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irish eyes
06-11-2007, 16:33
Monday
Ronnie worries about the contract she has had drawn up with Jack, in this week's first visit to Albert Square. Steven, meanwhile, starts to get competitive with Ian and they argue.
Lucy, meanwhile, tries to persuade Ian to let her have a party for her birthday, but goes ahead with the invites before Ian has a chance to agree.
Tuesday
A secret is revealed at the club and looks set to split up Ronnie and Roxy, in tonight's visit to Albert Square.
Elsewhere, Phil contemplates returning to his alcoholic lifestyle as he realises the extent of Peggy's downfall.
Thursday
It's Peter and Lucy's birthday, but Steven is still causing trouble, in this week's penultimate visit to Albert Square. He's full of angst and upset, and is acting like a time bomb waiting to go off.
Meanwhile, there is tension between Ronnie and Roxy. Could the sisters be falling out?
Friday
Stacey continues to try to reason with Steven, who seems intent on sending himself up in flames, in this week's final visit to Walford.
Elsewhere, Ronnie and Roxy are still at loggerheads and Ronnie moves out of The Vic when she and Phil disagree.
Looks like Steven should have stayed in the clinic a lot longer and Lucy is still causing problems, a proper little teenager. :eek:
tammyy2j
07-11-2007, 10:50
Is it Phil or Jack who bought the club?
It was Jack :) He wants Ronnie to manage it for him as he is off back to Manchester, which will probably not happen, as this is soapland. :lol:
Lizzie Brookes
07-11-2007, 13:31
Maybe - but the clinic did say he was well enough to go. My reading of it is that when he is ostacrised by the family after trying to make amends he tries to do himself in but Stacey stops him.
I wonder if Steven will be there for Stacey when her affair with Max comes out. I mean she was there for him when he was in trouble and from the sound of it they form a strong friendship.
sean slater
09-11-2007, 23:49
Why is Stacey involved? Do you think this is the bad boy that she's rumoured to sleep with after the revelation about her and Max comes to light?
Lizzie Brookes
10-11-2007, 07:41
No. I think they just become friends and so she is concerned about him and tries to help him. Steven and Stacey don't go together at all. What would it be? Staven? No. Doesn't work. A man and woman can just be friends. Sharon and Mark were. Anyhow Steven's younger than her. I think I heard that she and Max console each other by jumpuing into bed together but the spark has now gone. She may have had a one night stand with Deano to get over Max but I am sure she wouild never do that to someone as mentally vurnerable as Steven, understanding mental illness as she does since sher had to look after Jean all her life.
CrazyLea
10-11-2007, 16:38
Haha
Steven and Stacey don't go together at all. What would it be? Staven? No. Doesn't work.
Just because they're name joined doesn't sound right, doesn't mean they couldn't be. Not that I'm saying they will be together, just that was a bit weird to say that.
My mum and dad - Stuian or Gillart... hmmm :hmm:.
Lizzie Brookes
07-12-2007, 10:58
I just saw the preview clip.Aaron said that Steven doesn't intend to kill Stacey, he only inends to kill himself and he asks her to leave so that he can but she is determined to stop him doing something stupid but in the preview clip Staey like Ian in the car doesn't take himseriously at first but I wonder hy he locks the door and stops her leaving if he doesn't intend to kill her.
Pinkbanana
07-12-2007, 17:09
I just saw the preview clip.Aaron said that Steven doesn't intend to kill Stacey, he only inends to kill himself and he asks her to leave, I wonder hy he locks the door and stops her leaving if he doesn't intend to kill her.
Because he is deranged, unwell and should be tucked up in a mental hospital, where he cant do any harm to either himself or others!!!!
Lizzie Brookes
07-12-2007, 17:28
He was in a mental hospital for a few weeks but then got discharged. It has helped somewhat as he is no longer shaking. He must have had some kind of mental breakdown or anxiety disorder and he is no longer deluded as he accepts Ian is not respobsible for Cindy dying in pison. He is not fully better but I don't think he is deranged. He's in an excitable/emotional condition yes but I don't believe he would hurt Stacey. I think this will be a bit like the gun scene. He said it wasn't for Ian and when Jane goaded hiom to say it was for him hev thought ghe might as well turn it on himself and it went off accidentally in the struggle. I think he did that perhaps because he was a bit desperate and didn't really know what he was doing. I don't believe he would ever become violent or hurt anyone intentionally ever - messed up or not. He just wouldn't. He probably got wound up when Stacey didn't take him seriously.
Pinkbanana
07-12-2007, 18:03
He was in a mental hospital for a few weeks but then got discharged. It has helped somewhat as he is no longer shaking. He must have had some kind of mental breakdown or anxiety disorder and he is no longer deluded as he accepts Ian is not respobsible for Cindy dying in pison. He is not fully better but I don't think he is deranged. He's in an excitable/emotional condition yes but I don't believe he would hurt Stacey. I think this will be a bit like the gun scene. He said it wasn't for Ian and when Jane goaded hiom to say it was for him hev thought ghe might as well turn it on himself and it went off accidentally in the struggle. I think he did that perhaps because he was a bit desperate and didn't really know what he was doing. I don't believe he would ever become violent or hurt anyone intentionally ever - messed up or not. He just wouldn't. He probably got wound up when Stacey didn't take him seriously.
Honestly Lizzie, Jane 'goaded' him, then in another post you put Jane should have noticed he was unstable (or something) - I think your fixation for him clouds your judgement - HE is responsible for his own behaviour, not other people. You seem to be more critical of other people's behaviour, Ian's and Jane's, yet soooo accepting of Steven's.
Also how can you be so sure he wouldnt hurt anyone?! The guy is such a loose canon, he is probably capable of anything....
Lizzie Brookes
07-12-2007, 18:11
Nigel, You misunderstand. I was talking about two different episodes.
Jane goaded him on the 12th of October when the gun fell out of his pocket. She did not know that Lucy gave himCraig's gun and mum and I are both in agreement that it was very noble of Steven not to betray Lucy on Monday when Jane was demanding to know about the gun. If you remember Jane said "That was for Ian was it? Was that the idea? Oh do us all a favour and tell us it was for you. Give us some good news at last" - if that isn't goading what is it?
I was refering to October 5th when he kissed her - that was when I was surprised that Jane didn't reaise he was a disturbed young man.
I am not accepting of Steven's behaviour. It was wrongand however suicidal he feels it is still wrong to break into the garage or stop Stacey leaving. I can't condone that. Yet I can't help having sympathy and empathy for him. Judging by the way he is with his haf brother and sister I do not believe he is evil. He loves them. Ian thought that Steven wanted to keep Lucy locked uup but he didn't. He only brought her there to stop Ian attacking him. He is close to her and wouldn't hurt her for the world. The same applies to Pete and some extent Pat. Even Jane - the gunshot was accidental, he never once pointedthe gun at any of them. He never once did anything violent like lunging at someone to hit them or something. Observing the way he is I can't help trusting that he would never be aggressive, messed up or not. I respect your view but that's my view.
. I can't condone that. Yet I can't help having sympathy and empathy for him. Judging by the way he is with his haf brother and sister I do not believe he is evil. He loves them.
Just cause he loves Lucy and peter does not make him non evil or mental... do you have empathy for people in real life who kill their kids and then themselves just cause they loved them so much?
I know Steven hasn't killed anyone but it is far far too unstable and he has come close to killing Stacy and himself (twice, once with the gun, once in the garage).. He is mental unstable and need help but he is refusing it
That night in the flat when Steven shot Jane, that bullet could have ended up anywhere. He could just have easily have shot Lucy. He did put her in danger by taking her to the flat in the first place, by taking the gun with him and by getting the gun out.
He also totally messed with her head by pretending to be Cindy. Is that brotherly love?
That night in the flat when Steven shot Jane, that bullet could have ended up anywhere. He could just have easily have shot Lucy. He did put her in danger by taking her to the flat in the first place, by taking the gun with him and by getting the gun out.
He also totally messed with her head by pretending to be Cindy. Is that brotherly love?
Mental illness shows itself in all kind of manners, it does not mean that he does not love his siblings. I just find it strange that nobody has questioned whether he really is psychologically ok again or not, I hope they do now.
Lizzie Brookes
10-12-2007, 18:45
That night in the flat when Steven shot Jane, that bullet could have ended up anywhere. He could just have easily have shot Lucy. He did put her in danger by taking her to the flat in the first place, by taking the gun with him and by getting the gun out.
He also totally messed with her head by pretending to be Cindy. Is that brotherly love?
Mental illness shows itself in all kind of manners, it does not mean that he does not love his siblings. I just find it strange that nobody has questioned whether he really is psychologically ok again or not, I hope they do now.
Thanks Cupid - I was just about to say that. He only took Lucy there because he wanted to stop Ian attacking him. He put the gun down awhen Ian pointed out he was scaring Lucy. Out of everyone he could have confessedto/confided in he choseLucy as he is close to her.
Stacey and Bradley probably will. Bradley told Jean "He has lost it. Stumbling through the square, drinking vodka. I told him about thestall but I don't know how much went in. I don't know where that boy's head is but it is definitely not on this planet." Stacey will because she saw what he was about to do and herself made the decision to stop him though she put herself at risk.
Lizzie Brookes
10-12-2007, 18:54
. I can't condone that. Yet I can't help having sympathy and empathy for him. Judging by the way he is with his haf brother and sister I do not believe he is evil. He loves them.
Just cause he loves Lucy and peter does not make him non evil or mental... do you have empathy for people in real life who kill their kids and then themselves just cause they loved them so much?
I know Steven hasn't killed anyone but it is far far too unstable and he has come close to killing Stacy and himself (twice, once with the gun, once in the garage).. He is mental unstable and need help but he is refusing it
Not in real life no. In real life of course Steven would have been in prison but while I can understand what he is going through I can't condone his behaviour. This is a soap remember so things are exaggerated. Steven did not lure Stacey to the garage as he lured Ian to the flat. Stacey was worried about him and went there of her own free will. I know he stopped her leaving but he probably got fustrated that she thought it was a wind up. He didn't want Bradley to know where he was and since she had come he didn'rt want to be alone. When she asked him why he took her phone etc he told her she could leave and he wasn't keeping her there. He was trying to kill himself not her though luckily she talked him out of it. She's right. He needs a friend now. He needs to give family some space, act normal if meeting them in the square and stay with one or two supportive friends. He did not exactly refuse help. He admitted to Ian he was unwell resulting in him going to the clinic. The clinic discharged him. He did not refuse help, he sought it and got a bit better though not fully well but it was stupid to bin the medication that's all.
He loves his half brother and sister. When Jane asked him about the gun he did not betray Lucy which was very noble of him.
CrazyLea
10-12-2007, 22:08
The thing I personally find with characters in soaps is that it's very easy to care for the character, no matter what they do. There's been many a murderer that I just can't help forgive in soaps! EE have shown the aftermath with Steven aswell as with the Beales. I have sympathy for Steven too.
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 05:14
The thing I personally find with characters in soaps is that it's very easy to care for the character, no matter what they do. There's been many a murderer that I just can't help forgive in soaps! EE have shown the aftermath with Steven aswell as with the Beales. I have sympathy for Steven too.
I wouldn't go quite that far though. In Steven's case the shooting of Jane was accidental and not really his fault as Lucy gave him the gun but I hated Stella and while I had perhaps a sliver of sympathy for May Wright she deserved o be arrested and locked up for what she did. If I were in Lucy's shoes and it had been real life I would perhaps have visited Steven in prison because family love is unconditional.
but I hated Stella and while I had perhaps a sliver of sympathy for May Wright she deserved o be arrested and locked up for what she did.
I hated Stella for what she did to ben but when I seen the way the Mitchell treated her, i actually felt sorry for her.. The way the dress maker and Aunt Sal commented on her been ugly and plain.. I did really feel for her. She was out of her head and just wanted someone to love her
May, I felt for her too right up til the end where she decided to cut Dawn open.. but Steven.. I don't know what is it about him, I think he is taken stuff out on the wrong person.. He is angry at his Dad Simon but somehow feels the need to take this out on Ian....
The thing I personally find with characters in soaps is that it's very easy to care for the character, no matter what they do. There's been many a murderer that I just can't help forgive in soaps! EE have shown the aftermath with Steven aswell as with the Beales. I have sympathy for Steven too.
I wouldn't go quite that far though. In Steven's case the shooting of Jane was accidental and not really his fault as Lucy gave him the gun but I hated Stella and while I had perhaps a sliver of sympathy for May Wright she deserved o be arrested and locked up for what she did. If I were in Lucy's shoes and it had been real life I would perhaps have visited Steven in prison because family love is unconditional.
I don't know about family love being unconditional - in an ideal world yes it is, but my brother and dad haven't spoken for over 10 years since my parents divorced and as far as my dad is concerned now, my brother isn't even welcome at his funeral.
If I were Lucy, I would probably have visited Steven as I was the one that put the gun in his hand in the first instance, and it was accidental, but if it was on purpose etc - I'm not so sure then.
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 14:31
:sick:
but I hated Stella and while I had perhaps a sliver of sympathy for May Wright she deserved o be arrested and locked up for what she did.
I hated Stella for what she did to ben but when I seen the way the Mitchell treated her, i actually felt sorry for her.. The way the dress maker and Aunt Sal commented on her been ugly and plain.. I did really feel for her. She was out of her head and just wanted someone to love her
May, I felt for her too right up til the end where she decided to cut Dawn open.. but Steven.. I don't know what is it about him, I think he is taken stuff out on the wrong person.. He is angry at his Dad Simon but somehow feels the need to take this out on Ian....
That's interesting. The way you are about Steven is the way I am about both Stella and May and the way you are about Stella and May is the way I am about Steven. But different people have different readings I suppose. Steven at least never hurt anyone in a physical way whereas May handcuffed Dawn to that bed :sick: and Stella did allthose horrendous things to Ben :sick: - Stella's worse. oth women ought to have been imprisoned - at least one was. I liked May as a doctor at first buit then when she started to show her true colours I hated her. I liked Stella up until the time she hid from Ben in the London dungeons - that scared him to death. Children get so frightened when they can't find their carers - that was sick and it just grew worse. Can't blame Phil or Dawn for how they reacted, I'd have done the same. No sympathy whatsoever for May or Stella in my case. In Steven's case the gunshot was accidental and he's a messed up kid so I really feel for him.
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 14:33
The thing I personally find with characters in soaps is that it's very easy to care for the character, no matter what they do. There's been many a murderer that I just can't help forgive in soaps! EE have shown the aftermath with Steven aswell as with the Beales. I have sympathy for Steven too.
I wouldn't go quite that far though. In Steven's case the shooting of Jane was accidental and not really his fault as Lucy gave him the gun but I hated Stella and while I had perhaps a sliver of sympathy for May Wright she deserved o be arrested and locked up for what she did. If I were in Lucy's shoes and it had been real life I would perhaps have visited Steven in prison because family love is unconditional.
I don't know about family love being unconditional - in an ideal world yes it is, but my brother and dad haven't spoken for over 10 years since my parents divorced and as far as my dad is concerned now, my brother isn't even welcome at his funeral.
If I were Lucy, I would probably have visited Steven as I was the one that put the gun in his hand in the first instance, and it was accidental, but if it was on purpose etc - I'm not so sure then.
It was accidental and Lucy did givbe him the gun. He was in complete shock afterwards - going on about Simon as he cooked Lucy food and having that mental breakdown in the car.
Can't blame Phil or Dawn for how they reacted, I'd have done the same. No sympathy whatsoever for May or Stella in my case. In Steven's case the gunshot was accidental and he's a messed up kid so I really feel for him.
so by the same reasoning, you can't blame Jane or Ian for how they reacted??
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 14:57
Can't blame Phil or Dawn for how they reacted, I'd have done the same. No sympathy whatsoever for May or Stella in my case. In Steven's case the gunshot was accidental and he's a messed up kid so I really feel for him.
so by the same reasoning, you can't blame Jane or Ian for how they reacted??
It's understandasble that Ian and Jane feel angry, upset and betrayed because Steven did do wrong but Jane admitted she was wrong to hit him and I can't help wishing Ian had done what Jane did and just ignored Steven the first few weeks instead of sniping t him. It's clearly going to take time to build brdges as Lucy said and I am glad Steven is following Stacey's advice and stepping back for a while. It was a bit too cruel to smashj the snowglbe because that wasn'tt harming anyone. I don;'t blame Ian and Jane - I sympathise with them too but I am very sorry for Steven though i wasn't for Stella or May. I don't think prison would have done Steven any good and though as Tanya said what he did was criminal, he didn't mean to do it, it was an accident and it was unfortunate that the gun ended up in his hands. Stella was evil. May - well half way between Stella and Steven. Steven did wrong but was ill and is now repenting and trying to redeem himself. I never saw Stella or May repenting or admitting to needing help.
we shall see what happens with Steven.. I don't think he has redeemed himself.. he was asked to stay away but didn't... he should respect Ian and Jane and give them the space to come to him but he invade their home and that is not on
we shall see what happens with Steven.. I don't think he has redeemed himself.. he was asked to stay away but didn't... he should respect Ian and Jane and give them the space to come to him but he invade their home and that is not on
He is genuinely sorry for the accidental shooting, I think he must be told the extent of Jane's injuries to fully understand why his presence is not wanted by the Beales.
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 17:52
we shall see what happens with Steven.. I don't think he has redeemed himself.. he was asked to stay away but didn't... he should respect Ian and Jane and give them the space to come to him but he invade their home and that is not on
He is genuinely sorry for the accidental shooting, I think he must be told the extent of Jane's injuries to fully understand why his presence is not wanted by the Beales.
I agree with Cupid. He has redeemed himself somewhat by asking for and recieving help and by feeling sorry for what he has done. I know he is desperate to apologise and make amends but it is true that he needs to give Ian and Jane some space. He seemed to be following Stacey's advice on Friday and Monday - casually saying goodnight to Ian and then ignoring Ian when he came into the pub and sitting with Stacey and Bradley instead. He should know the truth about Jane - he has the right to know and if I were him I would want to know too.
I think the truth could really send him over the edge.. maybe it will make him think about his behaviour but known that he stopped Jane's chances of having kids might really mess him up
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 17:59
I think the truth could really send him over the edge.. maybe it will make him think about his behaviour but known that he stopped Jane's chances of having kids might really mess him up
I hope not. I don't want him to try and do himself in again. I hope Lucy admits to giving him Craig's gun. I know he won't betray her but it just isn't fair that he should bear all the blame. He was mosrtly but not fully to blame.
Why did he take the gun to the towerblock? Did someone make him do it? Why did he take the gun out of his bag?
Pinkbanana
11-12-2007, 18:23
Why did he take the gun to the towerblock? Did someone make him do it? Why did he take the gun out of his bag?
I know, people are banging on about Lucy giving him the gun (which she did cause she thought she could trust him to dispose of it!). But he was the one who decided to keep it, carry it and have it on that fateful night in the tower block!!! Surely, he is therefore responsible for what happened, and 99% of the blame lies with him, NOT Lucy!!!
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 18:27
Why did he take the gun to the towerblock? Did someone make him do it? Why did he take the gun out of his bag?
He took the gun out of his bag, not to use it but to stop Ian calling the police. I think anyone - sane or insane - would go to any lengths to stop the police being called on them. That is a natural reaction. He was going to hand it in but the policeman confused him by asking all those questions about Ian and he got agitated so he ended up keeping it. If he took it it was not to use it against anyone - he had no fixed plan at that point other than to let Ian out and end his charade. He pobably wanted to kill himself with it which is what he tried to do and failed. Maybe nobody made him to it but he was ill and messed up and didn't really know what he was doing. He is mostly but not fully to blame. I respect your view but I stand by my own that it was unfortunate that the gun ended up with him since he never had or intended to use one until Lucy happened to give it to him and he is not betraying Lucy which is very noble of him.
Pinkbanana
11-12-2007, 18:31
Why did he take the gun to the towerblock? Did someone make him do it? Why did he take the gun out of his bag?
He took the gun out of his bag, not to use it but to stop Ian calling the police. I think anyone - sane or insane - would go to any lengths to stop the police being called on them. That is a natural reaction. He was going to hand it in but the policeman confused him by asking all those questions about Ian and he got agitated so he ended up keeping it. If he took it it was not to use it against anyone - he had no fixed plan at that point other than to let Ian out and end his charade. He pobably wanted to kill himself with it which is what he tried to do and failed. Maybe nobody made him to it but he was ill and messed up and didn't really know what he was doing. He is mostly but not fully to blame. I respect your view but I stand by my own that it was unfortunate that the gun ended up with him since he never had or intended to use one until Lucy happened to give it to him and he is not betraying Lucy which is very noble of him.
Again, if he had no intention of using it, why did he have it on him!!!
Anyone sane would have done the same thing?! Anyone sane would not have locked up a man for nearly two weeks in a flat, whilst pretending to his sister that he was their dead mum! :rolleyes:
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 18:35
Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. Of course a sane person would not stalk or kidnap someone. Lucy and Steven both agreed that his behaviour was screwed and it was - photos to make it look as thoughCindy was alive, locking Ian up etc - of course those actions were not done by someone in their right mind. I was just saying that you don't have to be insane to stop someone calling the police because anyone would stop someone handing them over to the police.
Pinkbanana
11-12-2007, 18:37
[QUOTE=Lizzie Brookes;545755]Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. QUOTE]
A sane person would not stop someone with a gun! That was your reasoning why he had the gun with him!!!
Lizzie Brookes
11-12-2007, 18:49
[QUOTE=Lizzie Brookes;545755]Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. QUOTE]
A sane person would not stop someone with a gun! That was your reasoning why he had the gun with him!!!
I agree that a sane person would not pull out a gun. Look - I'll elaborate. He was ill and messed up. The police scared him with those questions about Ian. He ended up keeping the gun. He couldn't really give it back to Lucy because she gave it to him to get rid of. He put it in his bag - hence his panic when Pat took his bag. Ok. He puts the gun in his bag. He wants to hand it into the police but then bottles it. The gun remains in the bag. He's probably not thinking about it much after that. He's more preoccupied with guilt over having locked up Ian etc.
He spontaneously decides to confess/show Lucy what he did. He can't risk anyone discovering the gun just as Luy couldn't risk it which is why she kept hiding it. To prevent someone finding it he has to keep it in his bag. Obviously he has to take his bag with him or he can't pay for train tickets etc. He's probably not thinking about the gun all the time he is inthe train etc - more worried that he'll lose Lucy and that she'll hate him. He tells Ian it is over and that he's come to let him go. Ian still wants to call the police. Steven tries to talk him out of it - "It all got out of hand...I never meant...." Ian is adamant. Steven is messed up and obviously not right in the head. He thinks of the gun and points it at Ian who gives the pone to Lucy. He puts the gun down when its obvious he's scarting his little half sister whom he genuinely loves.
He says it is not safe for her to go outside in the dark onher own but Ian tells her to wait in the kitchen. He puts the gun away. Then no gun - He and Ian talk etc but it falls out of his bag when Jane comes in and punches him. He does pick it up and put it in his lap - probably considering suicide but still he never pointed it at any of the others. Jane goads him and he decides to kill himself - then of course all four struggle, gun is accidentally fired etc. Ok Steven took the gun to the flat but I don't think he did that consiously and he had no intention of using it. He pulled it out on the spur of the moment to stop Ian calling the police because he was messed up. He thought - his mum is dead, his stepdad hates him and his real dad is neglecting him so he might as well end it by commiting suicide when Jane gave him the idea.
Pinkbanana
11-12-2007, 21:58
[QUOTE=Lizzie Brookes;545755]Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. QUOTE]
A sane person would not stop someone with a gun! That was your reasoning why he had the gun with him!!!
I agree that a sane person would not pull out a gun. Look - I'll elaborate. He was ill and messed up. The police scared him with those questions about Ian. He ended up keeping the gun. He couldn't really give it back to Lucy because she gave it to him to get rid of. He put it in his bag - hence his panic when Pat took his bag. Ok. He puts the gun in his bag. He wants to hand it into the police but then bottles it. The gun remains in the bag. He's probably not thinking about it much after that. He's more preoccupied with guilt over having locked up Ian etc.
He spontaneously decides to confess/show Lucy what he did. He can't risk anyone discovering the gun just as Luy couldn't risk it which is why she kept hiding it. To prevent someone finding it he has to keep it in his bag. Obviously he has to take his bag with him or he can't pay for train tickets etc. He's probably not thinking about the gun all the time he is inthe train etc - more worried that he'll lose Lucy and that she'll hate him. He tells Ian it is over and that he's come to let him go. Ian still wants to call the police. Steven tries to talk him out of it - "It all got out of hand...I never meant...." Ian is adamant. Steven is messed up and obviously not right in the head. He thinks of the gun and points it at Ian who gives the pone to Lucy. He puts the gun down when its obvious he's scarting his little half sister whom he genuinely loves.
He says it is not safe for her to go outside in the dark onher own but Ian tells her to wait in the kitchen. He puts the gun away. Then no gun - He and Ian talk etc but it falls out of his bag when Jane comes in and punches him. He does pick it up and put it in his lap - probably considering suicide but still he never pointed it at any of the others. Jane goads him and he decides to kill himself - then of course all four struggle, gun is accidentally fired etc. Ok Steven took the gun to the flat but I don't think he did that consiously and he had no intention of using it. He pulled it out on the spur of the moment to stop Ian calling the police because he was messed up. He thought - his mum is dead, his stepdad hates him and his real dad is neglecting him so he might as well end it by commiting suicide when Jane gave him the idea.
Sorry, I find your post a bit patronising... I still think that if he had no intention of using the gun, he would have disposed of it and not taken it to the tower block. Lucy gave him the gun to dispose of. He didnt do that. Soooo he is responsible, and to blame for what happened to Jane, not Lucy. As far as she was concerned he had go rid of it!
Of course he's responsible. I don't buy into the notion that he wasn't conscious of having the gun on him either.
My guess is that he is bound to find out soon anyway. The usual way in soapland - somebody blurts it out in an argument or Steven overhears "accidentally".
Sorry, I find your post a bit patronising... I still think that if he had no intention of using the gun, he would have disposed of it and not taken it to the tower block. Lucy gave him the gun to dispose of. He didnt do that. Soooo he is responsible, and to blame for what happened to Jane, not Lucy. As far as she was concerned he had go rid of it!
Lucy gave him the gun cause she trust him and didn't realise he was not well but I feel the gun gave him power.. As you said, why take it with him, if he had no intention of using it, he would have dumped it like he promised Lucy. The gun gave him power to hold over Ian, he had no intention of getting rid of it and all intention of using it (maybe not to shoot anyone) but as a scare tactic
Lizzie Brookes
12-12-2007, 09:52
[QUOTE=Lizzie Brookes;545755]Nigel - you misunderstand me. I only said that anyone whether sane or normal would automatically stop a person from calling the police on them. QUOTE]
A sane person would not stop someone with a gun! That was your reasoning why he had the gun with him!!!
I agree that a sane person would not pull out a gun. Look - I'll elaborate. He was ill and messed up. The police scared him with those questions about Ian. He ended up keeping the gun. He couldn't really give it back to Lucy because she gave it to him to get rid of. He put it in his bag - hence his panic when Pat took his bag. Ok. He puts the gun in his bag. He wants to hand it into the police but then bottles it. The gun remains in the bag. He's probably not thinking about it much after that. He's more preoccupied with guilt over having locked up Ian etc.
He spontaneously decides to confess/show Lucy what he did. He can't risk anyone discovering the gun just as Luy couldn't risk it which is why she kept hiding it. To prevent someone finding it he has to keep it in his bag. Obviously he has to take his bag with him or he can't pay for train tickets etc. He's probably not thinking about the gun all the time he is inthe train etc - more worried that he'll lose Lucy and that she'll hate him. He tells Ian it is over and that he's come to let him go. Ian still wants to call the police. Steven tries to talk him out of it - "It all got out of hand...I never meant...." Ian is adamant. Steven is messed up and obviously not right in the head. He thinks of the gun and points it at Ian who gives the pone to Lucy. He puts the gun down when its obvious he's scarting his little half sister whom he genuinely loves.
He says it is not safe for her to go outside in the dark onher own but Ian tells her to wait in the kitchen. He puts the gun away. Then no gun - He and Ian talk etc but it falls out of his bag when Jane comes in and punches him. He does pick it up and put it in his lap - probably considering suicide but still he never pointed it at any of the others. Jane goads him and he decides to kill himself - then of course all four struggle, gun is accidentally fired etc. Ok Steven took the gun to the flat but I don't think he did that consiously and he had no intention of using it. He pulled it out on the spur of the moment to stop Ian calling the police because he was messed up. He thought - his mum is dead, his stepdad hates him and his real dad is neglecting him so he might as well end it by commiting suicide when Jane gave him the idea.
Sorry, I find your post a bit patronising... I still think that if he had no intention of using the gun, he would have disposed of it and not taken it to the tower block. Lucy gave him the gun to dispose of. He didnt do that. Soooo he is responsible, and to blame for what happened to Jane, not Lucy. As far as she was concerned he had go rid of it!
I'm sorry fouind it patronising. I didn't mean it like that. I'm not blaming Lucy - naturally she thought she could trust her half brother and didn't know that he was unhinged but Ian and Jane are riong in thinking that he had the gun all along and intended to shoot one of them. It was unfortunate that the gun ended up in his hand and when Jane questioned him about the gun he did not betray Lucy as he loves his half sister. I know he took it with him to scare ian but we all know he was unwell at the time. We'll always have different opinions on Steven but i think we are all agreed that Aaron is doing a fantastic job in playing him.
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