10 and 11 year old charged with attempted murder

[Perdita]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1168358/Slashed-head-toe-Brothers-10-11-giggle-dock-accused-attempted-murder-schoolboys.html


Is this another repeat of the James Bulger tragedy? Two young children prepared to maim and kill two other young children when all they should be doing is kicking a football around. What is happening in our society?

[Trinity]

God help us all.

[Siobhan]

I don't think the other kids are dead... they are seriously injured hence attempted murder.. it is an utter disgrace what is going on in our world

[Perdita]

I did not say the other kids were dead, I said that the two perpetrators were prepared to kill, hence the charge for attempted murder, not manslaughter. I feel shocked and must say that I feel quite disolusioned at times in these days. I know there has always been crime throughout human history but I can't help feeling that the world has become more violent and malicious over the past 40 years or so.

[Siobhan]

Sorry Perdy, I misread... I think, for me, the most shocking about this is that it is kids killing kids!! they are just babies 10 and 11 year olds

[Perdita]

Yes, I agree with you. I tend to blame the violent games that kids have access to, which seems to de-sensitise people towards violence. I know the label says to over 18 year old persons only but I know my stepson watched 18 censored movies when he was about 12 or 13. Parents are either not around to stop them or they don't care. I suppose there are not many things around for youngsters to get their kicks and excitement in other ways than to rob and knife each other. :(

[StarsOfCCTV]

Maybe it has something to do with their upbringing. Says in that article they had been in foster care for a month so obviously things were bad enough that they were taken away from their real family. Some people should not be allowed to have kids until they are capable to take care of them and teach them right from wrong.

[Siobhan]

I don't know if it is upbringing or not.. it depends on the child and how they adapt to that.. I know a parent who has 4 girls. She herself is a very lawful, decent parent.. out of her 4 girls only 1 went to college, has a fantastic job.. the other 3 dropped out of school, have been in trouble with the police and now have 2 or 3 kids for different fathers... They were all brought up in the same house, same parents, the only difference was the choice of friends the girls made...

Maybe it is not just the parents or the area but the choice you make of friends??? I don't know

[Perdita]

I think it is probably a combination of all things, upbringing, friends, social environment. Councils are scrapping everything for kids to do, play parks, youth centres etc. and other facilities have become too expensive where they still exist. And then of course, there is the PC brigade who forbid law abiding citizen to chastise a youngster they see doing wrong because they then end up in court rather than the other way around. :angry:

[di marco]

its disgusting how kids of that age could do that to other kids!

[di marco]

Yes, I agree with you. I tend to blame the violent games that kids have access to, which seems to de-sensitise people towards violence. I know the label says to over 18 year old persons only but I know my stepson watched 18 censored movies when he was about 12 or 13. Parents are either not around to stop them or they don't care. I suppose there are not many things around for youngsters to get their kicks and excitement in other ways than to rob and knife each other. :(

i dont think you can blame violent video games really. kids of 10 and 11 should know the difference between right and wrong and so should know doing what they did is wrong, whether they play these video games or not. im sure loads of kids play these games and most of them dont go out attacking people

[no1abbafan]

I work in a school with 4-5 year olds and what frightens me most is they are so violent even when playing, it's power rangers this and that, and they kick and punch each other, not realising it hurts, they see it as normal play, I think if they can do this at that age, they will have no concept of hurting another human being when they are older.

[Abigail]

I work in a school with 4-5 year olds and what frightens me most is they are so violent even when playing, it's power rangers this and that, and they kick and punch each other, not realising it hurts, they see it as normal play, I think if they can do this at that age, they will have no concept of hurting another human being when they are older.

I completely agree with you there. My four year old niece started kicking and punching shorting after watching Power Rangers. When her parents stopped her watching it, the kicking stopped.

I'm interested to know whether the kids intended to assault the victims or whether the heat of the moment over took them i.e. was it premeditated. It's a whole different ball game if the kids deliberately set out to cause serious injury and possibly death.

[Perdita]

That is why I think the violent games that kids play with can have an affect on youngsters, they are copying what they see.

[di marco]

maybe younger children yes, children who are 4, 5, 6, even 7 dont know fully the extent of right and wrong and are probably just acting out what they have seen/played. however by the time you get to 10 and 11yrs old you do know the different between something youve seen on tv or a computer game youve played and real life and you know what the consequences would be if you acted it out

[Pinkbanana]

THe sad thing is, that like the Bulger murderers, if convicted and sent away... these children will infact end up with a great education and a much better start to life than they, or other children, would normally get - that's our justice system for ya!

[Abbie]

I just find it, very very scary!

[Chloe O'brien]

The blame on why these little b******s did what they did to two other children lies with the parents, society can blame video games, tv programmes, movies whatever but who is allowing children to view this violence.

The heartbreaking reality is that these animals are going to walk away virtually scotch free just like James Bulger's killers as they are kids in the eyes of the law and can't be tried as adults despite the sickening crime they have committed. They will be held away in a secure childrens home, until the trial and once they have served their time them and their families will be given new identities, money and a new life on the other side of the world, while their victims will be scarred and traumatised for life.

The two brothers are with foster parents because the real junkie f**k parents don't give a sh*t. If the brothers are two young to convict then make the parents do the 10 or 15 year jail term.

[Joanne]

I have 2 daughters at Primary School. One is in Yr 1 and the other is in Yr3. In both classes there is a boy that you could describe as a child from hell. Both have differant upbringings - the Yr 1 boy's parents are in the pub every single day when I walk past it to pick my children up from school and they return to the pub with him once they've picked him up. The Yr 3 boy comes from a very affluent family, large house with iron gates and has everything money can buy.

As I said both boys are hellish at school. I've had to complain about both - the yr 3 boy for repeatedly flashing to my daughter and the yr 1 boy for whacking my 6 year old across the back with a hockey stick. Both children are violent towards other children, disobedient in class and have no respect whatsoever for authority. How do the school deal with them? The yr 1 has a box of toys to play with and the yr 3 boy has a chart on the wall with targets on it. One target is that if he keeps his hands and feet to himself at lunchtime and breaktime then he will be allowed to play on the computer. This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

There is another boy in yr 2 with similar "problems" and both of his parents are teachers at the school! One of them being head of Junior and responsible for dealing with the badly behaved children. (You're not allowed to call them naughty these days cos it lowers their self esteem.)

So who is responsible for the bad behaviour in these 3 boys? Parents, the school or are some kids just rotten? One thing for sure, I don't think this namby pamby pc approach helps one bit.

[Chloe O'brien]

Well if any of these boys were my kids they would be saying hello to the happy hand right across the backside. That is what is wrong and why so many children and young people are unruly they have no structure in their upbringing, they are not told or shown how to show respect then they become out of control. I still say the parents should be held accountable and they should be hit were it hurts in the wallet. Fine them everytime their child comits a crime. Take if off their beneifits the government have the resources to do that they can arrest someone salary for non-payment of council tax. If they are persistantly absent from school stop their free school meals and clothing allowance. Parents will soon do something about their kids when they are having to cough up.

[Pinkbanana]

. If they are persistantly absent from school stop their free school meals and clothing allowance. Parents will soon do something about their kids when they are having to cough up.

I do agree the buck starts and stops with the parents... I often think (regarding your above point) had parents should have their child benefit etc.. taken away if they constantly bring their child in late to school. As a teacher, I often have several children turning up late, one often rolls in around 10.30(!!!) because neither parent can be bothered getting out of bed.

If they thought their benefits were at stake, it might give them the added incentive (shame that wanting your child to have an education isnt a strong enough incentive) to get up on time, as the current taking them to court (they get around this by saying they are going to home tutor their children, so the case against them is dropped, and they suddenly have a change of heart and decide to return the child to school) is a big joke to some of these parents. I for one, can't help but think these children with parents, like I and others have mentioned above) haven't got a cat in hells chance.... :(