maybe vincent and ronnie threatened dot if charlie didn't leave and then dean really got rid, the wallet in the bin looks like a sinister end for charlie, wallet in bin near massod food stall for roxy to find
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maybe vincent and ronnie threatened dot if charlie didn't leave and then dean really got rid, the wallet in the bin looks like a sinister end for charlie, wallet in bin near massod food stall for roxy to find
It has been a year now since the rape, so time for him to face his punishment and comeuppance
Well, it sounds like Dean is "finally" going to get his comeuppance! About time, too!
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I'm over the moon that what looks to be the beginning of the end for Dean has begun now Ronnie wants rid of him "the East End" way. I really like the thought of her and Linda being involved in his comeuppance. I just hope that whatever happens, Dean admits his guilt so Linda's vindicated.
The news that Matt di Angelo is leaving is the icing on the cake! :thumbsup:
Yes, this is the crucial part of all this. It's all very well getting rid of him, but the truth about his rape of Linda has to be made clear to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Well, I'm happy Dean will be getting what's coming to him, though I am sorry Matt is leaving, as I like his acting. I wonder what's going to happen to Jade though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Yes, I've got nothing against Matt and I actually used to like Dean, but I'm just very glad the character's going. Hopefully, Shabnam won't change her mind about getting custody of Jade, and Shirley and Buster can have regular contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Well, they should do. I mean, even if Jade goes to live with Shabs after all, Shirley is the one who has experience with dealing with someone who has CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
She left Kevin and Jimbo though cause she could not handle it if I remember correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Technically she left because of emotional guilt (she blamed herself because she nearly drowned Mick as a baby, and got it into her head that Jimbo was being punished for her actions). But either way, she didn't leave him until some time while he was a little kid, so she was there for a few years and thus has experience in caring for someone with CF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I wonder if Mick knows what he's truly doing. I mean, I was all for Dean getting his comeuppance, but murder??? As despicable as he is, he is still Mick's brother and Shirley's son. Does Mick really think he can kill him and be able to look his mom in the face again, knowing he killed her youngest son? And will he be able to look into Jade's face, knowing he killed her father? Plus, as vengeful as he is, Mick doesn't seem the type who can kill, or at least kill and not feel guilty about it. And what if he gets caught; what will happen to his family then?
It seems to me that he's acting all on impulse, and not thinking things through clearly enough.
don't think it will be mick killing dean more likely roxy or ronnie
The main tbing to me is Dean is removedQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
and punished and Linda is believed and
her reputation restored.
I agree if Mick "kills" Dean - in one
way he falls to his level.
If it is that Mick kills Dean -he should
consider the possibility of getting caught
( tho it depends how its done-dont
always get caught in soaps)
The results could be an effect on his own
self respect
Being parted from Linda for many years
and the effect of that on Linda and himself.
They are good couple and she has been
through a lot already in the last year.
The effect on his children- their father
labelled as a killer - albeit of scum.
But I dont think he should concern
himself unduly about Shirley. Apart
from the biological fact of having given
birth - the word Mother means whatever
each woman has made it mean to her
family by her actions over years!
In the case of Shirley - that doesnt seem
to be much.Shes a very selfish person-
putting it mildly.
So.I hope there is a way of getting rid
of Dean and vindicating Linda - without
too much detrimental effect on Mick
Linda & their children.
Everyone knows rapists arent always
caught but the storyline has strayed so
much from the original.idea and become
skewed by the PTBs preference for Dean
- that it has lost a lot of effectiveness.
I agree, I don't think Mick's got it in him to kill. He understandably feels murderous at the moment but that doesn't mean he'll be able to go through with it. Of course, he'll have Ronnie encouraging him now, but I'm pretty sure that if they plan to murder Dean, Mick will come to his senses and try stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I totally agree. After the way Shirley harassed and abused Linda after the rape was revealed, I don't personally think Mick should ever forgive her. If she was any kind of mother, she wouldn't have devastated Mick like that whether she believed Linda was lying or not. :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Of course, this being a soap we know it'll all be forgiven and forgotten before long. It's started already...
Remember, though, that unlike the rest of her kids, Shirley did actually raise Mick. Of course he didn't know she was his mother, but she was there for him while he was growing up after her mom left.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Maybe, but don't forget that Dean is her son too. Plus, she feels a lot of guilt concerning Dean, because she abandoned him as a child etc. I believe she tends to let her feelings of guilt override her sense. Plus, don't forget that she wasn't the only one who didn't believe Linda. There are several other people on the square who are sceptic about her as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
What happened in Micks childhood was a longQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
time ago. In families where the mother dies or
deserts older siblings do often take help care of the
younger ones -but thats not the same as raising
a child.
If she does feel guilt over the way she deserted
Dean - shes an adult and should make some
attempt to accept responsibiity -not take her
guilt out on other people. She is not only selfish
as I said before but also self- centred.
Its true that other people didnt believe Linda
but they were neighbours/ strangers with
little previous knowledge of Linda.
Shirley is a family member whether its as a
mother- or sister- in law. I would hope that in
most families than unless there was
overwhelming evidence to the contrary
or previous behaviour that cast doubt -the
family member would be believed.
The SWs can decide on a scenario but unless
the detailed writing and the acting supports
that scenario you end up with a botch- up.
And the cracks will be papered over in
an unbelievable " Soap "way - as Dazzle
suggests.
The Rape story was initially a good idea- but
theyve let spin and unrealistic dramatics
& some ret- conning ruin it. And it is a very
important issue!
The point I was trying to make is that, irrespective of whether she believed Linda or not, Shirley's bullying behaviour towards Linda (and by extension Mick) was appalling. And it wasn't just her initial reaction, it continued for many months. If she truly was a loving mother, she would have been a lot more circumspect in her behaviour so as not to hurt Mick. That's what I find unforgivable.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I don't want Dean killed off by Mick either, I know there is no way back for him after the rape so he cant be redeemed but I want him to admit his guilt so all will hearQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Mick was wise calling off Ronnie's hit plan tonight at least
If Mick does kill Dean it could haveQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
devastating effects on him and his
family for years to come-if hes found
out.
Dean would be dead but in a way he
would have "won" again as hes ruined
the familys life and still no real vindication
for Linda.
On a practical note I would say anyone
entering on a joint enterprise murder
would be better off with a more "steady"
partner than Ronnie!
Yeah, Ronnie is definitely the unstable one.
EastEnders' Ronnie Mitchell will find her worst fears happening when her sister Roxy gets engaged to dangerous Dean Wicks next week.
Upcoming scenes will see Ronnie (Samantha Woman) adopt new tactics in an attempt to get him out of Roxy's life for good, but she will soon realise that Dean is a force to be reckoned with when he takes drastic action.
Deciding she needs to win Dean over, Ronnie continues to push forward with her plan but her intentions falter when she learns Dean and Roxy are set to move out of London.
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Ronnie calls Billy with a proposition
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Ronnie calls Billy with a proposition
After trying her luck with Mick and failing, Ronnie seemingly concedes to their plan and agrees to see if she can buy out Roxy's share of the house. As night falls, Ronnie gives Billy the keys to Blades and tells him they're going to put Dean out of business to ensure that Roxy that can't leave.
Tensions run high later when Dean discovers Blades has been broken into and he immediately directs his anger onto Roxy, blaming her for leaving the keys in the door.
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Dean finds everything has been stolen from Blades
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Dean finds everything has been stolen from Blades
As Roxy goes off to fix the problem, the penny drops for Dean and he realises who really is to blame. When Ronnie arrives at Dean's flat, it doesn't take her long to realise that she's been caught out and she later finds herself in an impossible situation when Roxy returns.
However, Dean's plan soon begins to fall apart as well when Ronnie shares a harsh truth with him. Knowing he needs to take drastic action, Dean then proposes to Roxy, who happily accepts.
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Ronnie puts her plan into action
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Ronnie puts her plan into action
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Ronnie puts her plan into action
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Ronnie puts her plan into action
As Roxy and a smug Dean happily celebrate their engagement, a desperate Ronnie turns to her family in a bid to intervene but despite their disapproval, Roxy pushes forward with her engagement party regardless.
However, both Roxy and Dean are shocked when Ronnie arrives and apologises for her earlier behaviour, but her true intentions soon become clear.
With Roxy back on side, Ronnie takes matters into her own hands and attempts to show Roxy what Dean is really like, but will her plan work?
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Will Ronnie's plan to expose Dean work?
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Will Ronnie's plan to expose Dean work?
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Will Ronnie's plan to expose Dean work?
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Will Ronnie's plan to expose Dean work?
EastEnders airs these scenes on Monday November 9, Tuesday November 10 and Thursday November 12 on BBC One.
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we now know mick and linda wedding is by a lake and mick has a water stunt so ronnie breaks up roxy and dean, could be with mick's help, dean gatecrashes the wedding and he fights mick in the lake or saves mick or linda or nancy but is lost in the lake presumed death only to return later to terrorise ronnie, just my theory
I hope a drunk or sober Dean lets slip at the wedding his guilt for raping Linda, she needs to be believed by everyone and Shirley needs to grovel to her for forgiveness
EastEnders villain Dean Wicks will attempt to rape his girlfriend Roxy Mitchell in the build-up to his exit from the show.
The soap's team have been working with the charity Rape Crisis while planning the storyline, which will air on screen towards the end of the year.
Dean has been dating Roxy (Rita Simons) for a few months, much to the concern of Roxy's sister Ronnie.
Viewers have already seen signs that their relationship could take a darker turn, as Dean's controlling behaviour has led to him burning Roxy with hair straighteners. He also cut off a chunk of her hair when they were rowing last month.
The plot is now building towards a dark conclusion when Dean leaves Roxy traumatised by trying to rape her.
Backing EastEnders for exploring the issue once again, a Rape Crisis spokesperson told The Mirror: "EastEnders has covered every other conceivable issue. If sexual violence or rape was the only big topic EastEnders never approached, it would reinforce the idea sexual violence is unspeakable.
"Because people relate to soaps they can have a social impact and make people feel less alone or encourage them to come forward and seek support for the first time."
Hair salon owner Dean raped his sister-in-law Linda Carter (Kellie Bright) last year, but he wasn't punished for his crime as the authorities chose not to bring the case to trial.
Some of the Square's residents have been wary of Dean since, but he has managed to fool a number of the locals with his seemingly-charming demeanour.
Matt Di Angelo, who plays Dean, will be leaving EastEnders within the next few months. It's thought that his exit could air at the start of 2016, when Linda and Mick's New Year wedding leads to a dramatic water-based stunt.
An EastEnders spokesperson recently commented: "We can confirm that Matt will be leaving and we wish him all the best."
I will be sorry to see Matt go, but glad that the story involving Dean will finally be resolved.
So... Who thinks what is gonna happen? I'm gonna guess and say that after Dean tries to rape Roxy, he tries to make a run for it, but ends up falling into a lake/river. Mick is then faced with the big decision of whether to let the man who raped his wife drown, or save his brother? After a big mental ordeal, he then dives in to save him, followed by Dean being arrested. Even if Dean doesn't confess to raping Linda, it won't matter, as the fact that he tried to rape Roxy will prove once and for all that he's a rapist, and that Linda had to be telling the truth after all.
I agree, I think Mick will save Dean from drowning.
Dean's attempted rape of Roxy probably costs him everything (even Shirley's love). He'll possibly turn up at Mick and Linda's wedding intent on destroying their happiness.
Thank goodness everyone will see Dean for what he is at last! I've seen complaints elsewhere about the second (attempted) rape, but he's got away with it once so it's entirely probable he'd try it again. I've heard that rapists are often serial offenders (and why wouldn't they be if they go unpunished and believe they've done nothing wrong :wall:).
Not so sure about losing Shirley's love, as she'll probably blame herself for what he's become. I often wondered if Dean would have become the man he is now if he never gone to jail in the first place? Mick and Linda's wedding is probably the place where he'll try to rape Roxy, though what he'll be doing there I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Oh yeah, I totally agree. Every rapist in history I've heard about, especially those who were never punished, often end up doing it again. I mean, I have heard about some who do truly regret their actions and tried to get their lives back on track by admitting their crimes, going to prison, having therapy etc, but those type of men are rare.
don't think mick is a good swimmer, ian gave him what one lesson
There was an ep where Mick did a sponsored swimming marathon of some sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
He isn't really. He just about managed one length and by New Year it'll be coming up for 18 months ago. He's probably got worse in that time, not having gone swimming since.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
oh yes was that for janet, billy's daughter but he managed 1 lap was it of the poolQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
oh yes was that for janet, billy's daughter but he managed 1 lap was it of the poolQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
One length and then Dean threw a strop because everyone was proud of Mick rather than him, despite his having done 19 lengths or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
We know Mick is a poor swimmer and also had to overcome a phobia of the water to do the sponsored swim. He probably still has major issues with going in the water. These facts were what made me think Mick would end up rescuing Dean when I heard about the water stunt that would form the climax of the rape storyline. Soaps do so love to wring every ounce of melodrama from a situation... :D
You might have a point about Shirley feeling guilty, but I'm positive she won't want Dean around any more when she hears the truth. She might even call the police on him. She certainly needs to do something to redeem herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
in some weird twisted way was ronnie coming on to dean tonight or was it in my headQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
think ronnie will push dean into attempting to rape roxy, she will get roxy back and away from dean
think dean will die saving mick or one of his kids, lee depression pushes him more to drinking, nancy has fits
id prefer mick saving dean who then goes jail
That's what I'd like too. There's potentially lots of good drama to be had in Mick - who's a poor swimmer - having to overcome his fear of the water to rescue his wife's rapist. Maybe he nearly kills him and then changes his mind and saves his life?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
It would be good if that happened. If MickQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
can do that- there is punishment for Dean
justice for Linda and Mick and his familys
life are not ruined.
I was quite keen on vengeance initially
but that only brings the avenger down
to the level of the criminal - which does
have an adverse effect - unless they are
a very hard person.
Maybe Mick falls in and Dean saves him? Not sure where any confession would come?
Maybe Mick has been secretly practising swimming?
Maybe the plot-editor thought we'd forget he only managed a length?
Maybe Mick falls in and Dean saves him? Not sure where any confession would come?
Maybe Mick has been secretly practising swimming?
Maybe the plot-editor thought we'd forget he only managed a length?