Steven & Jane

[Lennie]

Steven kisses Jane today or attempts to :D lol

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(screencaps from todays episode :) )

There's been hints that Steven seems like he has a crush on Jane, i have noticed he is very nervous and clumsy around Jane, esp him dropping and spilling things, not only that he was keen to help out in the cafe.

And then what he said to her about finding someone else, and that she's young and all that, (me thinks he fancies Jane)

Then the end scene of tuesday's episode, him outside her door - that was a bit creepy.

I have kinda noticed that he looks at Jane with sincerity in his eyes, no hate or anger in them, - and he slightly has the love sick puppy thing going on, i am not sure whether its genuine or not esp right now, i like to think it is - coz i havent seen no evidence of him just trying to get one over Ian, even though he has Ian where he wants him (locked up)


I am not surprised really that he kisses her - he's like a shoulder to cry on, coz i find it too early for Steven to actually feel something for Jane - it doesnt seem geninue enough (but then again Jane is a pretty woman), i wouldnt mind something happening in the future, where Steven finally gets over his hatred for Ian, and rebuilds his life and relationship with Ian, but also has become very fond of Jane as well.

I think him trying to kiss Jane will come back at some stage if EE want to pursue something happening between Steven and Jane in the future - could be a good potential storyline, an older woman and younger guy - i wouldnt mind seeing that :)

Another thing i have to say is that Ian's women cant resist a Wicks man lol :D

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm glad in a way - I'm really looking forward to it. I suppose Jane is shocked because she wanted him to give her a shoulder to cry on and he took advantage of it. I think he does have a genuine liking for or crush on Jane. He has no problem with the rest of the family i.e. his brother, his sister, Jane, Pat but he has issues with Ian and has become quite unhinged. I often envy his charisma. Yes it is nice to see a younger guty with a crush on an older woman. That happens just as much as a young girl on an older guy. Steven's psychology really intrigues me. I'm definitely watching the omnibus tomorrow.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Wow - at the kiss lol, i thought it was only going to be him attempting to kiss her but he really kisses her on the lips lol

I can see what made him kiss her at that moment coz Jane touched his face and that gave him the go ahead :)

I did like the chat Jane and Steven had, been liking all their scenes lately

Listening outside to Jane say he is godsend, i think we saw the first genuine smile from him

[JustJodi]

I seriously think Steven read the signals wrong, he thought Jane was coming on to him , when she was just trying to encourage him to talk about his problems,,and he plants a kiss on her,, He obviously is one disturbed young man ( but again he always was a tad bit different even when he moved to NZ )
I have a feeling that Jane is going to have loads of problems with this young fella ...:searchme:

[Lizzie Brookes]

I hope she doesn't throw him out just because of the kiss. I know it was inappropriate but he did apologise immediately. I wish he had talked things through with her though. Ironically, for precisely the reason you mentioed (ie. him being a disturbed young man) I feel like talking through my problems with him.

[Lennie]

I think Steven deep down knows that Jane is not giving him signals, but the fact she touched his face and the close contact he had, he just went for it

He really needs to know the full story with Ian/Cindy relationship etc - it might just get him off this revenge thing he has going on

[Lizzie Brookes]

That picture you posted is confusing. I never once saw him hugging her like that. I thought he gave her a shoulder to cry on and then took advantage of it but it didn't happen. This way was better of course. I'm not completely shocked by this because youing boys can have crushes on older women. I wonder why she seems to think he is disturbed solely because of the kiss. Lot's of people do that and it doesn't mean they are unhinged though in Steven's case he is. Maybe he should just have told her "I'm afraid I'm getting a crush on you" or something like that since she said he could tell her anything and she would have been less shocked maybe. He did apologise immediately though but it is a shame he always puts his foot in it with her. I remember when Mickey got that crush on Tanya - he was too decent to actually kiss her - but both Tanya and Max realised it and they were not shocked though of course it is a different situation. Like Pat said he makes mistakes sometimes but he nearly always apologises straight away and despite what he did to Ian I'm with Pat in thinking he is not totally bad.

[Florijo]

I really hope nothing more happens between Jane/Steven. I'm totally against the Beale family being split up and the Stacey/father/son thing is enough for me. I don't mind a crush from Steven's POV but nothing more.

Having seen it again I don't blame him one bit for kissing Jane in that situation. I think he is totally confused about everything. Also I think the fact she was being nice to him and they were talking prompted the kiss as Jane was giving him the attention he wanted.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't blame him either. I have compassion for him though I agree that for everryone's safety he should be forced to get help. Unfortunately, knowing Jane, I think she might throw him out which is quite sad. I don't believe anything would happen between them anyhow - it is so obviously an adolescent crush. Iwonder if Jane ever tells Ian that Steven tried to kiss her. She certainly tells Pat from what I heard.

[Lennie]

Looks like Jane is back from the hospital and Steven from the health clinic next week

[Lizzie Brookes]

Fantastic. I can't wait to see Steven backl though I personally think he ought to lie low for a while after whathe did though i accept he was ill at the time. I wish You Tube had the episodes for Monday 1st Ocrtober and Thursday 4th October as well. I liked the scene between Lucy and Steven where he told her her mum was dead and some psycho was messing her about and the guinea pig scene and him being questioned by police, texting Jane and burning the phone.

[Perdita]

Look forward to see how Jane will react to Steven, now he ruined her chances of motherhood.

[Lennie]

Judging by what i have read in Inside Soap, it seems all anger Jane has is coming out onto Ian, as she blames him for the things in his past and whats happened to her now, so i wouldnt be surprised that Ian then takes out Jane's and his anger out on Steven when he returns

[Florijo]

I think he should be lying low too. Give Ian and Jane time to come to terms with everything that has happened. This has been a life changing event for Jane and Steven coming back so soon is hardly going to help her. As much as I like Steven, he should stay away. Instead we should see him and Pat together at the clinic and then he could see Jane and Ian. Still at least he is coming back! :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

If I had been Steven I might have with all respect refused Pat's offer to return to Walford and offered to stay longer in the clinic or if she insisted, return but stay away from the cafe and Ian's house.

[Perdita]

I agree, he should either stay in the clinic because he surely still has problems and issues to deal with or he should stay with Pat but keep out of Ian's and Jane's way as much as possible. Bet this is not how the writers are going to play it though :nono:

[JustJodi]

I think Steven should just stay in the clinic for a while longer, the help he got was not enough to even scratch surface of his deep and inbedded mental health issues.
If what Lizzie says is true he will go back and live with his grandmother Pat, this is not a good thing for Jane to be reminded of the mentally ill kid that caused her to loose her chance ever to be a MOTHER..Ian is going to be catching the brunt of Jane's wrath and Ian is going to take it out on Steven,, then Steven will be back to square one.. Its not a good place for Steven to be.. this is just HOW I SEE IT :searchme:

[Lizzie Brookes]

I think it's true from what I read in TV Choice but it could be a mistake. They mistakenly wrote under last Friday's episode that Steven returns to make amends with the Bealesbut I was absolutely sure that was a misprint and sure enough no sign or sound of him last Friday.

He was supposed to return on Boxing Day but I expect the producers brought the date forward because Aaron's a talented and popular actor and everyone wants to see Steven back. Despite of his deeply embedded mental health issues i noticed he was able to function for a while when he first walked into Waford in late September/early October. He only went off the rails after kissing Jane really though I noticed he always felt guilty and uncomfortable on seeing how upset everyone was about Ian.

Yes naturally Ian and Jane will take this out on Steven who will go backto square one but maybe Pat thinks that he will beisolated at the clinic which isn't good for him but surely the isolation will be greater inWalford, away from the mental health professionals who seem to undrstand him. I can't help having empathy for and sympathising with him, especially as what happened with Jane was otally accidental and he was in shock afterwards but he needs to realise that he can't just say "dad", it is not enough - though that was touching and shows he is going back to normal. He needs to work so hard to regain everyone's trust.

[Lennie]

Apparently the clinic say that Steven is well enough to go home, just few days after Jane is discharged from the hospital - Pat brings him home

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'll be glad to see him back. On Monday's episode - not sure why but i completely forgave Steven just as Lucy did though I don't codone his actions at all. I guess I'm just an easy forgiver. It would have been better for him to write to Jane though and slip the letter into the letter box if he really felt guilty and lie low for atime. Then at least she and Ian wouldn't need to see him.

[Pinkbanana]

I'll be glad to see him back. On Monday's episode - not sure why but i completely forgave Steven just as Lucy did though I don't codone his actions at all.

Completely forgive him? After everything he has done? :eek: You really do have the biggest crush on him! :lol:

Have I missed something - when did Lucy completely forgive him? :hmm: I think the whole Beale family need time together to come to terms with the consquences of Steven's actions, as it has impacted on all of them.

I think him turning up in the square, sooo soon after everything he has done, could be considered insensitive and rather selfish....

[Lizzie Brookes]

Well I suppose I got a bit carried away - well not completely but i was slightly sorry for him because he was ill. No I don't have a crush on him actually since I'm gay but I do see him the way Lucy does as a kind of older brother figure. Well, maybe he shouldn't have come back to the square so soon but I suppose Pat brings him back? I don't know - I thought Lucyforgave him when I saw their scenes together and her asking after him etc. Maybe I was wrong there, I would robably just find it awkward around him after what he did but he was ill at the time I suppose.

[Lennie]

We all know how worried Lucy was about Steven, she even suggested he run away but he was all numb and insisted on making breakfast lol

I was glad to see Jane and Steven back yesterday

[Lizzie Brookes]

I am glad to see them back too. I couldn't work out if Jane was angry or worried when she asked where Steven was. Yes Lucy was worried about him naturally - he is still her half brother whatever he has done and he assured Lucyu that he wasn't getting at her and it was Lucy he chose to confess to. She was gentle with him when making him see how screwed up his actions were - that was very moving. Yes he was in complete shock and had nowhere to go and anyway I doubt he would agree to run away like a coward unlike Deano and that makes me respect Steven.

[Lennie]

I am glad to see them back too. I couldn't work out if Jane was angry or worried when she asked where Steven was. Yes Lucy was worried about him naturally - he is still her half brother whatever he has done and he assured Lucyu that he wasn't getting at her and it was Lucy he chose to confess to. She was gentle with him when making him see how screwed up his actions were - that was very moving. Yes he was in complete shock and had nowhere to go and anyway I doubt he would agree to run away like a coward unlike Deano and that makes me respect Steven.

I was quite surprised that Jane asked after Steven and which clinic, she didnt even sound angry imo, i think she's worried and scared at the same time.

All Steven wanted after accidently shooting Jane and before that, to end this feeling he had, he was on edge and tensed - he couldnt take it anymore no wonder he took Lucy to Ian, coz he wanted it to end, how he had been feeling

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes I agree. That sums it up nicely - concerned about his welfare and scared of him being anywhere near her. I can't blame Steven for wanting it to end, I would too. I'm warming towards Steven now despite of what he has done. I'm soglad Pat went to see him, he needed that.

[Lennie]

Thanks :) - i think if Jane sees him again - she's gonna panic, she's weak right now and emotional

I am glad Pat went, she's the only family he's got and he needs that - and love and feeling of want

[Lizzie Brookes]

I can't blame Jane for panicing but if it were me I don't think I would. In the firsrt place everyone including Jane knows the gun went off by accident and she saw him hold it to his own head so it was obvious he wanted to kill himself and not one of them. In the second place he has no gun to hand now as Ian would definitely have destroyed it. In the third place I don't believe the clinic would let him out till he is well again and mistakes are thankfully rare and his love for his brother nd sister are obvious so I would just feel slightly awkward around him if it were me -- nothing more but I would refrain from asking Ian to forgive him until the right time obviously.

[Lennie]

^ i can see why the clinic want him out, firstly he has admitted something is wrong with so therefore has fully been comperating in the clinic and making progress.



Todays episodes was good

Steven seemed very vurnrable and fragile, whilst on the bed.

Pat is trying to be normal about everything but she seemed a bit reserved with him, i got the sense that they havent talked about what has happened (the shooting and Jane), no wonder they were playing cards, as it seemed Pat didnt want to talk and let everythign be normal

Pat getting at the doctor was a good sign of her not wanting to talk, we all know Steven is holding back and for very good reason.

Aww his face when he was told by Pat that he can live with her, he was relieved.


Ian is a fool, even i knew Jane wanted him to say sorry but he thought she was saying it to him :rolleyes:

Cant wait till what Jane tells Tanya tomorrow

Aww at Bobby and Jane's hug - Lucy does seem distant

[Lizzie Brookes]

To all Steven fans.

New clip up on You Tube - Steven meets Kevin. I watched it and it was great. Hopefully they will soon have Steven with Ab's guinea pig, the scene between Steven and Lucy on Monday October 1st and Steven being questioned, sending the text and burning Ian's phone on October 4th up too. Then we'll all be happy.

And Lennie, if you could tell the other Steven fans on the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread on the Digital Spy Forums - I know a lot of people like me wanted the episodes for the 1st and 4th of October on You Tube.

[Lennie]

Hey - cool, will do :)

Are you on digi spy by any chance?

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wanted to join it but it won't accept my e-mail address because I have a hotmail account but i have read the thread beginning to end and I think its great. I'd love to be in Lucy's shoes where Steven's concerned because I wouldn't mind having Steven for a brother.

[Lennie]

Cool and thanks :) yes, i can see Steven protective of Lucy and Peter

You havent got a virgin media, ntlworld or bt account?

PM me, i will try and make you a virgin media account, give me your hotmail add and what username will be suitable :) (i would try to PM you with this message but you havent got a PM)

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't really want to give my e-mail address to anyone I don't know - you understand don't you? My mum has a BT internet account but I don't want her inbox full of e-mails saying I replied to Steven Beale Appreciation Thread on DS. Never mind. I can still read it.

[Lennie]

Ok. cool :)


Back to Steven and Jane lol


Looking forward to her telling Tanya tonight, will she tell her that is was Steven or just say some stranger shot her

[Lizzie Brookes]

She will probably say it is Steven - if a stranger shot her why bother to lie about Jane in hospital with a burst appendix and why not call the police? I wonder how Ian will react if and when Jane tells him Steven kissedher. There are still so many loose ends to tie up.

[Lennie]

Yeah, but telling Tanya the whole truth or half of it will be interesting

Yes, in a way Tanya would think why did Ian lie about it - or think they want to keep it quiet

I think the kiss will come back and haunt them esp Jane and Steven, i can see Steven falling for her, i found that he was genuine when he liked her before

[JustJodi]

Remember Ian is now on Janes poop list for lying to people about her being in the hospital, and keeping her friends away , so I do HOPE she tells Tanya about Steven ..that may be a good thing,,Jane needs to talk to someone cos obviously Ian is not the person she can talk to ( sad isn't it when her husband is not accessible:( )

Jane would be so much better off with out Ian:thumbsdow ,, he lies, all the time, and hes a selfish SOB...Its all about how it will affect IAN not how it will affect Jane or the rest of his family.

Steven is going to have a long and heartbreaking battle getting back to either Ian or Janes "good side ":searchme:

[Lizzie Brookes]

I can understand why Ian lied. It's a disgraceful thing to tell anyone - oh my wife is in hospital because my stepson went crazy and tried to shoot himself and when we stopped him the gun went off in the struggle. I would have done the same except I'd have perhaps consulted her first maybe.

[Lennie]

Remember Ian is now on Janes poop list for lying to people about her being in the hospital, and keeping her friends away , so I do HOPE she tells Tanya about Steven ..that may be a good thing,,Jane needs to talk to someone cos obviously Ian is not the person she can talk to ( sad isn't it when her husband is not accessible:( )

Jane would be so much better off with out Ian:thumbsdow ,, he lies, all the time, and hes a selfish SOB...Its all about how it will affect IAN not how it will affect Jane or the rest of his family.

Steven is going to have a long and heartbreaking battle getting back to either Ian or Janes "good side ":searchme:



I do think Jane needs someone to confide in and it will do her some good getting off her chest and Tanya is her closest friend
I cant wait till Tanya slaps Ian which i think is tonight

Ian's stupid even like yesterday, he thought she was saying sorry to him :rolleyes:

I think Ian's so lucky to have Jane, and he does take advantage of her

I agree, Steven got a long way to go - in all this i feel sorry for Steven and Jane mostly, half of the things Ian brings it on himself lol

[Lennie]

I can understand why Ian lied. It's a disgraceful thing to tell anyone - oh my wife is in hospital because my stepson went crazy and tried to shoot himself and when we stopped him the gun went off in the struggle. I would have done the same except I'd have perhaps consulted her first maybe.

True, but Jane went into the operating theatre and Ian went home to change, and Tanya bust in lol

So Ian had to think quickly

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that Ian was stupid to think that Jane was apologising to him and that he is pathetic and takes her for granted yes. But I can't blame him for lying about why Jane was in hospital. I agree with my mum that Ian despite his anger at Steven still hass loyalty towards him and it is ubnderstandable that he doesn't want the family tragey and disgrace made public. I am most sorry for Steven and Jane yes as it affected them most. Jane should tell Tanya as she needs a friend right now and Ian should forget about imprisoning Steven in the clinic which is totally unethical anyway and spend more time with his family like Billy said.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I can understand why Ian lied. It's a disgraceful thing to tell anyone - oh my wife is in hospital because my stepson went crazy and tried to shoot himself and when we stopped him the gun went off in the struggle. I would have done the same except I'd have perhaps consulted her first maybe.

True, but Jane went into the operating theatre and Ian went home to change, and Tanya bust in lol

So Ian had to think quickly

True. Yes, he had no choice but to lie without asking her but he could have told her afterwards.

[Lennie]

I think lieing was the best thing here, esp as Steven's at a clinic not a police station

Also i dont think Ian will want anybody finding out - but i do think he should have told Jane what he has said to other ppl, rather then her finding out

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah I agree.

Rewatching You Tube - on October 2nd Pat says she rang Simon in New Zealand who said he had trouble back home and was worried about Steven and Pat was too and she said itwas strange - Steven being back and Ian not being around and that she knew Steven has secrets - makes me wonder if Pat suspected Steven was involved in Ian's diasppearance.

Steven also used a nice bit of dramatic irony on October 9th;

Steven: What is she so angry at me for? I said i was sorry
Pat: Give her a few days and she'll calm down.
Steven: And what did she think I was going to do? Kidnap them and lock them up or something?

It was quite harsh forJane to ban him from seeing his own half brother and sister though. He did wrong yes and I don't mind her shouting at him etc but she went too far when she told him not to see them. As Pat said he is their brother and however messed up he is he would never harm them. Also they are not really her children so she doesn't really have the right.

[Lennie]

I think Pat just thought he was hiding something that happen in NZ

Yeah, the irony was there - also he was saying that as we know he wouldnt do that Lucy and Peter

Also Jane snapped at Steven quiet a few times he had been staying there, and i dont think Steven understood that

I think it was wrong of her banning him from seeing them though

[Lizzie Brookes]

I know a lot of Steven's lines off by heart now. When I do housewoork sometimes I often quote "sorry, all that stuff Lucy was saying" and "Not much help though is it? Allthese old faces turning up from the past, it's bound to upset her" and all that. I hope Steven's ability to be polite to Jane when she is shouting at him won't diaappear now that he is starting to recover from whatever mental illness he had. I would hate to see him lose that espeially as I envy that quality because I don't have it myself. His charisma should stay though surely.

[Pinkbanana]

I know a lot of Steven's lines off by heart now. When I do housewoork sometimes I often quote "sorry, all that stuff Lucy was saying" and "Not much help though is it? Allthese old faces turning up from the past, it's bound to upset her" and all that. I hope Steven's aboility to be polite to Jane when she is souting at him won't diappar now that he is starting to recover from whatever mental illness he had. I would hate to see him lose that espeially as I envy that quality because I don't have it myself. His charisma should stay though surely.

I think she has had very good reason to shout at him after all he has done, and especially now that because of him she cant have a child. So instead of remainly 'polite' I hope he is actually remorseful about what he has done.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Well yes of course and I'm sure he will be remorseful but what I was saying was that that was quite unique - not answering back when being shouted at - and I hoped he wouldn't lose that quality. Of course Jane has the right to shout at him after what happened even though it was an accident.

[Lennie]

^ I agree

Lets hope he keeps his cool and takes everything Jane (and Ian) dash out on him - coz they will be doing and saying some things he will not like to hear.

Him going crazy again will definately not help in matters for Jane to ever be ok with him again

[Lizzie Brookes]

When I saw Monda's preview clip he kind of motioned downwards with his hand and though he had the mobile phone to stop her calling the police he just wanted to talk though I can't really blame Ian for being protective after what happened.He just held up a hand to stop Ian comming near him. He didn't show any kind of aggression - oh I am so jealous. I like Steven but I also envy some of his qualities.

[Lennie]

Yes, i just saw the preview as well

All he wants to do is talk and say sorry to Jane, but she is panicking and i dont cant blame her, it was good see Jane standing up for herself and Steven getting kinda frustrated coz Jane isnt letting him say what he wants to say and he did 'he would never hurt her or anyone'

I did see Steven raise his hand like trying to stop Ian and probably listen to him, Ian's being way harsh with him coz Ian's seen how Steven was before the shooting he got through to him and saw he is vurnable whilst Jane didnt see that

[Pinkbanana]

I did see Steven raise his hand like trying to stop Ian and probably listen to him, Ian's being way harsh with him coz Ian's seen how Steven was before the shooting he got through to him and saw he is vurnable whilst Jane didnt see that

Why to harsh? :eek: What do you expect him to do, invite Steven in for a cup of tea?

Ian has had time to think and take stock of all the things Steven has done, and after Jane got shot - and no longer can have a baby, I guess any sympathy he had for Steven is long gone. So why you expect him to listen to Steven weeks after he has terrorised the family, is beyond me...:confused:

If Steven was truly sorry, he would stay well away from the Ian and Jane.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes, i just saw the preview as well

All he wants to do is talk and say sorry to Jane, but she is panicking and i dont cant blame her, it was good see Jane standing up for herself and Steven getting kinda frustrated coz Jane isnt letting him say what he wants to say and he did 'he would never hurt her or anyone'

I did see Steven raise his hand like trying to stop Ian and probably listen to him, Ian's being way harsh with him coz Ian's seen how Steven was before the shooting he got through to him and saw he is vurnable whilst Jane didnt see that

I can understand why Ian is angry with him and it is true that it was too soon to go round and apologise however bad he feels. I agree Jane can't be blamed either but I know Steven wouldn't hurt anyone diliberately and in some ways Jane was kinder to him in that clip than Ian. Ian is of course being protective but i hope that Steven will eventually be a part of the family again and be forgiven. I was so sorry for him on Friday though - and i just saw the omnibus. I am also sorry for him seeing Monday's preview. I think he has to open up to a friend when he finds one and get things in perspecive. If I were Ian though - I agree with you Lennie - I would have realised that he is vurnerable and is genuinely trying to make amends. I would ask him to leave until things have calmed down but certainly not throw him around like a rag doll. Ian was a bit harsh there.

Before the shooting there was a moment when Steven was going to cry and Ian was going to hug him. If it hadn't been for the shooting I am sure Ian would at that point have forgiven Steven.

[Lennie]

I did see Steven raise his hand like trying to stop Ian and probably listen to him, Ian's being way harsh with him coz Ian's seen how Steven was before the shooting he got through to him and saw he is vurnable whilst Jane didnt see that

Why to harsh? :eek: What do you expect him to do, invite Steven in for a cup of tea?

Ian has had time to think and take stock of all the things Steven has done, and after Jane got shot - and no longer can have a baby, I guess any sympathy he had for Steven is long gone. So why you expect him to listen to Steven weeks after he has terrorised the family, is beyond me...:confused:

If Steven was truly sorry, he would stay well away from the Ian and Jane.

I meant harsh as in Ian's anger partly from Jane being angry and hostile with him, he takes it out Steven - remember at the house, Ian and Steven came to an understanding before Jane walked in, if Jane hadnt been shot or lost the ability to have kids, Ian wouldnt be kicking Steven out - he'd be trying to understand Steven a bit more.
Steven holding onto the fact that him and Ian came to that understanding and they understood each other, thats what he said at the clinic just before Ian left him there
(i probably aint making sense here lol)

[Lennie]

I can understand why Ian is angry with him and it is true that it was too soon to go round and apologise however bad he feels. I agree Jane can't be blamed either but I know Steven wouldn't hurt anyone diliberately and in some ways Jane was kinder to him in that clip than Ian. Ian is of course being protective but i hope that Steven will eventually be a part of the family again and be forgiven. I was so sorry for him on Friday though - and i just saw the omnibus. I am also sorry for him seeing Monday's preview. I think he has to open up to a friend when he finds one and get things in perspecive. If I were Ian though - I agree with you Lennie - I would have realised that he is vurnerable and is genuinely trying to make amends. I would ask him to leave until things have calmed down but certainly not throw him around like a rag doll. Ian was a bit harsh there.

Before the shooting there was a moment when Steven was going to cry and Ian was going to hug him. If it hadn't been for the shooting I am sure Ian would at that point have forgiven Steven.

Jane is talking/shouting at him (but getting her points across) whilst Ian using physical to let his emotions out.

Also Jane right now is weak and emotional.

I think Jane is going to be stuck between Ian and Steven

I can see Jane slowly trying to understand Steven and see how he is (in the future), she's not the one to be stubborn whilst Ian has a habit of never letting things go and see what's in front of his eyes.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I meant harsh as in Ian's anger partly from Jane being angry and hostile with him, he takes it out Steven - remember at the house, Ian and Steven came to an understanding before Jane walked in, if Jane hadnt been shot or lost the ability to have kids, Ian wouldnt be kicking Steven out - he'd be trying to understand Steven a bit more.
Steven holding onto the fact that him and Ian came to that understanding and they understood each other, thats what he said at the clinic just before Ian left him there
(i probably aint making sense here lol)

I agree with you Lennie. It's not fair of course that Ian takes that out on Steven but like Pat said at the clinic he is not thinking straight. I can't wait till tonight. Yes that was what I was thinking - he was on the point of forgiving Steven but then the gun went off etc and Jane's womb was removed and so on and ian got angry again. Yet that guinshot was an accident. I wonder - if it had been just the gunshot and he hadn't done any of those terrible things what would have happened - I mean what appened to Steven could happen to anyone except perhap[s hat someone who is not mentally ill, at leassdt not in the same way as Steven may hand themselves in.

He tries to do himself in. They all jump on him totop him and in the struggle the gun goes off so though he is responsible in a way, it was accidental and not really Steven's fault.

[Lennie]

Other thing we have to remember he is not dangerous, as Ian and Jane think so coz he had an gun, but he never had a gun until 48 hours ago when Lucy gave it him, there was no intention of him ever having a gun when all this stalking and kidnapping of Ian started

[Lizzie Brookes]

Other thing we have to remember he is not dangerous, as Ian and Jane think so coz he had an gun, but he never had a gun until 48 hours ago when Lucy gave it him, there was no intention of him ever having a gun when all this stalking and kidnapping of Ian started

Exactly. If Lucy had never given him the gun (though obviously we can't blame her as she naturally trusted her older brother - who wouldn't? - and had no idea he was unhinged) - then what would hasve happened? Ianwould have called the police and Steven wouldn't exactly have stopped him, not by any violent means - I don't think he'd do a runner, he isn't a coward. Steven would have admitted to being unwell and the fact that he had come to let Ian out would have helped and maybe, justmaybe Lucy and Jane would have persuaded Ian to drrop charges and Steven would hasve gone to the clinic anyway - with one difference, he would have been forgiven and not become an outcast. I hope Lucy confesses. It isn't fair otherwise. steven won't say anything because he wants to protect Lucy.

By the way Lennie could you read my fantasy script on Steven redeeming himself and see what you think of it? Thanks.

[Lennie]

^ cool and i will do :)

I doubt Lucy will confess unless she really needs to - i think Lucy and Steven will have a chat about it


Just saw the week 50 spoilers -

Monday
Meanwhile, Steven takes Bradley and Stacey on a night out to celebrate his birthday.

Its good he is getting to know Bradders and Stace more, but isnt his birthday boxing day
Or he lies to them, or he can somehow be friends and fit in with them.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes I thought Steven's birthday was Boxing Day but I doubt he'd lie to them. Why should he? I thought it was Bradley's birthday and Steven takes Bradley and Stacey out as a treat to celebrate Bradley's birthday. It can be read either way.

[Joanne]

Bradley's birthday is in August.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Oh. Then it must be Steven's birthday after all.

[Lennie]

Maybe Steven wants to celebrate his birthday few weeks early as it does land on boxing day

Todays episode

Poor Steven, he's frustated - with himself and Ian and also Pat.
It took guts going to the police station but couldnt quite go in
I really dont think Pat knows about his life in NZ with Simon, she just thinks everything is ok, judging by how she was today and what she said

And that note he left :(

Poor Jane as well, Ian just cant get anything right lol - all she wanted was him to be there

I quite surprised that when Steven burst in, Jane didnt scream or anything - she just looked at him probably shocked

[Lizzie Brookes]

I was so sorry for Steven tonight though I fully understand why Ian and Jane reacted as they did. Going to the police station took a lot of guts and shows his repentance is genuine but if he had handed himself in Lucy would have got into trouble for lying. Ian should be spending more time looking after and supporting Jane rather than being so obsessed with Steven and keeping him locked up in the clinic and all the rest of it. I can't blame Jne for being scared. Ian was quite rough and harshh but obviously from his viewpoint Steven was there, Jane was getting distressed and he was protecting her. Desperate as Steven is to make amends he should perhaps have given them a little more space. Clearly he has to earn their trust seeing that he hid his psychosis nd put on an act before but mesed up or not I cannot and will not believe he would intentionally hurt anyone. I saw no signs of aggression today. I wanted to give him a hug when he stood outside the door and said Ian couldn't turn his back on him.

[Lennie]

I do think Steven needs to give them space but Steven in such a hurry to talk about what happened and say sorry

Today i didnt see no agression whilst with Jane, though he was getting frustrated as Jane wasnt allowing him to say what he wanted to say and then Ian bursts in

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes, I agree he should have taken things slowly. Judging from the spoilers there is going to be no Steven tomorrow but never mind. I can't believe he sleeps on Arthur;'s bench this Thursday - in the cold.

[Lennie]

Yep, the raid is tomorrow so the episode is the focus of that

He wants a bed whilst Pat thinks he going back to NZ

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wonder why Pat was so shocked that Steven went to the police station.

[Lennie]

Obviously she doesnt want Steven there, and also Steven would got to that lengths for Ian to respect him again

[Lizzie Brookes]

Mmm I suppose. I onder if Ian sees that CCTV tape showing that Steven trashed up his own stall but it is a bit stupid that Ian won't let Steven get on with his life. I mean I understand that he hates him but then why can't he just ignore him? hy get him fired ftom the pub? I also saw a photo when Steven lies to Pat about the stall and Ian is standing there with a smug grin on his face so clearly he doesn't know at this point - but why? He himself grandly talked of moving on. Why doesn't he do it? His job's to look after Jane, Peter, Lucy and Bobby so instead of sniping at Steven he should just ignore him and get on with his own life and it wasn't very nice to grin at that point. We know Steven did it himself but nobody else oes and as Charlie said "People pay for what they do but that doesn't mean you need to enjoy watching them suffer or celebrate it".

[Lennie]

Ian's always been like that - he loves being smug esp when he's got one over on someone

Ian's responsibilty is Jane mostly - but he's keeping his distance from her :rolleyes:

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree Lennie.

Actully on the Steven Spoiler I posted somseone pointed out everything Steven put Ian through. I understand that and am certainly not condoning Steven's behaviour though I do have sympathy for him. Of course Ian hates him so the best thing to do is not talk to him - but I have to admit that Ian being an adult and a father should not act childishly by continuing to snipe at Steven. It's really silly. I agree with Kevin that even if there are people inlife that you hate and as in Ian's case rightfully so, you have to rise above it or else ignore it. What Ian should be thinking is - ok Steven's already wrecked my life and the lives of my family. There is nothing I can do about him being in the square so I'm not going to let him destroy any more of my life or Jane's or my children's. I'm going to concentrate on looking after Jane rather than childishly having a go at Steven all the time. I'm just going to ignore him and move on.

[Siobhan]

Ian's responsibilty is Jane mostly - but he's keeping his distance from her :rolleyes:

I think he is afraid... after all it was his family that caused Jane not to have a family of her own. He doesn't know what to say to her, again he has 3 kids!!! What do you say to a woman you love who can't have any children with you cause your child cause the damage???? What!!

[Lizzie Brookes]

I know Ian's feeling bad because he has children and now Jane can't and becauise of his stepson though it was accidental but there are things Ian could do for Jane. Jae asked him to say sorry and he thought she was saying it to him :rolleyes:, then she wanted him to sit with her even if in silence but no he's too busy trying to earn enough money to keep Steven locked up:rolleyes: What's the point? Even the doctor said that was unethical. Jane had a point when she said something about it being deeper. I know he hugged her after throwing Steven out but he should now start to take a day or so off from the cafe - maybe leave Pat or someone to look after it and spend time sitting with Jane, talking to her etc instead of striding about wasting time rubbing Steven's nose in it over and over - that's just pointless.

[Lennie]

Ian's responsibilty is Jane mostly - but he's keeping his distance from her :rolleyes:

I think he is afraid... after all it was his family that caused Jane not to have a family of her own. He doesn't know what to say to her, again he has 3 kids!!! What do you say to a woman you love who can't have any children with you cause your child cause the damage???? What!!

True but Jane did make an effort yesterday about the nurse coming but again Ian couldnt wait to get away even if it was to know why Steven left the clinic

[Lennie]

I know Ian's feeling bad because he has children and now Jane can't and becauise of his stepson though it was accidental but there are things Ian could do for Jane. Jae asked him to say sorry and he thought she was saying it to him :rolleyes:, then she wanted him to sit with her even if in silence but no he's too busy trying to earn enough money to keep Steven locked up:rolleyes: What's the point? Even the doctor said that was unethical. Jane had a point when she said something about it being deeper. I know he hugged her after throwing Steven out but he should now start to take a day or so off from the cafe - maybe leave Pat or someone to look after it and spend time sitting with Jane, talking to her etc instead of striding about wasting time rubbing Steven's nose in it over and over - that's just pointless.

Talking about it will do them so much good, even Jane wants to talk about it whilst Ian somehow doesnt want to

Even Steven wants to talk to them but Ian's stubborn

[Lizzie Brookes]

I know Lennie. Hopefully if Ian finds out the truth about the stall - well I don't know, maybe he'll stop sniping at him so much. I heard Bradley becomes the new market inspector so maybe Bradley will fix the stall though it was completely wrong and sick for Steven to trash it like that. I'm glad he finds firm friends in Stacey and Bradley though - he needs that. I doubt he'll go back to the clinic though - I don't think Ian would be prepared to paty for it again. He did it last time because it was an emergency.

[Lennie]

Wonder if Bradley will report Steven if he finds the truth out, that Steven did it himself

I am sure the clinic would be making regular check-ups on Steven to see whether he's ok or not :confused:


Todays episode
I am mad at Ian, cant believe he had the nerve to say 'dont make a mess, i just cleaned it' to Jase whilst he was taking Honey to the car - thats the least of his problem :rolleyes:

Nice scene of the Beales watching a movie

But i have to mention Jane seemed kinda worried when she said 'Its not Steven is it' when Ian mentioned the police and stuff

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah she did. I suppose she was still concerned about him and like Pat afraid he mighthave handed himself in or else done something elsewrong in his still confused state and got rrested for it.

Maybe. But I suppose Stacey may pity him and convince Bradley he was not in the right frame of mind when he did that - who knows.

[Lennie]

I do think Stacey will play a big part in that

She's seen mental health as her mum's got it and she will see that Steven is having problems

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah. Can't wait. I persuaded mum to let us go of for our weekend at gran's house next Friday morning because I didn't want to miss thursday's episode of EastEnders lol. I posted up the Steven spoilers - the ones on digital spy, here and just because I said ian was childish to keep sniping at Steven instead of ignoring him people keep saying I "adore" Steven which isn't true at all - I'm just sorry for him but I certainly can't condone what he did and I don't expect him to be welcomed back into the family with open arms straight away. As Pat said it'll take time. It's best that he lives at Pat's for a while - at least until Jane is better. Ian should have sort of accepted his apology but told him to stay away for a while until at least Jane is better and they are ready to taslk things though. Remember Denise and Kevin - she said he was sleeping on the sofa that night and the next day they could talk things through though of course Kevin didn't do any of the terrible things Steven did. I agree with Kevin though that sometimes you have to rise above things - either be civil or just ignore the person if you are angry with them or hate them or whatever.

[Lennie]

Lol at you telling your mum :cool:

Ian just needs to concertrate on Jane for now, and be with her - cant believe it took Jane to get in that state on monday for Ian to actually be there for her

Deep down Ian knows Steven is not going to harm Jane or him and the kids, he wasnt wel before - he had an breakdown

[Lizzie Brookes]

If Ian knows deep down Stevenwouldn't hurt any of them then he shouldn't be so harsh to him. I can understand his anger but he's carrying it too far and if he knows Steven won't hurt anyone then he should have listened to what Steven wanted o say at least though I understand him wanting Steven to leave if Jane was etting too distressed. Actually - remembering Monday's clip when Steven had that mental breakdown in the car and Ian took him to hospital - well watching the breakdown in the car I also got a real sense of how much time has gone by - that it has really been 5 whole years since Steven left Walford and then returned and just how much has happened in that time. It's really strange. In real life when I watch films or listen to music it sirs old memories and i become aware of just how much time has gone by and I also saw how much time has gone by in Stevn's life in that clip when it was on You Tube - they've removed all the episode clips from the 2nd to the 12th now.

[Lennie]

^thats a shame, i liked watching those episode on youtube again and again lol

The main thing Steven has is, that he gets frustrated with himself mostly (when he cant do anything or say what he wants to say) and when he gets frustrated he becomes moody and angry and has the menacing look on him.


But with Jane he is kinda calm, i havent seen him lose his anger with her, just Ian - he gets frustrated at

[Lizzie Brookes]

I liked tonight's episode. I can't believe Steven lsept on the bench in this cold weather. Good thing Terrence found him. I'm glad Pat's given him a home and certainly Lucy will be there for him and hopefully Peter too. He is still their grandon and half brother whatever he has done. I can understand though why Ian and Jane are still angry at him and don't want him around. I'm glad Peter knows the truth now - he has a right to know. I always thought so. I only hope he doesn't think the firing of the gun was intentional - the way Jane said it she made it sound as though Steven did it diliberately which isn't fair because it was accidental. Even in his messed up state he would never ever hurt anyone intentionally.

[Lennie]

Poor Steven :(

So good to see a Lucy and Steven scene, i knew Lucy would be there for him - i loved it when she said 'i'm not letting you sleep rough' :cool:

And then him on the bench - atleast Terrence recognised him (good dog :p ), and then Pat took him home, and Steven telling Pat about his dad and Miriam, i cant believe Simon gave him money and said 'go and spent some time with your "real: family' - how awful is that, that bloody tells you, that your not wanted :mad:

And then changing his number - stupid man :mad:

Steven doesnt know where he belongs :(

Loved Pat going over to Ian's and telling everybody that Steven's staying with her, she's got guts :cool:

Loved seeing Jane all fiery lol - and Lucy butting in and Jane answering back, and at last Peter found out - i think Peter's clever enough to know that the gunshot was a accident - Lucy will explain it to him

Jane needs to remember that the shooting was a accident

[Lizzie Brookes]

Totally agree Lennie.

Understandable as Ian and Jane's anger is, they must remember the shooting was accidental. Simon deserves a nice slap in the face. Pat has every right to have a go at him because he is her son. I'm glad she gave Steven a home but it was considerate of Steven to say she has done more than enough for him - he knows she'll be rejected by Ian and family for taking his side. The minute Lucy got that phone call I thought "bet it's Steven" and I was right. I notice that Steven now refers to Ian as "dad" - in factever since that clinic scene.

"I went to apologise to Jane anddad threw me out" - good for him - it makes no difference whether someone is blood related to you or not - look at Kevin and Deano.

[Lennie]

I think with Lucy he uses dad to refer to Ian whilst with Pat he uses Ian

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes that's true but he did call Ian "dad" at the clinic. He is still Ian's son blooded related or not so I'll be glad if he calls Ian "dad".

[Lennie]

I dont know - in way i would like to see him call him dad or just Ian

[Lizzie Brookes]

Whhat's happened to the Digital Spy Website? It keeps saying Page Cannot be Displayed.

[Lennie]

^ its uploading for me :)

Spoilers - Week 51

Monday
Steven, meanwhile, is trying to make it up to Ian and Jane.

Tuesday

Thursday
Jane is furious when she realises that Ian has told Steven what she has been through, in tonight's visit to Walford.
(i am guessing its that she cant have a baby, i wonder why she doesnt want Steven to know, i thought she would so he can see the pain she's going through and what he's done, exactly see the damge he has done)


Friday
Ian finally catches up with Steven and tells him some home truths


I also thought Jane would be direct in her anger to him, shout at him whenever she sees him (but she doesnt want to see him or talk to him) - but seems to me Ian is doing all that

[Lizzie Brookes]

Its worked now - oh no, time for lunch - after lunch I'm reading more of the appreciation thread - don't need to say which charecter- its obvious. Yes, I agree but Jane is doing the right thing and ignoring him, whereas Ian is wasting time having a go at him every 5 minutes. I don't think Steven's gone neasr him since his failed attempt to apolgise so Ianought really to follow his lead in keeping away. Lucy actually has more trust in him though she did not really trust that he wouldn't use that gun which is why she fetched Jane. She still trusted he wouldn't hurt her when she met him in the cafe and he wouldn't. He loves his half sister.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I was thinking. I know Ian looks at the CCTV tape, finds out Steven trashed his own stall and tells the entire square not realising whatit leads Steven to dobut does Steven know about the CCTV? I only ask because I remember that when he was being stalked, Ian set up the CCTV camera to find out who was spying on him and Steven did not show up on it. Well if Steven knows Ian has a CCTV camera surely he would suspect it recorded him trashing his own stall?

[Lennie]

I still cant believe Ian had that CCTV thing still running lol


Todays episode

Aww loved that little scene with Bobby waving at Steven and Steven waving back

Steven really snaps at ppl who are just talking away at him, and he doesnt like that

Ian came in the vic to rub Steven the wrong way :rolleyes:

I loved the bit where he said 'junk, how can you sell junk' and then looked happy as to where the position of the stall was :)
And he's got a new supplier (Walford's gonna get introduced to Emo clothes and accessories :D )

I also liked the bit where he said 'they are my family too' :cool:

Looks like Monique arrives tomorrow - Peter forgot to tell his dad lol, bless Peter his face when he heard the answering machine :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

wish Steven hadn't lied to Peggy about his age but I hate Ian's smug smirk - he really has to act like a pathetic little weasel all over again. He must have really enjoyed sticking the knife in. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ian should just have ignored him. It isn't fair to tell Steven that he would tell tles on him to every single employer so that he won't get a job. I know Steven shouldn't have done all that to Ian and can't condone his behaviour and i understand he was sick at the time but that doesn't mean Ian needs to make life difficult for Steven just because Steven did it to him.

What's the point? I know Steven waved to Peter but he doesn't know Peter knows about the shooting and he couldn't just ignore his half brother. I'm glad Pat got him the marlket stall job. He's still not fully well but I don't believe he would ever harm anyone intentionally.Can't wait for tomorrow. By the way what did Steven say to Pat about the internet? I didn't understand it.

[Lennie]

Steven said he tracked down his new supplier on the internet (Steven will selling his own things not junk lol like emo/goth clothes and accessories)


Steven waved at little Bobby

I hated Ian's smug smirk - i cant believe he just came in to stick the knife in

Ian's gonna make Steven's life hell and Steven needs to get better soon

I dont think Steven wouldnt hurt anybody intentionally except have the odd snap at ppl like he did today

[Wizardardo]

I think Steven needs to leave Ian and Jane alone

Yes he's lonely i understand that but he's only making things worse and if he really wants to have anything to do with them he's going to have to do more than say sorry

I still don't think he's mentally stable enough to be allowed out unsupervised as proved when he stormed the house on Jane. The look in his eyes then wasn't the sight of a fixed and well boy. He needs to take stock of his troubles and his life and fix it

He's only came back to Ian because his real Dad has left him. If he called him and said come back to New Zealand he would be on the first flight and wouldn't even look back once to say goodbye

It's a cry for help and at the moment Pat is the only person keeping him from going off the rails permanently. I think it's only a matter of time before we see more of the Steven we saw at the shooting

[Lizzie Brookes]

I think Steven needs to leave Ian and Jane alone

Yes he's lonely i understand that but he's only making things worse and if he really wants to have anything to do with them he's going to have to do more than say sorry

I still don't think he's mentally stable enough to be allowed out unsupervised as proved when he stormed the house on Jane. The look in his eyes then wasn't the sight of a fixed and well boy. He needs to take stock of his troubles and his life and fix it

He's only came back to Ian because his real Dad has left him. If he called him and said come back to New Zealand he would be on the first flight and wouldn't even look back once to say goodbye

It's a cry for help and at the moment Pat is the only person keeping him from going off the rails permanently. I think it's only a matter of time before we see more of the Steven we saw at the shooting

Since Ian threw him out he did not go near the Beales. Since then its been Ian winding him up. I agree that it was too soon to go and apologise but since he became a buit better I suppose he was desperate to say sorry and didn't think though these things take time.

What he needs to do now is to concentrate on his job and not let Ian get to him. Ian is diliberately trying to provoke him. It won't be easy but if he keeps his eyes lowered, speaks politely and treats him as just nother person on the square he might be in with a good chance. I disagree that he only came back to Ian because Simon didn't want him. He was definitely unwell and even Ian knew it. Like he said he went over everything and it got distorted. He was not aggressive towards Jane - only fustrated that she wouldn't let him apologise and he made those calming gestures and assured her he would not hurt her and I don't believe he would have.

[Wizardardo]

I think Steven needs to leave Ian and Jane alone

Yes he's lonely i understand that but he's only making things worse and if he really wants to have anything to do with them he's going to have to do more than say sorry

I still don't think he's mentally stable enough to be allowed out unsupervised as proved when he stormed the house on Jane. The look in his eyes then wasn't the sight of a fixed and well boy. He needs to take stock of his troubles and his life and fix it

He's only came back to Ian because his real Dad has left him. If he called him and said come back to New Zealand he would be on the first flight and wouldn't even look back once to say goodbye

It's a cry for help and at the moment Pat is the only person keeping him from going off the rails permanently. I think it's only a matter of time before we see more of the Steven we saw at the shooting

Since Ian threw him out he did not go near the Beales. Since then its been Ian winding him up. I agree that it was too soon to go and apologise but since he became a buit better I suppose he was desperate to say sorry and didn't think though these things take time.

What he needs to do now is to concentrate on his job and not let Ian get to him. Ian is diliberately trying to provoke him. It won't be easy but if he keeps his eyes lowered, speaks politely and treats him as just nother person on the square he might be in with a good chance. I disagree that he only came back to Ian because Simon didn't want him. He was definitely unwell and even Ian knew it. Like he said he went over everything and it got distorted. He was not aggressive towards Jane - only fustrated that she wouldn't let him apologise and he made those calming gestures and assured her he would not hurt her and I don't believe he would have.

Very fair points there

I just think that if somebody is capable of holding people at gun point then there capable of anything and i just fell that anytime soon he could snap again like he did before

Hopefully he does settle down because i do believe that there is some good in him as he's proved a few times but he needs to get the demons out of his head and like you said hopefully this job will help him do that

To be fair to Ian you can't hold it against him. He wants revenge for what Steven has put his family through. Anybody would do the same IMO

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that there is some good in Steven and yes I understand that Ian naturally wants revenge for what happened. Though Steven held Ian and Lucy at gunpoint, I don't think he would have used the gun. I suppose he may have been capable of it but just because someone is capable of something it doesn't mean that they would do it or even be tempted to do it. He only took the gun out to stop Ian calling the police and if Lucy had never given him that gun he would never have had one. He never even planned on having one until Lucy gave it him and doing absolutely anything to stop someone calling the police - that is actually a natural reaction for a person whether sane or unhinged. I agree he could snap again but I think he's more likely to harm himself than other people especially as he tried to do himself in before and yes though the clinic seems to have helped a little it is not enough and he has to try and sort himself out a bit more.

[Lennie]

The main point we have to remember is Steven never planned to use that gun in the first place, he told Ian to leave as he brought Lucy along but Ian decided to call the police - thats when the gun came out to sort of stop Ian and he was going to shoot himself not them

Also another spoiler released yesterday (on GMTV)

That Steven in a few weeks time, wants to set himself alight - puts petrol on him and holds the matches until Stacey comes and stops him
Also its the twins birthday that day - i wonder what happens there, to get Steven to that point, i bet Ian says and does something :(

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes I read about him trying tto set himself alight on Digital Spy - that's terrible. It shows how desperate he is. I hope that if Ian and Jane hear of that it will pull at least Ian's heartstrings a little. Oh I hope Stacey realises the state he is in and helps him and I agree with what you said about the gun Lennie.

[Siobhan]

[quote=Lizzie Brookes;542333 - that's terrible. It shows how desperate he is. [/quote]

That is not desperate, that is just crazy.. Why is he doing this to Ian? Ian took him in when he knew it was not his boy and did what he could for Steven but Steven just keeps blaming Ian for his problems.. It is his real dad Simon Steven is angry at, go to N. Zealand and set himself alight by all means but don't keep doing this to Ian

[Lizzie Brookes]

How is Steven hurting Ian by pouring petrol on himself? I thought that was a suicide attempt - attempting to set yourself alight and suicidal people are desperate.

[Perdita]

He was obviously discharged from the clinic far too early, looks like he can't cope at all.

[Lizzie Brookes]

[quote=Lizzie Brookes;542333 - that's terrible. It shows how desperate he is.

That is not desperate, that is just crazy.. Why is he doing this to Ian? Ian took him in when he knew it was not his boy and did what he could for Steven but Steven just keeps blaming Ian for his problems.. It is his real dad Simon Steven is angry at, go to N. Zealand and set himself alight by all means but don't keep doing this to Ian[/QUOTE]

He's not blaming Ian for his problems any more. He said he was no longer deluded after he got back from the clinic and I ddon't think he believes any more that Ian is responsible for his mum's death in prison. He told Jane he mulled everything over till it got distorted and did not go near Ian and Jane after Ian chucked him out. Yesterday he waved at Bobby but did not speak to Ian. It was Ian who went and wound him up. Steven didn't go near him yesterday.

[Siobhan]

How is Steven hurting Ian by pouring petrol on himself? I thought that was a suicide attempt - attempting to set yourself alight and suicidal people are desperate.

Why is he doing it??? to get Ian attention, to get Ian to forgive him.. it is his cry for help to Ian.. that his is only reason that Steven is sticking around.. I don't think Granny pat has anything to do with it.. Call me a cynic and maybe I don't trust people but I still reckon there is something more going on with Steven.. I think he is a big faker and all this is to get attention and to make Ian more miserable... (also think Granny Pat is getting suckered in)

[Lizzie Brookes]

He was obviously discharged from the clinic far too early, looks like he can't cope at all.

Yes he was discharged from the clinic a bit early but it has helped a bit. At least he is not shaking any more and looks a bit more relaxed now rather than tensed and agitated.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Why is he doing it??? to get Ian attention, to get Ian to forgive him.. it is his cry for help to Ian.. that his is only reason that Steven is sticking around.. I don't think Granny pat has anything to do with it.. Call me a cynic and maybe I don't trust people but I still reckon there is something more going on with Steven.. I think he is a big faker and all this is to get attention and to make Ian more miserable... (also think Granny Pat is getting suckered in)

I am a bit more of a trusting person and can give people second chances. I know he is still not fully well but why would he risk his life puurely to get Ian's attention? If he was faking he would hardly risk his own life to get Ian's attention. Besides I don't think someone could fake all the time - you can lie once or maybe twice but you can't lie all the time - you'deither slip up somewhere or else you'd feel so eaten up by the lies that you would confess to at least someone. Remember the first time round, if he had not taken Lucy when he went to release Ian to show her what he did nobody would have found out but he wanted to confess and end that situation since it was eating him up knowing what he did to Ian while seeing the familygo through worry and his talk with Pat showed him how wrong he was in his judgement of Ian as a father figure. Nobody, not even Jane suspected he was Ian's stalker and kidnapper and only found out when he confessed but he chose to confess. So why should he do some more faking? It ate him up the first time round? No. I respect your view but I think the petrol buisiness is genuine. He tried to do himself in with a gun before and in his mind he is in the same situation now as he was then - his mum is dead and his two dads hate him so wha's the point?

[Siobhan]

It says Stacey stops him.. where was he when he did this? if you really wanted to kill yourself, you would do it where you will not be found.. you don't just pour petrol on yourself if you didn't want the attention.. and there you go.. there is the slip up.. He says he is fine, doesn't need his tablets.. the kid is a nut job and should have stayed in the clinic longer..... he is not well!!

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that he could do with some more help though he is slightly better than he was and that it was stupid to throw away the medication. No I don't know where he is when Stacey finds him though we may find out in next week's soap issue but I do have sympathy for him since he is unwell despite not being able to condone his actions.

[Siobhan]

I agree that he could do with some more help though he is slightly better than he was and that it was stupid to throw away the medication. No I don't know where he is when Stacey finds him though we may find out in next week's soap issue but I do have sympathy for him since he is unwell despite not being able to condone his actions.

did you have sympathy for May or Stella?? both unwell and both really horrible why is Steven so different

[Lennie]

Yes I read about him trying tto set himself alight on Digital Spy - that's terrible. It shows how desperate he is. I hope that if Ian and Jane hear of that it will pull at least Ian's heartstrings a little. Oh I hope Stacey realises the state he is in and helps him and I agree with what you said about the gun Lennie.

I hope they hear about it, but i doubt Stacey will as Steven talks to her about his problems and his dads, i think he might tell Jane (but who knows)





He was obviously discharged from the clinic far too early, looks like he can't cope at all.

Yes he was discharged from the clinic a bit early but it has helped a bit. At least he is not shaking any more and looks a bit more relaxed now rather than tensed and agitated.

Thats true, he is not shaking and nervous or tensed anymore

In the clinic he was doing well (he fully co-operated, as his first step was admitting he was unwell), and he is on the mend along as he takes his medication (lets hope Pat got him some new ones as the other ones he flinged them down the sink)


As for the suicide attempt/setting himself atlight - i think Stacey follows him

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Nobody, not even Jane suspected he was Ian's stalker and kidnapper and only found out when he confessed but he chose to confess.

But why did no one know about it? because it is a soap and the writters made it that way - people in real life might be a bit less trustworthy of a boy they had never met

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree that he could do with some more help though he is slightly better than he was and that it was stupid to throw away the medication. No I don't know where he is when Stacey finds him though we may find out in next week's soap issue but I do have sympathy for him since he is unwell despite not being able to condone his actions.

did you have sympathy for May or Stella?? both unwell and both really horrible why is Steven so different

None whatsoever for Stella as she was abusing a child - she deserved to rot in jail but she fell off the roof instead.

May - yes I had some sympathy but she did try to steal the baby so in a way it is good that she was arrested. Though Stevenkidnapped Ian and locked him up just as May did with Dawn he didn't steal any baby or hancuff anyone to a bed or anything like that.

Steven is a messed up kid and only 17 and in his case we can see glimmers of genuineness about him with pat, Lucy etc which we did not get with the grown women.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes I read about him trying tto set himself alight on Digital Spy - that's terrible. It shows how desperate he is. I hope that if Ian and Jane hear of that it will pull at least Ian's heartstrings a little. Oh I hope Stacey realises the state he is in and helps him and I agree with what you said about the gun Lennie.

I hope they hear about it, but i doubt Stacey will as Steven talks to her about his problems and his dads, i think he might tell Jane (but who knows)





He was obviously discharged from the clinic far too early, looks like he can't cope at all.

Yes he was discharged from the clinic a bit early but it has helped a bit. At least he is not shaking any more and looks a bit more relaxed now rather than tensed and agitated.

Thats true, he is not shaking and nervous or tensed anymore

In the clinic he was doing well (he fully co-operated, as his first step was admitting he was unwell), and he is on the mend along as he takes his medication (lets hope Pat got him some new ones as the other ones he flinged them down the sink)

As for the suicide attempt/setting himself alight - i think Stacey follows him

Totally agree with Lennie and I can't wait till tonight.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Nobody, not even Jane suspected he was Ian's stalker and kidnapper and only found out when he confessed but he chose to confess.

But why did no one know about it? because it is a soap and the writters made it that way - people in real life might be a bit less trustworthy of a boy they had never met

Jane didn't fully trust him as he was a complete stranger to her but Ian has brought him up and certainly Pat and the twins know him and sometimes well you can use your judgement and instinct based on a person's past actions and by observing the way they are around people etc.

[Lennie]

Jane did say to Pat, he seems odd esp as he made that remark to her in the cafe about her being young enough and also will find another man

[Lizzie Brookes]

But there was nothing odd about that remark. He had a crush on her and its common for young teenagers to have crushes on older adults. He did apologise as well and spoke without thinking really though Jane may not have realised he liked her and so interpreted it differently.

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

Nobody, not even Jane suspected he was Ian's stalker and kidnapper and only found out when he confessed but he chose to confess.

But why did no one know about it? because it is a soap and the writters made it that way - people in real life might be a bit less trustworthy of a boy they had never met

Jane didn't fully trust him as he was a complete stranger to her but Ian has brought him up and certainly Pat and the twins know him and sometimes well you can use your judgement and instinct based on a person's past actions and by observing the way they are around people etc.

The twins knew him when he was 12 they hadn't seen him for 5 years just because someone was once a sweet innocent child who's games would only strech as far as a poison pen letter doesn't mean he is still that person and besides how old were the twins then? 8/9 people i thought were good people when i was 8/9 turned out not to be

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wasn't referring so much to the twins as I was to Ian and Pat. Pat knows him best as she's visited him in New Zealand a few times and heis close to her while Ian hasn't seen him since he was 12 but has brought him up. Yet despite the number of years apart Lucy is close to him and seems to trust him where Ian and Jane don't despite being only 13/14.

[Lennie]

But there was nothing odd about that remark. He had a crush on her and its common for young teenagers to have crushes on older adults. He did apologise as well and spoke without thinking really though Jane may not have realised he liked her and so interpreted it differently.

I think Jane just got upset thathe would say something like that to her, as Ian's missing as well - its understandable how she reacted


I do think his crush was genuine, he was clumsy and nervous around her, eager to help out in the cafe and the kiss

I think Steven never met a woman like Jane before, someone who is strong, independent, feisty and has guts

[Siobhan]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

I wasn't referring so much to the twins as I was to Ian and Pat. Pat knows him best as she's visited him in New Zealand a few times and heis close to her while Ian hasn't seen him since he was 12 but has brought him up. Yet despite the number of years apart Lucy is close to him and seems to trust him where Ian and Jane don't despite being only 13/14.

That's it though why would Jane trust a boy she has never met based on the fact Ian brought him up and he knows Pat and the twins - normal people wouldn't but it's a soap thats why Jane trusted him because it was on the paper for Laurie to follow

[Siobhan]

I wasn't referring so much to the twins as I was to Ian and Pat. Pat knows him best as she's visited him in New Zealand a few times and heis close to her while Ian hasn't seen him since he was 12 but has brought him up. Yet despite the number of years apart Lucy is close to him and seems to trust him where Ian and Jane don't despite being only 13/14.

I don't think Pat even knows him now.. she would never ever have suspect Steven to do all the things he did to Ian. Even she seems a little wary of him now

[Lennie]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

Didnt Ian do that himself, while he was with Laura - he went to prositute Janine for sex, and i am so sure Steven once caught him

[Lizzie Brookes]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

No - I didn't mean it like that. I was thinking more about the gunshott being an accident nd him telling Ian to leave 3/4 of the time and feeling guilty about what he'd done etc - things like that show he is messed up and deserving of a second chance depite having done wrong rather than an evil person who should go to jail.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

Didnt Ian do that himself, while he was with Laura - he went to prositute Janine for sex, and i am so sure Steven once caught him

Yes he did and told Laura but Ian told him to lie so he did but Janine had already told Laura so that didn't work.

[Siobhan]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

Didnt Ian do that himself, while he was with Laura - he went to prositute Janine for sex, and i am so sure Steven once caught him

Yes that is true but leaving Ian like that was a bit nasty considering everything Ian had done for steven in the past..

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wasn't referring so much to the twins as I was to Ian and Pat. Pat knows him best as she's visited him in New Zealand a few times and heis close to her while Ian hasn't seen him since he was 12 but has brought him up. Yet despite the number of years apart Lucy is close to him and seems to trust him where Ian and Jane don't despite being only 13/14.

I don't think Pat even knows him now.. she would never ever have suspect Steven to do all the things he did to Ian. Even she seems a little wary of him now

Yes a bit wary but she stillloves himunconditionally as he is her grandson and will do right by him and no she never suspected but she understands he wasn't well.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

Didnt Ian do that himself, while he was with Laura - he went to prositute Janine for sex, and i am so sure Steven once caught him

Yes that is true but leaving Ian like that was a bit nasty considering everything Ian had done for steven in the past..

Yes it was bad to leave Ian but if I remember right he said he just wanted to know and he had that right.

[Siobhan]

Oh I agree she would never stop loving him but I don't think for one minute she would have thought Steven would do anything like that to Ian. Steven only start feeling guilty when Pat told him that Ian always asked about him and when steven saw the photos of him in the house. Steven believed Ian hated him but I still think Steven is not all he is....

[Lennie]

Steven's past action were not great.. ruining Ian's marriage to Laura and then leaving him to be with his "real dad"...

Didnt Ian do that himself, while he was with Laura - he went to prositute Janine for sex, and i am so sure Steven once caught him

Yes that is true but leaving Ian like that was a bit nasty considering everything Ian had done for steven in the past..

In a way true - when did Steven actually find out he's not Ian's son?

Also once Ian called Steven 'Cindy's brat' and Steven heard him

[Siobhan]

I don't know exactly when but Steven knew it for a while. He knew that Ian rescued both himself and Cindy from that bedsit after Simon left them. I am sure he knew before Cindy died that he was not Ian's child.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Oh I agree she would never stop loving him but I don't think for one minute she would have thought Steven would do anything like that to Ian. Steven only start feeling guilty when Pat told him that Ian always asked about him and when steven saw the photos of him in the house. Steven believed Ian hated him but I still think Steven is not all he is....

I agree with you that she never dreamed Steven did that to Ian and it must have been a great shock to her and yes we are in agreement that she will always love him. Yes he felt guilty after the conversation with Pat which showed that he is capable of redemption and not evil but messed up. If oly he'd gone straight to Pat and cofessed the truth then but that would have cut a good storyline short. In real life though I doubt he'd wait three weeks and then take Lucy there. I think he wouldhave confessed all to Pat ad habnded himself in and then maybe Lucy would have persuaded Ian to drop charges and certainly Jane wouldn't have been shot or become infertile.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't know exactly when but Steven knew it for a while. He knew that Ian rescued both himself and Cindy from that bedsit after Simon left them. I am sure he knew before Cindy died that he was not Ian's child.
I don't think he knew or it wouldn't have been so big a shock but it must ave been hurtful to hear himself called "Cindy's little brat".

[Xx-Vicky-xX]

I don't know exactly when but Steven knew it for a while. He knew that Ian rescued both himself and Cindy from that bedsit after Simon left them. I am sure he knew before Cindy died that he was not Ian's child.

I don't think it was that early i thought he found out just before he left

Edit: I am right just found this


Ian and Laura later got back together but their marriage became very troubled, which had a very negative effect on Steven, who became angry with the world. He started writing poison pen letters to people. The identity of who was writing these letters remained a mystery for some time before Steven was found out and many people suspected Laura, as a lot of the letters were aimed at Janine. Laura suspected Janine herself was doing it to frame her and gain sympathy, however, even Ian admitted that he suspected Laura. In a rage, Laura picked up Steven's school bag and threw it across the room at Ian and bits of poison pen letters spilled out onto the floor. Ian confronted Steven and, when Steven had gone to his room, Ian shouted to himself that Steven was 'Cindy's little brat!' Steven overheard and Ian told him he was not his natural father. Steven went to stay with his paternal grandmother Pat Evans for a while before deciding to live with Simon, who now lived in New Zealand.

[Siobhan]

Ok.. I stand corrected... sorry

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Steven pumped up for his first day :cool: and that sign he made :cool:

Monique is well impressed with Steven lol

Finally we know Steven is not confused on his sexuality - he's NOT gay :D

I think Steven handled himself pretty well with Monique and also Stacey ;) lol

I can see why he smashed up his stall, he made an effort to get Ian to notice his hardwork and Ian didnt care - he got frustrated and he let his frustration out on his stall like he did with the t-shirts he dumped on the floor

Ian and Jane's french lol

Aww bless Lauren, i think she's jealous of Monique and Peter ;)

For one moment when Kevin and Pat were talking, i thought Pat had an ickling that Steven smashed the cars as he was out late last night

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes I thought Pat suspected Steven did it but on hearing about Phil she changed her mind but Phil got Jase to do it for him. Yes I can see why Steven smashed the stall just like he dropped the T shirts but I think Ian thinks he had the gun all along which is part of the reason why he hates Steven so I hope he finds out eventually that Lucy gave him Craig's gun and that it only ended up in Steven's possession by chance. No he is definitely ungay I mean straight - I always thought Steven was straight.

[Lennie]

So glad he's not confused on that part lol

Ian was really nasty to him - no wonder he smashed his own stall, also Ian didnt think much of it so Steven thought what's the point - he took out his frustrations

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't think Ian has any right to stop Monique from seeing him though. Monique may be a bit of a handful but she is a stranger/guest there and she isn't involved in any of this. He could just say that he doesn't want Steven in the house orr the cafe and so Monique could see him in Walford generally. In fact she was a bit stupid dragging Steven back to the Beales when Peter made it clear that Steven's the black sheep of the family - that would just create more trouble. I thought Steven handl Monique really well and Stacey too. I knew he would say no since he is 17 and Monique only 13/14 - he may still not be fully well but he is decent - besides he doesn't like her in that way.

[Siobhan]

Yes I can see why Steven smashed the stall just like he dropped the T shirts but I think Ian thinks he had the gun all along which is part of the reason why he hates Steven .

Look at it this way.. would you easily forgive someone who made you believe that your dead wife was still alive and driving you mad. Then imprisoned you for weeks and moved into your family home leaving your wife and kids to believe you left them.. my god, steven even sent text to jane pretending to be Ian saying he need more time.. Like Ian had abandoned them!! Then to top it all off, have your chance to have children with your current wife taken away from you... Could you forgive so easily.. do you think "I'm Sorry" cuts it... I don't!!!

[Lizzie Brookes]

I didn't say that. I just said prt of the reason might be that he thinks Steven is dangerous because he had a gun all along. Of course it isn't easy toforgive someone for stalking and locking you up. I don't know if Ian knows that Steven sent Jane a text from Ian's phone and then burned it but to be fair the shooting of Jane was accidental and i don't think Steven knows that Jane's womb was removed. It's obvious though that he wasn't well at the time and is better now. It was Monique who went to see Steven at Pat's and Pater decided to accompany her as Steven said. He should keep a low profil e hough until he gets a chance to truly make amends and show how repentant he is. It'll still tak time though.

[Siobhan]

But I don't think he is better.. 2 comment from Ian sent him into a hissy fit.. When Ian didn't say anything about the Stall, Steven threw the t-shirts on the ground and then when Ian told him there was nothing here for Steven, he goes smashes up his stall and you say he is better!!!
He behaves like a 2 year old

[Lizzie Brookes]

He is not fully well I agree but he is not shaking any more so the clinic must have helped somewhat. I admit inhis situation I wouldn't have done anything like that. I would have kept a low profile and downcast eyes and not said anything to Ian. I don't think it is just a chidish tantrum. He is still a bit disturbed though not as severely as before. It is quite sad though when he tries to kill himself again - if he wanted attention he'd do itout in the square where everyone would see and stop him not just Stacey so I don't think it can be that.

[Lennie]

The problem Steven has is that he needs to control his anger, she gets frustrated easily as we have seen many times before

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree Lennie. He ought to try and explore some anger management classes. He is a type to get easily fustrated. By the way is digital spy working again? It kept saying today that the page couldn't be displayed.

[Lennie]

He mainly just gets frustrated at Ian, as he's doing everything for Ian to accept him back but Ian's not having it
And i think Ian pruposely winds him to get a reaction

Digispy is working :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yeah it is now I just tried it. I am sorry for Steven but I think he should take things slowly one step at a time and try gradually to rebuild trust again. Yes Ian does wind him up diliberately which is mean but on the other hand you can't easily forgive someone for stalking and locking you up.

[Lennie]

I think Steven right now should settle into his life and job and take it from there :)

Wonder if Ian's told Jane where Steven is working lol

[Lizzie Brookes]

Though I can't help thinking that the smahed stall was a cry for help, this was really unfair since Ian for once did not snipe at him and Jane told him to go and sort this out with Steven. Though the clinic has helped in that he has at least stopped shaking it was quite appalling to tash his own stall and then blame Ian and Stacey for it and though he did not exactly lie to Pat he did give her the false impression of being victimised. I can't condone his manipulative behaviour but there is a part of me that still seems to understand him and sympathise with him despite all this. Stacey has already noticed he is not fully well though since she said "Ian's right, you do need help".

[Joanne]

I don't think Stacey meant that literally - she was making a put down comment.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Steven eating away Denise's bacon lol - but atleast he was kind enough to buy her a pack of them :cool:

Lol at Monique and her letter to Steven 'I will always love you' :rolleyes:

Loved that little Steven/Jean scene, and he called her 'my darling' - he's gonna get on with Jean mainly to wind Stacey up lol

The little scene with Jane and Steven was good, he was so genuine when he saw and and asked her 'how are you feeling' and 'Look Jane, i am sorry'

Ian just winds Steven up, even by just looking at Ian
Looks like Steven knew that CCTV camera was there as he looked straight at it :confused:

Poor Steven getting all his stuff from NZ, a total rejection from his father all over again :mad: :(
That snow globe must of hold some memories the way he rushed off (i think Ian must of got that for him when he was little)

Steven and Stacey scenes lol - they have such banter :cool:

[Lennie]

I don't think Stacey meant that literally - she was making a put down comment.

Thats right


Have you noticed Steven gets angry when ppl call him mad or insane - he just doesnt like it

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't think Stacey meant that literally - she was making a put down comment.

Thats right


Have you noticed Steven gets angry when ppl call him mad or insane - he just doesnt like it

It isn't a very nice thing to say to someone though. If he was ill then the illness though it does not condone his behaviour was not his fault and it's quite insensitive and judgemental. Ian was worse than Stacey. Jane doesn't do that and Steven's actions hurt her most. I think Steven was genuine when he asked how Jane was and then apologised though it would have been better to cast his eyes down and say nothing.

[Lennie]

I read all the soaps mag today lol about the suicide attempt - him throwing petrol everywhere and want to set himself alight until Stacey tries to stop him

Says the same things in all of them except in All About Soap it said (mainly Aaron saying) When Ian hears about the incident from Stacey he begins to soften, but there is loads more to come from this, but there isnt anyway back for Steven and Jane


Also looks like Ian and Steven build bridges in Xmas week, but Jane is still hostile and angry


I am glad Ian starts to build bridges with him, and he moves back in the house, yay more Steven/Jane scenes filled with high emotions - i think Laurie and Aaron work very well together, their scenes are great :)

I thought Ian might let him back in esp when i read the spoiler on week 51 saying 'Ian tells him some home truths', i got a feeling that when Steven finds out about Jane and the truth about the damage he had done, thats when Steven finally begins to realise the extent of Jane's anger and hostile towards him and also Ian's reaction to him (coz before Steven thought that the Beales will know the shooting was a accident and will let him back in to the family, as he didnt know Jane cant have kids) - i think he's angry that he didnt know the truth earlier about Jane, and now he sees everything clear

[Lizzie Brookes]

I know Ian and Steven make up. I read it on Digital Spy and yes I read about the suicide attempt in Inside Soap just now. I am very srry for Steven and I amlad Stacey saves him - hopefully this means that Stacey and Steven will be firm friends. I kno Jane will always be hostile towards him but if Ian choses to let Steven stay in his house there is nothing Jane can do about it. I wonder hat makes Stacey follow Steven to the arches - did she suspect what he was thinking of doing?

[Lennie]

I think Stacey is intrigue on where he is actually going with the vodka bottle

[Lizzie Brookes]

I suppose. I wonder why he takes the vodka bottle there if his plan is to pour petrol on himself.

[Lennie]

I think he's already drunk, after Ian says some really harsh things after the twins b-day party and breaks his snow globe (that Ian gave to him when the twins were born, it holds so many memroies and he wanted the twins to have it as a b-day present) - thats what hits Steven the most and all he wants to do is die

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm glad Stacey stops him. I don't somehow think Steven would light the atch if Stacey's life were at risk too - I mean last time he tried to kill himself although he was more messed up than now it led to him accidentallyshooting Jane in the stomach and even he was shocked by that.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Good episode tonight. Aaron was brilliant as usual. I know Steven is desperate to apologise but Luicy is right - these things take time. Looks like Tanya knows everything. The problem is Jane thinks he had the gun all along and he brought his own gun and intended to use it and Steven won't say anything because he ptomised Lucy he wouldn't and he doesn't want to get her into trouble. He should have stayed away of course and it was out of order to take his anger out on poor Dot but even I found it hard when Jane said about how her life had been destroyed so i know how unbearable Steven muist have found that - the guilt and the torment and himtelling her to stop saying that - I'm glad Lucy tended to his hand after he spilt the coffee though he shouldn't have stolen, well "borrowed" her keys. Tanya's ight - what he did was criminal but it was accidental and he wasn't well. I really think Lucy should tell the truth about the gun - it's not fair otherwise - they are both responsible in a way as Steven would never have got the gun if Lucy hadn't given it him - I ca\n't wait for tomorrow.

[Lennie]

Hi Lizzie

I still need to see last thurs/fri and yesterdays episode :)

Yes, you are right in saying that Jane thinks Steven had the gun all along, so that makes her think he is even more dangerous etc

[Lizzie Brookes]

Hi Lizzie

I still need to see last thurs/fri and yesterdays episode :)

Yes, you are right in saying that Jane thinks Steven had the gun all along, so that makes her think he is even more dangerous etc

Oh - maybe you should have taped them. I filled mum in on what was happening in EastEnders since she is away at the moment. She thought it was really noble of Steven not to drop Lucy in it when Jane pressured him with all those questions about the gun and I agree. Shame he's not in tonight's episode but I think Aaron deserves a break from time to time. He's doing a brilliant job. I know Aaron and Riob are good mates in real life but somehow I'm so used to seeing them onscreenplaying Sean and Steven that i just can't imagine them being mates though of course what they perform in EastEnders is totally different from real life.

[Lennie]

Spoiler from Week 2

Jane has a plan to keep Steven out of her way.

[Lizzie Brookes]

What? I never heard about this. What's the plan? Can you elaborate or point me to the website you got it from. I thought Steven and Ian eventually made up and Steven moved back in with the Beales at Christmas.

[Lennie]

Its on the Week 2 spoilers - posted by irisheyes :)

He does move in with the Beales, but Jane is not going to forgive him that easily - she just doesnt want him near her at all

[Lizzie Brookes]

Hopefully if Ian and Jane discover the truth about the gun things will get easier. I don't think Jane can throw him out if Ian's decided he can stay so I don't know how she manages to keep him away from her. Probably makes him work long hours in the cafe while she sits home in front of the television.

[Pinkbanana]

Probably makes him work long hours in the cafe while she sits home in front of the television.

Having him around isnt going to be easy. He is going to be a constant reminder that Jane cant have children...also he is the reason for it. Ian is really insensitive for taking him in, especially sooo soon.

Anyway so what if she makes him work long hours, she is still recovering and he needs to start making amends.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I wasn't saying that in a bad way. I'm just not sure how else she can keep Steven away if it's Ian's decision to let him stay there. I agree that it is a bit too soon for him to move back in - he should stay at Pat's and Ian should alllow the twins to go and see him at Pat's whenever they want because obviously he wouldn't hurt them - he loves them and even when he was messed up he wouldn't diliberately hurt anyone. When he was first revealed as the stalker I wasn't syure but when his charecter became better known I was sure of that.

Tonight's episode:

Brilliant episode. Aaron was brilliant as usual but tomorrow will be even better. It was a bit childish of Lucy to invite Steven merely because she wanted to annoy Ian but I'm glad she did. He is her half brother, whatever he'ss done. I understand Ian's anger but he should copy Jane and just give him the silent treatment. Smashing the snow globe was unecessarily cruel. I'm glad he didn't pour the petrol on himself but only around the garage. The soap magazines exaggerate thesethings a bit. It would have been too shocking if he covered himself in the petrol too. Bradley probably thought he was just being rufe but I think Stacey saw that he didn't even seem to be aware of her and Bradley - just on a single track mind and when se saw him breaking into the garage she knew something was wrong. I'm glad she went. I am sorry for Steven and i understand the importance of the snow globe to him because I value objects of sentimental value too and though Pat told Ianhe was twice the dad Simon was it is true that Stevenshould keep his head down and stay out of the way till things have calmed down. In Monday's episode it was noble of him not to betray Lucy hen Jane asked awkward questions about the gun. I do hope he doesn't do anything stupid. I am definitely watching the repeat at 10 today and tomorrow. I only do that whenits a really good storyline.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Good episode - good scenes with Steven

Again getting frustrated and agitated with Ian and himself

He is a great artist, loved the drawing he did of Lucy and Peter

There was no need for Ian to do what he did - Ian just wants to get a reaction out of him

And Lucy winding Ian up by inviting Steven to the party lol

Poor Jane, she is still scared and panicky, nice to see Tanya with her
Nice to see wat Jean said about ppl laughing etc

Lol at what he did to Stacey's clothes

Aaron is fab as to what he portrays as Steven, coz how his character is - i also fidn that his scenes/acting isnt OTT, just about right :)

[Lennie]

Probably makes him work long hours in the cafe while she sits home in front of the television.


Anyway so what if she makes him work long hours, she is still recovering and he needs to start making amends.

I think Steven needs to take eveything Jane dishes out to him

Steven right now doesnt know the full truth of Jane's injuring, once he finds out i think he will understand why Jane is still hostile and angry with him, and he will understand that much more then what he does now

[Perdita]

Does it not strike you as strange that he still does not know the extent of Jane's injuries? Surely somebody from the Beale family should have told him by now?:searchme: :hmm: What is the big secret?

[Lizzie Brookes]

Does it not strike you as strange that he still does not know the extent of Jane's injuries? Surely somebody from the Beale family should have told him by now?:searchme: :hmm: What is the big secret?

I think Steven has a right to know. I wouild want to know the truth if I were Steven.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Probably makes him work long hours in the cafe while she sits home in front of the television.

Anyway so what if she makes him work long hours, she is still recovering and he needs to start making amends.

I think Steven needs to take eveything Jane dishes out to him

Steven right now doesnt know the full truth of Jane's injuring, once he finds out i think he will understand why Jane is still hostile and angry with him, and he will understand that much more then what he does now

I agree with that. If only he could learn to channel his fustration and everything. When he was messed up he had this goo habit of not ansering back when shouted at and though I'm glasd he is better now I would hate it if he lost that ability. It's best to remain silent under reproof, especially if you are supposed tobe in disgrace.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Todays episode

Good episode - good scenes with Steven

Again getting frustrated and agitated with Ian and himself

He is a great artist, loved the drawing he did of Lucy and Peter

There was no need for Ian to do what he did - Ian just wants to get a reaction out of him

And Lucy winding Ian up by inviting Steven to the party lol

Poor Jane, she is still scared and panicky, nice to see Tanya with her
Nice to see wat Jean said about ppl laughing etc

Lol at what he did to Stacey's clothes

Aaron is fab as to what he portrays as Steven, coz how his character is - i also fiind that his scenes/acting isnt OTT, just about right :)

I agree with all you have written Lennie. I agree that smashing the snow globe was unecessary - that wasn't doing any harm to anyone. Ian should just coy Jane and give Steven the silent treatment for a while because strong as my stympathy is for him he did wrrong and has to pay for it but I am sorry that heis so desperate and suicidal. Jean seems to understand Steven quite well actually so maybe that is what makes Stacey think and follow him. Bradley probablyy thought he was just being rude but he didn't even seem to notice either Stacey or Bradley - he seemed completely in his own world.

[Lennie]

Does it not strike you as strange that he still does not know the extent of Jane's injuries? Surely somebody from the Beale family should have told him by now?:searchme: :hmm: What is the big secret?

We kinda knew that he didnt know when we saw him at the clinic, i am sure Pat told him Jane has survived but not that she cant have kids, i think Steven wasnt too well to handle that part - otherwise it would come in between his recovery

Also i doubt Jane wants him to know, which i find surprising - i woudl have expected her too fully tell him what he has done to her

[Lizzie Brookes]

Pat didn't tell Steven because he had enough on his plate then and afterwards she probably thought it would make Steven have a relapse or something. Yes I am surprised too that she doesn't want him to know the full extent of what he did to her even though he hadn't meant to do that and it was accidental.

[Lennie]

Probably makes him work long hours in the cafe while she sits home in front of the television.

Anyway so what if she makes him work long hours, she is still recovering and he needs to start making amends.

I think Steven needs to take eveything Jane dishes out to him

Steven right now doesnt know the full truth of Jane's injuring, once he finds out i think he will understand why Jane is still hostile and angry with him, and he will understand that much more then what he does now

I agree with that. If only he could learn to channel his fustration and everything. When he was messed up he had this goo habit of not ansering back when shouted at and though I'm glasd he is better now I would hate it if he lost that ability. It's best to remain silent under reproof, especially if you are supposed tobe in disgrace.

Atleast he's stop shaking and feeling nervous as he was way before
Its just he gets frustrated most of the time and he takes it on things like Stacey's clothes rack, even Jean get frustrated sometimes who has some mental difficulties

[Lennie]

Pat didn't tell Steven because he had enough on his plate then and afterwards she probably thought it would make Steven have a relapse or something. Yes I am surprised too that she doesn't want him to know the full extent of what he did to her even though he hadn't meant to do that and it was accidental.

We know from reading the spoilers - that Ian finally tells Steven and Jane isnt happy about that, thats when Steven finally understands everything and why Jane still has the right to be angry and hostile with him

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm glad Ian tells Steven. Steven has a right to know. Only 6 hours left till EastEnders tonight. I have a feeling it'll be a bit like that dramatic episode on October 12th when the stalker storyline hit its dramatic conclusion. I'm watching it at 10 too if its good and on Sunday of course though i may give Tuesday's episode a miss for obvious reasons.

[Lennie]

I am looking forward to tonignt - Steven is on edge and is at his lowest :(

I need to see the Omnibus on sunday, i missed monday's episode - came back from abroad late at night, also need to catch up on last thurs/fri episode - i missed Steven at the R&R opening


Also another thing, we have to remember Jane and Steven werent exactly on a good level before what happened at the flat. remember Steven kissed Jane, and Jane asked him to leave etc

[Lizzie Brookes]

That is true. They were ok from the time he arrived up to Mondays episode when she asked him to leave because his presence was unsettling the twins though but after he misread the signals and kissed her everything got tense again. I suppose it was just awkward and he was mixed up but I don't have a problem with him having a crush on Jane so long as he doesn't act on it but unfortunately he did.

They had an ok relationship on September 28th though:

Steven: Sorry, just all that stuff Lucy was saying.
Jane: It's not your fault.
Steven: Not much help though is it? All these faces turning up from the past. It's bound to upset her.
Jane: Steven, you're here because you care about your dad and I know you've had your differences in the past. But if he were here now...if he knew the sort of thing...
Steven: I'd better be going
Jane: You can't leave now. Tell him Pat.
Pat: What?
Jane: Steven. He's got to stay the night at least.
Steven: I don't want to put anyone out
Pat: Of course he has.

[Lennie]

I really think he had a genuine crush on her, not just to hurt Ian

She was being all nice and comforting him, and touched his face - he went ahead and kissed her

[Lizzie Brookes]

I too think he had a genuine crush but surely she shouldn't have been angry with him for that. She surely realised he was a disturbed young man.

I just saw the preview clip.Aaron said that Steven doesn't intend to kill Stacey, he only intends to kill himself and he asks her to leave so that he can but she is determined to stop him doing something stupid but in the preview clip Stacey like Ian in the car doesn't take him seriously at first but I wonder hy he locks the door and stops her leaving if he doesn't intend to kill her.

I wish they would put up that scene with Abi, Steven and the Guinea Pig and where Steven talks tio Lucy on October 1st and the Steven scenes of october 4th on You Tube. I liked those very much.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I really think he had a genuine crush on her, not just to hurt Ian

She was being all nice and comforting him, and touched his face - he went ahead and kissed her

Lennie, you could consider inviting some of the Steven fans like Hera, Chrissiepops etc who are on the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread to sign up here. At the moment you and I are the only ones on this board as far as I know who are well sympathetic towards Steven though not accepting of his behaviour because it's wrong - it'd be nice if there were more Steven fans around on these boards too don't you think?

Just a thought.

Anyway - Can't wait till tonight Only one and a alf hours to go. I hope they put today's episode up on You Tube.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Cool and thanks :) yes, i can see Steven protective of Lucy and Peter

You havent got a virgin media, ntlworld or bt account?

PM me, i will try and make you a virgin media account, give me your hotmail add and what username will be suitable :) (i would try to PM you with this message but you havent got a PM)

Lennie - could I by any chance use my university e-mail address? I mean I really want to join the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread - I've only been reading it as an outsider so far - it's just I am not sure whether the university would like it.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Today's episode was good. Loved the Stacey/Steven scenes and Aaron did brilliantly. I knew he couldn't tell her anything about what happened of course but Stacey's advice was good - to concentrate on his friends for now and forget about his family for a bit - it was lovely to see them bonding. I am softening towards Ian now - he does still love Steven as a son despite everything though he should not have broken that snow globe but he is afraid of losing Jane if he forgives Steventoo soon which is understandable. Jane is a total stranger to him but Ian knows Stevenbetter as does Pat, Lucy and Pete - I agree with Ian that Steven would never hurt Lucy. I'm definitely watching again at 10 though there were not as many Steven scenes as I would have liked.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Steven/Stacey scenes were great - i loved how one moment, Steven this mad/frustrated/angry person and then this broken/confused/sad person and Stacey saw this, and i loved that Stacey made so much sense in what she said to him - she is right step back, stop trying so hard etc

I also felt for Stacey when she had one tear roll down her face :(

For the first time we have seen what Ian is actually going through, he is torn with Jane and Steven, i think Ian really wants to know what happened to Steven - the one that left and now who he has become

and Pat is right Steven is always in the middle of things and Simon just chucked him aside

Its understandable how Jane is reacting and being but i am glad we got to see that she kinda knows Ian is going through etc

Good to see that tonight we got more insight on Steven/Simon's years in NZ, looks like the 1st year was great, but then i think Steven started missing home (Ian, Peter and Lucy), even more at birthdays/Xmas who can he speak to about it and then Simon chucked him aside after that - didnt bother with him :(

Ian was surprised at the end, he was expecting a rage Steven but he got a calm Steven saying Night lol

I think Steven and Stacey are going to be great friends, sticking up for one another and being there for one another :cool:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes. I am really hoping that when Stax comes out Stacey cantalk to Steven about it. I knew Steven couldn't tell her the truth about what he did - it's too complicated and touches on so many loyalties etc but I am glad that he said what he could and that Stacey talked him out of killing himself. I know Stacey said her mum is ill while Steven just has problems but she doesn't know Steven is recovering from an anxiety disorder or whatever mental illness it was he had.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thanks Lennie for inviting the other Steven fans on the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread to the Soap Boards. I am aware the link didn't work.

http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/index.php

Why not try posting that and see if it works. I must go and see the 10 repeat of EastEnders now - I'm only doing so today because I like the Steven/Stacey scenes and this was a good storyline.

[Lennie]

Finally watched last mondays episode on todays omnibus

I dont know where Ian's head is at times, sending his wife off to the hospital on her own

I sometimes wonder why Steven scares Jane like that, esp when he just breaks in or barges in - no wonder he scares Jane, good scene between Jane/Steven, him trying to say sorry and Jane telling him of her pain, while he is getting frustrated and holding his head - it was nice to see Steven and Lucy helping Jane onto a chair and then Ian barges in and chucks him out

[Lizzie Brookes]

Finally watched last mondays episode on todays omnibus

I dont know where Ian's head is at times, sending his wife off to the hospital on her own

I sometimes wonder why Steven scares Jane like that, esp when he just breaks in or barges in - no wonder he scares Jane, good scene between Jane/Steven, him trying to say sorry and Jane telling him of her pain, while he is getting frustrated and holding his head - it was nice to see Steven and Lucy helping Jane onto a chair and then Ian barges in and chucks him out

Yeah Monday's episode was really good too. I'm not surprised Steven Cringed - I don't like hearing things like that either - it's unpleasant but it is doubly hard for him because it's his fault. Both mum and I thought it as very noble of him to protect Lucy and not say where he got the gun from despite Jane pressuring him about it. She seemed somewhat to accept the actual firing was an accident but she like Ian thought it was Steven's gun, that he had it all along and intended to use it. She kind of said something along the lines of "But you still shot me and I am suffering the consequences all because you didn't mean to have a gun that day" and h couldn't say anything of course as he loves his half sister. I know what that kind of thing is like soIfully understood the kind of pressure Steven was going through.

Can't wait for tonight. There may not be much Steven this week and i notice that Steven is only prominent every other week but I think Aaron neds a rest from time to time - he's doing a fantastic job.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

How cute was Steven when flirting with Roxy lol - so wanted to see that kiss lol, and calling her Angel of mercy lol
I think Stacey was worried whether Roxy could handle Steven (whilst taking him home), cos with Steven you never know where you are with him, and Stacey herself is just getting use to it

I did like the Roxy and Steven scenes, good to see she didnt treat him like a kid or laughed at him, she was really nice with him :cool:


He gets so excited easily, his face lighted up when Stacey agreed to the night-out and this Steve's new cocktail thing he made lol

[Lennie]

Inside Soap magazine article/spoilers





The feast of Steven

Steven is welcomed back into the Beale brood, but can Jane forgive him?

Steven Beale biggest wish comes true this fortnight, when the man who raised him as a son, Ian, invites him to Xmas dinner. But after being accidentally shot by the tormented teen Ian's wife Jane finds it impossible to bury the hatchet. Could her lingering resentment serve to tip Steven over the edge again?
"Steven's thrilled when Ian asks him to spend Xmas with the family," smiles Aaron Sidwell "But he's also on his guard since he knows that its going to take a alot for Jane to forgive him. Because
of that, he initially turns down the offer." However, after a good talking-to-from Ian, the confused lad decides to spend the festive day with the Beales after all.
"Its the first time the two of them have spoken properly since the shooting," says Aaron. "Ian tells Steven that he's been really immature and talks to him like a father, which helps Steven change his mind. However, when he turns up on Xmas day, its clear Jane doesnt have a clue he's coming. Ian want to tell her, but avoids it because she's still very angry with Steven."
Although she's tempted to turf him back out into the cold, Jane reluctantly caves in to Ian's plea to give Steven a chance - but insists that he's welcome for one hour only, and not a second longer.
"Ian persuades Jane to go easy" Aaron reveals. "She gives Steven the cold shoulder, though, so he tries hard to be polite. He offers her the sprouts at lunch, but manages to spill them all over the place. Everyone laughs, even Jane, and for a while it seems everything's going okay. However, Steven's shocked when Jane summarily declares that his hour is over. "Steven didnt realise he was being timed," sighs Aaron. "He's having a lovely family meal, then its like, 'Right, your time's up - now get out!'. He's stunned" So, can there ever be hope for a reconciliation between Jane and Steven?

Pics - Pic 1 Steven serving the sprouts to Jane and them rolling off (i told you he's clumsy around her ;) )
and Pic 2 Jane giving Steven a annoyed unhappy look

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thanks for that Lennie. It sounds great. It's clear Steven still has a bit of a crush on her - I never thought that had anything to do with him being messed up. Jane's reaction is of course understanable - I can't blame her. I really hope that Steven leaves without any argument. He needs to give everyone all the time in the world. I'm glad Ian has come round though - Pat's right Steven is Ian's son, blood related or not. By the way does Bradley know Steven tried to set fire to himself?

[Lennie]

Bradley knows coz Stacey said the next day that 'no one bounces back from drosing yourself in petrol that quickly'


I dont see signs right now that Steven has a crush on her, but i think he has a soft spot for her and as time goes by who knows

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thanks for clarifying that. Steven certainly respects Jane and doesnt take her for granted. I think the crush was seperate from his being mixed up but when he was mixed up he made the mistake of acting on it. If he continues to spill things around her - then it may be he has a crush on her only this time he would keep quiet about that out of respect for ian and because hes more normal.

[Lennie]

I think Steven has respect has alot of respect for Jane, as she's such a strong, fiery, caring, stable family woman and i think he likes that, and i dont think he's met any like her

I bet Simon only brought rich, young ladies home or been his girlfriends

His crush on Jane before IMO was not a plan connected with Ian, it just happened along the way, he wasnt suppose to fall for her but he did

[Lennie]

Walford actor feels "so lucky"

Saturday, December 15 2007, 14:18 GMT
By Daniel Kilkelly

EastEnders actor Aaron Sidwell has revealed that he feels privileged to be working on the soap.

Sidwell made a dramatic debut as Steven Beale (previously played by Edward Savage) in September when the character was revealed as Ian's stalker.

"I have been so lucky," Aaron told the Daily Star. "Not many people get the chance to work on such a huge show, and my entrance was pretty impressive. I still wake up and think: 'Oh my God, I'm in EastEnders.' It's brilliant."

Aaron has promised that viewers can expect more bad boy antics from Steven in the coming months.

"He is always going to be a bit unstable and there will always be danger," Sidwell explained. "I don't think even he knows what he's going to do next - but he's deadly, so don't let the nice guy act fool you."


(http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/a81753/walford-actor-feels-so-lucky.html)

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thanks for posting that Lennie - I saw it on Digital Spy too. I agree his crush on Jane was nothing to do with what he did to Ian, it just happened along the way and i don't think it had anything to do with him being mixed up before either though as aaron said hell probably always be slightly unstable and a tortured soul but not as bad as before.

I love that scene with Lucy at the kitchen table. She was quite gentle and patient with him;

"I know what dad's like. I don't need you to tell me. There are times when I'd have been well up to locking him in a little room and I've done some prettyu out of the way stuff but I'd never do that, because that's weird. Photos to make it look as though mum was back, I used to dream that that would happen. Locking dad up so we would all think he was dead, and Jane - you can see how it all sounds, yeah?"

And he agreed that "when you say itt out loud, it's all screwed" - he's obviously very close to her. I can't wait till tomorrow and I'm glad he didn't tell Jane or Ian that Lucy gave him the gun despite the pressure Jane put him under - that was very noble of him.

[Lizzie Brookes]

When is this "showdown" supposed to happen? I mean it must surely be before Stevem moves back in in the New Year? I really hope the truth comes out about the gun - it's not fair on Steven otherwise.

[Joanne]

I think it's after he moves in with them. The spoiler that I saw for it was for storylines in early 2008.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Oh right. Thanks Joanne. Hopefully then Ian and Jane will be a little warmer towards Steven because he never planned to take the gun with him when he went to let Ian out. Lucy gave him the gun 48 hours before that to get rifd of and he would have handed it in if he had been well. Like my mum said when Ian and Jane find that out and remember that when they pressurised him he did not betray Lucy, they will respect him more.

[Pinkbanana]

Oh right. Thanks Joanne. Hopefully then Ian and Jane will be a little warmer towards Steven because he never planned to take the gun with him when he went to let Ian out. Lucy gave him the gun 48 hours before that to get rifd of and he would have handed it in if he had been well. Like my mum said when Ian and Jane find that out and remember that when they pressurised him he did not betray Lucy, they will respect him more.


Ofcourse he planned to take the gun with him to the flat. Lucy, as you said, gave it to him 48 hours before hand - thats enough time to dispose of it, or at the very least take it out of his bag and hide it somewhere whilst he went to the flat!!!

After all he has done, I cant see any of them respecting him, even if they do forgive him.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Each to their own. I stand by my view though that he did not consiously take with him the gun with the intent of killing Ian. If Lucy had never given him that gun, then he would have gone there with Lucy and without a gun. If he intended o use a gun against Ian he would have somehow obtained a gun of his own and taken it to the flat and used it against Ian but he did not do that. He used Craig's gun which ended up with him by chance. If he had premeditated this then why go to the police station with the gun in the first place?

Why not just pocket it and lie to Lucy that he handed it in? Yet he did not do that. He did not lie to Lucy. He admitted he still had it. He went to the station to hand it in and then got confused because of DS Grimwood's questions and remember he wasn't mentally well so he put it back in his bag. I think that Ian and Jane will respect him for not saying Lucy gave him the gun - I think you misunderstood what I said there. As for hiding it before going to the flat - he could have hidden it I suppose but he wasn't thinking straight - he was agitated, tensed, consumed with guilt as to hat he did to Ian.

The fact that he went to free him and only pulled the gun out when Ian threatened to call the police on him shows how confused/mixed up he was. I can't forgety how his hand shook as he was holding it, that he lowered it when Ian made him see he was scaring his little half sister and that he put it away during his conversation with Ian. It happened to fall out when Jane hit him and he lifted it and put it in his lap. He would never have harmed any of them. He turned it on himself whern Jane gave him the idea so maybe if he did take it with him it may have been only in as much as he planned to commit suicide but even then I doubt it. He was losing control by Thursday and ardly in the right frame of mind to premeditate taking a gun with him for the purpose of harming Ian.

Anyway as Ian said to Jane even if Steven was with Lucy he would not hurt her. Ian knows this. He would not hurt anyone and is emphatically not a killer or attempted killer. I respect that you are distrustful of Steven but I stand by my view.

[Pinkbanana]

Each to their own. I stand by my view though that he did not consiously take with him the gun with the intent of killing Ian. If Lucy had never given him that gun, then he would have gone there with Lucy and without a gun. If he intended o use a gun against Ian he would have somehow obtained a gun of his own and taken it to the flat and used it against Ian but he did not do that. He used Craig's gun which ended up with him by chance. If he had premeditated this then why go to the police station with the gun in the first place?

Why not just pocket it and lie to Lucy that he handed it in? Yet he did not do that. He did not lie to Lucy. He admitted he still had it. He went to the station to hand it in and then got confused because of DS Grimwood's questions and remember he wasn't mentally well so he put it back in his bag. I think that Ian and Jane will respect him for not saying Lucy gave him the gun - I think you misunderstood what I said there. As for hiding it before going to the flat - he could have hidden it I suppose but he wasn't thinking straight - he was agitated, tensed, consumed with guilt as to hat he did to Ian.

The fact that he went to free him and only pulled the gun out when Ian threatened to call the police on him shows how confused/mixed up he was. I can't forgety how his hand shook as he was holding it, that he lowered it when Ian made him see he was scaring his little half sister and that he put it away during his conversation with Ian. It happened to fall out when Jane hit him and he lifted it and put it in his lap. He would never have harmed any of them. He turned it on himself whern Jane gave him the idea so maybe if he did take it with him it may have been only in as much as he planned to commit suicide but even then I doubt it. He was losing control by Thursday and ardly in the right frame of mind to premeditate taking a gun with him for the purpose of harming Ian.

Anyway as Ian said to Jane even if Steven was with Lucy he would not hurt her. Ian knows this. He would not hurt anyone and is emphatically not a killer or attempted killer. I respect that you are distrustful of Steven but I stand by my view.


I think we could go around in circles here, you are clearly sooo obsessed with Steven that you have formulated your own ideas in your head of exactly what he is like, fanfic. Thats up to you, just please dont treat people who disagree with you as idiots.

I dont think anything Steven has done can be considered noble.

[Lizzie Brookes]

[QUOTE=Nigel the Christmas Turkey;546445]
I think we could go around in circles here, you are clearly sooo obsessed with Steven that you have formulated your own ideas in your head of exactly what he is like, fanfic. Thats up to you, just please dont treat people who disagree with you as idiots.
QUOTE]

I'm not, I'm not - I just said I respected your view. We'll always conflict on our views about Steven but I'm sure we both agree that Aaron is a very talented actor who portrays Steven brilliantly.

[Lennie]

Thanks for posting that Lennie - I saw it on Digital Spy too. I agree his crush on Jane was nothing to do with what he did to Ian, it just happened along the way and i don't think it had anything to do with him being mixed up before either though as aaron said hell probably always be slightly unstable and a tortured soul but not as bad as before.

I love that scene with Lucy at the kitchen table. She was quite gentle and patient with him;

"I know what dad's like. I don't need you to tell me. There are times when I'd have been well up to locking him in a little room and I've done some prettyu out of the way stuff but I'd never do that, because that's weird. Photos to make it look as though mum was back, I used to dream that that would happen. Locking dad up so we would all think he was dead, and Jane - you can see how it all sounds, yeah?"

And he agreed that "when you say itt out loud, it's all screwed" - he's obviously very close to her. I can't wait till tomorrow and I'm glad he didn't tell Jane or Ian that Lucy gave him the gun despite the pressure Jane put him under - that was very noble of him.

Yes, i think Steven will always be abit unstable and always be a danger, esp to others who dont know him that well

Lucy kinda had to be the adult in that particular scene, and Steven is right saying it aloud does sound all screwed up, but back then he was very screwed up.

This will be a good week for Jane and Steven, finally Steven finds out about the truth about Jane's injuries

[Lizzie Brookes]

She? Don't you mean he? lol. I agree yes. I can't wait till tonight. The only thing is he starts to forget what Stacey and Lucy told him and once more attempts to make amends. I understand his desperation to do so but for the time being he'd do better to concentrate on his work, stay at Pat's and stick close to Stacey and Bradley though obviously letting them have time alone too. It looks like Steven is a good friend to Stacey when Stax comes out and I'm glad of it. I like those rings Steven wears. They seem to really suit him.

[Lennie]

It looks like Steven is a good friend to Stacey when Stax comes out and I'm glad of it. I like those rings Steven wears. They seem to really suit him.

I think Steven doesnt judge her, and continues being a friends as everyone is not like that

Also another thing, we know Steven moves in the Beales house in the new year, i think Jane and Steven will have another reason to clash as that Jane is Tanya's mate and Steven is Stacey's mate

Those rings suit him, and his fingers they dont look odd - i think whole emo image suits him lol

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Just little bits of Steven today :cool:

He did look really confused at what he has done and what Ian is refering to and why JAne has to go in hospital again

Pat really doesnt want him to know, coz she doesnt know how he's gonna take it

I have to say he sounded really calm when Ian cornered him in the cafe, when Ian just kept going on and refering to the damage he has done

I liked that he decided to bring Jane some stuff - magazines, grapes etc :) - he really takes risks, when we know Ian will go off on one lol

Looks like tomorrow he finally finds out

[Lizzie Brookes]

Good episode today. The problem is Steven doesn't fully understand the implications of what he has done and as a result the extent of Ian and Jane's anger. I suppose Ian could have pretended the grapes were from a well wisher - he doesn't have to say they are from Steven but still...I know Steven was worrired that it was something he did and is desperate to make amends but he'll only anger Ian and Jane further by approaching them - he should keep his head down and concentrate really hard on his job and take his mind off things for now.

[Lennie]

Good episode today. The problem is Steven doesn't fully understand the implications of what he has done and as a result the extent of Ian and Jane's anger. I suppose Ian could have pretended the grapes were from a well wisher - he doesn't have to say they are from Steven but still...I know Steven was worrired that it was something he did and is desperate to make amends but he'll only anger Ian and Jane further by approaching them - he should keep his head down and concentrate really hard on his job and take his mind off things for now.

Steven's so desperate to make up - he wont stop trying, also he has sort of backed away after that chat with Stacey

After he heard about Jane, he had to find out and do something for Jane

[Lizzie Brookes]

He did back off a little after what Stacey said but he felt guilty and worried when he heard Jane had to go back to hospital so he sort of relapsed a bit.

Doesn't Stacey get worried about him on Thursday because he sinks into depression or something?

[Lennie]

He did back off a little after what Stacey said but he felt guilty and worried when he heard Jane had to go back to hospital so he sort of relapsed a bit.

Doesn't Stacey get worried about him on Thursday because he sinks into depression or something?

I think that might be when she sees him sneaking from Pats house, as he wants to leave (after finding out about Jane) and she thinks he might be suicidal again

[Lizzie Brookes]

Today's episode.

Really good. Aaron acted superbly and Steven was brilliant. I don't think you can take out an injuction against anyone below 18 and this wasn't like before when he was ill. Steven said he wasn't following Ian. He didn't understand that's all. He may have followed Stacey's advice and backed off but when he heard Jane had to return to hospital he was genuinely concerned and afraid it was soething he did. I'm glad he found out the truth. He had a right to know. He understands everything now and when pat tried to defend him I'm glad he said Ian was right and offered to leave forever though of course I amglad things work out so that he can stay. I think he's becoming more decent now he's better. Can't blame Ian for being angry though - its understandable after what Steven put him and Jane through.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Poor Steven :(, i felt sorry for him when it finally dawned on him, what Jane has lost and is going through due to him, and he sounded so calm and sincere when he spoke after that even Pat and Ian were shocked, they thought he was going to go off on one, wont be able to handle it but he did

He really feels for Jane, now he understands, the anger and why they cant ever forgive him

I knew Steven wont be able to stand Pat bad-mouthing his mum, i liked how he burst in and shouted at Pat, and said 'dont talk about mum like that'
I got a feeling its gonna be the same with Jane, if someone is going to be hurtful or bad-mouthing to/about Jane, i dont think Steven will stand it, coz he cares about her, and it shows how much in these last two episodes

[Lizzie Brookes]

Todays episode

Poor Steven :(, i felt sorry for him when it finally dawned on him, what Jane has lost and is going through due to him, and he sounded so calm and sincere when he spoke after that even Pat and Ian were shocked, they thought he was going to go off on one, wont be able to handle it but he did

He really feels for Jane, now he understands, the anger and why they cant ever forgive him

I knew Steven wont be able to stand Pat bad-mouthing his mum, i liked how he burst in and shouted at Pat, and said 'dont talk about mum like that'
I got a feeling its gonna be the same with Jane, if someone is going to be hurtful or bad-mouthing to/about Jane, i dont think Steven will stand it, coz he cares about her, and it shows how much in these last two episodes

I agree Lennie. I too was sorry for Steven and I think he is genuine now he is well again. Though angry at Pat for saying that about Cindy - it wasn't the same deluded anger as before, it was more of a normal anger. Ian's hatred is understandable. Before he might have been angry but he did his duty and took Steven to the clinic and at that point his first priority was Jane but since what happened he became more angry at Steven and I am glad Steven knows this. He had a right to know. I wonder where he plans to go. As we know he never ends up leaving but he can't go back to New Zealand so I suppose he just planned to rent somewhere away from the square.

[Lennie]

I agree Lennie. I too was sorry for Steven and I think he is genuine now he is well again. Though angry at Pat for saying that about Cindy - it wasn't the same deluded anger as before, it was more of a normal anger. Ian's hatred is understandable. Before he might have been angry but he did his duty and took Steven to the clinic and at that point his first priority was Jane but since what happened he became more angry at Steven and I am glad Steven knows this. He had a right to know. I wonder where he plans to go. As we know he never ends up leaving but he can't go back to New Zealand so I suppose he just planned to rent somewhere away from the square.

I agree with that, it was a normal anger

Cant wait till Thursdays episode :)

[Lizzie Brookes]

Nor can I. I also agree with what Ermi said on the Appreciation Thread - Steven just wants to be part of a family again. He was unwell but is now better and can see things more clearly and in perspective. He truly regrets what he has done and understands the impact fully now. He is prepared to take responsibility for his actions. Thursday, Friday and then Christmas Eve when Ian/Steven build bridges and then more tense Steven/Jane scenes.

[Lizzie Brookes]

I'm predicting this is how Jane finds out Steven knows in tomorrow's episode, though I could be wrong:

Lucy: What did you say to Steven?
Ian: Calm down Lucy
Lucy: You must have said something dad or
he wouldn't have said he's leaving
Jane: He's leaving?
Lucy: Yes, for good. Said something about not being
able to live with what he's done. Fine work dad.

(goes)

Jane: You've told him haven't you?

This is not a fantasy script - just a guess.

[Lennie]

^ i can imagine that lol

You are good at it :cool:

[Kim]

^

Yeah I think Jane would definitely intercept the conversation like that, and there'd probably be screaming and possibly slamming doors on Lucy's part.

I don't like Stephen usually but when he found out the true extent of the damage which his actions had inflicted, I really felt for him.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Tonight's Episode

It was really good. Ian knew Steven wasn't putting on an act but I can't blame Jane for being distrustful. Steven actually wanted to stay well clear - that was obvious. He only put the presents there because Pat said it would be a waste otherwise. Jane caught on straight away that he knew - it wasn't exactly as I imagined though. I'm glad Stacey told Ian what Steven tried to do. Of course Stacey doesn't know about the stalking etc and Ian didn't know about the suicide attempt so both were comming from different directions when they said that about Steven being capable of anything. When Stax comes out Stacey will need a friend and I'm sure Steven would stand by her. I can't wait for tomorrow. Steven's become a bit more decent now he is better - all the stuff he did was part of his illness even though it was wrong.

[Lennie]

Todays episode

I felt so sorry for Steven - esp his chat with Stacey and her begging him not to go :(

Jane and Steven scenes are always high-charged which i enjoy, but Steven was so calm, its all to do with finally understanding everything and why Jane is so angry and hostile with him, and he knows he deserves it, and also like his genuine concern when he saw Jane in pain

I think part of Jane just cant get over she cant have kids which will take ages, but also she herself panics when she sees Steven and also she mentioned to Ian, that its all a act, i can understand that as when he first came she fell for his act, and doesnt want to this time around

I loved what Steven got Ian for Xmas - a father Xmas globe :cool:

One thing i didnt like his that he called Pat by her first name not Nana Pat

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Aww at Steven today :)

I was kinda surprised Steven didnt seem excited (like he usually does) when Ian came and stopped him and took his bag, i think Steven was defeated thats why he didnt register why Ian did what he did at the station and what he was trying to say at Pat's house, but finally when Ian said 'i want you to stay' - Steven's face lit up awww

Esp when he said 'i never meant to hurt Jane' and Ian replyed 'i know'

I loved what Ian said to him, all the things - if only Steven acted sane and just called Ian, Ian would have been the happiest man alive :cool:

I liked how Ian had a smile on his face while still looking at that snow globe

Cool pic of Steven and his bro/sis on the phone

I do feel sorry for Jane, cant wait to see her reaction

[Lizzie Brookes]

Hi Lennie.

Just got back from a week away for Christmas though of course I managed to watch EastEnders. Tiotally agree with what you say. I loved Fridays episode and Christmas Eve was good too though Ian should have asked Jane before inviting Steven. I am glad he told Jane how Steven tried to kill himself. Both mum and I agree that Jane was a bit harsh to time Steven with an alarm clock and throw him out when his hour was up though her frostiness is natural seeing that she can't have children and that was Steven's fault though he did not mean to. I agree with Ian that he would never harm anyone and i am glad he is standing by Stacey at the moment. She was a good friend to him nd now it is his turn to be a good friend to her. Its not right of Steven to put the entire blame on Max because though Max is mostly tio blame Stacey started this nonsense by trying it on with him for a bit of childish revenge on Bradley. Anyway back to Steven - read the sioap magazine - the headline is a bit exaggerated but spoilers sound good. I also read a bit of the appreciation thread. Looks good.

[Lennie]

Hi :)

Todays episode

Jane says Steven can move in

Yes, i think Jane is right that she will give it a go and see how it works etc

Its good to see Jane taking small steps towards Steven, when he said morning to her, she kinda gave a quick smile and then in Pat's house, he smiled at her and she acknowledged him

Jane made me laugh, when she said she could read Ian's mind like Beano lol

Typical Ian complaining about food coz he didnt make it :rolleyes:

[Siobhan]

I don't think this has anything to do with Jane taken small step.. I think she still doesn't like him. Her main and only reason was for Ian. She loves him that much to sacrvice her own feelings to make him happy... Do you think Steven would have done the same??? I don't.. He kept at Ian regardless of what people said about given him space.. he was only concerned with himself.. Jane is the bigger woman in all this and I hope for her sake she hasn't make a huge mistake letting him back into the house

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Jane has used her brain here, getting Steven to move in and then wanting to kick him out when Steven messes up again

Lets hope Steven surprises her, by being good and trustoworthy, but we all know he is abit ubstable and there's always that danger about him

Steven could tell that Jane still isnt ok with him - i liked the scene in the kitchen

Also it was good to see Steven chatting about Simon and his so-called women :rolleyes:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Tonight's episode.

It was really good. Im glad Steven is still standing by Stacey. I'm also glad Ian softened towards him. I think Ian's right- he is definitely better and I don't think he is putting on an act and he would never hurt Lucy or Pete in a million years and not Ian or Jane either - not intentionally. It is understandable that Jane is still scared of him and holds her distance because she is still naturally angry andupset but Steven is trying his best now. He did not know that Tanya is Jane's best friend so Jane would have a problem with Stacey being there. Understandable as her reluctance to relax around Steven is what she said to him in the kitchen was really cruel. She is only a barrier to the perfect family because she chooses to be.

If she became a little more accepting of Steven as Ian is now being there would be no barrier. It's no good being polite to Steven before the family and then being cruel t himwhen alone or acting like a hypocrite - that would just mean she creates unhappiness fopr herself and ostacrises herself from the family. She should accept that he had a mental breakdown, didn't mean to do what he did and the shooting was accidental. The past is the past. It is time to move forward. I am not expecting them to be bosom friends - that's impossible. Too much has happened between them but she didn't need to say all that to him in the kitchen. She could have admitted truthfully that she's still apprehensive of him and he would have understood that and then just left it at that.

Jane is obviously not ready to have Steven back so she shouldn't have offered. If she's going to stick the knife in and twist it then Steven is better off remaining in Pat's house. I can'yt help thinking that the lasst thing she said was so selfish "Sooner or later the mask will slip, they will throw you out and I'll have my family back". She has her family now. It was Jane who suggested Steven move back in not Ian so it is not as though nobody is considering her feelings. To be fair Steven kept away after Stacey tld him to forget family for a bit and try mates instead. He only approached Ian when he got worried about what he might have done to Jane. He didn't expect her to be there when he left the presents. He was going to leave Walford for good before Ian stopped him.

[Lizzie Brookes]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=723185

Interesting thread about Jane on Digital Spy. I can't blame her for her conduct towards Stacey. Tanya is her friend and Stacey was immature and stupid. I softened towards her until she selfishly ruined Sean's chance of happiness with Stacey after demanding he keep quiet about the affair so she could be happy with Bradley.

"The only tarts in my kitchen have jam on them" - classic, but I am glad Steven is there for her. She is going too far with Steven now. Even Ian said he would never hurt anyone intentionally, least of all Peter and Lucy.


I have no pity for her being shot. She decided to smack Steven and taunt him. Who does that to someone who is mentally ill and carrying a weapon?

I do sympathise with Jane for being shot and I understand that she was naturally angry at Steven because he comforted her while she was unhappy about Ian being missing when he knew all along where Ian was but that is a fair point. Nobody should barge in and put their husband and stepdaughter at risk and all of them jumping on the gun was a bit stupid as it could accidentally go off which is exactly what happened.




She barges into a room where her husband and stepdaughter are with a mentally unbalanced person (Steven). She sees that the situation is under control. She proceeds to

- hit Steven in the face

- taunt Steven

- if I remember correctly, tell him he should just kill himself, even as Ian and Lucy asked her to stop

Then, what a surprise, he pulls out a gun and again, what a surprise, Ian and Lucy try to stop him.

She acted like a fool and most of this is her fault.

Yes - good points there. I agree with that though I would argue she wasn't thinking straight but she should never have told him to kill himself.





I don't like what they're doing with Jane's character at the moment. They're making me dislike her, and I don't want to.

I thought she treated Stephen badly, and coldly, when he first turned up - before the accident and before she knew he had kidnapped Ian. I can't imagine telling a close relative that turns up on your doorstop that you're sorry but it's a bad time to come visiting - which is what she did.

As far as not being able to have babies of her own is concerned, when was she planning to do this anyway? Didn't we go through a story with her about a year ago when she wanted Ian to have his vasectomy reversed, then decided she didn't, she was happy to accept she would never have children of her own? Was she planning on leaving Ian in order to have babies? Or on telling him she'd changed her mind again?

It's not that I don't have sympathy with her for what she's been through, but I do remember that Stephen didn't actually shoot her on purpose - she was the one that triggered (excuse the word) that event. And in last night's episode she made it clear to Stephen that she let him stay with them, because she was expecting him to go off the rails again. So thinking he is sick, she is apparently prepared to risk the lives of herself and Ian - and more importantly the other children!

I never fully liked Jane as a charecter. I sympathise with her ordeal and she is a good friend to Tanya and I understand her anger at Steven but I never really liked her. I agree with the above comments. Like Ian said she's lucky to be alive and he does have 3 children and a stepson so its not like she misses having any children.

And yesterday - she could have admitted to being apprehensive and said that she would try to trust him. Actually that is what Tanya said to Max before he messed things up and in his case there is no excuse - she said she was trying to trust him but he made it hard for her - well if I were Jane I would have said that. I would not ask him to move in till I am ready and I would accept the shooting was accidental and that he had a mental breakdown.

I suppose I'm able to emphasise more with mentally ill people than Jane and I'm more trusting of people like Steven as Lucy and Pat are especially as he showed no tendencies to violence or aggression.

Even Ian says he is being genuine now.

Mmm wonder where Lennie is. He seems to have vanished. Lol.

[Lennie]

EastEnders - Look What You Did (Jane vs Steven) Music Video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMoZo_xyHJ0

[Lizzie Brookes]

Thanks Lennie

[Lennie]

Todays episode

Not much focus on Steven/Beales really

But Jane/Steven scenes good as usual, Jane is still unsure about him and he's trying - even being sort nervous around her esp when he asked shall i serve or cook, and Jane says cook and he says i think i prefer serving

I liked how he started to defend Jane - 'dont talk to her like that' when Sean wasnt being polite as usual lol :cool:

[Lizzie Brookes]

I don't think the Beales will be shown much this week as the Brannings are the main focus but I agree the scenes were good. I'm so glad Ian wants to make him a partner - it shows that Ian has confidence in him and believes in him but as we know Jane sabotages that.

[Lennie]

Havent been here for ages :)

Finally a Steven and Jane scene today :D

I loved the little banter between Steven and Jane :D

[Lizzie Brookes]

Yes that was a nice scene. She was preoccupied with Christuian and in front of Ian she can't be unkind to Steven yet I'm not really happy with her harbouring all this resentment. I can understand that she is naturally still angry with Steven because of everything he did and that it will take her a very long time to forgive him but by being hypocritical and harbouring resentment she will only be making herself unhappy. She has to accept that he did not mean to shoot her and move on even if she does not know the added complication of Lucy giving him the gun. I wonder by the way if thatwill ever be found out. There was supposed to be a Beales showdown in which that came out but it didn't happen.

[Pinkbanana]

Yes that was a nice scene. She was preoccupied with Christuian and in front of Ian she can't be unkind to Steven yet I'm not really happy with her harbouring all this resentment. I can understand that she is naturally still angry with Steven because of everything he did and that it will take her a very long time to forgive him but by being hypocritical and harbouring resentment she will only be making herself unhappy. She has to accept that he did not mean to shoot her and move on even if she does not know the added complication of Lucy giving him the gun. I wonder by the way if thatwill ever be found out. There was supposed to be a Beales showdown in which that came out but it didn't happen.

What do you expect her to do. She cannot have children because of Steven - thats a pretty major thing - one thats not easy, I suspect, to move on from.

Steven was responsible for the shooting as he has the gun in the first place - Lucy gave it too him to dispose of, which he didnt do. How quick you forget that Steven was playing some pretty sick games with the Beales only a few months back and put them through hell - Im not sure I could 'move on' like you suggest, if like Jane, all that had happened to me! :rolleyes:

[Lizzie Brookes]

Lennie, I found the clip of Steven and Ian in the car in the favourites of the person who posted Steven's return on You Tube. Here it is;

http://uk.youtube.com/user/CWebDesign

Why don't you notify Hera, Chrissiepops, Daniel Hatcher and the others on the Steven Beale Appreciation thread on Digital Spy? I PMed the chap and thanked him for putting up Steven's return and the pass at Jane and requested some others if he has them. I read through the old posts on the appreciation thread too - the Cindy stalker storyline was the best EastEnders ever had.