Jake Heaven

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Originally Posted by Babe14

That's a good thought:) Then on the other hand Jakey and Danny aren't nana's immediate family so would she know very much except what she has been told?
Johnny may know a little more as Jakey and Danny have worked for him for a while..maybe Johnny knows a lot more than we think. Perhaps he knew the mother very well (Re Jakey)..

(Tell you what we're setting a few rumours about! LOL Jakey's family)

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In the episode where Jake and Danny were missing Nana said something like "They never were ones for getting up early were they?" Which could mean that Jake and Danny stayed with Alfie, Nana and Spencer for a while when they were kids after Alfie's parents had died.

Oo, more issues for Johnny and Jake -- especially if Johnny also knew the father (my theory is that the dad used to work for Johnny, and Johnny had a little fun with the missus while the dad was away) and knew some of what was going on, let it go on, to then find out Jake is his son.

Hee, there'll be rumours about Jake and Johnny next, lol.

I think it would be interesting with Johnny and Jake, but they wouldn't get on at first. You don't think Jake's mum could have been one of Johnny's girls?
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Originally Posted by Jake_Moon_Rox

I think it would be interesting with Johnny and Jake, but they wouldn't get on at first. You don't think Jake's mum could have been one of Johnny's girls?
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Now there's an idea, :eek:

Thought: Maybe this is why Tina leaves, all this coming out. Johnny's past as a pimp, him having fathered Jake etc.

That would all add up..mum vanished into thin air, father turned to drink.

Storyline for Pat: Mum turns up in the square, Pat recognises her as one of Johnny's girls, as Pat used to be the "Madame", Pat not realising that she is Jake's mum..Pat/Jake/Johnny/Mum Storyline..see Joel interacts very nicely.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

That would all add up..mum vanished into thin air, father turned to drink.

Storyline for Pat: Mum turns up in the square, Pat recognises her as one of Johnny's girls, as Pat used to be the "Madame", Pat not realising that she is Jake's mum..Pat/Jake/Johnny/Mum Storyline..see Joel interacts very nicely.

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There could also be the idea that the only reason Mum married the father was because of Jake -- she knew Johnny wouldn't marry her, and the father was there, she convinced him the baby was his and they got married. He turns out to be far from the ideal father and husband, but things aren't as bad as they could be. They have Danny to try and 'save' the marriage, ie, make it more like a real family. That doesn't work, father gets worse, so she absconds.

There could be some resentment from Mum towards Jake, that she feels having Jake ruined her life, that that was there all her problems started from. Yes, my image of the mother is that she is a very selfish, self-absorbed person, but at the same time you can feel a vaguest sense of pity for her.

I like your theory:)

My image of the mum is
Someone whose been on the game all her life, started by the fact that her and Jake's/Danny's father were hard up, in debt, and this was the only way she could think of to bring money into the house for her family,(encouraged by Johnny who had Alison sleeping with him as and when he wanted it) only the dad didn't know. One day he found out that she was on the game, kicked her out, turned to drink and ended up taking it all out on the boys as Alison (Mum) was the love of his life, she was HIS life...

Is it really only just over three weeks...*pine* *Pine*

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Originally Posted by Babe14

Is it really only just over three weeks...*pine* *Pine*

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:lol: I know how you feel.

I too think the reason the dad turned to drink and turned against the boys is because of Alison leaving (Dad's name is Bobby, yes?)

It would be interesting if Pat did recognise Alison, especially if Jake was working in the bookies and him and Pat had struck up a friendship, because then she'd have loyalties in all directions: Jake, Johnny (her former boss who she seems to have reached an understanding with), Tina (who would also be affected by Johnny's past and who is very good friends with Pat) or with Alison, one of the girls Pat always liked to think of herself as helping. Does she tell Jake what she knows or not? It would be a brilliant storyline.

Also there could be an added twist that Alison was the girl that Pat helped on her 21st birthday when a back street abortion went wrong..

Yes Dad is Bobby.

I think that Jake will prob know a bit about what his mum did. Even though he was very young when she left and Danny was just a ?baby?, he remembers the rows and things he overheard..even could have poss followed her one night, therefore a reason for Alison not to have been mentioned...or something more sinister.

Or his opinion of his mother could have been twisted by his father - Bobby wouldn't let them mention or, or let Alison see them, and twisted everything so it was all down to her, wheras he was the hard done by as he was now a single dad raising the boys.

My image of her is also that she was never much of mother anyway -- she just let Jake run wild, looked after Danny but not really in the sense of playing with him or anything just the basic feeding, bathing and putting to bed.


It would be so great if this all happened -- all this dark history and Jake and Danny stuck in the middle of it all not really standing a chance.

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

Or his opinion of his mother could have been twisted by his father - Bobby wouldn't let them mention or, or let Alison see them, and twisted everything so it was all down to her, wheras he was the hard done by as he was now a single dad raising the boys.

My image of her is also that she was never much of mother anyway -- she just let Jake run wild, looked after Danny but not really in the sense of playing with him or anything just the basic feeding, bathing and putting to bed.


It would be so great if this all happened -- all this dark history and Jake and Danny stuck in the middle of it all not really standing a chance.

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I'm having a real problem at the moment between what is really going to happen and what we have made up (Like to happen) LOL Like I keep thining oh great that's coming up soon then I remember that it's something we've been speculating about. It's the same when someone asks me what's going to happen LOL:lol:

They should just get us to write all of Jakey's storylines :lol:

I mean, this storyline - it could take weeks for everything to come out properly, and the aftermath...well, it could go on forever. :eek: And in between it all a nice romance with Dawn Miller or another girl trying to support Jakey but not really understanding what this all means for him. And then the family ties it would set up -- Johnny as Jake's real father, Ruby as his half-sister, then his Mum's possible new family, as well as the rest of the Moons who he would still have a tie with despite not really being a Moon.

I'm quite disappointed that this isn't actually going to happen *sulk*

You never know.. and I think we have just written about five years worth of storylines for Jakey (Joel)!

(I think this thread has become "Ours" as no one else seems to be posting LOL)

The mother storyline can go on and on.. lets see how many we've created and which characters we have involved so far:

Pat, The Allens plus Tina, The Millers..Possibly introduced three new characters

we could add Dennis, a childhood sweetheart (sorry but I'm really hooked on that one another mystery and Huge storyline like the Mum) and guess who is the link in them all JAKEY (JOEL) who will of course play a huge central role in them all..
Not forgetting the Chrissie exit, escape or helping her to fake her own death..

I've totally gone off Jakey and Chrissie together, don't know why just have. Guess it's prob to do with the fact that I've been thinking so far ahead..

Yes we should defo be hired for the Jakey storylines..poor Joel he'll be traumatised and well knackered..of course we'll have to have a few "Naked" Jakey scenes as well. Jeans, "Gangster" coat, suit...drool..drool (xtra drool for jeans)

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Originally Posted by Babe14

You never know.. and I think we have just written about five years worth of storylines for Jakey (Joel)!

(I think this thread has become "Ours" as no one else seems to be posting LOL)

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I know, :lol:

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I've totally gone off Jakey and Chrissie together, don't know why just have. Guess it's prob to do with the fact that I've been thinking so far ahead..

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I still like Jake and Chrissie, but I suppose when he returns it'll depend how she reacts and how everything goes on from there whether I'll still like it -- I think they'll be far from the innocent flirting and going out on dates. I also think that even if you're a fan of a couple, there's always one of the characters where'll you'll see their point of view before the other - so even though I still like Chrissie, I'd put Jake's side of things before hers.

Chrissie is far too devious and I wouldn't trust her. I still think she loves Den and always will and therefore won't be able to give Jakey the love he deserves. I feel pretty certain that Jakey loves Chrissie but is he actually IN love with her. Like you said we'l have more of an idea when he returns. However I don't think that Jakey is going to be too happy with Chrissie when he gets back...

(P.S. I want to see your posts at 1000+ today)

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Originally Posted by Babe14

(P.S. I want to see your posts at 1000+ today)

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So do I! I keep watching the wee counter like "Come on, come on," :lol:


Thought of another event that could happen in the Mum storyline, it could happen just as Jake is slowly coming around to the idea of forgiving Johnny, if Johnny and Alison rekindled the flames of passion or whatever. (Even though I doubt their affair was about passion.)

I don't think Chrissie would ever do anything intentionally to hurt Jakey, but I do think she's going to end up hurting him unintentionally, either by the fact that he finds out what she did or by her leaving.

I have a feeling that Jakey may find out about Den via the papers and this is how he comes back, although it could be Nana that brings him back.

I'd prefer Jakey not to be involved with Johnny again, but then if it does turn out that Johnny is his dad, would Jakey really be able to turn his back on him?

(I know the feeling (Re 1000) my last five posts were painful) LOL

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I don't think Chrissie would ever do anything intentionally to hurt Jakey, but I do think she's going to end up hurting him unintentionally, either by the fact that he finds out what she did or by her leaving.

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I'm not so sure I feel that Chrissie is changing.

I think he'd want to turn his back on Johnny (and probably Alison) altogether, but like you said, he does have very strong ideas about family, so I don't know if he'd be able to.

When Jakey returns I'd like to see a slight change in his character, I'd like him to be colder and harder emotionally, not permanently just for a while. There again I think that this would be more fitting after Chrissie leaves..then he could have a few one night stands (not Danny style) the women could come onto him I.E Dawn Miller and the one I want:)

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I think he'd want to turn his back on Johnny (and probably Alison) altogether, but like you said, he does have very strong ideas about family, so I don't know if he'd be able to.

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I think he could because of the hurt and betrayal he will be feeling. The fact that the mother left both him and Danny at the mercy of an abusive father, family betrayal, affair with Johnny etc.. In Jake's eyes it could well be a case of that "line" has been crossed.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

When Jakey returns I'd like to see a slight change in his character, I'd like him to be colder and harder emotionally, not permanently just for a while. There again I think that this would be more fitting after Chrissie leaves..then he could have a few one night stands (not Danny style) the women could come onto him I.E Dawn Miller and the one I want:)

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When he first came into it he was slightly harder, and then as they stayed longer I think we got to see more of the real Jakey where he was more open. I think while he's been away he'll have reverted back to type, back to doing dodgy things. I think it took a lot for him to open up to Chrissie, and explain about his dad and about Danny, and I don't think he'd ever done that before. So even though it wasn't opening up that hurt him, he still got hurt, so I think he'll be closed off. *hugs Jakey* :(

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Originally Posted by Babe14

I think he could because of the hurt and betrayal he will be feeling. The fact that the mother left both him and Danny at the mercy of an abusive father, family betrayal, affair with Johnny etc.. In Jake's eyes it could well be a case of that "line" has been crossed.

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It'd be interesting to see how Jake would react -- would he turn his back but take it in his stride, or just hit rockbottom. I think this could also be the catalyst for his own big reaction to his childhood -- Danny's had his, I want to see Jake's (although obviously not on the same scale that Danny's was.)

Although Jakey never really told Chrissie what the dad did, did he? They were running it with Danny shouting off in the club about what the father actually did..I agree that Jakey would have had to do ddogy again to survive I love the "Bad" boy streak in him and hope it stays.I think Jakey was beginning to put some of that faith in Chrissie that he said he didn't put in anyone..

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Originally Posted by Babe14

Although Jakey never really told Chrissie what the dad did, did he? They were running it with Danny shouting off in the club about what the father actually did..I agree that Jakey would have had to do ddogy again to survive I love the "Bad" boy streak in him and hope it stays.I think Jakey was beginning to put some of that faith in Chrissie that he said he didn't put in anyone..

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I wondered at the time whether they trying to vaguely suggest other abuse. When Jake was talking it doesn't take a huge leap to get to physical abuse. Not that that's a good thing, but at the same time it was obvious what Chrissie thought, so why didn't Jake confirm that's what it was. Could Danny's line of "And it used to take him 10 minutes to get that belt off," have another meaning? *hopes not*


ETA: I'm onto the painful last 5 posts.

No I don't think they were sexually abused only physically beaten. What I think was meant when Danny said it used to take him 10 mins to get that belt off was that the father used to beat them with it. I suppose the father could of mentally abused the boys too by telling them everything was there fault and they were no good..

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Originally Posted by Babe14

No I don't think they were sexually abused only physically beaten. What I think was meant when Danny said it used to take him 10 mins to get that belt off was that the father used to beat them with it. I suppose the father could of mentally abused the boys too by telling them everything was there fault and they were no good..

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I did think that's what Danny meant. Just found it odd that Jake was willing to tell Chrissie about the foster homes, about always being sent back to his dad and about the way Danny would depend on him, but deliberately avoiding the question of what exactly the dad did, when it was obvious Chrissie was thinking physical abuse anyway. I got the impression that there was something Jake was going to keep to himself no matter what -- whether it was just very extreme physical abuse, mental abuse, or the longshot of sexual abuse. :searchme:

or maybe he felt that he wasn't ready to talk about it yet or there could be more to it. Or did Jakey end up standing up to the dad and things turned nasty..is he still alive?

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Originally Posted by Babe14

or maybe he felt that he wasn't ready to talk about it yet or there could be more to it. Or did Jakey end up standing up to the dad and things turned nasty..is he still alive?

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That would be interesting...maybe he has a little more in common with Chrissie than everyone thinks. Or maybe Danny did something. Another fire perhaps?

Danny has set fire to things in the past. Remember when they were talking and Jakey said about whne they were ten all having a laugh and Danny went and torched a car?

I sort of like the idea of Jakey turning on his dad after he severley beat them both and him accidentally killing his dad..but there again I don't know. Then I could actually see Jakey losing it if he was pushed far enough..

I don't know, it might seem kinda sensationalist, if they went down that route.

I think something had to have happened - there'd have been a few years between Jake being old enough to live by himself and Danny being able to. I can't see the dad letting Jake live with them when his eyes he didn't have to, and I can't see Jake leaving Danny to fend for himself. And in the eyes of the authorities Jake couldn't look after Danny himself. I think they spend a few years on the streets, maybe the dad dragged Danny back a few times. Maybe that's why they fell in with Johnny - so they'd have some sort of protection from their dad.

I think that they definitely ended up on the streets at some point maybe after one broken home to many. Maybe when they were sent back to the dad again for the umphteenth time Jakey just thought that's it I've had enough and packed his and Danny's bags.

And of course the rest of the family still didn't seem them as their problem. Didn't Alfie go the prison for their credit card fraud or something, or am I making that up? Was that maybe he was of making up for not doing more?

Thinking of various ways Jake could come back, I thought of another one: If Danny does mess up again and Jake gets hurt in the crossfire, maybe Alfie basically drags them apart. After all this time I can't see either going voluntarily - in fact I think after what happened in Walford, it's just going to get worse - Jake's going to be trying to stop that happening again.





Ooo...1'000. :cheer:

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

And of course the rest of the family still didn't seem them as their problem. Didn't Alfie go the prison for their credit card fraud or something, or am I making that up? Was that maybe he was of making up for not doing more?

Thinking of various ways Jake could come back, I thought of another one: If Danny does mess up again and Jake gets hurt in the crossfire, maybe Alfie basically drags them apart. After all this time I can't see either going voluntarily - in fact I think after what happened in Walford, it's just going to get worse - Jake's going to be trying to stop that happening again.





Ooo...1'000. :cheer:

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Yayyyy!! Yes Alfie did do time for credit card fraud and it was down to Danny and Jakey, that's why he wasn't very pleased to see them when they arrived in the square. See Jakey is a nughty boy when he wnats to be LOL

The only thing I can think of that would split them is the fact that Jakey has been forced to have Danny committed. Even then knowing Jakey he would want to stay close to Danny..um Joel did say it's going to be a surprise,something pretty special.

Also Quote: Fans will understand why Jake did what he did and for the first time in his life abandons his brother...

You have some good theories there:)

I want it to be something that means Jake and Danny are still close and in touch - not estranged or anything. Plus I like the idea of everything coming out about Johnny (I'm talking like this is actually going to happen now, lol) Jake going to stay with Danny for a few days to sort his head out before coming back to confront it all. I think Jakey and Danny are good for each other in small doses, just not to the extent it had gotten.

In the end Danny was running and runing Jake's life. If Danny was committed then this would be a good way for Joel to take his breaks. Jake could go and visit Danny. I think Danny's new home should be in the country somewhere say Somerset..

Jake may have to make a break from Danny, IF he has had a complete breakdown, on Dr's advice. For example Danny relies on Jake and having him around would be bad for Danny as he will never come to terms with things, deal with or face up to his past.

Yep, I think it'll be someone making them see they have to split up, either a Doctor or Alfie, rather than them seeing.

I'm also thinking maybe Jake comes back to see either Nana or Chrissie but only plans to stay a few days, but is convinced to stay. I am looking forward to another Johnny and Jake confrontation.

That's what I think too. Could be because of Nana's deteriorating health and/or the Den saga. I can't wait until Jakey says up yours Johnny I'm staying Piss off LOL

It's a shame Danny isn't coming back as well for a few episodes -- I don't want him to stay, but I want to see a goodbye between him and Jake.

Sorry but I don't want to see Danny again. Jakey will prob fill in the missing pieces when he returns:)