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On saturday Jordan my eldest accidently pushed a big heavy older style television onto shannons leg (20 months) He was retrieving something from behind it and nudged it and she was standing in front,it fell on her,resting on her foot,i ran over and lifted it off and picked her up whilst she was screaming in agony.
We went out to the hospital as she wasnt walking on it and in obvious distress,the doc had a feel of it and said he didnt think she'd broken it as she was still able to move it just not stand,we asked for a xray but he said no as he didnt think it was neccessary!! He advised to give her calpol and nurofen and hopefully she would be walking again by monday,if not bring her back.
So this morning still not walking and still in pain if she put any weight on it etc so i phone my gp surgery and explain who say they cant fit her in until this afternoon (this was this morning,hope im making sense) and then they wouldnt be able to x ray her until tomorrow anyway!! Please bear in mind she is still really only a baby/toddler.
They suggested taking her to a drop in clinic,we did,got down there and had to wait a hour to be seen to be told they cant xray her there as shes under two,hubby kicked up a fuss and they phoned my surgery to ask them to fax over a consent form from my doc saying its ok for her to have xray.
They did,went to xray reception,going through all details of shannons,address.doctor etc and they had the wrong gp down and they hadnt even signed it! This took another 30 mins to sort out.
Finally got to have the xray after shannon really created as in agony and shes broken her leg in two places,she will be in a cast for 4-5 weeks.
Fuming at the hosp that saw her on saturday,my poor angel was in agony over the weekend all because they couldnt be assed to turn there xray machine on because it was a saturday and getting late...i thought children were a priority??
oh god thats awful!!!! i thought children were a priority too!!!
can't blame you for being very angry i would be too!!
i would try to get in touch with a big wig at the hosp you went to on sat. hope she heals nice and fast
Dont even get me started about the pitiful state that the NHS is in. I would not be here today if I was reliant on the NHS. I am very fortunate to be in BUPA. At the start of the year I was diagnosed as probably having had a stroke by my GP (She is excellent). She contacted my local hospital who could not see me for four days even though they are alleged to have a specailist stroke unit. Anyway they saw me and told me that I would need a Cat Scan and a doppler scan (bit like an ultrasound). Silly me thought they would do it there and then, after all this is not a third world country and or NHS is the envy of the world (If you believe Tony Bliar). Oh no Mr 45 I was told we will send for you when a slot becomes available. Bear in mind that a Cat scan takes all of three minutes to perform. 4 weeks later I had the Cat scan. I asked the radiologist if she could tell me the results. ''If its anything serious the Consultant will be in touch with you.'' I went home completely Peed off. This was a Friday. I contacted a Consultant through Bupa and he saw me on the Monday morning. He arranged for me to have an MRI Scan and a doppler scan within the week. He told me that a CAT scan was next to useless so long after the event. The day following the MRI and the doppler I saw the consultant who indeed confirmed what my GP had said regarding the stroke. He was able there and then to tell me the effects and the way it would affect me in the future. He wanted another MRI scan done to see what had caused the stroke. This again was done within the week and I saw the consultant the following day. He told me that my Carotid artery was blocked an although he wasnt a surgeon he thought surgery was the only option but I needed to see a vascular surgeon. He told me that if he could not arrage for one within two days he would admit me to hospital as my condition was serious. I saw the vascular surgeon two days later. I was admitted to hospital the following week and had sugery to clear the blockage in my artery. This reduced my chances of having a stroke by 75%. Two days after leaving hospital I received a letter from my local NHS advising me that they had made me an appointment for a doppler scan. By the time i would have had this they would have probably decided an MRI scan would be needed. Another 6 month wait I would probably have been looking up at the daisies instead of down on them. During my follow up consultation the consultant told me I was a walking time bomb and could have had a further possibly fatal stroke at any time.
On saturday Jordan my eldest accidently pushed a big heavy older style television onto shannons leg (20 months) He was retrieving something from behind it and nudged it and she was standing in front,it fell on her,resting on her foot,i ran over and lifted it off and picked her up whilst she was screaming in agony.
We went out to the hospital as she wasnt walking on it and in obvious distress,the doc had a feel of it and said he didnt think she'd broken it as she was still able to move it just not stand,we asked for a xray but he said no as he didnt think it was neccessary!! He advised to give her calpol and nurofen and hopefully she would be walking again by monday,if not bring her back.
So this morning still not walking and still in pain if she put any weight on it etc so i phone my gp surgery and explain who say they cant fit her in until this afternoon (this was this morning,hope im making sense) and then they wouldnt be able to x ray her until tomorrow anyway!! Please bear in mind she is still really only a baby/toddler.
They suggested taking her to a drop in clinic,we did,got down there and had to wait a hour to be seen to be told they cant xray her there as shes under two,hubby kicked up a fuss and they phoned my surgery to ask them to fax over a consent form from my doc saying its ok for her to have xray.
They did,went to xray reception,going through all details of shannons,address.doctor etc and they had the wrong gp down and they hadnt even signed it! This took another 30 mins to sort out.
Finally got to have the xray after shannon really created as in agony and shes broken her leg in two places,she will be in a cast for 4-5 weeks.
Fuming at the hosp that saw her on saturday,my poor angel was in agony over the weekend all because they couldnt be assed to turn there xray machine on because it was a saturday and getting late...i thought children were a priority??
Absolutely Scandalous I trust you will be making a complaint to your local NHS 'Trust':rolleyes: Bad enough the misdaignosis in an adult but to leave a child suffer like this is unforgivable. Where did the so called Doctor do his training. He should be struck off
On saturday Jordan my eldest accidently pushed a big heavy older style television onto shannons leg (20 months) He was retrieving something from behind it and nudged it and she was standing in front,it fell on her,resting on her foot,i ran over and lifted it off and picked her up whilst she was screaming in agony.
We went out to the hospital as she wasnt walking on it and in obvious distress,the doc had a feel of it and said he didnt think she'd broken it as she was still able to move it just not stand,we asked for a xray but he said no as he didnt think it was neccessary!! He advised to give her calpol and nurofen and hopefully she would be walking again by monday,if not bring her back.
So this morning still not walking and still in pain if she put any weight on it etc so i phone my gp surgery and explain who say they cant fit her in until this afternoon (this was this morning,hope im making sense) and then they wouldnt be able to x ray her until tomorrow anyway!! Please bear in mind she is still really only a baby/toddler.
They suggested taking her to a drop in clinic,we did,got down there and had to wait a hour to be seen to be told they cant xray her there as shes under two,hubby kicked up a fuss and they phoned my surgery to ask them to fax over a consent form from my doc saying its ok for her to have xray.
They did,went to xray reception,going through all details of shannons,address.doctor etc and they had the wrong gp down and they hadnt even signed it! This took another 30 mins to sort out.
Finally got to have the xray after shannon really created as in agony and shes broken her leg in two places,she will be in a cast for 4-5 weeks.
Fuming at the hosp that saw her on saturday,my poor angel was in agony over the weekend all because they couldnt be assed to turn there xray machine on because it was a saturday and getting late...i thought children were a priority??
I would say it was an isolated incident, but having experienced something similar I can sympathise. I had an accident playing football, went to hospital and the triage was ready to send me home with 'it's just a sprain'. Fortunately one of my mates who went with me is a doctor and he was shocked that the triage hadn't asked me the most basic question that would indicate it was broken or a fracture - "do you feel a sharp pain?"
After seeing the triage for a second time I had an x-ray and found out I'd fractured it in two places.
Hope shannon is ok.
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The NHS have a trick to get waiting times down. Why don't we hear stuff like "I've been on the waiting list for 2 years" etc anymore? Before they pulled a fast one, you went on the waiting list more or less immediately. The trick they do now is book you an appointment 3 months before your op is due and put you one the waiting list at that point. Technically, the wait is just as long (your op could still be in 2 years time) but the NHS can now say their waiting lists are no more than three months. What a farce.
The NHS have a trick to get waiting times down. Why don't we hear stuff like "I've been on the waiting list for 2 years" etc anymore? Before they pulled a fast one, you went on the waiting list more or less immediately. The trick they do now is book you an appointment 3 months before your op is due and put you one the waiting list at that point. Technically, the wait is just as long (your op could still be in 2 years time) but the NHS can now say their waiting lists are no more than three months. What a farce.
Or else they hope you pop your clogs before hand. Excellent news, another one off the waiting list.
On saturday Jordan my eldest accidently pushed a big heavy older style television onto shannons leg (20 months) He was retrieving something from behind it and nudged it and she was standing in front,it fell on her,resting on her foot,i ran over and lifted it off and picked her up whilst she was screaming in agony.
We went out to the hospital as she wasnt walking on it and in obvious distress,the doc had a feel of it and said he didnt think she'd broken it as she was still able to move it just not stand,we asked for a xray but he said no as he didnt think it was neccessary!! He advised to give her calpol and nurofen and hopefully she would be walking again by monday,if not bring her back.
So this morning still not walking and still in pain if she put any weight on it etc so i phone my gp surgery and explain who say they cant fit her in until this afternoon (this was this morning,hope im making sense) and then they wouldnt be able to x ray her until tomorrow anyway!! Please bear in mind she is still really only a baby/toddler.
They suggested taking her to a drop in clinic,we did,got down there and had to wait a hour to be seen to be told they cant xray her there as shes under two,hubby kicked up a fuss and they phoned my surgery to ask them to fax over a consent form from my doc saying its ok for her to have xray.
They did,went to xray reception,going through all details of shannons,address.doctor etc and they had the wrong gp down and they hadnt even signed it! This took another 30 mins to sort out.
Finally got to have the xray after shannon really created as in agony and shes broken her leg in two places,she will be in a cast for 4-5 weeks.
Fuming at the hosp that saw her on saturday,my poor angel was in agony over the weekend all because they couldnt be assed to turn there xray machine on because it was a saturday and getting late...i thought children were a priority??
What a horrific story.
I hope that you daughter is ok now, and that you complain to the hospital about the treatment you received.
Absolutely shocking treatment.
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The NHS have a trick to get waiting times down. Why don't we hear stuff like "I've been on the waiting list for 2 years" etc anymore? Before they pulled a fast one, you went on the waiting list more or less immediately. The trick they do now is book you an appointment 3 months before your op is due and put you one the waiting list at that point. Technically, the wait is just as long (your op could still be in 2 years time) but the NHS can now say their waiting lists are no more than three months. What a farce.
I see a neurologist at the only hospital with a neurology department in the area and they have a waiting list for the waiting list!
I saw a paediatrician nearly 2 years ago who discharged me after 7 months (supposed to see a paed for at least 2 years before discharge) and referred me back to my GP for him to refer me to a neurologist at a different hospital. Nobody bothered to read the letter to my GP at the practice, they just stamped it and filed it. It was only when I started having more neuro problems late last year that my GP discovered I should have been referred to a neurologist as an urgent case at least 6 months before. I was waiting 6 weeks for an appointment and the neuro couldn't have been better, he spent half an hour going over things and he was shocked that I hadn't also been referred to a cardiologist by the paeditrician :rolleyes: The paed had rung the paediatric cardiology unit at Leeds and they said my heart was fine and no further investigations were needed. They didn't even see the ECGs!
So I've been waiting for a cardiology appointment since Feb and I was down as an urgent case. Finally got a letter today to say I have an appointment at the end of July.
To be fair, the paediatrician was pretty good, he got me an EEG appointment within 3 weeks and I was seen in clinic and started on medication a few weeks after that. It took another 8 months to get an MRI appointment (another "urgent" test). After he'd done all that he wasn't really bothered as long as I got off his list and he met his targets.
I'm still having problems now and I've got a list as long as my arm of diagnosis' the neurologist has given me. All of this could have been avoided if somebody had read a letter properly :mad:
It makes me so mad that the big NHS chiefs are stealing money from the hospitals and local services. There is simply no need for the ridiculous wage packets that they get.
I hope Shannon is ok and you follow this up with your PCT.
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Funny when you can pay for an MRI scan (£400) it can be done within a week.
Its not right that we all (or our parents) pay into the system which when we need it is next to useless. I am fortunate to have BUPA membership because it has undoubtedly saved my life and my wifes.
Drive past any NHS hospitals and look at the executives car park. Count the Mercs and BMWs. These are only administrators, glorified bean counters.:angry:
di marco
03-07-2007, 21:11
thats awful chance! hope shannons feeling better now
i agree with what everyone else has been saying. about 2 and a half years ago i went into the hospital after i injured my knee. they told me to come back a few days later if it wasnt better, all they did was poke it a bit. when i went back they took an xray but cos they couldnt tell what was wrong with it, they said id need a MRI scan. luckily i had quite a nice doctor at the hospital cos he admitted me cos then i would only wait about a week for the scan otherwise it would be 3 - 6 months! what was i meant to do for that length of time when i couldnt walk! so anyway i got my scan done in about 4 days which was quite good cos theyd had a cancellation. anyway they decided that i needed an operation. i was starved for 5 days in a row as each day they said they were going to do my operation and each time they cancelled, i wasnt even allowed to drink water and it was so hot in there! and another thing was that i was in there for about 2 and a half weeks yet i only saw a doctor twice as i wasnt on the ward i should have been on cos there wasnt room and the doctor couldnt be bothered to walk up to the ward i was on to see me. when i left hospital i was told i should start physio (sp?) straight away but the first available space wasnt until 6 weeks time! luckily my dad could get this private health care thing with his work so i got my physio done privately instead and had almost finished my course of physio before id have even started it at the nhs hospital
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03-07-2007, 22:39
Oh no, I really do hope Shannon gets better soon and heals well chance xxx
Just read a headline on the BBC.. 'Terror suspects all linked to NHS' :rolleyes:
Click here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6265500.stm) if you want to read it.
Oh no, I really do hope Shannon gets better soon and heals well chance xxx
Just read a headline on the BBC.. 'Terror suspects all linked to NHS' :rolleyes:
Click here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6265500.stm) if you want to read it.
I wonder if that's the Govts strategy: blame the state of the nhs on terrorists
senorita
03-07-2007, 23:20
I work for the NHS, its not an easy workplace. Us nurses can only do are best with the resources we have available to us. We have to provided tea and coffee etc and also paper and envelopes - bit of a joke really.
Was sorry to hear of Shannons broken foot - her treatment was disgusting - poor lamb to be in pain all that time. Please dont think the whole NHS is bad - some of us have morals, and trust us we do get disheartened.
I work for the NHS, its not an easy workplace. Us nurses can only do are best with the resources we have available to us. We have to provided tea and coffee etc and also paper and envelopes - bit of a joke really.
Was sorry to hear of Shannons broken foot - her treatment was disgusting - poor lamb to be in pain all that time. Please dont think the whole NHS is bad - some of us have morals, and trust us we do get disheartened.No-one blames the nurses or the doctors. Its the system thats ****. Nurses do a thankless job for buttons. I have the height of respect for nurses.
I work for the NHS, its not an easy workplace. Us nurses can only do are best with the resources we have available to us. We have to provided tea and coffee etc and also paper and envelopes - bit of a joke really.
Was sorry to hear of Shannons broken foot - her treatment was disgusting - poor lamb to be in pain all that time. Please dont think the whole NHS is bad - some of us have morals, and trust us we do get disheartened.
I don't think anyone blames the nurses, doctors or consultants. Its a problem at Govt level with too many cooks spoiling the broth. Watch how PFIs destroy the NHS.
senorita
03-07-2007, 23:51
PFI's are the bane of our working lives! Soon you will see hospital beds and equipment being sponsered by McDonalds, WHSmith or something. At our PCT they employed a financial bod to see where they could make cut backs - his salary - 6 figures!
I was amazed when I was in hospital some of the food I was set up with. Exactly the same stuff my Dr. had told me to cut down on and every meal came with 3 or 4 packets of salt. They used full fat butter instead of low calorie high in polyunsaturated spreads.
Pinkbanana
04-07-2007, 00:49
I was amazed when I was in hospital some of the food I was set up with. Exactly the same stuff my Dr. had told me to cut down on and every meal came with 3 or 4 packets of salt. They used full fat butter instead of low calorie high in polyunsaturated spreads.
I thought that bloke from Through The Key Hole/old Master Chef was meant to be sorting out NHS hospital food? Erm...lloyd somebody (I love his pasta sauces btw).:)
I was amazed when I was in hospital some of the food I was set up with. Exactly the same stuff my Dr. had told me to cut down on and every meal came with 3 or 4 packets of salt. They used full fat butter instead of low calorie high in polyunsaturated spreads.
My mum was in hospital last week (excellent care and service) and all they had on the menu was tuna - every single day. The kitchen staff said that they had nothing else to give them. I wouldn't mind but the hospital only has 2 wards so its not exactly hard or expensive to go out and buy something other than tuna.
The NHS keep going on about obesity in kids but the food on the children's ward is appalling. Full fat milk (for the teenagers as well), stodgy puddings with custard that you could wallpaper with and very few vegetables.
Aren't the government on about setting the NHS up as a separate entity from them like they did with the CSA? I doubt that would make much difference to the way its run now. The Big Wigs will still earn bucket loads for doing naff all and the nurses will still be treated they way they are now. Look at the shambles the CSA is in now.
I must be in the minority here, but all of the care I've ever had, through the NHS has been second to none. Thats for both myself personally, for my children (especially when Ciaran had meningitis), and for other family members.
Its like same old in a sense - you never get to hear about the good times, just the bad.
Stick a plate of veg in front of a child or a lot of teenagers and will they eat them?? In a strange, worrying environment like hospital - I doubt it.
Everything I hear about these days is all blooming depressing with everyone seeing the bad in everything.
Its disgusting the way Shannon was treated, and a complaint should be made about it, but no one seems to ever see the good in anything any more. :(
http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=521343#post521343
For you Ems.
Lets see if we get any response!
samantha nixon
04-07-2007, 20:53
I was amazed when I was in hospital some of the food I was set up with. Exactly the same stuff my Dr. had told me to cut down on and every meal came with 3 or 4 packets of salt. They used full fat butter instead of low calorie high in polyunsaturated spreads.
The same happened when my grandad had a heat attack, you get told not to eat cheese, what do they give a cheese sandwich :rolleyes:
I must be in the minority here, but all of the care I've ever had, through the NHS has been second to none. Thats for both myself personally, for my children (especially when Ciaran had meningitis), and for other family members.
The same here, the times i have been in their for walk in things, (cracked head and stuff like that, im accident prone) they have been great and im seen quickly, and last year when my grandad had his heart attack his care was great and they really looked after him.
But then again last end of october my other grandad went in for a hip replacement and they didnt have the right pieces to do it so left it half finished and then he had to stay in and have it done at a later date so that wasnt good from them, but then he had a reaction to the anasethic and his heart rate dropped badly and they think he had another heart attack, and they looked after him great and then when his osophogus tube thing split he was bad and they didnt think he was gonna survuve but again the care was great and luckily he was ok.
so i agree ems people are quick to criticise them but they do a fantastic job and people should recognise the good things they do not just the bad.
so i agree ems people are quick to criticise them but they do a fantastic job and people should recognise the good things they do not just the bad.
Obviously there are great folk in the NHS but as a Funeral Director I can honestly say thet our local hospital kept us very busy. In fact I reported several cases direct to the Coroner myself because of Malpractise.
I have sent off very strongly worded letter today,i'll let you know the response,if i ever do get a reply that is...
I have sent off very strongly worded letter today,i'll let you know the response,if i ever do get a reply that is...Well if you dont then let me know I can help with litigation
CrazyLea
05-07-2007, 02:19
Our local hospital is on the verge of closing down.. which means if there are any proper emergencies or anything, then the nearest proper one would be 2 hours away. Which I think is ridiculous. But the local one is doing everything they can to stop it being shut down, protests, events etc, to keep the money to keep it open. There is another hospital like 10 mins from me, but it's only for minor stuff.
Our local hospital is on the verge of closing down.. which means if there are any proper emergencies or anything, then the nearest proper one would be 2 hours away. Which I think is ridiculous. But the local one is doing everything they can to stop it being shut down, protests, events etc, to keep the money to keep it open. There is another hospital like 10 mins from me, but it's only for minor stuff.
That's to do with the Labour mentality of 'centralisation of services'. They think having one resource centre is more efficient than many. Of course, this means that local services suffer, job migration occurs and the local community that depended on those services is left out on a limb.
Even when the move is small - e.g. from Huddersfield to Halifax (about 5 miles) an emergency would have real trouble getting to the hospital at Halifax because the road infrastructure can't support it. A single dual carriage way links both towns and at rush hour traffic it would be impossible for an ambulance to get through.
Huddersfield is one of the biggest towns in Europe. Why then move services to a smaller town with crap access? The cynic in me says there were a lot of back handers going on.
Edit: http://www.savehuddersfieldnhs.co.uk/
Our local hospital is on the verge of closing down.. which means if there are any proper emergencies or anything, then the nearest proper one would be 2 hours away. Which I think is ridiculous. But the local one is doing everything they can to stop it being shut down, protests, events etc, to keep the money to keep it open. There is another hospital like 10 mins from me, but it's only for minor stuff.
They're trying to do that to my local hospital. Its only small but it serves the needs of the town perfectly without everyone having to traipse to the major hospital (30miles away) in our PCT (which is in a different county). The only reason it's likely to close is because the other hospital is taking all the money. Yes, we're a small town but our hospital serves dozens of villages around the area. The chances of somebody seriously ill surviving an ambulance journey to another hospital from those villages isn't good.
If they close we'll have no path lab, no X-ray facilities, no physio and no emergency treatment.
Our local hospital is on the verge of closing down.. which means if there are any proper emergencies or anything, then the nearest proper one would be 2 hours away. Which I think is ridiculous. But the local one is doing everything they can to stop it being shut down, protests, events etc, to keep the money to keep it open. There is another hospital like 10 mins from me, but it's only for minor stuff.
They're trying to do that to my local hospital. Its only small but it serves the needs of the town perfectly without everyone having to traipse to the major hospital (30miles away) in our PCT (which is in a different county). The only reason it's likely to close is because the other hospital is taking all the money. Yes, we're a small town but our hospital serves dozens of villages around the area. The chances of somebody seriously ill surviving an ambulance journey to another hospital from those villages isn't good.
If they close we'll have no path lab, no X-ray facilities, no physio and no emergency treatment.
The NHS is one of the best and worse things in this country. Pharmaceuticals and external consultancies rape the NHS with their costs and then to top it off the Govt interferes and we get a tonne of bureaucracy and mismanagement.
Have centralised services doesn't make sense. I know there are to be more local clinics, but what's the point when your on your deathbed and the only hospital that can save you is 30 miles away? Add in the fact we pay high levels of tax already for the NHS, the Govt is really taking the piss by not providing an adequate service for which we pay.
The NHS has been ruined by New Labour. Far too much of the money is wasted on overpaid penpushers. Companies supplying the NHS charge more because they wait so long on being paid and because its coming from the government they can add on a few quid.. I know for a fact if say you wanted to buy a syringe driver personally you can get it at least 100-200 quid cheaper than the company will charge the NHS for. If you say its being bought as a result of a charitable collection then you dont even have to pay VAT on it.
The situation is laughable if it were not so serious.
I wish I could opt out of the NHS and use the money towards my BUPA contributions.
Its getting to the stage where Private Medical Care will become the only way forward if you want to live
In a lot of ways the NHS is on a hiding to nothing.
No matter how much money is invested, there will always be people who are let down sometimes.
No matter how much money is invested, there will always be a new experimental (expensive) option that is not proven yet still expected by the public.
Bupa is great for routine tests, seeing consultants quickly and minor surgery, but if you are really seriously ill and need long term intensive care the NHS is really your best option.
Bupa is great for routine tests, seeing consultants quickly and minor surgery, but if you are really seriously ill and need long term intensive care the NHS is really your best option.
Have to disagree with you on that point. My wife was with a so called consultant under the NHS who told her there was nothing wrong with her even though she had previously had cancer. He told her he would see her in a years time. My wife knew there was something wrong with her. Thanks to BUPA she saw another consultant within three days, was admitted to hospital and had a tumour removed. This was certainly not minor surgery.
The NHS has let me down and my wife. Neither of us would be alive today if we had relied solely on the NHS. I do not mean to offend the thousands of excellent Drs and Nurses who do a stressful job under extreme pressure. I have nothin but respect for them.
I blame the antiquated system that has been in terminal decline over the last number of years. Go to most Western European countries and if you need something simple such as a blood test its done there and then and you get the results immeadiatly. Nowadays in Britain you are lucky if the reults are back within a week.
It's easy to identify the problems.
Why then, is it hard to implement the solutions?
It's easy to identify the problems.
Why then, is it hard to implement the solutions?
I suppose that the jugganaut analogy is appropriate....
Did you see the programme where a management expert went into an NHS hospital and tried to change things? He achieved nothing. Loads of good ideas were put forward by people on the 'shop floor', but they were never implemented.
Alan - I hope that your wife (and Shannon above) were isolated case - but even if they were that doesn't make it right. I understand your antipathy to the NHS a bit more now.
It's easy to identify the problems.
Why then, is it hard to implement the solutions?
Maybe because a lot of the money is creamed off at the top for the Big Wigs and not enough gets down to the grass roots to aid improvements.
I'm probably going to get slated for this but I think doctors are paid too much. I know they do a great job under a heck of a lot of pressure and work long hours but £100k+ a year is a bit too much. Plus GPs don't work weekends or have to do call-out duty. Maybe if some of that money is redirected to fund health care services we might be getting somewhere towards improvements.
Also, foreign nationals. Why should they get health care treatment, putting a strain on our resources, for free? They should be made to pay for treatment, or at least contribute something towards it. If we go abroad we pay for insurance or stump up for the whole lot if we fall ill on holiday, why should they get a free ticket?
It's easy to identify the problems.
Why then, is it hard to implement the solutions?Too many fat cats would be out of a job. Too many private companies would lose lucrative contracts and the local BMW, Jaguar and Mercedes dealers would have to close.
It's easy to identify the problems.
Why then, is it hard to implement the solutions?
Maybe because a lot of the money is creamed off at the top for the Big Wigs and not enough gets down to the grass roots to aid improvements. I agree. The penpushing bean counters of adminisrators who plan and implement so called cost effective policies are far too well paid
I'm probably going to get slated for this but I think doctors are paid too much. I know they do a great job under a heck of a lot of pressure and work long hours but £100k+ a year is a bit too much. I disagree A doctor has to make life or death decisions day and daily. They study very hard for years and are continuing to study throughout their careers to keep abreast of advances in modern medicine.Plus GPs don't work weekends or have to do call-out duty. Some doMaybe if some of that money is redirected to fund health care services we might be getting somewhere towards improvements.That would be a drop in the ocean compared with admin costs and the rip off prices Drugs companies charge
Also, foreign nationals. Why should they get health care treatment, putting a strain on our resources, for free? They should be made to pay for treatment, or at least contribute something towards it. If we go abroad we pay for insurance or stump up for the whole lot if we fall ill on holiday, why should they get a free ticket?I agree 100% with you there. They should be covered by medical insurance as part of the entry requirements to the UK
pookie1968uk
05-07-2007, 15:32
the thing is most of us have to rely on the NHS because we cant afford to go private, then it becomes a 2 tier system. no offence intended alan but i would have to use the NHS if i was ill as i couldnt afford any private options.
the thing is most of us have to rely on the NHS because we cant afford to go private, then it becomes a 2 tier system. no offence intended alan but i would have to use the NHS if i was ill as i couldnt afford any private options.
Yup, that's the problem. If something isn't done to the NHS soon I fear we will be in a two tier system with the NHS woefully underfunded
samantha nixon
05-07-2007, 16:54
My mum works in theatres and they have to take their own pens and stuff as they dont like supplying it, they even have to fight for paper to print out the theatre documents.
I dont think that they are paid to much though, as like alan said they have to make life saving desicions every day and train for years and will train for the rest of their carreer, if you compare footballers with doctors they get paid so much more and what to they do kick a ball round the pitch
DaVeyWaVey
05-07-2007, 17:16
My mum works in theatres and they have to take their own pens and stuff as they dont like supplying it, they even have to fight for paper to print out the theatre documents.
I dont think that they are paid to much though, as like alan said they have to make life saving desicions every day and train for years and will train for the rest of their carreer, if you compare footballers with doctors they get paid so much more and what to they do kick a ball round the pitch
I know. I personally feel that it's disgusting footballers get paid loads - they don't do anything worthwhile, just kick a ball about. Doctors do a much more worthwhile job - saving lives!
the thing is most of us have to rely on the NHS because we cant afford to go private, then it becomes a 2 tier system. no offence intended alan but i would have to use the NHS if i was ill as i couldnt afford any private options.
Sorry I didnt mean to sound superior or offend anyone because of being in BUPA. I only joined because the last place I worked got a group rate which made it affordable. It costs us about £2 a day and in my opinion is money well spent. I wonder how much of our weekly wage the taxman takes towards the NHS.
I do agree its unfair that the NHS is failing so many folk nowadays but as I thimk we all agree its the fault of the government and management. We should not have to put up with a two tier system but the sad fact of life is that one exists.
I have a friend who is a GP and he advises all of his patients if they can afford it to go private rather than wait for the NHS to send for them.
Its a very sad reflection on this country in the 21st century
My mum works in theatres and they have to take their own pens and stuff as they dont like supplying it, they even have to fight for paper to print out the theatre documents.
I dont think that they are paid to much though, as like alan said they have to make life saving desicions every day and train for years and will train for the rest of their carreer, if you compare footballers with doctors they get paid so much more and what to they do kick a ball round the pitch
I know. I personally feel that it's disgusting footballers get paid loads - they don't do anything worthwhile, just kick a ball about. Doctors do a much more worthwhile job - saving lives!
Not just footballers but actors and so called popstars. The amount of money they earn is obscene. Think of all the operations that Mr and Mrs Beckhams wardrobes could fund. She probably spent more on a pair of shoes than my last operation cost me
All the stories people have told in this are disgusting. The NHS is the biggest failure of this country by far.
My story of the NHS is no better. My Dad went to the hospital with Chest Pains. They fobbed him off with some excuse for it. A few months later, he died of a heart attack. His arteries blocked, because of years of smoking (Though he had given up 5 years earlier, the damage had been done). There is a procedure that he could have had which would have unblocked his arteries, and would have prevented a heart attack. I was 11 when he died. Me and my family have had to live with the fact that he died, because the NHS didn't see what was wrong with him, untill his post-mortem. It is bad enough for anyone to lose a parent, but losing them when you are just a child, because of other peoples incompetance... i cant and frankly dont want to describe that.
I plan on going private as soon as i am earning. I dont trust any doctors because of what happened to my Dad.
If I didn't trust the doctors working in our NHS hospital - I'd be well and truly stuffed as the majority of them sideline in the private hospital over the road. Many of them have long waiting lists on the NHS, but have many openings (sometimes within a month) privately - to me - that says money talks.
I had to have 2 laparoscopys performed, the first one, I had done privately (NHS would have been a 6 month waiting list minimum, yet privately, I had it performed within 3 weeks), under the same consultant.
If there are monetary failings, then we need to start looking at a different system of funding. But, when you have the same doctors working at the hospitals, then you cannot blame the individual.
Like I previously said, I cannot criticise our hospitals here - they have been second to none and are one of the only things left that I feel proud about.
Xx-Vicky-xX
05-07-2007, 23:20
My story of the NHS is no better. My Dad went to the hospital with Chest Pains. They fobbed him off with some excuse for it. A few months later, he died of a heart attack. His arteries blocked, because of years of smoking (Though he had given up 5 years earlier, the damage had been done). There is a procedure that he could have had which would have unblocked his arteries, and would have prevented a heart attack. I was 11 when he died. Me and my family have had to live with the fact that he died, because the NHS didn't see what was wrong with him, untill his post-mortem. It is bad enough for anyone to lose a parent, but losing them when you are just a child, because of other peoples incompetance... i cant and frankly dont want to describe that.
This happened to our family (sort of) it was my nan not my dad though and i dont know exactly what the story was but i remember her coming round one night saying she had been to the hospital and that it wasnt anything to worry about just indejestion (or so they had told her) the morning after we had a call to say she was dead (heart attack) i was four and i dont know any more than that and never will as its not something i like discussing very much and certainly wouldnt be able to sit there and listen to my mum telling me the ins and outs of it i am happy knowing what i know (actually im not i would rather not know any of it), i guess though because i dont know everything that i dont really think bad of hospitals and the NHS maybe if i did know then i might change my opinion but other than that really any time anyone in my family has been to the hospital its all been ok so i sort of think along both sides of it.
Took her back today for a change in plaster and the doc there couldnt believe they had only put plaster on up to her knee,he said for her age and the type of break she would need it to be up to her thigh in order for it to heal quicker etc,and extra support.Another bulls up on there part.
All the stories people have told in this are disgusting. The NHS is the biggest failure of this country by far.
My story of the NHS is no better. My Dad went to the hospital with Chest Pains. They fobbed him off with some excuse for it. A few months later, he died of a heart attack. His arteries blocked, because of years of smoking (Though he had given up 5 years earlier, the damage had been done). There is a procedure that he could have had which would have unblocked his arteries, and would have prevented a heart attack. I was 11 when he died. Me and my family have had to live with the fact that he died, because the NHS didn't see what was wrong with him, untill his post-mortem. It is bad enough for anyone to lose a parent, but losing them when you are just a child, because of other peoples incompetance... i cant and frankly dont want to describe that.
I plan on going private as soon as i am earning. I dont trust any doctors because of what happened to my Dad.
abi exact same thing happened to my dad, hadnt been to a doctors in 15 years woke up one morning and had shooting pains down his left arm. He went straight to the docs as her was worried it was a heart attack as his father and his mother had both died of this. Doc told him he had probably pulled a muscle,even after he explained about the family history, and sent him on his way. An hour and a half later he died. I'll never forgive that doctor for that.
[quote=Luna;
abi exact same thing happened to my dad, hadnt been to a doctors in 15 years woke up one morning and had shooting pains down his left arm. He went straight to the docs as her was worried it was a heart attack as his father and his mother had both died of this. Doc told him he had probably pulled a muscle,even after he explained about the family history, and sent him on his way. An hour and a half later he died. I'll never forgive that doctor for that.[/quote]
OMG Luna - what a story. It just goes to show that people themselves know when there is something wrong and that we shouldn't be fobbed off by doctors - they are human too (and overworked ,tired etc).
If you know that there is something wrong you need to insist on a second opinion right there and then.
God help the old folk and people who cannot stand up for themselves.
di marco
07-07-2007, 19:17
I work for the NHS, its not an easy workplace. Us nurses can only do are best with the resources we have available to us. We have to provided tea and coffee etc and also paper and envelopes - bit of a joke really.
If I didn't trust the doctors working in our NHS hospital - I'd be well and truly stuffed as the majority of them sideline in the private hospital over the road. Many of them have long waiting lists on the NHS, but have many openings (sometimes within a month) privately - to me - that says money talks.
i agree that the nurses in hospitals do a good job, when i was there the nurses on my ward were brilliant. however, and before anyone has a go at me for this, the doctor wasnt. im not saying that all doctors are bad and i know that they save peoples lives etc but it links to what ems said. the doctor who was dealing with me also worked at the private hospital and it seemed that he was more interested in how much money he could make than coming to see me. now im not saying all doctors are like this but if the ones that are concentrated more on the people in nhs hospitals rather than trying to get more money then more peoples lives would be saved. i hope this has come across ok, reading it back im not sure it does, but i want to stress that im not slating doctors as a whole just the ones that ive been in contact with
On saturday Jordan my eldest accidently pushed a big heavy older style television onto shannons leg (20 months) He was retrieving something from behind it and nudged it and she was standing in front,it fell on her,resting on her foot,i ran over and lifted it off and picked her up whilst she was screaming in agony.
We went out to the hospital as she wasnt walking on it and in obvious distress,the doc had a feel of it and said he didnt think she'd broken it as she was still able to move it just not stand,we asked for a xray but he said no as he didnt think it was neccessary!! He advised to give her calpol and nurofen and hopefully she would be walking again by monday,if not bring her back.
So this morning still not walking and still in pain if she put any weight on it etc so i phone my gp surgery and explain who say they cant fit her in until this afternoon (this was this morning,hope im making sense) and then they wouldnt be able to x ray her until tomorrow anyway!! Please bear in mind she is still really only a baby/toddler.
They suggested taking her to a drop in clinic,we did,got down there and had to wait a hour to be seen to be told they cant xray her there as shes under two,hubby kicked up a fuss and they phoned my surgery to ask them to fax over a consent form from my doc saying its ok for her to have xray.
They did,went to xray reception,going through all details of shannons,address.doctor etc and they had the wrong gp down and they hadnt even signed it! This took another 30 mins to sort out.
Finally got to have the xray after shannon really created as in agony and shes broken her leg in two places,she will be in a cast for 4-5 weeks.
Fuming at the hosp that saw her on saturday,my poor angel was in agony over the weekend all because they couldnt be assed to turn there xray machine on because it was a saturday and getting late...i thought children were a priority??
That awful, hope she gets better soon.
If I didn't trust the doctors working in our NHS hospital - I'd be well and truly stuffed as the majority of them sideline in the private hospital over the road. Many of them have long waiting lists on the NHS, but have many openings (sometimes within a month) privately - to me - that says money talks.
I had to have 2 laparoscopys performed, the first one, I had done privately (NHS would have been a 6 month waiting list minimum, yet privately, I had it performed within 3 weeks), under the same consultant.
If there are monetary failings, then we need to start looking at a different system of funding. But, when you have the same doctors working at the hospitals, then you cannot blame the individual.
Like I previously said, I cannot criticise our hospitals here - they have been second to none and are one of the only things left that I feel proud about.
Absolutely. I sometimes wonder if doctors have more private slots than NHS because they get paid more.
I think the only decent thing about the NHS in our area is my GP. If I ring up in the morning I can get an appointment for the same day at my local surgery or another one he practices at. He generally runs late but that's because he takes time to listen to his patients and not just fob them off with a prescription like many other doctors do.
Not just footballers but actors and so called popstars. The amount of money they earn is obscene. Think of all the operations that Mr and Mrs Beckham's wardrobes could fund. She probably spent more on a pair of shoes than my last operation cost me
A lot of these people have more money than they will ever spend. Why do we never see them donate money to charity or another worthy cause? All these famous people could collectively solve the problems in 3rd world countries.
samantha nixon
07-07-2007, 21:26
actually JB victoria and David beckham, always donate money to charity and they have donated quite a bit, especially to one little girls charity but i cant think of her name but she has to have oxygen and stuff and the doctors predicted shed be dead by now but she is raising money for charity shes only about 10 or 11 and david especially has been involed with that quite a bit
actually JB victoria and David beckham, always donate money to charity and they have donated quite a bit, especially to one little girls charity but i cant think of her name but she has to have oxygen and stuff and the doctors predicted shed be dead by now but she is raising money for charity shes only about 10 or 11 and david especially has been involed with that quite a bit
I take it back then. I just presumed that because we never see them do anything much apart from shopping (in Victoria's case) that they don't give anything to charities.
Absolutely. I sometimes wonder if doctors have more private slots than NHS because they get paid more.
I think the only decent thing about the NHS in our area is my GP. If I ring up in the morning I can get an appointment for the same day at my local surgery or another one he practices at. He generally runs late but that's because he takes time to listen to his patients and not just fob them off with a prescription like many other doctors do.
:)
I phone my GP's in the morning and they are apologetic if they can't fit me in that day for a routine appointment.
They are generally always running late aswell, but they like to sit down and listen to you, and even say, whilst you are here, do you have any other concerns or worries. It makes such a refreshing change when they are like that.
Xx-Vicky-xX
07-07-2007, 21:36
actually JB victoria and David beckham, always donate money to charity and they have donated quite a bit, especially to one little girls charity but i cant think of her name but she has to have oxygen and stuff and the doctors predicted shed be dead by now but she is raising money for charity shes only about 10 or 11 and david especially has been involed with that quite a bit
Do you mean that little girl called Hayley - i cant think of her lastname but i know David has alot to do with her
samantha nixon
07-07-2007, 21:41
My old GP was absolute rubbish, he moaned at people for asking questions and he made my nan cry cos she asked him a question and he was shouting at her saying she was to reliant, and he prescribed her stuff over the phone. He also wouldnt see my mum when she had a rash, as he was worried it was chickenpoxs and wouldnt even let her go in a back door (as mum thought it could be case it spread that he didnt want her their), and the health people at the hosptial she works at sent her home and said the gp should have really seen her as she shouldnt be in work.
I havent actually met my new gp yet, but they give you apppointments really quickly (mum has had to have them), and my nan is a lot happier with her gp now and she feels a lot more comftorbe as she isnt made to feel a nuisanace
samantha nixon
07-07-2007, 21:42
actually JB victoria and David beckham, always donate money to charity and they have donated quite a bit, especially to one little girls charity but i cant think of her name but she has to have oxygen and stuff and the doctors predicted shed be dead by now but she is raising money for charity shes only about 10 or 11 and david especially has been involed with that quite a bit
Do you mean that little girl called Hayley - i cant think of her lastname but i know David has alot to do with her
I dont know what her name is, I just remebr readsing about the stuff in the papaer
actually JB victoria and David beckham, always donate money to charity and they have donated quite a bit, especially to one little girls charity but i cant think of her name but she has to have oxygen and stuff and the doctors predicted shed be dead by now but she is raising money for charity shes only about 10 or 11 and david especially has been involed with that quite a bit
Well I hope she and the other spice tarts give their reputed 10 million quid for their reunion to something worthwhile instead of her spending it on more clothes or plastic surgery
di marco
08-07-2007, 20:18
actually JB victoria and David beckham, always donate money to charity and they have donated quite a bit, especially to one little girls charity but i cant think of her name but she has to have oxygen and stuff and the doctors predicted shed be dead by now but she is raising money for charity shes only about 10 or 11 and david especially has been involed with that quite a bit
the thing is, yes they do give loads of money to charity, but when you think about how much they actually earn they could give a whole lot more than they do
Shannon had her cat changed friday,underneath her excema was red raw and weeping,i alked them if they couldnt put some cream etc on it before applying the other cast but they said they didnt have any,hmmmm its a hospital isnt it,ok if they dont have it in that depo surely they could go to the bit that did,its going to be awful when its off,shel be itching like mad!
They were shocked that the other hosp had only put the cast on up to her knee as for her age and that kind of break she should of had it up to her thigh extra support.Another mistake.
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