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My parents were talking about this earlier, saying how things are such a mess now and they really should call for a general election, eventhough they think they wont.
What does everyone else think about things?
I mean these MP's and their mess, in a government thats 'allowed' this to happen, surely loads of people would want an election, and MP's have stood down.
StarsOfCCTV
30-05-2009, 00:08
MPs who choose to stand down at the next election get a huge fat payoff for their 'services' and some other reduncacy package. :angry: Make them quit now!
I for one have lost faith in Labour. I don't see anything better happening as a result of Gordon Brown he wasn't even elected by us I don't think?
He wasnt
Ive never liked labour
I think they should have an election, cant they see that we are mad with the government
My mum thinks that the reason they wont call for the election is cos the conservative party will have a landslide victory, now thats just her opinion but I mean looking at the state of things I wouldnt be surprised
StarsOfCCTV
30-05-2009, 00:11
Gordon Brown won't call one, he waited for years to be PM he wants to hang on to the last strings of power.
Exactly! And come to think of it, I havent seen him on the news this week
I don't really understand the whole process, but I think they should call one. Gordon Brown wasn't even elected as Stars said and the expenses are ridiculous. In a recession that they aren't free of blame for it just makes their claims worse.
Pinkbanana
30-05-2009, 00:33
yep they should call an election and get rid of these corrupt and immoral MPs... bring in people who are interested in making this country a better place, rather than having their moat cleaned. :p
But allMPs from all major parties have made contentious claims, so which ever party wins, there will be ministers who should not be, even if only for morally wrong claims, if not possibly illegal. However, I also believe the ministers who have offered to stand down by the next election should resign immediately and without pay-offs etc :angry: so there would have to be so many bi-elections, might just as well be a general election. But voters need to forget about the expenses scandal and vote for the party with the best manifesto for the country. Trouble is, ministers can promise us heaven on earth but can't be held legally responsible for not delivering on their promise. :mad:
StarsOfCCTV
30-05-2009, 09:53
But Gordon Brown has only ordered a review of those people bought up under the expenses in the telegraph. At least David Cameron is ordering a review of everyone and getting rid of those who are corrupt.
At least that's what I understood from the news.
I also don't like Labour because they gave the go-ahead for the third runway. I am so mad at that.
di marco
30-05-2009, 11:05
i think they should have one but i dont see it happening tbh
di marco
30-05-2009, 11:06
But allMPs from all major parties have made contentious claims, so which ever party wins, there will be ministers who should not be, even if only for morally wrong claims, if not possibly illegal.
i agree. my gran was moaning about their mp saying that they werent voting for him again cos hed claimed stuff and my mum was like yeh but they probably all have
Pinkbanana
30-05-2009, 13:00
But allMPs from all major parties have made contentious claims, so which ever party wins, there will be ministers who should not be, even if only for morally wrong claims, if not possibly illegal. :
Not every MP has made contentious claims... Ive read about decent MPs who have been tarnished because of this claims business...
If lots of these MPs who have made questionable claims and in some cases it is actually 'fraud', ie claiming on mortagages that have been paid off... then they should be FORCED to stand down and be replaced with a new person who must realise (if for nothing else other than safeguarding the future of their political career) that claims like we have seen, will no longer be tolerated by joe public.
Perhaps it needs to be investigated before they are allowed to stand whether they made contentious claims or not. That way the public would not find out after they have been elected. Don't know how practical that would be though.
Chloe O'brien
31-05-2009, 00:12
Gordon Bown is not to blame for the MP's making all these illegal claims the adminsitration was done before he became PM so why should he have to suffer for someone elses mistakes. If you want to blame anyone blame Maggie Thatcher she was the one who implememted the expsenses claim to begin with when the Tories were in power.
My parents were strong labour voters and so am I for a personal point of view I would not be financially secure as I was without Mr Brown and I will have no problem in voting Mr Brown again if there was a General Election. I know he isn't the most charasmatic man but he is a very wise man and he deserves a chance. Yes the MP's are corrupt and shouldn't be allowed to stand down at the next election party leaders should sack them and they should leave without their penison or any other perks. It's not only Laour MP's that are gulity the Tories have just as much but you don't see David Cameron getting a hard time.
The main issuse still remains, that this was still allowed to happen in a Labour government, where we have seen disgusting amounts of money being wasted
Gordon Brown won't call one, he waited for years to be PM he wants to hang on to the last strings of power.
Brown won't call and election because he knows the chances of Labour in power for another four years is incredibly slim.
In the EU election polls, UKIP have pushed Labour down into third place.
The public are fed up of their money being spent on second homes for their representatives. All the public go on about is their taxes being spent for this and that. They don't see how Labour stabilised the economy after the Tories or how they helped single parents go back to work or the other good things they have done.
No political party is perfect. People vote on different issues but I do think people have lost confidence in their government. There are a lot of mistakes Labour have made, such as no referendum on joining the EU and the 10p tax. I'm sure if Cameron got into Number 10 (god help us if he does) he'd make as many mistakes or decisions that aren't in the best interests of the public.
I'm not a labour supporter but I can see the good that Blair did.
It wouldn't make a difference to me if Brown called an election, as long as the Tories or the BNP get control of the country. I can live with Labour's policies but the party I support better suit my political views.
Gordon Bown is not to blame for the MP's making all these illegal claims the adminsitration was done before he became PM so why should he have to suffer for someone elses mistakes. If you want to blame anyone blame Maggie Thatcher she was the one who implememted the expsenses claim to begin with when the Tories were in power.
Yes the MP's are corrupt and shouldn't be allowed to stand down at the next election party leaders should sack them and they should leave without their penison or any other perks. It's not only Laour MP's that are gulity the Tories have just as much but you don't see David Cameron getting a hard time.
I concur. If they were in a private business they would be sacked for taking excessive expenses funds from the business.
Cameron is always very quick to stick the knife in and reminds me very much of the bitchy schoolgirls in the playground.
Chloe O'brien
31-05-2009, 01:07
If a Genral Election was to be called it would lead to voters panic voting and just vote the Tories in just like they did when Tony Blair was voted in. He wasn't voted in because the public wanted him to be Prime Minister he was voted because the public wanted rid of the Tories. I am sickened like the rest of the country regarding the MP's fraudulent claims and every single one of them should be made to pay back every penny they fiddled but calling an election is not the answer.
di marco
01-06-2009, 08:38
They don't see how Labour stabilised the economy after the Tories or how they helped single parents go back to work or the other good things they have done.
No political party is perfect. People vote on different issues but I do think people have lost confidence in their government. There are a lot of mistakes Labour have made, such as no referendum on joining the EU and the 10p tax. I'm sure if Cameron got into Number 10 (god help us if he does) he'd make as many mistakes or decisions that aren't in the best interests of the public.
tbh i think theyre all as bad as each other, all make promises they dont keep. yeh labour might have saved the economy from the conservatives but now theyve messed it up again themselves. none of them are perfect and when one messes up people are gonna switch to voting to the other in a hope things will improve, then when they mess up they will switch back again
im not really a supporter of any party due to i agree with different policies from each of them, ill just decide at the time whether the current government/council have done a good job or not. my local councils conservative and apparently we have one of the lowest council tax rates in the country, however that doesnt mean that i want them to be in government, nor does it mean that i like labour either
Labour needs to sort this mess out first before people vote with a knee-jerk reaction. Because all major parties are involved in the expense scandal, parties like the BNP might get voted for and that would be bad.
Labour needs to sort this mess out first before people vote with a knee-jerk reaction. Because all major parties are involved in the expense scandal, parties like the BNP might get voted for and that would be bad.
Labour will never sort this almighty mess out. The country is in debt and will be for years. They threw money at policies which were purely designed to gain votes. They have made Britain the laughing stock of Europe with all their political correctness and loony left wing policies. What other country in the world is it finacially better to stay at home than to work (even if there were jobs.
Its a true saying that Empty Heads voted for Labour and Empty Pockets vote Conservative. Some of us are old enough to remember Labours last attempt at Government and the fiasco that was. Sure enough History is repeating itself. The sooner there is an elction the better and we can get rid of Comrade Brown and his cronies. I think he will see how popular he is on Friday Morning.
di marco
03-06-2009, 18:37
What other country in the world is it finacially better to stay at home than to work (even if there were jobs.
my sis was saying that the other day, the amount shes gonna be taxed and stuff she said she might as well not have bothered then all our stuff would be paid for us!
StarsOfCCTV
03-06-2009, 20:29
I saw the Labour European election party broadcast yesterday. Pretty rubbish, they were just saying what bad policies the conservatives had. :rolleyes: Yeah, but what are yours? :rolleyes:
I think some of the broadcasts look really cheap, I mean I know we need to save money and stuff but some of them look really bad!
or is it just me?
StarsOfCCTV
03-06-2009, 22:46
Yeah they all do. They all have seemed to adopted the 'interview the normal regular person' look.
But it looks really bad in my opinion, looks like something I could make
StarsOfCCTV
03-06-2009, 23:00
Maybe they are trying to 'relate' to us..:hmm: lol
di marco
04-06-2009, 06:33
I saw the Labour European election party broadcast yesterday. Pretty rubbish, they were just saying what bad policies the conservatives had. :rolleyes: Yeah, but what are yours? :rolleyes:
lol! i read some lib dem thing that came through our door cos i was bored and all it did was slag off labour and the conservatives, it said absolutely nothing about them. why would it make me vote for someone who doesnt tell me what theyre going to do?!
I think that after the four ministers going yesterday, Jacqui Smith, Hazel Blears it doesnt look good for gordon, a day before an election, they have dropped him in it well and truely, not that its not what he deserves as he is already in such a mess.
I think i am going to go and vote later for European elections and i think that will say alot about the future of the labour party if people opt against them today.
I still think the best thing would be to go to the Queen and ask for a dissolution of parliament, i think its the only way it will be sorted is by starting over.
My other thought on the matter is everyone should have politics lessons at school, because i am completley baffled by the whole lot of them, dont know who does what and i really should but i never been told.
di marco
04-06-2009, 14:21
My other thought on the matter is everyone should have politics lessons at school, because i am completley baffled by the whole lot of them, dont know who does what and i really should but i never been told.
thats a good idea. i did politics and i still dont have that much of a clue!
I had a titter to myself on facebook earlier. Somebody commented that this could be the start of something new, voting a party in then finding out who the cabinet and leader are next week.
The Queen and her advisers can't be overly worried about the state of the country and government otherwise she'd have dissolved Parliament by now.
Maybe there just isn't enough money in the pot to dissolve parliament and let parties run massive campagnes in the current climate :searchme:
I don't think the Queen can disolve parliament, I think she needs to be asked by the PM. I concur with the comments about the European elections, if a General Election was to take place now, a lot of people might vote for a party that manages to pull the wool over voter's eyes by wording their pamphlets very cleverly so that potential voters might not realise what the party really wants to do and what their manifesto is.
I still hope they call for one, what with loads of people quitting, it just sounds like things are a mess
Plus its all I hear about on the radio
After today's result I sincerely hope an election isn't called in the forthcoming months. Going by what's happened today, the Tories will win.
Labour needs to get it's house in order, sort out the Cabinet situation and get back on track if they have any chance of winning the next election. Several Cabinet ministers have quit today, one even called for Brown to step aside for the future of the party.
Labour isn't my first choice but I hope to hell the Tories don't gain any more power in this country than they have today.
Chloe O'brien
05-06-2009, 21:59
A General Election would be a major disaster for the country if it was called during the next few months. Gordon Brown needs to stand his ground and take authority if he has not got total loyalty from his MP's If they are not committed to him and the party then ship them out. He needs loyal MP's to help him get this country back on it's feet.
A General Election would be a major disaster for the country if it was called during the next few months. Gordon Brown needs to stand his ground and take authority if he has not got total loyalty from his MP's If they are not committed to him and the party then ship them out. He needs loyal MP's to help him get this country back on it's feet.
Unfortunately for Comrade Brown he does not have the total loyalty of the Parliamentary Labour Party and neither he nor his party enjoy widespread public support for the way they have mishandled the Banks and the economy in general. The sooner we have a general election the better for us all. Brown is just clinging on now but its just a question of time and I think we will have an announcement within the next two weeks. The only reason Alan Johnston didnt want the leadership job is because he knows that Labour will lose the next election. My be is that when Labour become her Majestys opposition (assuming they beat the Lib Dems) the Johnston will step forward.
di marco
08-06-2009, 21:24
tbh i think anyone who doesnt want to vote labour in the next election will want an election now so they can get rid of them. anyone who would still want labour in power wont want one atm seeing as it would be unlikely that they would win. at least id like gordon brown to step down as leader
If Brown steps down and Labour appoint a new leader, there will be a general election in the autumn. Going by yesterday's results, Labour will lose to the Tories.
I'm not sure they will get 72 signatures to force a challenge on the leadership on Wednesday. I hope they don't, the idea of the Tories in power is something I'm not comfortable with.
In the 1991 general election, critics said John Major would lose. He won another term in office. Labour are still in with a chance if they can turn themselves around, sort out the cabinet and get back on track.
There's very little a new leader can do in four months to change the public's perception of the party. Labour have nine months to work hard. Brown should step down at the next election though and let somebody else lead.
Chloe O'brien
08-06-2009, 23:04
Gordon Brown's mistake was being Indecisive when he took over as Prime Minister three years ago and the press picked up on it and have been hounding him ever since. If he was going to call a General Election he should have done then, worse case scenario he would maybe have lost 50 MPs but at least he would have put his stamp on the cabinet, and the whole country would have turned out to vote. This weekends results with the Euro Elections are a classic sign that voters are panic voting. Does anyone really believe that voters would support the BNP policies and vote for them if everything was rosy in No 10. No and that is why a general election would be totally worng for the economy and for the public. There is no one better in the Labour Party to run this country apart from Mr Brown and the whole country needs to start beleving in him again and and when the time comes to call an election get to the ballot box and vote him in for another term. We can't let David Cameron and his Tories run the country and with voters staying away or wasting their vote is exactly what we they are doing.
Have to disagree with you Kath. Cameron and the Tories would make a far better job of running the country than the failed entity that is New Labour. The likes of David Milliband and Andrew Johnston are just biding their time to take over from Comrade Brown. They know the party is finished for now and thats why they dont challenge his leadership. Once the General Election is over and the Tories get elected then they will make their move to oust Gordon. Just wait and see.
I would rather anything than Cameron and the Tories - even though a lot of their policies would actually benefit my family, me and our business greatly.
I still remember the Thatcher years and they aren't ones I remember fondly.
But - its all about Democratic choice and that we have a choice, should be held in high regard by ourselves. Political choices are our own and we can argue about who likes which party until the end of days.
I think that politics are in a vicious circle i mean labour got in because people wanted conservatives out and now we have the opposite.
like you say we live in a democracy and at the minute most people do not want Brown, i feel sorry for the man, Tony Blair is the luckiest man alive i think, he left at just the right time and Brown has stepped up and it has all gone wrong with most of his cabinet leaving him in the lurch. He cant do anything right at the minute either, he is however providing much entertainment on the news quiz shows have i got news for you are having a field day.
I think its going to take a long time for things to get sorted out in parliament at the minute but the local election results certatinly show how labour are not flavour of the month.
Going by the result of the European elections, I would be very scared to hold a General election now because of the BNP possibly gaining even more power.
di marco
10-06-2009, 11:15
I think that politics are in a vicious circle i mean labour got in because people wanted conservatives out and now we have the opposite.
i agree, no matter what happens people are gonna vote to get people out rather than who they actually want in
i dont really support a political party so am not really biased in whether labour should stay or not. however seeing as people are unhappy atm and brown wasnt actually elected in i think there should be a general election so people can have their say. im not opposing anyone here, as everyones entitled to their opinions and political beliefs, but the people who are saying that people should give brown time to change are probably the same people who were quick to want the conservatives out last time. likewise, some of the people who definitely want labour out asap were probably wanting the conservatives to have a chance when they messed up last time (not saying everyone cos obviously i dunno what people think). i just think if you have always supported one political party strongly you are gonna support them when things get bad even if someone else might be able to do the job better. at the end of the day, if more people want labour out than want them to stay then thats what should happen, whether thats the best option or not
i dont really remember what living with a conservative government was like, i was only 9 at the time labour came to power. however looking at local council, kent council is conservative while medway council is labour (im pretty certain, even though medway is in kent for some reason its different). anyway having lived in both medway and canterbury, i have experienced both councils and kent council as a whole seems to do a much better job than medway council who have been pretty useless for ages. although that doesnt say that just cos conservative seem to run a local council better doesnt mean that they would necessary run the country as a whole better
but i think it was only 33% of the population who voted in the european elections, and statistics have shown that the BNP have received less votes this year than they have in previous years but have got into a seat because of the low turnout. If more people turned out and voted i dont think that they would get into power.
There should be one soon anyway as ther hasnt been one held since was it four years ago, they are usually 4 year intervals. So maybe if there isnt one now Gordon Brown can try and hold for a year try and counterargue the BnPs policies give the people what they want to hear and he may be successful next june when there is a legal obligation to hold an eletion. There is only a maybe though and therefore with the ways hes heading waiting may be more harm than good.
In my own opinion a change is what the country needs.
Pinkbanana
10-06-2009, 21:08
I didnt vote. I know peeps fought for the rights of women to vote and all that... didn't one throw herself under the horse of the then King or something? But I just have nooo interest in helping elect a self-serving person...
I would vote in a general election.... but for whom, I have nooooo idea. As I think they are all as bad as each other... :searchme:
Chloe O'brien
10-06-2009, 22:09
Going by the result of the European elections, I would be very scared to hold a General election now because of the BNP possibly gaining even more power.
There is a guy at work who daughter goes to school after the summer holidays, he is trying to get her into a school outwith the catchment area as the one for his area is a deprived and low accademic results. I explained the procedures that I went through when I applied for a place outwith our catchment area when Marley started school. He blamed the local council (SNP) who have cut class sizes. I asked him at the last local election two years ago did he vote SNP he said yes, I said well bloody hell mind you. And that is what is going to happen to the rest of the country if voters don't use their vote wisely. Having the BNP gaining seats in europe is a clear sign of that.
I believe Gordon Brown, love him or hate him, needs to stay and show some back bone, sort this mess out and put measures in place that it can't be repeated by the next lot of ministers. I also believe that a change in government now will do more harm to the economic climate than good.
di marco
11-06-2009, 10:06
There should be one soon anyway as ther hasnt been one held since was it four years ago, they are usually 4 year intervals. So maybe if there isnt one now Gordon Brown can try and hold for a year try and counterargue the BnPs policies give the people what they want to hear and he may be successful next june when there is a legal obligation to hold an eletion. There is only a maybe though and therefore with the ways hes heading waiting may be more harm than good.
yeh if i remember rightly from my politics alevel they have to be held at least once every 5 years, although most of the time they hold them every 4 years
di marco
11-06-2009, 10:09
I didnt vote. I know peeps fought for the rights of women to vote and all that... didn't one throw herself under the horse of the then King or something? But I just have nooo interest in helping elect a self-serving person...
I would vote in a general election.... but for whom, I have nooooo idea. As I think they are all as bad as each other... :searchme:
yeh i didnt vote either. i was going to but my parents didnt go and i was gonna go when they went so i didnt either. in my area it was only european elections and not local ones and i was pretty happy with what i thought others would vote! (not the way to do things i know!) if id have been in canterbury i might have gone cos they had local ones as well. id most definitely vote in a general election but the european ones dont really count for much as my MEP cant really do much on their own
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