Week 45

[irish eyes]

Monday 5 November

In the first of this week's visits to Albert Square, Sean goes to see his mum after Charlie urges him to be there for her more.

Elsewhere, Jase is annoyed when he finds out that Jay has been out with one of his old mates.

Ronnie, meanwhile, is surprised with Roxy's new purchases.


Tuesday 6 November

Sean takes drastic measures and, elsewhere, Ronnie is annoyed when she finds out that she has been gazumped.

Meanwhile, Jane returns home from hospital.

Thursday 8 November

In tonight's visit to Walford, Sean heads back to the Square after staying with his mum.

Ronnie, meanwhile, is annoyed to discover who the new owner of the club is and Pat visits Steven at the clinic and makes a surprising decision.

Elsewhere, things are tense between Ian and Jane.

Friday 9 November

Pat tries to persuade Ian to talk to Steven, while Jane confides in Tanya about recent events, in this week's final visit to Albert Square. Billy, meanwhile, receives some unwelcome news.

[Florijo]

Oh goodie. Some Sean and Jean scenes! Wonder what the drastic measures are?

[Joanne]

Yes, I'm really interested in finding out more about the relationship between Sean and his Mum too.

[tammyy2j]

I'm thinking Jack or Phil has bought the club (Scarletts)

[Florijo]

I think Jack buys it. He seems the type - very Steve Owen like

[Joanne]

My first reaction was that maybe Roxy buys it? It says Ronnie is surprised by her purchases so maybe she has come into some money somehow?

[Dutchgirl]

Ronnie is annoyed when she finds out that she has been gazumped.

What do they mean with gazumped?

[JustJodi]

Billy recieving some UNWELCOME news ??? wonder what that could be ???:searchme:

Who is Jack?? Honeys dad ?? I didn't think he was ever gonna come back due to the fact that the actor playing him had Cancer ..

I wonder now if I was right,, Pat may end up taking Steven back to New Zealand... what do you guys think ( as I said in another post I thought it was time for Pat to take a vacation , shes loosing her TAN lol )

tension between Ian and Jane will probably have something to do with having Steven sectioned rather than arrested ???:searchme:

[Florijo]

No, not Honey's dad, the new Branning brother coming in to the show.

[JustJodi]

No, not Honey's dad, the new Branning brother coming in to the show.


wow Bradley will have an Uncle Jack ,, awesome,, so there is going to be an interesting time on the square :ninja:

[Abigail]

Ronnie is annoyed when she finds out that she has been gazumped.

What do they mean with gazumped?

Gazumping is when the vendor accepts a higher priced offer at the last minute from another party.

[desire786]

the new branning brother
phil from the bill
hes sooo hot!!!:love:
cant wait for him to come on:cheer:

[tammyy2j]

Has the wedding already happened?

[Florijo]

No. Next Thursday for an hour.

[JustJodi]

I have a feeling that this wedding is something none of us wanna miss,, it could go either way,,, but if EE is true to form,, it may end in tears and alot of harsh words...or it could be all hearts and flowers,, who knows:searchme:


btw gang I HAVE NO CLUE WHO PHIL FROM THE BILL is,, I do not watch the BILL :eek: Only because Holland does not have it on any of their prime channels on cable :(

[Perdita]

I think I have read somewhere that Billy gets evicted from his flat and of course Honey is due to have her baby soon, so things are getting a bit tight.

[Joanne]

Where are Billy and Honey living at the moment? Are they still in the same flat as before? We haven't seen any scenes of them at home for absolutely ages.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wonder why Tanya slaps Ian when Jane confides in her about recent events. This must mean Tanya knows Ian was held hostage in that flat for three weeks by Steven - in that case it's Steven she ought to slap not Ian.

[Pinkbanana]

I wonder why Tanya slaps Ian when Jane confides in her about recent events. This must mean Tanya knows Ian was held hostage in that flat for three weeks by Steven - in that case it's Steven she ought to slap not Ian.

She probably annoyed that Ian is covering for Steven. When he should have gone to the police about what had happened, especially after the shooting.

[Lizzie Brookes]

He didn't have any alternative though. He rightly shouted at Steven in the car but then Steven had a mental breakdown and it wasn't safe to just leave him there in the state he was in. I understand that she's being a loyal friend but evenJane urged Ianto section Steven at first. Besides Lucy lied to the police to protect him and Ian didn't want her getting into trouble and anyway I doubt prison would do Steven much good - if anything it would make him worse. I suppose discharged patients are not alloed to remain in the clinic or Steven could have stayed there a bit longer and we could have had some scenes seeing how he coped there - that way we are happy because Steven's on screen and Ianand Jane get some space too.

[Pinkbanana]

He didn't have any alternative though. He rightly shouted at Steven in the car but then Steven had a mental breakdown and it wasn't safe to just leave him there in the state he was in. I understand that she's being a loyal friend but evenJane urged Ianto section Steven at first. Besides Lucy lied to the police to protect him and Ian didn't want her getting into trouble and anyway I doubt prison would do Steven much good - if anything it would make him worse. I suppose discharged patients are not alloed to remain in the clinic or Steven could have stayed there a bit longer and we could have had some scenes seeing how he coped there - that way we are happy because Steven's on screen and Ianand Jane get some space too.

He had no choice?! :eek: Erm, ofcourse he did!

Ian should have got the police involved straight away, if Steven was mentally unstable, then they would have assessed him and sectioned him anyway, rather than putting him in prison. That way he would have got all the help he required, rather than staying at some place for just a couple of weeks - thats going to do him some real good, isnt it! :rolleyes:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Well, you're entitled to your view.

But Lucy lied to the police and would have got into trouble for it if Ian had done that. Ian was under a lot of pressure anyway and I think under the cicumstances he did what he thought best. Besides I'm with Lucy in not wanting Steven toget a criminal record especially as the shooting of Jane was an accident and he didn't mean to. I wonder where he lives seeing that Pat and Ian think he's returned to New Zealand. He's right not to go though. New Zealand would mess him up again, undoing all the help he got. I suppiose he is good at living inonspiciously in Walford - he had to do that a lot when he was ill and stalking Ian after all. I think a few weeks was enough because he was starting to return to normal when he accepted that Ian could do nothing to save Cindy and when he called Ian "dad" for the first time in years.

[Pinkbanana]

Well, you're entitled to your view.

But Lucy lied to the police and would have got into trouble for it if Ian had done that. Ian was under a lot of pressure anyway and I think under the cicumstances he did what he thought best. Besides I'm with Lucy in not wanting Steven toget a criminal record especially as the shooting of Jane was an accident and he didn't mean to. .

I think under the circumstances, and being a minor, Lucy wouldnt have got into too much trouble, especially if Ian had given the correct information straight away.

Interesting, and slightly disturbing in my opinion, that you think Steven deserves no punishment/come back what so ever for what he's done! Just a oh well these things, ie shooting people just happens, or him bringing about a reign or terror is just one of those things, that should be just brushed under the carpet! :eek: If he had been handed over to the police, if truly mentally ill, would have ended up in a secure unit until he was deemed well enough anyway.

[Lizzie Brookes]

[/QUOTE]
I think under the circumstances, and being a minor, Lucy wouldnt have got into too much trouble, especially if Ian had given the correct information straight away.

Interesting, and slightly disturbing in my opinion, that you think Steven deserves no punishment/come back what so ever for what he's done! Just a oh well these things, ie shooting people just happens, or him bringing about a reign or terror is just one of those things, that should be just brushed under the carpet! :eek: If he had been handed over to the police, if truly mentally ill, would have ended up in a secure unit until he was deemed well enough anyway.[/QUOTE]

I'm not condoning what he did. Of course he shouldn't have done it. It was wrong. Even if the shooting was accidental, the campaign of terror was twisted and screwed - he himself agreed when Lucy made him see that. For example I think Tanya should slap Steven and not Ian because Steven is to blame not Ian and I wouldn't mind the family except perhaps Lucy and possibly Pat cold shouldering him for a bit though it'd be horrible if he was completely isolated. He should at least be made to see that he can't waltz back into walford "like a knioght on a white charger" this time and I was with Ian in shouting at him in the car until I saw he was mentally cracking up. You mustn't think I condone such actions, I don't. I just don't think in this case the police is the answer.

The clinic wouldn't have let him go if he were still dangerous, I'm sure of it and actually I noticed that other than the accidental shooting he never hurt anyone however unhinged he was. I just tend to judge from a person's past and present actions and seeing that he would never hurt Lucy or Peter and never did hurt them however erratic his behaviour, that he never actually hurt Ian physically or anything or in a dangerous way and that he was going to kill himself - well I just can't bring myself to be too hard on him.

[Pinkbanana]

I just tend to judge from a person's past and present actions and seeing that he would never hurt Lucy or Peter and never did hurt them however erratic his behaviour, that he never actually hurt Ian physically or anything or in a dangerous way and that he was going to kill himself - well I just can't bring myself to be too hard on him.

So pretending to be Lucy's dead mother, and communicating with Lucy for several months pretending to be Cindy and promising her that they would be together, didnt hurt her (or Peter who thought his mother had rejected him) in anyway?! :confused:

He didnt hurt Ian with all those mind games he played, or locking him up in a condemned block of flats?

Interesting....

[Lizzie Brookes]

Well yes - but remember he wasn't well. I noticed when Ian was telling Lucy Steven was sending the messages and messing with their minds he said "not yours" and put the gun down because he saw he was scaring his little sister. He's not evil, he's messed up. Yes he did hurt Ian psychologically but remember that he was deluded and thought Ian was responsible for Cindy's death inprison. His conversation with Pat made him see he was wrong in his judgement ad whenhe saw how upset everyone was he felt guilty and went to release him. He wouldn't have used the gun except perhaps to ill himself - he only took it out to stop Ian calling the police. I think you should go to the Digital Spy Forums and read the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread.

[Pinkbanana]

Well yes - but remember he wasn't well. I noticed when Ian was telling Lucy Steven was sending the messages and messing with their minds he said "not yours" and put the gun down because he saw he was scaring his little sister. He's not evil, he's messed up. Yes he did hurt Ian psychologically but remember that he was deluded and thought Ian was responsible for Cindy's death inprison. His conversation with Pat made him see he was wrong in his judgement ad whenhe saw how upset everyone was he felt guilty and went to release him. He wouldn't have used the gun except perhaps to ill himself - he only took it out to stop Ian calling the police. I think you should go to the Digital Spy Forums and read the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread.

Why would I want to read the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread? :confused:

As you said Im entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. I do wonder whether you would be quite sooo lenient, and liberal in your thinking, if it had been any other character, as you do some seem to have rather a fixation with Steven, which has (in my opinion) clouded your judgement. :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

There was a vote on the EastEnders website as to whether Steven was mixed-up or evil - at first they were equal but then Mixedup overtook afterFriday and Monday's episodes. The Steven Beale Appreciation thread has messages by those who like me think he's mixedup though of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Don't call it a fixation -it isn't. I'm just sorry for him and wouldn't mind being in Lucy's shoes. Lucy was slightly lenient with him though she made him see his actions were screwed up. I don't think anyone could hate him and certainly Lucy couldn't because he is her half brother still whtever he's done. I don't think that if it had been another charecter - well it just depends. Though I don't watch Coronation Street everything I heard about David Platt made me hatehim and I was :rolleyes: when one or two people were sorry for him. It depends on the person and situation. I'm glsd for instance Chelsea and Deano were banged up. They deserved that.

[Pinkbanana]

There was a vote on the EastEnders website as to whether Steven was mixed-up or evil - at first they were equal but then Mixedup overtook afterFriday and Monday's episodes. The Steven Beale Appreciation thread has messages by those who like me think he's mixedup though of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Don't call it a fixation -it isn't. I'm just sorry for him and wouldn't mind being in Lucy's shoes. Lucy was slightly lenient with him though she made him see his actions were screwed up. I don't think anyone could hate him and certainly Lucy couldn't because he is her half brother still whtever he's done. I don't think that if it had been another charecter - well it just depends. Though I don't watch Coronation Street everything I heard about David Platt made me hatehim and I was :rolleyes: when one or two people were sorry for him. It depends on the person and situation. I'm glsd for instance Chelsea and Deano were banged up. They deserved that.


Chelsea and Deanooooooo I agree did wrong, I totally agree, but you could argue that what they did wasnt premediated (initally), where as what Steven did was!!!! So cant understand how you can think that Chelsea and Deanoooo deserve being banged up, yet think Steven should get away with all he has done scott free!!! :confused:

[Lizzie Brookes]

I just kind of decide based on the circumstances and the charecter.

Ok - Chelsea and Deano - I agree it was not predmeditated but they were not mentally ill. They diliberately lied resulting in an innocent man going to prison for three weeks for attempted murder sio no sympathy there but very slowly mybe they can be forgiven and go back to normal.

In Steven's case he was mentally ill. Yes he organized that campaign of terror against Ian but how much control he had over his actions is unknown given his illness. the shooting of Jane was accidental seeing as they were all fighting with the gunto stop him committing suicide so his casse is different so I am more understanding/sympathetic and certainly have a lot of empathy with him.

Craig Dixon - a psychopath who deserves a life sentence for his unforgivable attack on Patrick.

In May Wright's case I was also sympathetic just as I was sympathetic towards Steven though I hated Stella for her treatment of Ben. It just depends on the charecter and the circumstances. I really hope Stevencan eventually be a part of the family - it doesn't feel right without him now.

[Perdita]

I think the whole Beale/Wicks clan needs counselling to come to terms with what happened, Steven might be released from the clinic, that does not mean he is cured and the whole family needs to sort their issues out pronto before somebody else has a breakdown.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that the whole family need counselling to come to terms with what has happened but I can't believe the clinic would release Steven if he was still dangerous.

[Joanne]

Do they know at the clinic that he shot someone though? Does Lucy know Jane has had to have a hysterectomy? Does Peter know anything at all?

[Perdita]

I agree that the whole family need counselling to come to terms with what has happened but I can't believe the clinic would release Steven if he was still dangerous.

Well, in real life this seems to happen quite often, lets hope he does not have a relapse. :nono:

[Lizzie Brookes]

If i were Peter Ian would have had no chance of keeping it secret from me. I would have badgered Ian and Lucy till one of them cracked but agreed to keep it secret.

No maybe the clinic doesn't know about the shooting but as it was accidental, that doesn't matter. No I don't think Lucy knows but she has a right to know as does Steven and I am sure Pat will tell Steven and Ian will tell Lucy.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that the whole family need counselling to come to terms with what has happened but I can't believe the clinic would release Steven if he was still dangerous.

Well, in real life this seems to happen quite often, lets hope he does not have a relapse. :nono:

I doubt he'd have a relapse. The viewers want to see Steven get better not more messed up. Since when has a dangerous person got out of setioning in real life unless they are better?

[Joanne]

If i were Peter Ian would have had no chance of keeping it secret from me. I would have badgered Ian and Lucy till one of them cracked but agreed to keep it secret.

No maybe the clinic doesn't know about the shooting but as it was accidental, that doesn't matter. No I don't think Lucy knows but she has a right to know as does Steven and I am sure Pat will tell Steven and Ian will tell Lucy.


So, if you accidentally shoot someone it doesn't matter?

[Lizzie Brookes]

You misunderstand. I said it doesn't matter that the clinic does not know about the shooting since it was accidental. Of course the shooting in itself matters, accidental or not.

[Joanne]

What I don't like about this storyline is the tragic consequences it has had for the person who least deserves it. At least in the May/Rob/Dawn story the right thing was done in the end because May was arrested and Dawn got to keep Summer.

For Jane there is no way that what has happened can be put right - she can never ever have her own child and that is just about as devastating as it can get for a woman.

[Lizzie Brookes]

The world doesn't always end happily ever after you know.

At least Jane is alive even if she can't have kids. Neither she nor Ian nor anyone else seems to have thought about that.

[Perdita]

[QUOTE=Perdita;539191][QUOTE=Lizzie Brookes;539189]
I doubt he'd have a relapse. The viewers want to see Steven get better not more messed up. Since when has a dangerous person got out of setioning in real life unless they are better?

Michael Stone killed Lin and Megan Russell after having been imprisoned several times for violent attacks, Peter Bryan, a cannbal killed 3 people and ate body parts of his last 2 victims after being released from a secure mental unit. The Virginia Tech campus killer Cho Seung-hui shot over 30 people after having spent time in a psychiatric institute. Schizophrenic Christopher Clunis stabbed musician Jonathan Zito, 27, at a London Underground station in 1992.
Jason Mitchell, 25, beheaded his father Robert and strangled pensioners Arthur and Shirley Williams in Bramford in Suffolk in 1994. After being arrested Mitchell was alleged to have sung It's a Wonderful Life in his police cell. In 1996 Darren Carr, 26, was jailed for the manslaughter of Susan Hearmon and her daughters Kylie, six, and Anne, four, after he set fire to their house in Abingdon in Oxfordshire. Carr had been detained in a psychiatric hospital before the killing but doctors decided he could be discharged. There are numerous more examples I could mention but that would take up too much space. Unfortunately, there will always be mentally ill people around that get released early from clinics, prisons etc. due to human error.

[JustJodi]

He didn't have any alternative though. He rightly shouted at Steven in the car but then Steven had a mental breakdown and it wasn't safe to just leave him there in the state he was in. I understand that she's being a loyal friend but evenJane urged Ianto section Steven at first. Besides Lucy lied to the police to protect him and Ian didn't want her getting into trouble and anyway I doubt prison would do Steven much good - if anything it would make him worse. I suppose discharged patients are not alloed to remain in the clinic or Steven could have stayed there a bit longer and we could have had some scenes seeing how he coped there - that way we are happy because Steven's on screen and Ianand Jane get some space too.

He had no choice?! :eek: Erm, ofcourse he did!

Ian should have got the police involved straight away, if Steven was mentally unstable, then they would have assessed him and sectioned him anyway, rather than putting him in prison. That way he would have got all the help he required, rather than staying at some place for just a couple of weeks - thats going to do him some real good, isnt it! :rolleyes:


There are always choices !!!!!! Ian made a bad one in my opinion. He should have done what PB said report it to the cops and ignore Lucy's pleas, cos the kid would have gotten help, if the police assess him as unstable they would have sectioned him to the mental health ward of the prison. Steven is a very very disturbed individual and what Ian did was WRONG, he should have let the police deal with Steven. I am sorry Lizzie but this kid deserves to be LOCKED UP and I have NO SYMPATHY for him.
I think Peridta also said mental health patients discharged too soon ( the ones who have been charged with criminal activities ) quite a few of them repeat their crimes cos they are in danger of themselves and others.
I for one would rather NOT see Steven back on the square, cos it is going to get spread all over the square that he SHOT JANE and kept Ian hostage for 2-3 weeks,, I am not sure I would want to be Steven. But that is just how I see it,,, :searchme:

[Perdita]

Steven ended up getting treatment in the end, it probably does not matter now how he got into the clinic. I just think that he has not been there long enough to deal with all the issues, I also think that the whole family should have got group conselling before Steven walks the streets of Walford again. But then it would not make good telly, would it. :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm surprised there are cases like that in real life but hopefully they are rare.

If he had been a psychopath and f he had diliberately shot Jane I would agree he deserves to rot in jail but he tried to kill himself and the shooting of Jane was totally accidental. Of course different people read situations in different ways and each to their own opinion but in Steven's case I am hopeful and I am sure he can redeem himself. I can't believe he is evil. He loves his brother and sister despite his mind games hurting them and he is close to Pat. I can't pretend I wouldn't have done exactly what Ian and Lucy did.

I still think that they should have him getting better and redeeming himself - even though there are mistaken discharges, doing this with Steven would send out a totally negative message and it would be an utter waste of Aaron's exceptional acting too. I can't want till Thursday. I want more Steven.

[parkerman]

What I still can't understand is how the police could possibly have swallowed the story Lucy told them. Ian goes missing for a week, then suddenly the whole family are on the top of a condemned block of flats and a "passer-by" just happens to shoot Jane and run off. Do me a favour. Please!:thumbsdow

[StarsOfCCTV]

I know! I just don't get that :p Why would a mugger chase them all the way up a block of flats and then shoot Jane :rolleyes: But then it's Eastenders, it doesn't have to make sense :lol:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Well we all know what Walford police are like. Anyway it is only a soap.

[JustJodi]

Well we all know what Walford police are like. Anyway it is only a soap.
Dunno if it is " only a soap" to some people LOL