Andy Sugden

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

I'm conflicted as to whether he'd try and get away with it. From his anger and his publicly known opinion on Robert, does anyone else think he'd admit it if he did do it.

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We must remember that Andy wasn't in a good place or state of mind when he decided to voluntarily check-in to the mental health unit on September 25th. There were signs that he has wanted Robert dead for quite some time. It seems unlikely to me that Andy would fully recover from his mental health problems after having been in the mental health unit for just several days. Right now, we don't know what Andy was going to tell Pete when they were sitting by the lakeside this past week on 8th October. If Andy was ready to tell Pete something like involvement with Robert's shooting then just imagine what could come out from Andy after a few pints in the Woolpack to any nearby witnesses under the right circumstances? When people say "I did that because I was drunk", what they really mean is that they did that when they were drunk, and it only came out because they were uninhibited then but it was inside them waiting to come out eventually. Similarly, if Andy sometime gets hypnotherapy or similar treatment who knows what could come out from him then? Andy has previous bad history and problems anyway. He killed his step-mother in a barn fire (in about 2000) and was also a passenger in a car joy-riding incident in which his school headteacher (also female) was killed. Andy also beat up girlfriend Jo Stiles. He also had a breakdown and lost his farm, eventually becoming a labourer for Butler's Farm and working for the Bartons. Andy has many issues, maybe not least of which is that he is not a Sugden by birth or bloodline but is a fostered child, real name Andy Hopworth. Is it any wonder then that he and Robert Sugden have issues even to the present day, when all he seems to see is that Robert has managed to outdo Andy and to do well for himself and to seemingly take everything from Andy that Andy has ever managed to get for himself in life? Andy and Robert are two opposites really. Andy is the local lad happy to settle with a wife and kids whereas Robert forever wants more and bigger and better things. As such, a clash between their personalities seems inevitable, even if means a head-to-head battle to the death.

If Andy did set something up by phone from the mental health unit on Thursday September 25th to someone's mobile phone then there would maybe be a record of this in the phone network to surface in due course. History shows that there are not many (or any?) secrets in Emmerdale which last forever, and every secret there seems to come out eventually.

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Andy Sugden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Sugden

Another thing about Andy. He said "if he did it" when they were talking about Lawrence. I'm pretty sure he said something similar the other day aswell.

I took it from the dialogue that Andy did something on that night that will be one of the two things revealed on that night in addition to the identity of the shooter.

His alibi for the night seemed watertight (I doubt he would be able to get someone to say that he was at a mental health unit if he wasn't, not without the police seeing through it.) I think his involvement in Robert's shooting will be putting someone else (another villager) up to it at the most, but I'm not sure he had the power to do that unless he knew something about Robert and told it to the person who would be bothered by it. Didn't Robert call a hit on Chas a while ago and then cancel it? Do any of the characters know about that? Does Andy have any money to pay anyone to shoot Robert?

I can't see it being a random hitman in any case. Emmerdale have already tricked the audience once this year in making the viewers believe that Ross was dead. They will have seen the criticism EastEnders got for Lucy's killer being absent from the list of suspects.

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Originally Posted by Dalesfan

Another thing about Andy. He said "if he did it" when they were talking about Lawrence. I'm pretty sure he said something similar the other day aswell.

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It seems like it really was Angry Andy for all of last week and even before then! (I do prefer Angry Andy to Goofy Grin Andy anytime though! lol!)

I think every Andy scene last week showed him angry, so much for the effectiveness of his stay at the mental health unit. Andy didn't restart work at Butlers Farm until Wednesday 7th and even then he didn't seem ready for that. His anger on the Thursday 8th motocross ride was very clear. I really wonder what he was going to say to Pete before Finn showed up to check on how both Pete and Andy were when they were at the lakeside?

Friday 2nd October
In the Woolpack
Chas: He must have hated him so much.
Aaron: Robert had that effect on people.
Chas: Yeah, but, Lawrence? I just can't picture it.
Aaron: Maybe that's cos you were picturing someone else?
Chas: No. It's cos he's an old man.
Aaron: Right, well how hard is it to pull a trigger?
Chas: I wouldn't know.
Aaron: I'm just saying. Stuff like that happens to Robert for a reason.
Victoria: What reason would that be? You reckon he deserves it?
Aaron: I bet I'm not the only one thinking it.
Victoria: Oh and you've been such a great influence on him, haven't you, you hypocrite. Tell you what, when he wakes up he's gonna know who his friends are. And aren't.
Doug: What was all that about? I'm just saying. What a family, eh? Lachlan, his mum, and now Lawrence. Lawrence? Hard to believe.
Victoria: Well, the police believe it.
Andy: Has he definitely been charged?
Doug: He's confessed.
Andy: It doesn't mean he did it.
Victoria: Ah, well, while you you sit here being all open-minded, I am gonna go and visit 'our brother'. I wondered if you wanted to come?
Andy: No.
Victoria: Andy, please. It'll do him good to know that you've bin. It'll do you'se both good.
Andy: The only thing doing me good is Robert not waking up.
[Andy leaves pub]

Tuesday 6th October
Andy eating breakfast in the cafe.
Ashley: Diane tells me there's no change with Robert. I can mention him in my prayers at the same time.
Andy: You having a laff?
Ashley: Ah, um! Sorry, I, I didn't think. I mean I know that things are very difficult for you at the moment...
Andy: He's scum. The lowest of the low. You can pray for him to die if you like. Otherwise, I'd save your breath.
[Andy walks out of the cafe, leaving his breakfast unfinished.]

Wednesday 7th October
Andy is at Debbie's house when Diane calls round.
Diane: I need to talk to you about your brother. They're going to try to bring him out of his coma tomorrow. I know you don't want to be there but I thought I'd better tell you because...the rest of the family's going.
Andy: Well the only people that need to be there when he comes around are the police, so they can arrest him for what he's done to Katie.
[Andy walks out of Debbie's house, leaving Diane upset.]

Thursday 8th October
The private kitchen at the Woolpack
Diane: Are you sure that you don't mind covering for the supplies meetings?
Chas: Don't be daft. Go! Be with Robert.
Diane: He'll be starting to come around in a bit.
Chas: That's great, Diane. Are the police there?
Diane: Not that I'm aware of.
Chas, Well, they must wanna know from Robert that Lawrence shot him, surely?
[Andy walks in to deliver meat from Butlers Farm]
Andy: He even did it.
Chas: If? He confessed, didn't he?
Diane: Oh, let's not start this again. Robert will set us straight soon enough.
Andy: Meat's in the kitchen.
Diane: He'll be confused at first and scared too. If you're there with me and Vic it'll help.
Andy: I'm not going. He killed my wife.
Diane: You're the only one that thinks that. It's not for nothing that you checked yourself into that unit. Your head's all over the shop. Surely, you must see that there's room for doubt. He needs his family when he comes to.
Andy: Well I'm not his family.

Thursday 8th October
Andy and Victoria are in the Butlers Farm kitchen
Victoria: Andy, please come with me.
Andy: Why? When Robert opens his eyes I just wanna be closing them again.

Aaron and Andy have both been acting very strangely lately. I think they're doing the round of every suspect acting suspiciously in turn before they reveal who shot him.

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Originally Posted by Telly Watcher

What did Andy mean when he said \\\\"Pete, you should know what I've done...\\\\" (about Robert?)?

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Looks like the Andy/Pete conversation from the lakeside on Thursday 8th October carries on during the Monday 12th October episode when Pete is told how Andy nearly killed his step-father by accidentally shooting him (shown in the 18th May 2004 episode).

So Pete and Andy are going to have a bromance, with Andy being a substitute for Ross with Pete and Pete being a substitute for Robert with Andy.

Robert's shooting storyline has been so intense that anything said during an episode now becomes suspected of being shooting-related! lol

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...t-to-pete.html

Emmerdale's Kelvin Fletcher: 'I'm not worried after Andy shooting reveal'

By Daniel Kilkelly
Thursday, Oct 22 2015, 21:00 BST

Emmerdale star Kelvin Fletcher has admitted that he won't waste time worrying about his future in the show after the shocking events of Thursday night's special episode.

The ITV soap's 'rewind' edition revealed that Fletcher's character Andy Sugden was partly to blame for his brother Robert's shooting, recruiting bad boy Ross Barton to carry out the crime on his behalf.

Andy also agreed to return the favour by killing Ross's brother Pete, although viewers will have to keep watching to discover how he feels about the secret pact four weeks on.

Asked whether he's worried that Andy's dark turn puts a shelf life on the character, Fletcher replied: "I don't know - ultimately I have my philosophy on life, which is that you can't waste time worrying about things that are not in your control.

"It might mean your days are numbered, but it's an opportunity to showcase what little talent you may have. As an actor, those opportunities and those glimpses are what you strive for.

"It's an opportunity for the writers and for everybody else. I don't spend any days worrying and that's not because I am ignorant - it's just that if it's going to happen then it's going to happen."

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Pete and Andy

Andy has grown closer to Pete in recent weeks as they bonded over their respective family problems. However, viewers have also seen him hesitate before saving Pete when his fellow farmer suffered a shock cliffside accident.

Fletcher continued: "You can see the dilemma that Andy is in. Pete is a good bloke and Andy was an usher at his wedding. Ross's situation is nowhere near as bad as Andy's, because his brother is not that bad.

"Let's not forget that Andy's heart is good and he is a genuine, sensitive person, but ultimately he's in a dark place regarding Robert. Ross has manipulated his emotions to get him to agree, but he has agreed knowing full well what it will mean. That shows what he thinks of Robert and how prepared he is to get rid of him."

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Andy and Pete bond over their family woes

The actor also stressed that he doesn't think Andy would ever have pulled the trigger on Robert himself.

"I don't think he would, no," he explained. "I guess that's the dynamic between them. I don't think Andy could because he'd be looking at his brother, who he still loves really. With everything that is good in his life there is a connection with Robert, but there's also a connection with everything that is bad.

"I would like to think that Andy wouldn't have the courage if it actually came to it. He is not a dark character like Ross, which is good as it shows balance to the show - we are all different."

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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...ng-reveal.html

Emmerdale spoilers: Ross Barton is exposed as Robert Sugden’s shooter – but what happens next?

Duncan Lindsay for Metro.co.uk
Thursday 22 Oct 2015 8:59 pm

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Emmerdale really knows how to portray brotherly love.

Their flashback episode has just revealed to viewers that Andy was behind the shooting of his sibling Robert. But it wasn’t his own finger which pulled the trigger. He adopted the services of rent-a-thug Ross Barton – who in turn wanted Andy to deal with HIS hated brother.

Families eh?

To be fair to Andy, Ross was very much the driving force behind the double murder pact – which is a bit of a soap first.

But, with Ross having (kind of) seen his side of the bargain through, what now for Andy? Ross is now expecting him to have killed Pete and is furious to return and discover that actually, they’re not getting on so badly.

It does fill in a few gaps however – like why Andy was so sure that both Aaron and Lawrence were innocent and why he hesitated for so long in saving Pete after the motorbike incident.

Checking in to a mental health ward, Andy has the perfect alibi – but it’s poor Aaron who is looking at a lengthy jail service.

And let’s not forget that Ross doesn’t forget anything. While Andy is adamant that the deal is off because Ross didn’t successfully kill Robert, Ross isn’t going to see things that way.

Speaking about Andy’s motives for wanting Robert dead, Kelvin Fletcher spoke to Metro.co.uk and others at a recent press event. He discussed the Ross twist, pondering: ‘You can see the dilemma Andy is in, Pete is a good bloke. Let’s not forget that Andy’s heart is good, he is a genuine sensitive person but ultimately, he is in a dark place regarding Robert.

The fact he takes on this pact, and agrees to do it – Ross has manipulated his emotions to get him to agree, but he has agreed knowing full well what it will mean. This shows what he thinks of Robert and how prepared he is to get rid of Robert.’

He added: ‘He doesn’t see a way out and feels like he owes it to Katie really, but this was a time when he was his happiest ever and it all clicked into place and Robert has taken it all away from him, but there is a deep love for Robert even though they are not biological brothers and that’s what makes it even more complex.

‘This person he can look at and still forgive and forget and want to move on, but this time he just can’t, the police don’t believe him, his family don’t, the only way he can get a conclusion is to take matters into his own hands.’

Kelvin hinted to us that Andy will live to regret his pact when Ross eventually returns.

He said: ‘I think he is scared of what lengths Ross will go to – he has children, I think Ross references them a couple of times as a threat, so there is a whole host of things Ross is prepared to do, not just physically – mental things – and is it worth the struggle? Andy is scared of the implications of the original agreement and if it gets out, does he get arrested? Go to prison? So ultimately he is now in a worse situation.’

Discussing his own entrance into the long running storyline, Mike Parr, who plays Ross, told us: ‘I was nervous when Kate [Oates, producer] said, “You shoot him”. I was like “My days in this show are numbered then” and then she gave me foresight that I can’t disclose right now.

‘You know that soap has to have this moral justice – characters have to have a comeuppance or what does that say to our audience? I was worried, but with this, if he [Robert] is getting away with killing Katie, hopefully I am getting away with shooting him!’

But Mike is prepared for the outcome not to go down well with viewers, despite his own massive fanbase. He said: ‘I am going to have all the Robron fans going “I can’t believe you have done this to my dream!” I am expecting there to be lots of backlash which I really love, I like to pull them in, doing the affectionate scenes, then it is nice to push them away.

‘There was a point where I thought, it doesn’t matter what I do at the minute, everybody seems to just be going, cheering for Ross, hopefully this will push them away and remind people I am meant to be a villain, so maybe I was doing my job wrong before.’

Pondering on what might lie in store for Andy, Mike added: ‘You can’t spell cross without saying Ross. He is going to put the heat on Andy. He genuinely thinks he has killed someone so what is that going to have done to his mental state, will he be in a worse state when he comes back to the village and all the truth comes out? It is not going to be good for anybody.’

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http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/22/emmerd...-next-5449462/

I knew Andy was up to something. Going to be interesting seeing how this plays out now

Andy decides to let everyone know the truth about his relationship with Chrissie, so he broaches the subject with Robert, who's pretty stunned. But it's not Rob that the Sugden stud has to worry about: it's Lawrence, who's angry and plotting revenge, thinking Andy's having an affair with Bernice! Will he [Lawrence] realise his mistake in time?!

all about soap. fortnight ending 8 April 2016

Emmerdale airs these scenes around Tue 5 April.