Coronation Street - Current Episode Discussion - V

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Originally Posted by emerald

She had a suitcase packed and ready so she knew she would have to leave him at some point; it was a matter of plucking up the courage to break free. I don't think she accepts everything he says any more, which makes their physical intimacy even creepier for me. Also she didn't leave the key lying around for Geoff to find; she just didn't know he would physically take it from her pocket. So up until last night she had some hope and but even that is gone now. Geoff has gone insane now - how is he still able to function as an easy going DJ/magician which is what everyone else knows him as?
I'm really hoping that characters like Cathy and Tim will start remembering the various incidents (Tim had to rescue her from a magician's box, for heavens sake) and start putting two and two together. Cathy in particular must know by now that something isn't right.

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She has had the suitcase packed for some time now, so as you say she must have felt in some danger and that she might need to leave in a hurry. I am disappointed that has not been able to confide in Kathy. I think this story has been well told, but think it would have been better told involving someone other than Yasmeen as it does not really gel with how she was presented to us originally.

I am not sure but I think Tim may have said that Geoff had retired as a magician, and the hospital DJing might have been a voluntary activity. Now that he works at Speed Dahl he probably has no time for these things. As frequently seems to happen nowadays I think they have re-thought his character to make him less boring. It will be interesting to see it turns out he abused Tim's mother in the past, altho' the father and son relationship would not seem to suggest this. I find it unlikely that when he met Yasmeen that he suddenly changed from being an easy going, but perhaps slightly pompous hospital DJ to this vile bully without some sort hint of similar behavior in his past history.

I'm wondering if Geoff didn't start abusing Tim's mother until after he left home, therefore he didn't know about it? They seem to have been estranged for some time, if I remember correctly and Tim may have left when he was fairly young. As you said, I don't think you just change into a horrible, sneering bully at the drop of a hat.

tough watch tonight but how is everyone against yas he locked her in with eileen watching, bought her a big dress not her style, his video secret filming will bring him down the whole truth out

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Originally Posted by lizann

tough watch tonight but how is everyone against yas he locked her in with eileen watching, bought her a big dress not her style, his video secret filming will bring him down the whole truth out

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Tough watch yes.
In fact for the first time ever I skipped forward to the end, only because I was just sick to the back teeth of this storyline.

It's been going on for so many weeks now, I just couldn't stomach any more of Yasmeen putting up with Geoff but not doing anything.
Don't get me wrong, I feel sorry for her and Geoff's an evil git, but I couldn't watch yet another episode of it.
I hope Geoff will die, but who knows, more bullsh** from him probably.

It's all very well tackling social issues, but I want to watch 'a story of everyday folk' with some humour thrown in.

In an ideal world (i.e, no Covid 19 lockdown) this storyline would have played out weeks ago. Perhaps it may have been a bit more palatable, but in a time of uncertainty, this already grim subject matter is twice as depressing, given the current situation?

To be fair, I'm sick to death of TV programmes jumping onto moral soap boxes (pun intended) and tackling any/all box ticking social problems. First and foremost, I want to be entertained, not socially conscious of the many hardships in the world.

Let's hope that come the other side of this lockdown, Coronation Street realises that it's primarily a soap opera and not a social worker. Fine if you can balance the two Acts (subtly) but not rammed down our throats at the sacrifice of it's primary obligation to entertain.

I'd love to hear the announcer over the end credits say (quote) "If you've been affected by issues raised in tonight's episode.............then perhaps you should be doing something about it, instead of watching TV all the time?"

Sorry if that sounds harsh.....but it seems that CS is going down the Brookside route in the last couple of years (and it certainly wouldn't have lasted 60 years if it started out as downbeat as it has been of recent) Let's stop expecting 'soaps' to solve all the ills of the world and enjoy them for the escapism they're meant to be?

I think even CS wanted to put this story to bed too (and as a result, last night's episode seemed edited down to *only* accommodate the Geoff/Yasmeen scenes (cut-aways, fade-outs, etc) More than likely to preserve what little remaining storyline footage they have 'In The Can' (so to speak) for latter episodes?

I've read that filming may commence soon, but that older cast members may have to take a back-seat for now...which may (confusingly) leave this current storyline oddly rushed, unfinished or just plain forgotten?

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Originally Posted by thin space man

I'd love to hear the announcer over the end credits say (quote) "If you've been affected by issues raised in tonight's episode.............then perhaps you should be doing something about it, instead of watching TV all the time?"

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Absolutely spot on. I believe the original intention of soaps were as a bit of entertaining escapist drama to get away from the cares of the world. Brookside and Eastenders put paid to all that and now Corrie is just as bad. The whole Yasmeen and Geoff episode (as a whole) has been very distasteful. The producers will say these things happen and we should be aware of them and that it help women in that situation. I can't imagine for one minute it helps women in that situation; it probably gives them nightmares. Also, what they are now saying is that the only way out of this dilemma is to kill your partner. If this is supposed to be a public service, perhaps they should have explored ways Yasmeen could have got proper help.

It is neither one thing nor the other. It is not pleasant escapist viewing, nor is it tackling a social issue in a responsible way. Very very poor television by Coronation Street.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Absolutely spot on. I believe the original intention of soaps were as a bit of entertaining escapist drama to get away from the cares of the world. Brookside and Eastenders put paid to all that and now Corrie is just as bad. The whole Yasmeen and Geoff episode (as a whole) as been very distasteful. The producers will say these things happen and we should be aware of them and that it help women in that situation. I can't imagine for one minute it helps women in that situation; it probably gives them nightmares. Also, what they are now saying is that the only way out of this dilemma is to kill your partner. If this is supposed to be a public service, perhaps they should have explored ways Yasmeen could have got proper help.

It is neither one thing nor the other. It is not pleasant escapist viewing, nor is it tackling a social issue in a responsible way. Very very poor television by Coronation Street.

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Totally agree with all this , Parkerman. It would have been much more constructive to see ways in which Yasmeen could eventually get constructive help. THAT would highlight the problem that some women face and the solution and give some sort of hope and the perpetrator gets his just desserts. I am sure he will in the end but it has just gone on too long . I used to look forward to Corrie for a form of escapism and a bit of humour with pleasant idiosyncratic characters . Not any more.

Very very uncomfortable to watch last night, and this is from someone who watches violent films and TV. I only hope that Geoff dies slowly and extremely painfully as the vile scum deserves no better.

It was Eileen's reaction that puzzled me the most, after what she saw on the street. Even if she couldn't hear what Geoff was saying, surely his whole demeanour and Yasmeen's body language should have alerted her that something was wrong, especially as she already knows about the Box Incident.

Especially as she saw him locking Yasmeen in the house.

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Originally Posted by emerald

It was Eileen's reaction that puzzled me the most, after what she saw on the street. Even if she couldn't hear what Geoff was saying, surely his whole demeanour and Yasmeen's body language should have alerted her that something was wrong, especially as she already knows about the Box Incident.

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this is eileen who believed phelan but yes she should be more wise

I'm not convinced that Eileen doesn't have a contrary view to the others in the pub yet. She did disagree with Cathy and Brian before about Yasmeen and say what she'd seen. She might come good yet!

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not convinced that Eileen doesn't have a contrary view to the others in the pub yet. She did disagree with Cathy and Brian before about Yasmeen and say what she'd seen. She might come good yet!

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lets hope eileen and peter side with yas

She sacked the Sharrif but she could not sack the Geoff...ery

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Originally Posted by thin space man

In an ideal world (i.e, no Covid 19 lockdown) this storyline would have played out weeks ago. Perhaps it may have been a bit more palatable, but in a time of uncertainty, this already grim subject matter is twice as depressing, given the current situation?

To be fair, I'm sick to death of TV programmes jumping onto moral soap boxes (pun intended) and tackling any/all box ticking social problems. First and foremost, I want to be entertained, not socially conscious of the many hardships in the world.

Let's hope that come the other side of this lockdown, Coronation Street realises that it's primarily a soap opera and not a social worker. Fine if you can balance the two Acts (subtly) but not rammed down our throats at the sacrifice of it's primary obligation to entertain.

I'd love to hear the announcer over the end credits say (quote) "If you've been affected by issues raised in tonight's episode.............then perhaps you should be doing something about it, instead of watching TV all the time?"

Sorry if that sounds harsh.....but it seems that CS is going down the Brookside route in the last couple of years (and it certainly wouldn't have lasted 60 years if it started out as downbeat as it has been of recent) Let's stop expecting 'soaps' to solve all the ills of the world and enjoy them for the escapism they're meant to be?

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I don't mind Soaps tackling social issues as long as the do so in a believable and realistic way, which more often they do not. Credibility is usually sacrificed for drama. Since Yasmeen had packed and hidden her suitcase she was probably going to leave him at some time. That time should have been when he burned her clothes. But no! She stayed hoping things would get better when she should have known they would not. That scene was contrived to get her to wear that ridiculous red dress, that he probably bought for Rachael, and then to embarrass her in the pub. She told him all her party clothes were in the case, is it likely you would pack party clothes if you were running away from an abusive husband. - Drama over reality. When the abuse story began it was subtle and not direct, Geoff framing Alya's friend for stealing the jewellery, moving on to isolating her from her Alya and convincing her she drank too much. Even the cleaning came about because of his supposed allergies, and her desire to please him. But when the abuse became more blatant and direct I thought it start to lose credibility. I know abusers can escalate their behavior but when he started bad mouthing her to others, no one seemed to question if this was the Yasmeen they knew, even though they had known her a lot longer than him.
In that last scene in The Rovers he was openly embarrassing her in front Sally and Tim, when she learned about the money for the wedding he said "can I not treat my only child" on Cononation Steet Wiki Fandom it says Tim has two older brothers, Christopher and Craig, it seems the writers do not know their own history.
It will be interesting to see if he is dead, and how the aftermath unfolds. No doubt it will follow the usual dramatic course of the victim being blamed and made to suffer more.

Was it ever shown where Geoff has concealed the camera? I would have thought that with all the cleaning Yasmeen has to do she would have moved it by dusting under or around it and therefore made it impossible for Geoff to see what she is doing. I agree with previous comment that a small suitcase packed ready for fleeing the home would highly unlikely contain party clothes ...

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Originally Posted by Perdita

Was it ever shown where Geoff has concealed the camera? I would have thought that with all the cleaning Yasmeen has to do she would have moved it by dusting under or around it and therefore made it impossible for Geoff to see what she is doing. I agree with previous comment that a small suitcase packed ready for fleeing the home would highly unlikely contain party clothes ...

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He hid it on top of the shelf unit a while ago I think shortly after he first started abusing her. Maybe above the cupboard where the dress was, but maybe on another shelf. He did see her adding something to the suitcase recently, when he was in the cafe, that's why he went through that charade with his "special marinade bowl". I did ask a while ago, why she never found it dusting, but perhaps she does not do the top of the shelves and he would not want to point this out to her. We have not seen him checking the camera too often, although presumably he must do so or his phone would run out of memory. Problem with surveillance is that it it is time consuming to view. This is just another example of the lack of thought about detail in this "drama".

Bit ironic (Is this the right word?) that Geoff chastised Yasmeen for locking the cupboard where she hid the suitcase, when he did the same with the cupboard where he hid the dress.

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Originally Posted by Dennis tanner

She sacked the Sharrif but she could not sack the Geoff...ery

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Clever musical reference!

Damn, Geoff is still alive and how pathetic to hear Yasmeen going on about 'Im sorry'. I think Eileen at least has her doubts.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not convinced that Eileen doesn't have a contrary view to the others in the pub yet. She did disagree with Cathy and Brian before about Yasmeen and say what she'd seen. She might come good yet!

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I hope she speaks up for Yasmeen once Alya returns and tells what Geoffster is really like

Cathy and Brian could not wait to speak to the police to shop in Yasmeen, their friend :angry:

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Originally Posted by Son of Cain

Bit ironic (Is this the right word?) that Geoff chastised Yasmeen for locking the cupboard where she hid the suitcase, when he did the same with the cupboard where he hid the dress.

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Before things can get better, Yasmin needs to speak up for herself. I doubt that will happen any time soon.

Usual sloppy writing for last night's episode. They say they go to great lengths consulting experts for the abuse storyline, then the keystone kops turn up and behave like no police force in the history of time, and the whole premise of authenticity falls apart. Allowing Tim to walk into and through a potential murder scene and arresting Yasmeen in the street instead of in the house were just 2 examples worthy of a comedy rather than a drama. They also have an endless supply of rubbish female detectives, turning what are no doubt decent actresses into on screen buffoons. And as for Eileen (yes, the Eileen that was totally fooled by Phelan) declining to mention that she saw Geoff locking Yasmeen in, that's just the icing on the cake.

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Originally Posted by Dennis tanner

Before things can get better, Yasmin needs to speak up for herself. I doubt that will happen any time soon.

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Too much drama again! - Jasmeen missed his jugular vein and presumably his carotid artery too, I am not a doctor but I wondering why he lost conscious so quick when he actually just sustained a flesh wound. There was not much blood on the floor or on his clothes, the paramedic said he had lost about 500ml of blood, about the same as you give if you donate blood, I don't remember becoming unconscious when I gave blood. Yet Geoff fell over convulsed a bit, and became unconscious. Presumably if he had been left to bleed he would eventually have passed out but not in the way he did, leading Jasmeen to believe he was dead. Yet here we are in hospital, with Geoff on a ventilator and as far as I can see no sign of a drip, either by his bedside or when they took him from the house, and Tim saying they are on the way to give him a blood transfusion, hardly seems to indicate any sense of urgency.

Why are police officers in Soaps always so aggressive when interviewing suspects, the police officer interrogating Jasmeen should just have smacked her across the side of the head with a phone book and be done with it, her style of interviewing ceased years ago. Do the writers not watch documentary programmes like '24 Hours in Police Custody' where the interviewers are generally very polite. Surely Imran should have asked for Jasmeen to be seen by a doctor to determine if she was in a fit state to be interviewed?

Quite frankly, I'm beyond caring now with the Geoff/Yasmeen story. It has been such a missed opportunity to help women who find themselves in this situation to find help and deal with it.

And now, it's got even worse with, as Brucie says, the usual Toytown police force that seems to inhabit Weatherfield, who shouldn't even be prefects in a junior school.....

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Originally Posted by Son of Cain

Too much drama again! - Jasmeen missed his jugular vein and presumably his carotid artery too, I am not a doctor but I wondering why he lost conscious so quick when he actually just sustained a flesh wound. There was not much blood on the floor or on his clothes, the paramedic said he had lost about 500ml of blood, about the same as you give if you donate blood, I don't remember becoming unconscious when I gave blood. Yet Geoff fell over convulsed a bit, and became unconscious. Presumably if he had been left to bleed he would eventually have passed out but not in the way he did, leading Jasmeen to believe he was dead. Yet here we are in hospital, with Geoff on a ventilator and as far as I can see no sign of a drip, either by his bedside or when they took him from the house, and Tim saying they are on the way to give him a blood transfusion, hardly seems to indicate any sense of urgency.

Why are police officers in Soaps always so aggressive when interviewing suspects, the police officer interrogating Jasmeen should just have smacked her across the side of the head with a phone book and be done with it, her style of interviewing ceased years ago. Do the writers not watch documentary programmes like '24 Hours in Police Custody' where the interviewers are generally very polite. Surely Imran should have asked for Jasmeen to be seen by a doctor to determine if she was in a fit state to be interviewed?

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Having read this and the two following posts, I not even going to watch the episode. I skipped through the previous episode with the drawn-out Geoff/Yassmen rubbish.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, reading the negative posts for the last two episodes I can see CS potentially losing viewers.

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Originally Posted by RogerOver

Having read this and the two following posts, I not even going to watch the episode. I skipped through the previous episode with the drawn-out Geoff/Yassmen rubbish.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, reading the negative posts for the last two episodes I can see CS potentially losing viewers.

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Please don't be put off viewing because of my posts. You may see it differently. I know I nitpick about the reality of these situations, but I still enjoy it to a certain extent, like the original Crossroads, it is beginning to fall into the "so bad it is good" category.

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Originally Posted by Brucie

Usual sloppy writing for last night's episode. They say they go to great lengths consulting experts for the abuse storyline, then the keystone kops turn up and behave like no police force in the history of time, and the whole premise of authenticity falls apart. Allowing Tim to walk into and through a potential murder scene and arresting Yasmeen in the street instead of in the house were just 2 examples worthy of a comedy rather than a drama. They also have an endless supply of rubbish female detectives, turning what are no doubt decent actresses into on screen buffoons. And as for Eileen (yes, the Eileen that was totally fooled by Phelan) declining to mention that she saw Geoff locking Yasmeen in, that's just the icing on the cake.

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I think it is laziness to do proper research unless they are consulting cheap experts. Not sure Yasmeen would be arrested at that point, surely she would have been asked to go to the police station for questioning and only arrested if she refused to go. The state she was in she would have agreed to anything.
Anyway it should all be over and done with tomorrow when they find Geoff's spy camera. This should show him threatening her with the bread knife. I am not sure if there is audio but even if there is not, when Yameen gets over her state of shock and tells the police that he threatened to kill her, she can claim self defense and the video should support this. As I understand it you do not have to wait until an attacker starts to harm you before you fight back, if you believe your life is in danger, after a verbal threat you are entitled to take appropriate action. Of course we know this will not be cleared up tomorrow, I fear it will continue for a while yet. .

geoff held a knife to yasmeen which if the house is examined for crime scene his prints will be on it on the floor by him

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Originally Posted by lizann

geoff held a knife to yasmeen which if the house is examined for crime scene his prints will be on it on the floor by him

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I'm guessing that the Weatherfield Police have never heard of fingerprints...

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Originally Posted by lizann

geoff held a knife to yasmeen which if the house is examined for crime scene his prints will be on it on the floor by him

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I think Yasmeen was so schocked she cleaned the knife and put it away before the police came ....

Yasmen phoned the Police and said that she had killed someone. That does give them grounds to arrest her.

Hitting him over the head with the bottle may have been self defence but following up with a stab to the throat probably wasn't.

When you claim self defence you should do so at the first opportunity. She is not helping herself.

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Originally Posted by Perdita

I think Yasmeen was so schocked she cleaned the knife and put it away before the police came ....

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You might be right, I think there was a knife on the worktop beside Geoff's phone when Yasmeen answered it, but whether it was the same knife, we do not know. But it should be recorded on the phone from the camera.

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Originally Posted by Dennis tanner

Yasmen phoned the Police and said that she had killed someone. That does give them grounds to arrest her.

Hitting him over the head with the bottle may have been self defence but following up with a stab to the throat probably wasn't.

When you claim self defence you should do so at the first opportunity. She is not helping herself.

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Stabbing him with the bottle could be seen as part of the same action. I think you are entitled to continue to defend yourself until your attacker poses no threat to you. When she hit him with the bottle he did not fall over, he turned away then turned back to look at her, surprized but still angry. At this point he was still a threat, perhaps even more so as she had enraged him. He was not running away and was not incapable of attacking her, so I would argue she still within her rights to defend herself. Afterwards she was in a state of shock, but she did mention the knife at the police station but did not explain it further. She was not in a fit state to be interviewed, Imran should have insisted she was seen by a doctor.
The strangest thing about the incident the way it was filmed was that she hit him hard enough to break the bottle but not hard enough to hard enough to knock him out or even do him much harm. Was it a particularly thin bottle. Again unrealistic drama for dramas sake.

I really hope that we're not heading down the usual soap path of a rubbish trial, where almost zero evidence of Yasmeen's suffering is presented, followed by a guilty verdict, following which "new" evidence is found after a period of wrongful imprisonment. This story needs to end soon - with Geoff paying for his evilness.

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Originally Posted by Brucie

I really hope that we're not heading down the usual soap path of a rubbish trial, where almost zero evidence of Yasmeen's suffering is presented, followed by a guilty verdict, following which "new" evidence is found after a period of wrongful imprisonment. This story needs to end soon - with Geoff paying for his evilness.

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https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/06/coron...Y#&gid=1&pid=1

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Originally Posted by Brucie

I really hope that we're not heading down the usual soap path of a rubbish trial, where almost zero evidence of Yasmeen's suffering is presented, followed by a guilty verdict, following which "new" evidence is found after a period of wrongful imprisonment. This story needs to end soon - with Geoff paying for his evilness.

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I really fear we are. Having second thoughts I have a feeling the spy camera, if they even find it, will not be the saving of Yasmeen I earlier thought it would be. We do not know if it records 24/7 or even if it records at all, it may only show a live view when accessed through the app on the phone and keep no pernament record at all. One of the benefits writing the script in a vague way is that they can write future scripts to suit their storyline. I am sure at the end of the day Yasmeen will be saved but I fear that day may well be a long way off.

It started out as a great storyline about coercive control, where the control was hinted at before it even became a proper storyline, but now Corrie has taken the typical soap route, with violence, wrongful convictions and melodrama. Lots of characters have pieces of the jigsaw regarding Geoff and Yasmeen's relationship and they need to start putting the pieces together.

Thanks for that link Perdita, but I wish I hadn't read it! it implies that Geoff will be with us until "towards the end of the year" Aaaaaaargh!