Jake Heaven

That's what I was thinking IF the rumours are true things could of changed because of TAo leaving, they could go off into the sunset together and live happily ever after. I'd like that but I'd rather Joel stay and not leave.

As for this rumour about Joel having no storylines that is stupid I have just mentioned a dozen or so potential ones above. Joel is the one who can provide storylines for others as well as having aload of his own. Jake will work well on his own or with others.

If the writers can't think of anything just contact me I'll give them enough to last a life time!!

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Originally Posted by Jake_Moon_Rox

I think it would be dumb if they et rid of Jake so soon. I may just be able to except it if he goes off with a pregnant Chrissie, I may just be able to take that.

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I don't want that. I love the Jake/Chrissie relationship, and I think there are genuine feelings on both sides, and maybe if that happened they would be happy. But I think if that happened, it would be Danny all over again. It would be Jake sacrificing everything to look after someone, and just from a writing point of view you can't do that because nothing has changed -- Jake came into the show, taking care of Danny, putting his own life on hold, and he leaves exactly the same way -- nothing has changed, and that's just...not good.

What I would like is for Jake to make a conscious decision not to go with Chrissie - maybe to help her get away, but not go with her, not to do that again. A nice callback to the situation with Danny - except this time he does the right thing for him.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

If the writers can't think of anything just contact me I'll give them enough to last a life time!!

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We'll just email them a copy of this thread, lol. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Jake_Moon_Rox

I don't think Jake is Johnny's son, it wouldn't really work
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Sorry I disagree:) I think that if handled correctly and written well it would work well and basically be one up Johnny's backside, as I couldn't see Jake wanting to know him, well certainly not wanting to be close to Johnny.

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

We'll just email them a copy of this thread, lol. :lol:

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LOL! Hopefully the researchers come on here and take a look at what we're saying, I think that they may:)

Anyway if they try to get rid of Jakey again, we'll have to jam their email up with Jakey scripts LOL!

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Originally Posted by Babe14

Sorry I disagree:) I think that if handled correctly and written well it would work well and basically be one up Johnny's backside, as I couldn't see Jake wanting to know him, well certainly not wanting to be close to Johnny.

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I agree. I'd like to see Johnny dealing with the fact that he dragged his son into a murder, basically blackmailed him into working for him, sacked him, bullied his younger brother, and then drove him into the woods at gunpoint. Johnny seems to (like most of the characters) put importance on his family. Well, let him deal with the fact that Jake can't stand him.

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

What I would like is for Jake to make a conscious decision not to go with Chrissie - maybe to help her get away, but not go with her, not to do that again. A nice callback to the situation with Danny - except this time he does the right thing for him.

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I like that:) Also this is a bit sad but I'd quite like Chrissie true to form to tell Jake that he was only ever a bit of fun just as he was getting on a boat with her..(a dodgy one not your usual cruise type)

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I agree. I'd like to see Johnny dealing with the fact that he dragged his son into a murder, basically blackmailed him into working for him, sacked him, bullied his younger brother, and then drove him into the woods at gunpoint. Johnny seems to (like most of the characters) put importance on his family. Well, let him deal with the fact that Jake can't stand him.

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Yep. Johnny and Jake enemies, it would be a bit like Den/Dennis, only this time it would be the son who is turning his back and deosn't want to know and the father trying to beg for his forgiveness..um I like that idea Johnny in tears pleading with Jakey..

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Originally Posted by Babe14

Yep. Johnny and Jake enemies, it would be a bit like Den/Dennis, only this time it would be the son who is turning his back and deosn't want to know and the father trying to beg for his forgiveness..um I like that idea Johnny in tears pleading with Jakey..

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Poor Jakey though -- grows up with a horrible father, and then finds out his actual father is Johnny Allen.

It would also allow for some Jake and Ruby interaction. He might not want to know Johnny, but once Ruby had finished the inevitable teenage tantrum, I could see them taking some tentative steps towards being friends.

Just read the thread about nana moon:( this would be the perfect reason for Jakey to return to the sqaure, also she is at the mo. I think that this rumour about Jake not being around on a long term basis could be to do with this storyline he comes back because of .....and plans to leave straight away afterwards but is persauded to stay..or because Alfie needs him..

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Originally Posted by Babe14

I like that:) Also this is a bit sad but I'd quite like Chrissie true to form to tell Jake that he was only ever a bit of fun just as he was getting on a boat with her..(a dodgy one not your usual cruise type)

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I think it's quite sad in that, while I think Jake's the type of character that will come out stronger in the end, it's kinda like at what cost? I find it quite sad, that before him and Danny got into the incredibly unhealthy bond that they did, they were kids with an abusive father, and what made them the way they are was not their fault. And it's kinda like -- if what Jake takes away from what happened with Danny, and whatever happens with Chrissie, is not to care about people so much is that a good or a bad thing?

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

It would also allow for some Jake and Ruby interaction. He might not want to know Johnny, but once Ruby had finished the inevitable teenage tantrum, I could see them taking some tentative steps towards being friends.

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When ruby first appeared in the square and I first saw Jakey and her together, for example when she was in the kitchen and something was bothering her and she didn't know whether or not to tell Johnny, Jakey was there like a big brother and gave her his advice. Also at first Jakey and Danny were sort of looking out for Ruby..Yes I can see a big brother realtionship here afterall Jakey loves taking care of people. Or will Jakey have changed when he returns to the square?

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I think it's quite sad in that, while I think Jake's the type of character that will come out stronger in the end, it's kinda like at what cost? I find it quite sad, that before him and Danny got into the incredibly unhealthy bond that they did, they were kids with an abusive father, and what made them the way they are was not their fault. And it's kinda like -- if what Jake takes away from what happened with Danny, and whatever happens with Chrissie, is not to care about people so much is that a good or a bad thing?

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Half and Half. I would like Jakey to be harder after his trauma with Danny, then Chrissie plus one other it would add another side to the character. It would make good viewing but of course after a while he becomes caring again..cue childhood sweetheart..Jakey already has trouble trusting people so all this would make him even more cautious..

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Originally Posted by Babe14

When ruby first appeared in the square and I first saw Jakey and her together, for example when she was in the kitchen and something was bothering her and she didn't know whether or not to tell Johnny, Jakey was there like a big brother and gave her his advice. Also at first Jakey and Danny were sort of looking out for Ruby..Yes I can see a big brother realtionship here afterall Jakey loves taking care of people. Or will Jakey have changed when he returns to the square?

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I think it was Jake trying to convince Ruby to tell Johnny she'd been mugged. I loved that scene, because like you said it was such a big brother type scene. I really want this storyline now, lol. Hey, if we can't beat Jake up, we'll give him a little sister, :p

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I think it was Jake trying to convince Ruby to tell Johnny she'd been mugged. I loved that scene, because like you said it was such a big brother type scene. I really want this storyline now, lol. Hey, if we can't beat Jake up, we'll give him a little sister, :p

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That's right I remember now, thanks:) LOL. A baby sister to replace Danny! We can still beat Jakey up, not that I want too, he has to tangle with Phil yet..mind you Jakey isn't violent, just gives people a right old lashing with his tongue LOL

BK I think you and I are Jakey's biggest fans as we never run out of chat about him. Think we know the character better than the person who created him LOL!

Defo should give us the job of writing Jakey scripts:)
Ratings would soar! LOL

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Originally Posted by Babe14

That's right I remember now, thanks:) LOL. A baby sister to replace Danny! We can still beat Jakey up, not that I want too, he has to tangle with Phil yet..mind you Jakey isn't violent, just gives people a right old lashing with his tongue LOL

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It would be interesting if Danny came back in the future, (if this Johnny and Jake thing happened of course), if Jake and Ruby had formed a sibling relationship. See how Jake would deal with a reminder of his 'old' life and childhood coming back, whether he'd try and integrate the two or keep them apart.

I agree, he isn't violent. I think he's one of those people who won't react just to spite someone, where as others, like Danny and Dennis, will lash out -- which also confused Johnny. He got Danny on his knees begging for his life, but Jake wouldn't -- I can see it been the same when they were growing up, especially as Jake got older, that the dad were hit him, and Jake would just stare him back in the face and not do a thing.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

BK I think you and I are Jakey's biggest fans as we never run out of chat about him. Think we know the character better than the person who created him LOL!

Defo should give us the job of writing Jakey scripts:)
Ratings would soar! LOL

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I know! I can't stop once we get going about Jakey -- there's just so much there to talk about -- and this when he's been in it about half a year, and taking into account the disappearing act. They can't get rid of him, they just can't. The character has so much more to give. :wub:

I think it's just a rumour or I was thinking perhaps it is Jake Maskell that has been given a short reprieve, (re nana) Danny comes back with Jake and then goes but Jake stays, and the two Jakes are being confused (Jake/Joel) (Jake/Danny)

It doesn't make sense for Jake to be built up so much as he was during those two weeks and even more so throughout the autumn, being thrown into the thick of things then shown the door, why would the producers do that if the plan was only to have Joel back on a short term basis. No I'm definitely saying rumour, there are loads flying around about Enders lately, some do turn out to be true whereas others are rubbish. Hopefully this is a rubbish one as I am defo under the impression that Joel is in it long term..

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I agree, he isn't violent. I think he's one of those people who won't react just to spite someone, where as others, like Danny and Dennis, will lash out -- which also confused Johnny. He got Danny on his knees begging for his life, but Jake wouldn't -- I can see it been the same when they were growing up, especially as Jake got older, that the dad were hit him, and Jake would just stare him back in the face and not do a thing.

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or maybe Jakey gave his dad a tongue lashing and really hit him where it hurt before the two boys left..be interesting to see if Jakey was really pushed if he would actually hit someone. Remember when D hit Jakey and Danny said "I'm surprised you let him get away with that?"

Another storyline I thought of involving the mother -- if she left, with another man. She could come back into it with a new husband, maybe some other kids. They'd be a lot of resentment on Jakey's side, that she left to a new, maybe not perfect but definitely better, life, all while her two sons were been beaten and passed from pillar to post.

Just read the "Nana" article on Digispy and it doesn't mention Jake at ALL. It just mentions Alfie/Spencer and Kat as her family. I suspect that they have done this so Jake can develop further and be more involved in the action, whereas wiith sweet and lovely Nana the character maybe restricted. RUMOUR Jake Is staying.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

Just read the "Nana" article on Digispy and it doesn't mention Jake at ALL. It just mentions Alfie/Spencer and Kat as her family. I suspect that they have done this so Jake can develop further and be more involved in the action, whereas wiith sweet and lovely Nana the character maybe restricted. RUMOUR Jake Is staying.

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I agree. If Jake was the only one living with Nana, he'd be the only one there to take care of her, which sad as it is, would restrict the character.

Poor Jakey though, he'll be all on his own come Christmas.

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

Another storyline I thought of involving the mother -- if she left, with another man. She could come back into it with a new husband, maybe some other kids. They'd be a lot of resentment on Jakey's side, that she left to a new, maybe not perfect but definitely better, life, all while her two sons were been beaten and passed from pillar to post.

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I like that idea, more Moonies more storylines for Jakey:) More emotion, anger, more past history..

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I agree. If Jake was the only one living with Nana, he'd be the only one there to take care of her, which sad as it is, would restrict the character.

Poor Jakey though, he'll be all on his own come Christmas.

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Dawn Miller:) Joe the builder LOL Picture this Jake, Joe, Martin, Sonia and Pauline all having xmas dinner together. Actually that would be quite interesting..on the other hand Jakey having xmas dinner at the Millers...

or with Pat, Dennis/Sharon.. see he fits in anywhere:)

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Originally Posted by Babe14

I like that idea, more Moonies more storylines for Jakey:) More emotion, anger, more past history..

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They may also want to get rid of Nana, to concentrate on the dark side of the Moon family. I think Jake and Danny's side of the family is vastly different from the slightly roguish, but ultimatly decent people, that Alfie's side is. To bring up this dark history all while sweet Nana Moon rattles around in the background wouldn't really work -- though it would offer a nice contrast. It's times like this I wonder if it would be better if Alfie stayed, because he would offer a better contrast. (But then I watch another episode involving Kat/Alfie/Little Mo and all those thoughts just disappear).

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Originally Posted by Babe14

Dawn Miller:) Joe the builder LOL Picture this Jake, Joe, Martin, Sonia and Pauline all having xmas dinner together. Actually that would be quite interesting..on the other hand Jakey having xmas dinner at the Millers...

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Or if our feelings are right, Johnny turning up with an invitation for a nice family Christmas dinner, and Jake slamming the door in his face. :lol:

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

I agree. If Jake was the only one living with Nana, he'd be the only one there to take care of her, which sad as it is, would restrict the character.

Poor Jakey though, he'll be all on his own come Christmas.

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When you think about it originally you had Alfie/Spencer/Nana then add Kat.

Then minus Kat plus Moon babies = four minus Spencer = three, There has always been three Moonies..so either now the decision has been made to axe the Moonies minus one (Jakey) who could well turnout not to be a Moon at all.. or plus new Moonies, Mum and new family:)
My guess is that the plan is to have Jake on his own as I feel that perhaps the Elstree Bosses our finally seeing it from our point of view that "Our" Jakey (Joel) works well on his own and can be slotted in anywhere.

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

Or if our feelings are right, Johnny turning up with an invitation for a nice family Christmas dinner, and Jake slamming the door in his face. :lol:

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LOL! "Thanks but I'm busy" Stuffing a Turkey up the Jacksie"

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

They may also want to get rid of Nana, to concentrate on the dark side of the Moon family. I think Jake and Danny's side of the family is vastly different from the slightly roguish, but ultimatly decent people, that Alfie's side is. To bring up this dark history all while sweet Nana Moon rattles around in the background wouldn't really work -- though it would offer a nice contrast. It's times like this I wonder if it would be better if Alfie stayed, because he would offer a better contrast. (But then I watch another episode involving Kat/Alfie/Little Mo and all those thoughts just disappear).

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LOL! In my own opinion Alfie and Jakey work well together. Alfie on his own is a disaster. You could be right maybe the plan could be to give the Moons a new side from gentle/stupid(alfie) Loving sweet to Macho, dark, brutal,caring, loving. In short to give the Moons a more dramatic and grittier side to provide a wdier scope for some big storylines.

There are a lot of exits at the end of the year six all at the same time, but then there are new characters being brought in three more to be developed..um..Moonies?? and of course there will be "Our" Joel.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

LOL! In my own opinion Alfie and Jakey work well together. Alfie on his own is a disaster. You could be right maybe the plan could be to give the Moons a new side from gentle/stupid(alfie) Loving sweet to Macho, dark, brutal,caring, loving. In short to give the Moons a more dramatic and grittier side to provide a wdier scope for some big storylines.

There are a lot of exits at the end of the year six all at the same time, but then there are new characters being brought in three more to be developed..um..Moonies?? and of course there will be "Our" Joel.

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I agree Alfie works well with Jakey -- but he'd have to have some scenes without Jake eventually...and that's just badness waiting to happen.

I kinda want some of this to come out while Alfie is there -- him and his family obviously knew what was happening, his mother gave Jake and Danny food when their dad left them alone -- did they do anything else, did they let them stay with them for a few days, or just give them a few tins of baked beans and send them back. I know it wasn't their responsibility to do anything, but still...

And if Johnny does turn out to be Jake's dad, how much would he know about Jakey's childhood. Would he be the one to get rid of the father if he ever did show up -- which Jake would of course see as too little, too late.

What I can't understand is why didn't Alfie's mum and Dad take Jakey and Danny in, instead of letting them being fostered out by the social?

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Originally Posted by Babe14

What I can't understand is why didn't Alfie's mum and Dad take Jakey and Danny in, instead of letting them being fostered out by the social?

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That I can sort of understand -- it's not their responsibility to look after and raise them. Also there's Danny -- from what we've heard he clearly had issues since childhood, and they were probably cautious of that, as well as the cautiousness people have that kids from abusive backgrounds will have some sort of behaviour problems. Also, they were probably working on out of sight, out of mind. "Do what we can, and then send them away." Behind closed doors and all that.

I do have an issue with the fact that on at least one occasion, probably more, Jake and Danny were left alone for at least two weeks, and Alfie's parents gave them food. Give them a safe place to stay? Call the social? Try to find their dad? Contact their mother if that was possible? No, they gave them food. I mean, it's good they didn't let them starve, but surely they could have done more?

I get the impression that Alfie was always going round to see Jakey and Danny, as Jake said to Alfie "I used to love it when you came round" So clearly Jakey and Alfie have a very close relationship. Perhaps Alfie's parents called the Soical in? There again Jakey and Danny are family, not immediate family, so would they do that?

A little while ago when Jakey was trying to get Danny work he asked Alfie to give Danny some work on the stall and Alfie basically said he couldn't help. Remember how annoyed Jakey looked and pointed out to Alfie about family and how they are supposed to lookout for one another..so perhaps Alfie and his parents aren't so loyal about family as Jakey is. It's obvious that Jakey has very high principles and loyalty when it comes to looking out for your own. Like you said maybe it was a case of it's not our problem...more mystery to unfold.

Also when Danny was losing it at salsa night and talking about their dad Alfie seemed embarrassed, not just for Danny but for himself, and the only thing he did was call Jake. If any more did come out, maybe there'd be issues between Jake and Alfie, that Alfie and his family didn't do more.

Maybe it was a case of Jake's and Danny's parent not getting along with Alfie's and it was only Alfie who got along with Jakey and Danny. It ws obvious after the boys disappeared, with Alfie not knowing whether they were dead or alive that he cared very much about them. Infact didn't he say he loved them? Not forgetting the way he laid into Johnny of course:)

P.S Keep meaning to say BK LOVE the Banner:)

Thank you. I seem to have a slight obsession with combining EE with Buffy quotes, lol.

I think Alfie does love Jake and Danny, and Jake did say that he used to go around to their house and bring things with him. So I guess he did try to make their lives a little better.

Random thought: How much does Nana know about Jakey and Danny's childhood? How much does Johnny know?

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

Thank you. I seem to have a slight obsession with combining EE with Buffy quotes, lol.

I think Alfie does love Jake and Danny, and Jake did say that he used to go around to their house and bring things with him. So I guess he did try to make their lives a little better.

Random thought: How much does Nana know about Jakey and Danny's childhood? How much does Johnny know?

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That's a good thought:) Then on the other hand Jakey and Danny aren't nana's immediate family so would she know very much except what she has been told?
Johnny may know a little more as Jakey and Danny have worked for him for a while..maybe Johnny knows a lot more than we think. Perhaps he knew the mother very well (Re Jakey)..

(Tell you what we're setting a few rumours about! LOL Jakey's family)