I didn't mind the Garry storyline. I agree the Dot-baby storyline is a bit stupid.
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I didn't mind the Garry storyline. I agree the Dot-baby storyline is a bit stupid.
I don't mind the Garry storyline either, as he's one of my favourite characters.
I really haven't enjoyed the last two episodes of EE. The Garry stuff looks set to be really good, but the Dot and the baby storyline is just ridiculous, and Jim going to a pole dancing club...just cringeworthy in my opinion..
I am not sure.. if it had been me to find a baby in a church and I knew there was no vicar as she was on holiday or police station, I would possibly take the baby home but would notify my own police station immediately.. maybe Dot was thinking she is doing the right thing, hoping the mother will come back
I dont know about anyone else but i thought it was funny when Dot kept saying it was a gift from God, bless her. Personally i think she would do quite well with a baby even if she is old enough to be his great grand mother :rotfl:
I agree although I think the story is a bit cringy with Jim going to the pole dancing club, but I can think of worse people in the square to look after the baby than Dot.
Aww Abi is so cute :p She was totally the best thing of tonights episode :D.
I thought she was great aswell.:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyLea
Ok granted I love Dot to pieces, but the past two nights has gotten me wondering if she is LOOSING IT ..Abi Branning has all the makings of being a sly lil story spinner like her Daddy Max.. but she was good !!!
Ghosts indeed LOL loved it how Mo shuddered at the thought of a dead baby ghost crying LOL
My hubby wanted to know who HAZEL was and I told him that was Garry's mom he was like :eek: :eek: ( hubby had missed the first two epi's with Hazel) I have a feeling this Hazel is going to SHAKE up Walford...LOL
Now that Jim told the immigration to put their skates on and get over to his house,, lets see how fast they get there,, and how Dot reacts ... :hmm:
regardless of whether you like or dislike the storyline, dot and jim was fantastic in it last night.. they work so well with each other and it was touching. I liked the moment with gary and his mum (again both good actors)
I don't have a problem with the story line at all,, actually it is a good thing, its a BIG change from the normal episodes we see on EE.. Jim and Dot are great !!! Jim reminds me alot of my own step father, the rolling eyes, and the faces he makes when Dot says something DOT LIKE,,
I am looking forward to when Garry brings his mom home and introduces her to Minty and Naomi LOL
i knew he would came back for his mum. I love Garry.
Abi Branning was brilliant especially when she said to mo you hear it to about the baby.
I thought Abi was the best thing out of last night's episode. I thought she would spill all when Mo questioned her, she was brilliant! I thought the Dot and Jim baby storyline is rubbish.. For once I actually enjoyed watching them but then they brought in all this nonsence (sp?). All just got a bit repetitive with Dot's lines. Just a bit of me thought Jim would give in and actually think about it. I can just see Dot already going 'Oh Jim, what have you done?'
I think they way they introduced Garry's mum was pointless. You could see Garry just couldn't leave his mum on the road, glad he took her with him :)
Hmm well I personally felt that tonight's episode was 'not up to it's standards' because it's a Friday! I thought the ending to the storyline with the baby was rubbish, just how I thought the whole storyline was this week with them. I loved everything which included Garry in it tonight. Finally making some use of some existing characters. Over-reacting with Mo but entertaining, quite. Bless Garry, he really dosen't want Minty and his Mum to get along to much does he!
Well I agree with that of course. Nothing wrong with their acting. It's just the storyline which I absolutely hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
does anybody else not like the fact that they're using a dead baby as a comedy storyline? ok, it was funny when Abi made Mo think it was a ghost, but then to drag in the baby that Gary and Lynn lost doesn't seem particularly tasteful to me.
I don't like that, either. It's good to mention her, I think, but it would have been far more sympathetic to any viewers who have gone through a similar situation if they did it with Garry telling his mum about it, rather than using it to freak Mo out, and then having her running over to Garry's place in order to apologise. I couldn't believe Charlie found the fact that Mo believed that it was the ghost of Lynne and Garry's baby funny, either.
I liked the way Garry's mum was, especially when she could tell Naomi was gay and wasn't listening to Garry when he told her not to chat up Minty. It was good to have Jim mentioning Sonia, and I liked the way that Dot wasn't going to have the immigration getting to Anya straight away, because she could see the good in her even though she initially shouted at her and was an illegal.
The Mo and the ghost baby storyline is the absolute pits. It takes Eastenders to an ever lower low, which I wouldn't have believed possible.
I know it's soap, but a load of immigration officers turning up in the middle of the night for one person, a little OTT :thumbsdow
Bit boring this week I thought! although I missed yesterdays
Yeah, I can't figure out why, if they were so worried about an immigrant being free, that they sent 2 people, but still didn't bother to show for ages. Jim phoned them when it was still light.Quote:
Originally Posted by no1abbafan
I have enjoyed EE this week....:thumbsup:
I really thought the Dot and baby storyline would be pants, but I got a pleasant surprise...with some excellent acting as well.
The Stella storyline is also going strong as well at the mo, and I never thought Id feel sorry for the milkyway kid, but I really do! lol
Can't believe the Wicks are back :thumbsdow
And the 2007 award for overacting and hammiest performance of the year goes to Dave Hill as Bert Atkinson.:clap:
And what was all that red make up round his eyes all about? And why the sudden deterioration in his eyesight? Have the scriptwriters bothered to research glaucoma at all?
I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
What a waste of the undoubted talent of the great June Brown to have her involved is a rubbishly thought out and written storyline like this. She is capable of so much more than this dross they have given her. Still being the consummate actress that she is she manages to struggle through.
Well done June Brown:clap:
Shame on the writers, producers and storyliners of this absolute NONSENSE:nono:
It wasn't sudden.. he was told he had glaucoma weeks and weeks ago and he did nothing about itQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Having not seen the episode I can't comment on Bert, but...what I will say is that a good friend of mine had no real eyesight problems apart from her short sightedness. Suddenly within a very short while, she had excruciating pains shooting through her eye, was rushed to hospital where the pressure was checked. She was found to have glaucoma and the pressure level in one of the eyes was found to be at a very dangerous level, enough where she could have lost her sight in that eye. She had to undergo pressure relieving treatment, then the laser surgery afterwards which managed to save it, although the other eye was also treated to ensure the same didn't happen then. And this happened within a month or so. Her optician has seen that problems were afoot a month prior, had prescribed her eye drops, which she failed to use, not realising the importance of it and this was the result. I think I remember seeing Bert walking out of an opticians appointment when something similar was being explained to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Like I say, I didn't see EE (I don't bother anymore tbh after watching since the first episodes) but glaucoma can come on very quickly in that sense, if you ignore opticians/specialist advice.
I really enjoyed last night's episode. Hazel is such a brilliant character - i really hope she becomes a permanent addition to the cast! I loved her talk with Minty over Garry's bladder! :D Hazel's scenes with Garry and Minty were my favourite scenes last night.
I really enjoyed the Bert/Jay scenes as well, poor Bert..i'm feeling really sorry for him. The kid who plays Jay, i think is a really good actor though.
I didnt catch it last night, mum and dad wanted university challenge instead.
I was watching an episode from early last year earlier, and noticed that Pauline sprayed Bert in the eye with some form of cleaning product. Bert's condition must come from the pressure building up on the inside of the eye, so maybe they're going to somehow bring in that Pauline had something to do with it.
I can't believe they've got rid of Hazel - she's been better in a week that a lot of the other characters have in a year.
I don't think getting cleaning product in your eye causes glaucoma somehow Kim - its a medical condition:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I know sometimes the EE research isn't at its best, but I can't see even them blaming Pauline Fowler for Berts medical conditionQuote:
What is glaucoma?
Glaucoma is a range of conditions in which the pressure inside the eye becomes too high. It is important that the doctor checks the back of the eye for evidence of any damage.
Glaucoma is not one disorder but a range of conditions in which the pressure inside the eye becomes too high. This results in damage to the optic nerve at the back of the eye which can lead to loss of vision if left untreated. Glaucoma is one of the most common causes of blindness worldwide.
How does glaucoma develop?
There is a constant flow of fluid through the eye. The flow into and out of the eye is carefully monitored in order to ensure that the eye maintains its round shape and does not become too hard or too soft.
This fluid is called the aqueous humour. It is secreted into the eye from an area behind the iris (the coloured part of the eye) and flows around through the pupil and drains out of the eye through several microscopic channels.
Glaucoma usually develops when this flow of fluid becomes obstructed and there is a build-up of pressure within the eye.
There are two main sub-groups of glaucoma:
* primary open angle glaucoma (formerly known as chronic simple glaucoma) is a slowly progressive condition which occurs when the tiny microscopic drainage channels gradually become blocked.
* primary angle closure glaucoma (also known as closed angle or acute glaucoma) occurs much more rapidly when the flow of fluid inside the eye cannot pass through the pupil, causing a rapid rise in pressure inside the eye.
There are other types of glaucoma which are much rarer and can be caused by a variety of reasons:
* inflammation inside the eye (uveitis or iritis).
* the growth of new vessels inside the eye, which may occur in connection with diabetes or after blood vessel blockage at the back of the eye.
* treatment with certain medicines (eg corticosteroids).
* following an eye injury.
* other rare abnormalities affecting the structure of the eye.
Funny how Bert's eye was dark red at the start, almost back to normal at the station, but back to dark red by the time he went to the Vic. :hmm:
As for the rest:
More Wicks/Deano. :thumbsdow
More Dolly/Gary/Minty. :thumbsdow
Pretty awful.
seems like i havn't missed much ritchie,keep forgetting to watch and meanig to give enders a spin to see if its improved any but thought i'd wait till sunday but then the footie takes over the reason i stopped watching in the first place about 2 months ago was the wicks ,foxes,boring bert, shirly,berts annoying grandson to name a few and they kept hogging the screen seems they still are,just wondered if its worth watching 2 hours of rubbish for 10 minutes entertainment,also it really annoys me when strangers turn up and someone just takes them in,someone else gives em a job and everyone stops and chats to them all in their first week
So that was it..... Gary's mom is gone, gee I thought it might have lasted longer, I mean the Wicks brought in SHIRLEY,, why can't Garry keep his mom around a bit longer, should liven up Walford on Karaokee nights , with Garys mom doing her Dolly Parton impersonations :hmm: :lol:
I am still awaiting for the gripping and edge of the seat episodes we have been promised....:searchme:
I thought it was a brilliant episode tonight. I loved the chat between Kevin, Phil and Max. It was really great viewing and what i loved was that some topical issues were raised as the smoking ban coming into force was mentioned, as was the issue of puberty. There was also some light hearted stuff in there with that joke that Phil told at the beginning of the episode. I loved the fact that this was juxtaposed to the Stella/Ben stuff which i found very disturbing.
This abuse storyline is being handled brilliantly. I found it quite uncomfortable to watch actually as Stella was planting negative thoughts in Ben's mind and the pinching game was just horrible. We also saw marks on Ben's arm which showed that Stella has already physically abused Ben, but us viewers haven't been aware of it, and this is how the disturbing atmosphere was brought across a lot more for me.
I also loved the use of pathetic fallacy (yep learnt it in GCSE Drama) where the weather was used to reflect happenings in scenes, so in this episode, it was the thunder with the scenes between Stella and Ben which added a lot more to the scarier atmosphere.
I didn't like Max's speech though about "rowdy teenage boys"...he's getting it on with Stacey Slater for goodness sake!
Overall a brilliant episode though, really enjoyed it. :)
I thought it was brilliant as well - all of it. The stuff with Phil, Max and Kevin, the Stella/Ben stuff and the thunderstorm as you so rightly said bing pathetic fallacy. The problem is that Ben lied about Stella hitting him before so nobody willbelieve him now. Its strange but at first Ben was horrible to Stella when she made an effort with him - turning the stove up for example and pretending it was her and she did nothing in those days. Now Ben is the one trying to be ice and Stella is the ne turning psycho. I wonder if Stella would have done that if Ben hadn't treated her badly to begin with.
Kevin's guess was a good one but though that isn't the explanation I doubt Ben has begun puberty as he is only 11. I wonder why he covered himself up then when Phil came in and why he is distancing from Phil. I can't wait to see what happens tomorrow. It's silly for Max to be so uptight over them just holding hands - it wasn't even as though they were kissing - not that that mtters of course. Anyway what a hypocrite - look at him and Stacey.
I think Ben covered himself up when Phil came in because he didn't want him to see his bruises. We know about the ones on his arm now and how he got them, but he could have others elsewhere that we aren't aware of yet.
How did Jimbo die? I remember Kevin talking about it a while back but I don't recall any of the details.
While I wouldn't go so far as to say last night's episode was brilliant, I think it was the best for a long time with some real issues being discussed and the cut away bits to Stella and Ben were good too.
If they can keep going they might get back to the good old days. Sadly however we will soon be back to Max and Stacey, Dot and the baby, Garry and Minty, "the loveable clowns", etc. etc. and it'll all have been just a one-off.
That was one of the great episodes. It worked on so many levels. OK the thunderstorm was a bit melodramatic, but it did add to the atmosphere.
After a day when everyone was complaining about Phil Daniel's acting I felt he put in probably his best performance since joining the soap. Such a wise, experienced Dad, dishing out great advice - and getting it so wrong. If only he had understood what the problem really was. Then we had Max with his double standards being completely misinterpreted. It was also good to hear Phil try to explain things from his point of view. So many crossed wires - the dramatic irony was in overdrive.
Meanwhile upstairs Stella was quite simply terrifying. Ben's bruises were shocking and I'm glad they didn't go so far as to show Stella actually hurting Ben - it's enough to know that she is.
I noticed that after the program they posted a link to a help line. This bullying story is at such a pitch now that I feel the BBC need to do more to explain why they are doing this story. I know on the website they have interviews and explanations but the vast majority of viewers won't see that. They could do more to encourage youngsters to speak out if they find themselves in this kind of situation.
Small point. After closing time Phil and Max were paying Phil for their drinks. Isn't that a bit illegal or have the regulations relaxed now?