Ex Eastender's Brother stabbed to death

[Chloe O'brien]

Student killed in street stabbing


A school student has become the 17th teenager to be killed in London this year after being fatally stabbed.
Ben Kinsella, believed to be 16, was attacked during a row with a group of youths in York Way, in Holloway.
He was taken to hospital for treatment following the attack at about 0200 BST, but died several hours later. Two youths have been arrested.
Ben's sister, Brooke Kinsella - who played Kelly Taylor in the BBC soap EastEnders - said she was "devastated".
Police have urged any witnesses are to come forward.

'Pool of blood'
It is thought that Ben was at a party in a local pub when the row broke out with several youths.
A witness who saw him after the attack said: "His shirt had been pulled up and I could see red marks all over his stomach and then what looked like a wound and there was a pool of blood next to him.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif He was a bright kid, very high achieving academically and would have had some very good results to look forward to this summer http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif

Bob Hamlyn, head teacher, Holloway School
"There were ambulance men putting an oxygen mask on him and trying to help him."
One of the victim's friends said he made a desperate phone call minutes before he died.
The teenager, who did not want to be named, said: "He called me on the phone and just said 'Help'.
"He sounded really scared and then it just clicked off."
Brooke Kinsella played Kelly Taylor in the BBC soap

Brooke Kinsella, 24, her parents Debbie and George and her boyfriend, former EastEnders actor Ray Panthaki, were among those who paid their respects at the murder scene.
The actress Linda Robson also laid flowers at the scene.
Bob Hamlyn, Ben's headteacher at Holloway School, paid tribute to the popular student who came from "a lovely family".
"They are a lovely family and they are very supportive at school," he said.
"He was a bright kid, very high achieving academically, and would have had some very good results to look forward to this summer.
"He was also very sporty and had everything to live for, but that has been taken away from him now." In 2007, 27 teenagers were killed in the city - the worst year on record for teenage deaths.

[StarsOfCCTV]

The amount of teenagers being killed in London is just scary...I can't understand why teens carry knives around. Even if it's for protection, just don't do it! :(

Timeline of teens killed :( :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7395875.stm

[Perdita]

Another senseless killing of a youth by other youths, this is so frightening but I have no idea what anyone can do about this knife culture; seems the gangs are not caring about the devastation and heartache they are causing. :(

[Curly19]

Rest In Pace Ben

[Dr. Tangliss]

Back many years ago when I was young, I remember the local police walking the streets, this was in London and the thought of youths carrying knives was almost unheard of compared to today. I think that they should bring back more policing on the streets, especially in crime hotspots. What sickens me the most is that those who carry out these crimes tend to get minimum sentences and are out on bail before you know it, while those families who have lost their love ones will never see them again. Something needs to be done and soon.

[Perdita]

I agree with that statement, something needs to be done urgently.

[Katy]

its such a waste of life and if thats 17 in London already this year there has been at least 5 in Manchester maybe even more, theres got to be a way to stop this.

[Perdita]

Former EastEnders star Brooke Kinsella has appealed for youngsters to stop carrying weapons following the fatal stabbing of her younger brother.

Ben Kinsella, 16, died following an altercation which took place in Islington, north London, in the early hours of Sunday morning. Mr Kinsella is the 17th teenager to die as a result of violence in the capital this year.

Speaking at a press conference yesterday, Brooke, who played Kelly Taylor in the BBC One soap, called for an end to knife crime.

"Ben really was one of the kindest, gentlest and talented boys God has ever created," she said. "The love and joy he gave to everybody is proven by the vast number of people who have sent their loves and prayers."

"We always knew that Ben would make a truly special mark on this world - hopefully he will be the one who finally puts an end to this," the actress continued. "Please boys and girls put down your knives and weapons and think about the pain and suffering this will cause."

Two 16-year-olds who were arrested in connection with the incident have now been bailed.


My heart goes out to the Kinsella family and Ben's friends. Somehow, sadly, I don't think that this was the last fatal stabbing though :(

[Katy]

So has Linda robson, she was quoted alot on the radio today as it was her son Louis who was holding Ben when he died.

Its not fair people should be scared when they go out or more so the parents not knowing if there child will come back.

[sindydoll]

its a vicious circle for these young kids

[StarsOfCCTV]

And the thing is there's no mandatory education about guns or knives. That could do so much for kids. Perhaps it's too late to save my generation from killing each other but they can still catch the kids while they are young.

[Chloe O'brien]

Am I just being old-fashioned when I believe that if young people can't be convicted for the crimes they commit the their parents should be convited instead. There has been 17 murders in London this year and most of those responsible have been young people. Dr T made a valid point about more policing on the streets. It was the same when I was growing up we allways had a local bobby walking the beat. But society has changed, when I was young and you got into trouble by the police you were taken home and punished, if you broke someone's window with a ball you paid for the window out of your pocket money. Now Police won't walk the beat because they are too flaming scared, when they take young people back home to report their crimes to their parents they are faces with a hurl of abuse or the parents trying to pass the buck with the sob-story "oh they won't listen to me" These parents need to be forced to take action for their kids. If we cant jail the kids, Jail the parents instead.

I will say that of all the young people over the country who have lost their lives this year, all those responsible will be as young as their victims, but they did not decide to wake up one Saturday or Sunday morning and think oh I think I will go and kill someone today. No these scumbags would have had a history or violence from a young age. Now is the time for the government to start holding parents accountable if a boy of 12 is found guilty of a crime when he's 12 or 13 jail his parents before his crimes get out of hand.

[StarsOfCCTV]

I don't think the parents can be blamed fully for it though...I was watching the programs on gangs, guns and knives on channel 4 last night and this kid was talking about how his parents would ground him because of the people he hung around with and the stuff he did but he'd just jump out of the window...plus if a parent if working they can't keep an eye on their kids all the time. If you jail a parent then that's just keeping them from looking after their kid, possibly making the problem worse and if they are a single parent then the kid might have to go into care for a while. Sure some parents are guilty of not caring where their child goes or what they do (I've had friends who's parents are like that) but if a teenager starts going out of control I don't think there's much you can do. Obviously I don't have kids of my own but from personal experience...they can only turn their lives around if they want too, their parents aren't going to make a whole lot of difference..

The jail sentence should be increased for murderers though. Life should mean life not just 20 years.

[Chloe O'brien]

I understand a lot of what you say Stars, as I may be in the wrong or in the minority on this subject, but a parent you ground kids for not tidying their rooms or fighting with their brothers/sisters not for hanging around carrying a wepon. Its the same for all these kids who constantly binge drink and get taken to hospital 3 times a week, where are they getting the money from their parents. I know some teenagers can go off the rails despite their parents trying to keep them on the straight and narrow. If a child is taught right from wrong from and early age and brought up to respect values not left to hang as they grow then there will be lest chance that they will turn to a life of crime or god-forbid in an early grave. If a young person is going off the railes then support and educate the parents make them take responsiblities too many parents let their unruly kids be taken into care as it shifts the blame from them and it shouldn't

Lack of places to go for young people is also to blame, When I was a teenager we had two or three youth clubs that we could go to most of them were supervised by parents and I have help run youth-clubs before myself. Now everyone has to be fully disclosed, which I understand but many adults won't help out at youth clubs because they are not getting paid and it's left to the same small group of adult all the time. I f the governemnt were to put more resources into activities for young people but make it manditory that their parents help out on a rota basis. It would force a lot of parents to towing their kids into line and not shutting their door and letting their kids run riot while they watch EE in peace.

[Perdita]

I agree with the lack of facilities for youngsters probably being a large part of the problem, kids these days have nowhere to go or it is far too expensive. Youth Clubs have closed because of lack of staffing or authorities willing and/or able to finance a venue. Also the fact that both parents tend to be at work and not, as in my youth, where usually the mother was at home to keep an eye on things helped to keep youngsters off the street, getting bored. I know that everything is about money these days and all parts of life need more funding but I feel that kids and facilities for them always seem to get the short straw when monies are allocated. :(

[lizann]

RIP Ben Kinsella

Sympathies to Brooke and her family

[StarsOfCCTV]

I do agree about the lack of youth facilities, but today, we missed the coach to brighton so we just went around London, and to the science museum - which is actually quite fun! Under 18's travel free on coaches and the science museum is free so really kids don't have that much excuse not to do anything! If they actually did a bit of research they could find things to do for free. :searchme:

[Kim]

Aww poor Brooke; I didn't even know she had a brother until now. That's no age to die :(

[Kirsty :]]

I couldn't even imagine what his family and friends are going through right now :(

This whole gun/knife crime thing is getting way out of control!
I just do not understand why this is all happening, I definately agree with all your posts about parents not disciplining and lack of facilities and that there should be more education on this stuff.

At the end of the day there are so many natural things killing people what with natural disasters and so many illnesses, we don't need people taking lives away too! No-one has the right to take a life away like that, absolutely no-one.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Did anyone see in the sun today that they are doing a badge with a "K" on it that Ben designed originally as a family logo that public can get to show support of Brooke's plans to fight against knife crime.

[Pinkbanana]

I agree with the lack of facilities for youngsters probably being a large part of the problem, kids these days have nowhere to go or it is far too expensive. :(

There has been very little for youths to do for years, but we didnt have this knife culture or such anti-social behaviour 20/30 years ago.

I agree we need to invest more in young people, providing them with places to go and with things to do. However that I feel is only part of the answer. The decline of values, and respect...along with the breakdown of family life has a big part to play in this too IMO.

[StarsOfCCTV]

There was also an interview that Brooke and Linda Robson did on Richard and Judy today, talking about that. If those badges are available in shops etc I'll definitely pick one up/buy one.

[Perdita]

I could not watch it, I had to change channels as I just got too upset, welling up as I am writing this. :crying: It has got to stop.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

There was also an interview that Brooke and Linda Robson did on Richard and Judy today, talking about that. If those badges are available in shops etc I'll definitely pick one up/buy one.

I think you can only get them by sending off for one by post...i am sending off for one today

[Perdita]

Where do you write to? I would like to get one too.

[StarsOfCCTV]

Thanks. For anyone else:

To get a badge and show your support, send a stamped addressed envelope to Ben’s Knife Campaign, 1 Virginia St, London, E98 1SN. Delivery may take up to 28 days.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Thanks. For anyone else:

To get a badge and show your support, send a stamped addressed envelope to Ben’s Knife Campaign, 1 Virginia St, London, E98 1SN. Delivery may take up to 28 days.

Thanks for that i couldn't find my news paper for the address so thanks for doing it :D

Sent mine today so just gotta wait for it now then i will put it on my bag :D

[Perdita]

A notorious London crime gang has put out a contract on the heads of 16-year-old Ben Kinsella's killers.
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(What's this?)A notorious crime gang has put out a contract on the heads of Ben Kinsella's killers.

Associates of the vicious Adams family have vowed to carry out revenge "hits" for the 16-year-old's bloody death.

An underworld source told the Sunday Mirror: "His killers had better be watching their backs as they messed with the wrong person. Whoever they are, there is a contract out on their heads.

"If they're caught and sent to jail they'll get attacked inside and, if no one goes down for it, they'll be in for it outside.

"This senseless crime was carried out in the heart of the Adams gang turf.

"Whoever is proved to have done this will never be able to rest. They will be got in the end."

The Adams family, from North London, is one of the country's most feared and notorious crime gangs.

The vicious group was set up by "godfather" Terry Adams in the 1980s, along with brothers Tommy as financier and Patsy as enforcer, although it's not thought they are behind this threat.

The crime empire is believed to have been worth £200million after years of extortion, drugs running and contract killings.

Ben - brother of former EastEnders star Brooke Kinsella - was stabbed 11 times in a brutal attack after a row in Shillibeers bar in Islington, North London, last Sunday.

Three suspects accused of his murder appeared in court on Friday. The prosecutor refused to read out their addresses, saying "there may be reprisals".

The suspects - Juress Kika, 18, Michael Alleyne, 18, and Jade Braithwaite, 19 - were all remanded in custody by Highbury Magistrates' Court.

The trio will be kept away from other prisoners.

Police were last night investigating whether Ben was threatened by a gang before he was murdered, and have spoken to Ben's workmates at an internet cafe.

Ben had stopped a group of children stealing a bike and the eight gang members launched a five-month campaign of intimidation against him.

Friend James Law said: "Ever since we stopped them stealing that bike, they would come in every week or so and ask where it was. When we wouldn't tell them, they'd shout that we'd be sorry because they'd set their brothers on us."

James, who worked with Ben for five months, added: "Ben was a great person to work with. It is awful to think that he might have died just because of a stupid feud over a bike."

This is not the answer :(

[StarsOfCCTV]

No it really isn't. You don't deal with violence through more violence :(

[Pinkbanana]

No its not the answer, but I think there is some justice in that these people should be made to suffer, ie feel scared and have to watch their backs. Otherwise they are just sat there in a cosy prison cell getting free B&B...whereas Ben's family as going through turmoil and pain. It would be nice for them to feel some of that too. Am I totally wrong here??? :hmm:

[Perdita]

No, you are not totally wrong, they should feel the fear that Ben no doubt felt when he was stabbed and realised he was going to die :crying: But killing them is not right, the killings need to stop alltogether, not continue in revenge acts.

[StarsOfCCTV]

Unfortunately far from getting better it appears to be getting worse:

Four men, including a teenager, were stabbed to death in London on Thursday.

[Perdita]

I sent off for the badge, but must say I am rather confused with the design. I think it shows the letter 'K' with a jester's hat on top or some kind of crown, if I did not know where I got the badge from, I would not know what it is meant to represent (well, I still don't, to be honest :searchme: ) Is the 'K' meant to represent Ben Kinsella or knives or what? Any of you have any idea?

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

I sent off for the badge, but must say I am rather confused with the design. I think it shows the letter 'K' with a jester's hat on top or some kind of crown, if I did not know where I got the badge from, I would not know what it is meant to represent (well, I still don't, to be honest :searchme: ) Is the 'K' meant to represent Ben Kinsella or knives or what? Any of you have any idea?

Ben did a drawing saying 'Kinsella' he was a great little artist and wanted a family logo, so when he died they took the K that he used in that logo and put it on a badge

[Perdita]

I sent off for the badge, but must say I am rather confused with the design. I think it shows the letter 'K' with a jester's hat on top or some kind of crown, if I did not know where I got the badge from, I would not know what it is meant to represent (well, I still don't, to be honest :searchme: ) Is the 'K' meant to represent Ben Kinsella or knives or what? Any of you have any idea?

Ben did a drawing saying 'Kinsella' he was a great little artist and wanted a family logo, so when he died they took the K that he used in that logo and put it on a badge


Thank you, it makes sense to me now and I agree, the design is very artistic, I just did not understand the meaning of the letter 'K' before.

[Perdita]

Anti-knife campaigners have hit out at popstar Katy Perry for posing with a blade for a publicity shot.

The 'I Kissed A Girl' singer was branded "out of her mind" for glamorising knives, reports The Telegraph.

Perry's "edgy" publicity photograph emerged following the death of 16-year-old army cadet Joey Lappin, who was stabbed in Liverpool and died from his injuries. Police said the youngster, who lived with his family in Old Swan, had been "attacked without provocation".

The photograph shows the 23-year-old singer clasping a three-inch flick knife. Richard Taylor, 59, the father of Damilola Taylor, said: "This woman's behaviour is unacceptable. She must be out of her mind to pose for a picture like this. There is nothing glamorous about knives - they wreck families."

Sources said the picture was taken by Terry Richardson for Perry's new LP One Of The Boys, but has not been selected for use.

Perry will be in Liverpool next month to host the MTV Europe Music Awards.


Stupid girl and stupid promoters that let her :angry: