Spoiler:Because he did not order anything, he has been sent a gift from a friend who might not have known the address of the Kabin or Norris's involvement as they have not had contact for a long while.
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Not sure if you have seen it or perhaps youQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
dont wish to-but there is info about who
seht present and what it is at the end of
the full synopsis for spoilers 24th-28th Nov
published by Perdita yesterday-.
Last para of 1st episode 24/11.
Cant remember if any of guesses on here were
correct.Mine wasnt! Sorry not adept with Spoilers.
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Originally Posted by maidmarian
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Originally Posted by maidmarian
I think that he can't face his life and is using the bistro to hide from his responsibilities. Not being able to face things is a classic symptom of depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Actually I thought Helen Worth was very amusing - "I am Davina McCall" :lol:
The programme is becoming a bit Long lost families
he likes steph's companyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
is carla going to take another fella from leanne in kal
he likes steph's companyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
is carla going to take another fella from leanne in kal
She did seem to have a twinkle in her eye for him! I can't see it happening though.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Steve found another way to avoid his life in his cute little sports car, but Michelle was back to her nastiest when she found out. :thumbsdow
Well I am not a fan of Leanne and Kal so don't particularly mind if Carla takes him from her but I would prefer to see Carla on her own for a while building strong friendships if possible with the likes of Leanne and Roy, I do like Carla and Roy scenes especiallyQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I don't know what to make of this Steve's depression storyline so far, I assumed the writers did adequate research as I don't think the writing for it so far is good imho
I must of missed yesterdays episode
I think the writing is good. Depression has many shapes and forms.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Now it seems more like a mid life crisis with the sports car
If I hear of someone with depression I will now think they are just an ars**le like Steve MacDonald.
He has nothing to be depressed about, except being a very bad actor to a ridiculous storyline.
They have handled this storyline very badly. Millions of people watch this programme and they are sending out all the wrong messages about depression. When your depressed people who know you very well have an idea you are depressed. It obviously has different levels with different people who have different coping mechanisms. When I was depressed I could not get out of bed, was off from work, tearful all the time, consumed with sadness and could not look after my kids. My family had to step in. It was'nt that I was'nt bothered I just could'nt do basic things. My cancer a year later felt easier to cope with than depression as I had no control of my mind and feelings.
Sorry to hear you've suffered the hell of severe depression, Swm. I have too. I totally agree that it (and other mental health problems) are worse than physical illnesses, something that many non-sufferers cannot possibly imagine. You literally cannot function whilst in the midst of severe depression (for example even basic things like eat, drink, take care of your personal hygiene etc - in fact Tony commented on Steve's personal hygiene so he's not taking care of himself properly). I think that Steve is currently on a downward spiral and will get to that point if he's unable to seek help (as are many sufferers).
I don't feel this storyline is being handled as badly as you do though, I've got to be honest. I don't see Steve as being an ar**hole (as Snagglepus puts it) but as someone who can't cope with his life any more and is finding reasons to escape from it. I've seen this very behaviour in my own family. The fact that he's unable to articulate why he's behaving this way is causing his friends and family to think the worst, but I understand it.
Not being able to talk to Michelle in the car was classic depression from my point of view. It's been made obvious that he still loves her deep down, and he cannot understand why he can no longer maintain a relationship with her.
As for saying he has nothing to be depressed about, clinical depression's not just brought about by difficult circumstances (although stress makes it far more likely to happen of course), but by something going wrong medically with the brain/body. The mechanics of the illness are far from being properly understood today. I do think it's been well spelled out that Steve was stressed out by turning 40 and by Michelle and Liz's constant mocking (which has damaged his self-esteem).
I think Steve's currently in denial about being depressed. It's something many people are unable to admit to. In fact, some people lose everything because they can't admit to it.
I'm not saying it's the best depression storyline ever or anything, but I don't feel it's being portrayed totally inadequately either. I'm still hoping that the progression of the illness will be handled realistically. I guess it helps that I really like Steve and feel for him enormously.
Sorry you went through it too. Hope the storyline does progress as you say
Either Les Dennis is the worst actor ever to tread the cobbles, or his character Michael is the worst character ever to feature in Corrie. No, on the other hand - both statements are correct!
I thought he was good at the beginning but not so now.
I have to agree, Brucie! I was hoping he'd improve but it doesn't seem to be happening. What's worse is that Michael is dragging Gail down to his cringeworthy level. It's getting hard to remember that Gail was once a good character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brucie
all the loving for gavin i can see why he is nice to look at :p
Another great evening for David!
Could it have been made more obvious Gavin is after Gail and her family's money
The writing is very poor.
Steve would be good selling sofas, he's like Neil the Sloth.
I found that crowd of vultures pecking at Steve in the street really uncomfortable to watch (which I guess was the point). Can they all take be that dense (and such bullies)? Even if they can't guess that Steve's depressed, it's obvious something's very wrong. It looks like Andrea will be the one he confides in, surprisingly.
Yeah, David was on form last night! I particulary enjoyed the way he burst out laughing when Michael shouted at Gail. Inappropriate of David, but understandable in the circumstances. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
All the subtlety of a sledgehammer there! He seems like a piece of work. Doesn't Michael think it's a bit strange that his abandoned son doesn't appear angry with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Did they have to show those maggots? Yuck!!! Thank goodness I wasn't eating at the time... :thumbsdow
The mention of Ramsey was nice. Did anyone else laugh out loud when Craig asked Norris if he had a tablet, to which Emily replied "oh dear, have you got a headache?". :rotfl:
Emily is on fire these days, anyone else notice her reference to Orange is the New Black?
Yes I did, and stepping it out down the cobbles, 83yrs young ,whatever her secret is I want a bottle of it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by LostVoodoo
Steve is still the Thicko he has been for many years now.
For a 'Thicko', as you put it, he has not done bad .... co-owner of 2 well-going businesses, several marriages showing the ladies like him and even though the marriages don't seem to last, that was not always his fault, especially his last one to Tracy
I think his acting and storyline re depression must be getting to people. Even my elderly neighbour was angry about it the other day. Her husband had depression after retirement.
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Originally Posted by Perdita
He has been a thicko since Fred Elliot left, that is when he began the silly voices and the gormless looks. Before that he was a Jack The Lad type person. He is supposed to be 40 years old not a kid.
Voice and certain looks don't make somebody a Thicko :angry:
I sure did. She couldn't make it past the shower scene apparently! I haven't seen OITNB yet but it's on my list of things to watch. I can't imagine anything good happens in a prison shower scene... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by LostVoodoo
Emily's getting quite adventurous in her viewing habits, what with this and Breaking Bad. I wonder what she'll try next? :D
Do you mean that in a good way or a bad way? Was your neighbour angry about the way it's been written/acted or about Steve's family bullying him?Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
Well said Perdy!! Plenty of people in real life hide behind a comedy persona. In fact, a surprisingly large percentage of comedians admit in later life to suffering mental health problems (eg Stephen Fry and poor Robin Williams). Comedy is a form of survival for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
She was angry about how it was written and acted.
producers have been trying to present Steve as if he is stupid and others try and reinforce that all the time with their treatment of him, for example when he went on the course. I think he got an award for a comedy role in corrie recently. He was never a comedy character before. I would like the old steve back but find it hard to remember how he was. Need to watch an old episode...how far back do i go?
I agree that Steve's family and friends treat him as if he were stupid, but I don't see that he's being presented as stupid at all. I know he acts the buffoon but he's pretty savvy underneath. People tend to live up (or down) to how they're treated, and I think Steve's condition has been exacerbated greatly by being constantly undermined by those around him.
This obsession with the car is about him escaping from reality - something Lloyd even said to help reinforce it to viewers. When Steve's thinking about the car he doesn't need to think about his own life, which he sees as a total failure.
I agree there's something amiss if many viewers aren't recognising the significance of his behaviour, but I've seen many positive comments elsewhere on the internet too. In fact, I'd say the positive comments outweigh the negative.
As for how far you'd have to go to see Steve not acting the buffoon, I'd say many years. It's annoyed me for a long time that his character changed so much from the bad boy he used to be, but I think this storyline may be an attempt to explain that.
Not sure there is an explanation why he has changed from bad boy to the way he is now ... like to think he has grown up. And the depression storyline is quite accurate when I think about me a few years ago .. bits of pieces of it hit home very well .. we don't all experience any illness quite the same ..would probably be a lot easier to find a resolution if we did .....
My wife, who was a mental health nurse and then a consultant psychotherapist, is of the opinion that they are portraying his descent into full blown depression very well and very realistically. As you say, Perdy, not everyone experiences illnesses - especially mental illnesses - in the same way. So even people who have suffered from depression might have had different symptoms and don't see themselves in Steve, but that doesn't mean it's not right for some people. His obsession with the car is a classic symptom of just trying to escape from the reality of life. The attitude of his mother and Michelle are just driving him further into a feeling of worthlessness. It will be interesting to see how it pans out and I think it is very commendable of Corrie to take on this story.
I agree a lot of illnesses- mental & physical canQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
display very varied symptoms.
Each person who has experienced a particular
illness themselves or in their family will remember
how tbey felt and will think that typical and it is
personally to them.
Im all for awareness but wonder what impression
those without experience are left with after Soaps
dabble- without considering all options fully. But
then soaps arent medical lectures!
I wont mention the Hayle Cancer storyline apart
from saying it was an opportunity to publicise
a less well known cancer. Which got sidetracked
in a various ways and tho many fans upset-
not much real knowledge gained.
The producer has said Steves story will
reach a conclusion/acceptance/ next stage
after New Year.So quite a while to go and
is hindered in some peoples perception by
Michelle being such an unpopular character.
I do hope the story does have a believeable
conclusion - as it is increasingly a very
important issue in present times.