hasn't explained why didn't she seek any legal advice? Or are we meant to think that Owen bullied her so badly that her self esteem was low? It wasn't low enough for her to have affairs though..
I don't blame only Linda-what Owen did was really bad, maybe in Izzy's case- unforgivable(oh no, we have to watch Izzy crying for quite some time now..!!), but mothers are like tigers when it comes to their children. No way could my husband ever keep me away from our kids!!! In Emmerdale we have Emma Barton and now Linda in Corrie..is this very common in real life too?
She hasn't explained why didn't she seek any legal advice? Or are we meant to think that Owen bullied her so badly that her self esteem was low? It wasn't low enough for her to have affairs though..
I don't blame only Linda-what Owen did was really bad, maybe in Izzy's case- unforgivable(oh no, we have to watch Izzy crying for quite some time now..!!), but mothers are like tigers when it comes to their children. No way could my husband ever keep me away from our kids!!! In Emmerdale we have Emma Barton and now Linda in Corrie..is this very common in real life too?
no one ever really knows what goes on betweenQuote:
Originally Posted by mariba
a couple. With a real life couple that u know-
You may get both sides but the truth
lies probably lies between.
This is a soap story so its weighted to
achieve desired effect- quick exit line
for Owen .
I can agree with lot of points made-
but some women have overcome
bigger obstacles to contact their children.
A much larger number of men leave
their children than women do-I wanted
just to highlight their is another side
to it.
Re having 2 similar stories abt "deserting"
mothers - perhaps its meant as a strange
sort of equality!
Soaps very seldom give positive image of
women anyway!!
sorry -just one more point.It wasnt an
absolute choice for Owen- he could have
left them too-to Social Services and Care.
Which some fathers( and mothers) do every
year- when one parent has already left.
Bad I know-but it happens.
So for that reason -I dont see him as
badly as some do.
If Linda did suffer from depression, she might not have felt up to fighting for access through the courts. We have seen this portrayed quite well by Steve McDonald. Also, legal advice can be costly and not everyone can afford it. A hostile former partner will not become more amiable being told by a judge to allow a certain amount of access to the children on a regular basis and Linda might have been worried about Owen telling the girls even more lies and make her look even worse than he seems to have done already ... I don't think that is always the best answer.
She only had ONE very brief flingQuote:
Originally Posted by mariba
She only had ONE very brief fling and she admitted to not feeling able to cope with her young child's disability. She might have blamed herself for that ... did she contribute towards it?? We never know what goes on in other people's life until we walk in their shoesQuote:
Originally Posted by mariba
Excellent post Perdy! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I think you've probably hit the nail on the head that Linda didn't want to make matters worse for the girls (and probably thought Owen would eventually relent anyway). He hasn't denied her claim that she did her best to keep in touch with the girls, so I'm accepting that she did until told otherwise.
An affair /fling might make someone a poorQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
spouse/partner?? doesnt make them a bad parent.
Its a flimsy start for the storyline-but that's
possibly deliberate. So that if one of the departing
actors returns or one of those staying leaves-
it would be easier to accomodate.
It could have been much better-but as said
previously-rush job.
An affair /fling might make someone a poorQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
spouse/partner?? doesnt make them a bad parent.
Its a flimsy start for the storyline-but that's
possibly deliberate. So that if one of the departing
actors returns or one of those staying leaves-
it would be easier to accomodate.
It could have been much better-but as said
previously-rush job.
So she had an affair because of Izzy's disabilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
Owen was wrong to let Izzy think her disability was the reason the mother left while he didn't say it out right he did let Izzy think it
For all his bullying tactics, I still do think Owen is a good dad
Linda could have tracked her kids down in many ways even Katy told her this but I think after a year or two she just gave up which was wrong, she could have made a hell of lot more effort
I know this storyline is to facilitate Owen and Katy's exits but so far it is a let down
Lets hope they are replaced by characters with some morals.
There is only Emily and Norris who are not acting like a pair of dogs.
Don't know much about the Nazirs yet.
Linda had sorted herself a while back and is a successful business women in Portugal. Once she was sorted and financially secure she could had fought for access
But its rushed bringing her in to help two departures.
Linda had sorted herself a while back and is a successful business women in Portugal. Once she was sorted and financially secure she could had fought for access
But its rushed bringing her in to help two departures.
Maybe Owen isn't the real father of one of the girls so Katy (not his) leaves with the mother
Katy being a product of Linda's affair??Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I do think that's a good idea of Tammy's, but if it were the case why wouldn't Linda have told Owen long ago so she could take Katy? The only reason I can think is that she didn't want to split up the girls, but as Katy was still a baby I don't find that very convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
its a good idea- but the spoilers dated 03/02/15Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
in Linda Armstrong thread say something like-
Linda had 2 babies one of whom is unwell and
was having to work as well - so in hard place
and unhappy and then has affair.
Id thought Owen found out about affair very
soon after it happened and it was a"fling"!
The thing that puzzles me is saying she
has 2 babies?.I know the actresses have a big
age gap - but thats not too relevant.
But when the family arrived in Corrie- Katy
was living with Owen - Izzy had own flat and
seemed to have a maternal streak towards
Katy and I thought they were meant to be
at least 7-8 yrs apart -possibky more.
just have to wait to see how they write.
dupl
just typing mine - whilst u sent yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
good idea but loopholes!
dupl
Yes, I thought the affair was after Katy was born. Izzy must be a fair bit older than Katy because she remembers her mother.