View Full Version : Jade, Jo, Danielle - Enough Is Enough?
I for one never supported these three in the Big Brother house, nor their actions.
But do you now think enough is enough?
If you've seen Jade's NOTW interview or Jo's GMTV interview then you will see they are geniunally remorsfeul. They have both been in floods of tears, publicially villified and received death threats.
I dont wish to play devil's advocat here, I believe they should pay the price for what they did, bullies can not win. But what I don't support is the press/public who decide to take it that stage further and bully these three, to the extent where they are nervous/phycological wrecks with daily death threats.
Thoughts?
And what about Danielle?
She has got off lightly and I think she was the worst!
As far as Jo is concerned she wasn't all that appologetic either.
I think they should lay off Jade - she was the only genuinely sorry one of the 3.
I think they should lay off Jade - she was the only genuinely sorry one of the 3.But was she really. Its a fact she was briefed by C4 bosses before she came out of the house. The interview was so clearly scripted. She went from being a rich nobody to a NOBODY overnight. Crocodile tears I think. I have absolutely no sympathy for any of them whatsoever
I think they should lay off Jade - she was the only genuinely sorry one of the 3.But was she really. Its a fact she was briefed by C4 bosses before she came out of the house. The interview was so clearly scripted. She went from being a rich nobody to a NOBODY overnight. Crocodile tears I think. I have absolutely no sympathy for any of them whatsoever
i can see where your coming from alan, but do you think they deserve death threats for something that has been blown out of proportion.
they've done wrong, but i dont feel they deserve death threats and rigid media vilification (sp?).
Footie_Chick
30-01-2007, 09:45
I think they should lay off Jade - she was the only genuinely sorry one of the 3.But was she really. Its a fact she was briefed by C4 bosses before she came out of the house. The interview was so clearly scripted. She went from being a rich nobody to a NOBODY overnight. Crocodile tears I think. I have absolutely no sympathy for any of them whatsoever
i can see where your coming from alan, but do you think they deserve death threats for something that has been blown out of proportion.
they've done wrong, but i dont feel they deserve death threats and rigid media vilification (sp?).
Yeah i mean Jo looks like she's going to have a mental breakdown, from what i saw this morning on GMTV.
Chloe O'brien
30-01-2007, 11:24
The only winners in this sorry fiasco is ch4 and Big brother. four lives have been practically destroyed because of what happened in that house. But as I have said many times Big brother should have stopped it at the begining not let it drawn on for a week in the name of entertainment. Jade and Jo may believe they are not racist or bullies but they can't deny what went on in the house and they're treatment along with Danielle towards Shilpa was bang out of order.
If anything positive is to come out of this I would like to see their actions in the house made into a DVD as a learning material for schools to use as a deterant against bullying in school and to highlight that this behaviour is unacceptable whoever you are. You only have to open a newspaper to read that some families lives have been destroyed because a young person has taken their own life because they were bullied. Its up to jade, jo and danielle to face up to their actions and start to repair the damage they have caused. They have been seen as role models before they entered the house and it would be awful to think that bullying could be on the increase.
enough is enough so why are we still discussing this.. let it go, let Jade, jo and Danielle fade into nothing and drop this.. they are still been talked about and not deserve it... they shamed Britian by their ignorance which was broadcast around the world and address by politians.. do you want them to be YOUR figure head?
I think they should lay off Jade - she was the only genuinely sorry one of the 3.But was she really. Its a fact she was briefed by C4 bosses before she came out of the house. The interview was so clearly scripted. She went from being a rich nobody to a NOBODY overnight. Crocodile tears I think. I have absolutely no sympathy for any of them whatsoever
i can see where your coming from alan, but do you think they deserve death threats for something that has been blown out of proportion.
Obviously I do'nt think anyone deserves a death threat.
enough is enough so why are we still discussing this.. let it go, let Jade, jo and Danielle fade into nothing and drop this.. they are still been talked about and not deserve it... they shamed Britian by their ignorance which was broadcast around the world and address by politians.. do you want them to be YOUR figure head?
Ok lets draw a line under this sad affair
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I dont want to read another thing about it EVER. Its so stupid that everyone is still so obsessed with talking about it. Im with Alan, lets draw a line under the whole thing.
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xxloopylauraxx
30-01-2007, 19:07
And what about Danielle?
She has got off lightly and I think she was the worst!
As far as Jo is concerned she wasn't all that appologetic either.
I think they should lay off Jade - she was the only genuinely sorry one of the 3.
THANK YOU SOMEONE ELSE WHO AGREES WITH ME JO DIDNT SAY HALF AS MUCH AS DANIELLE AND IM SORRY HOW PLANED WAS IT ON DANNIELLES PART 'STORM SHILPAS PRESS COMFRENCE APPOLOGISE CRY AND LAY IT ON IF IT YOU CAN AND YOU WONT HAVE TO DO AN INTERVIEW WITHOUT GETING PAID FOR IT!' IM SORRY SHE WAS THE MOST RACIST PERSON IN THERE WHY DOES SHE GET AWAY WITH IT AND JADE GETS ADDMITED TO REHAB AND JO CANT EVEN GO HOME?! IM SORRY I THINK THATS WORSE THEN WHAT THEYVE BEEN ACCUSED OF?! :angry: :angry:
babyblue
30-01-2007, 19:53
Danielle got off lightly because she did her little fake crying thing and pretended to be sorry when she came out....she really was the worse of the three and it looks like she will get off. It doesn't help she has an innocent baby face, and she'll play that whole, i'm niave and thick thing for all it's worth....plus she'll end up working 1 because her bloke is sticking by her and so long as he does she still has her claim to fame...and 2 because she's thin with big boobs so in a year or 2 she'll be in the lads mags.
Jo I have no sympathy for because she is not sorry about what she said/did/didn't do AT ALL...she's sorry for herself and that people won't believe her....given the fact that she was so tortured by bullying you'd think she'd know not to behave that way and not be sorry for it....and that whole my cousin is married to an indian thing so I can't be a rascist...even her cousin's husband has said the things she said were out of order.
Jade I do feel bad for because she has gotten the worse of everything, and she was only one part of the equation...she got all of theirs put together because she was first ut which is hardly fair.
oops forgot to say...they don't deserve death threats...no one does. People threatening them are just being bullies and isn't that exactly the same thing they are disgusted by?
samantha nixon
30-01-2007, 22:22
i feel sorry for them especially Jo she went on there so you could keep her house and like she said in the gmtv interview it has ruined her life and she is getting death threats because of a tv programme and people take things offensively if Shilpa can say she doesnt find it rasict then i dont see why other people cant and just leave Jo, Jade and Danielle alone
Well you did try Bryan
So much for the line
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babyblue
31-01-2007, 08:45
i feel sorry for them especially Jo she went on there so you could keep her house and like she said in the gmtv interview it has ruined her life and she is getting death threats because of a tv programme and people take things offensively if Shilpa can say she doesnt find it rasict then i dont see why other people cant and just leave Jo, Jade and Danielle alone
that's because she hadn't seen it all...she has now...though she still said she forgives them she has said it was mean and was on the verge of tears more than a few times...it was still bullying...even if they're saying it was not racist it's still not nice. Saying that i really am sick of hearing them plead their cases...it was their own doing now go off and deal with it. They have their say now but their actions spoke louder than anything they say now could.
diamond1
31-01-2007, 13:22
I think it is sad when with all thats wrong with the world we worry about 3 little girls who didnt think before they spoke.
I do feel that with all the muslims preachers that preach hate on the streets of london and not forgetting the bnp parading around our streets it is a bit unfair that all this grief is given to these girls-and im sure they regret it when there are extreme racists doing and saying a lot worse everyday.
I am just shocked someone from sclub 7 was racist and someone from steps was gay--I remember watching their music videos with wide eyed innocence
thinking they was like machines and would never do anything wrong or out of line but thinking back steps was never innocent --I never trusted that Lee he always had shifty eyes and a evil smile...Im rambling now!!
soapyclean
31-01-2007, 15:42
Can we stop buying into this and let it drop????? The more we talk about it the more the papers are going to write rubbish about it.
From what the papers are saying Shilpa is changing her story from day to day, one day she says that Jade's not a racist, then it swings the other way and back again.
The others dont deserve death threats, it wasn't niice or right but NO ONE deserves death threats. There are worse things in this world going on that deserve our attention than some stupid reality show that should've been pulled years ago.
x Amby x
31-01-2007, 19:13
I agree enough is enough! Ok so they may have been perceived as bullies in the house, but they're not in the house anymore. I wish people would forget about all this! Jo, Jade and Danielle have all said how sorry they are why cant people accept it! So people get pleasure out of seeing them breaking down?
soapyclean
31-01-2007, 20:38
Amby, the people who have threatened them are the real bullies, yes they behaved atrociously but C4 had the choice to bang it on the head at the start.
But people who say we shouldn't talk about it any more should stop buying the rubbish newspapers, because the more we buy the more it stays where the real news should be.
stacyefc
31-01-2007, 20:48
i really think this racist issue had been blown out of porportion. imean in the first week JERMAINE called jakiey WHITE TRASH but nothing gets said about that.
Yeah maybe jade, dan and jo were abit mean to shilpa but they were not racist.
now jades house window has had bricks thrown at it and the girls are getting deaththrests. its ridiculous. Its the press that are making it worse and people who dont even watch big brother are reading the papers and beleiving it when there not racist at all.
I just think that its been made a big deal of and i think people should leave jade, danielle and jo alone imean if shipa can forgive them for the argument why cant eveyone else
babyblue
01-02-2007, 06:55
jo never said sorry for what she did.....shilpa is not changing her story day to day...after she got the full story she said the comments they made were, however she did not believe them to be rascist, and no people do not get pleasure out of seeing people break down but it's karma...what goes around came right back around to bite them on their ignorant backsides...and unlike shilpa who was trapped in a house with it they are not...they can lock themselves away from it...however they are so obsessed with their celebrity they choose not to. They can stop going on shows and doing interviews...but they don't. I don't want to see anymore of them around but so long as they continue their publicity trail they deserve some difficulty. I'm not talking death threats etc, I'm talking about questions that are truthful, require truth and don't pander to them.
no1abbafan
01-02-2007, 09:38
Where is the proof that Jade windows were smashed? She said on This Morning after she came out, that she can't go home because the police are guarding her her, police say they never received any request for a police guard, so who is having who on??? These 3 girls should fade into the background and stay there, the more they protest the more they get up people's noses. Their plan for mega celebrity didn't work. They did what they did, said what they said and must live with the consequences, as Iain fro Steps said, it was said but said on TV and now it's out there. On the Jermaine comment, he didn't called Jackiey etc.. White Trash, what he said was "some people may call them white trash but I wouldn't say that".
soapyclean
01-02-2007, 19:36
The tv news stated that police would be protecting Jade from death threats, this was not from Jade herself until she came out and was escorted out by police.
Babyblue I said the newspapers had Shilpa changing her story from one day to the next, so please read carefully next time :D
Newspapers have written up a lot of things and most of it made up, just to sell newspapers. Those who buy them get the rubbish stories that are written in their pages.
Jermaine did say that what was shown was edited HEAVILY so did the woman who was with him, so we dont know the full story, unless you were silly enough to either watch it 24/7 which is impossible. So edited is what we got, and those who watched it brought into what the C4 bosses wanted us to see.
babyblue
01-02-2007, 20:03
I was looking at inferred meaning in your post since I've been doing that with newspaper articles for my uni report :P
what I do know was that the police are actually investigating the use of the word P*** by the housemates and that's been confirmed...I'll wait till the evidence is presented but if it's true then they're just lower than low dirty rascist pigs and deserve to fall into obscurity.
I've said this in another post before anyways....the term white trash was coined by white people to put down a lower class of white people not by coloured people to degrodise. It may not be right but it doesn't carry the same sinister connotations that racial abuse does...mainly because you can change your class but race is intrinsic to who you are...also because racial abuse is accompanied by years of vicious dergredation, opression and all the other lovely side effects of colonisation and the british empire. He should have just said trash because now everyone nitpicks about what he said in order to either justify what shilpa experienced or to play it down.
Just curious.. is same colour abuse deemed Racist??? and from what I saw Jermone Jackson is Black and he was the one that used that phase so in my eyes it is racist.. within some black communities they call each other the N word but if a white person uses it against a black guy that is racist.. Why is this comment by a black man to a white family not consider racist??? just curious!!
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 10:11
I have no idea Siobhan, but I was wondering why Paki is meant to be a racist word. When in fact all it means is the person comes from pakistan, we call anyone of any colour from scotland scots or scottish, so why aren't we being racist to them??
We call alot of others a shortened version of where they come from and it's not deemed racist, I say it's what you put before and or after a word that makes it racist.
Callin someone an ********** whatever is racist, being geographically correct is not.
Is it because the do gooders have got on the pc wagon and branded everything they believe to be racist as racist??? Or is it because we've all got so super sensitive, we're meant to not offend anyone??
I remember a time we used to let it roll off our backs, the worst would get reported or a fight would break out and that would be the end of it. Now anyone over hearing a comment made between two friends can take offence and get the police involved, sorry we need to get a reality check.
The context the word was said in was racist, and the word its self is a well know racist insult.
I have no idea Siobhan, but I was wondering why Paki is meant to be a racist word. When in fact all it means is the person comes from pakistan, we call anyone of any colour from scotland scots or scottish, so why aren't we being racist to them??
We call alot of others a shortened version of where they come from and it's not deemed racist, I say it's what you put before and or after a word that makes it racist.
You're right, it shouldn't be a racist word but it has become so as it has continuously been used by racists in racist context. The correct abbreviation for someone from Pakistan is Pakistani, not Paki.
Joyful are the days when we used to hear '****ing pakis, get em!'
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 10:51
As I said it depends on the context it's being used in, if it just where they come from no it's not. If it's got derogatory remarks before and after then yes, it's a case of who says it and how like all things.
The context it was said in on this occasiona was racist.
As I said it depends on the context it's being used in, if it just where they come from no it's not. If it's got derogatory remarks before and after then yes, it's a case of who says it and how like all things.
Not really. Meanings change over time so context is no longer applicable.
Paki, like Nigger, is a derogatory term.
As I said it depends on the context it's being used in, if it just where they come from no it's not. If it's got derogatory remarks before and after then yes, it's a case of who says it and how like all things.
Not really. Meanings change over time so context is no longer applicable.
Paki, like Nigger, is a derogatory term.
Nigger has changed.. black people say it to one another now as a compliment.. I hear it loads of times and I have asked them.. they changed the meaning so that it is not a derogatory term anymore
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 11:07
Context does matter no matter what word is used, no matter if the meanings of words are changed or not.
How far do you take it though. Is Paddy, Taffy or Jock racist.
I suppose it depends on the context. At times I could find it offensive to be called a PADDY. I remember when the ''troubles'' were really bad being abused whilst on holiday ''for killing our soldiers'' The sad thing about it was that I was staying at the home of a soldier at the time.
Wasn't it an Englishman who recently complained to the courts in Australia regarding racist comments? I believe he was called a 'pom'.
I am Scottish and I object to Jock and Scotch as opposed to Scottish.
There are loads of derogatory terms for people from other countries - all of them used by people who are so uneducated that they don't know the proper term - and unbelievably, they don't understand that they ARE being racist!
Paki, Frog, Paddy, Jock, Hun etc etc. These terms are unacceptable and they are racist.
As I said it depends on the context it's being used in, if it just where they come from no it's not. If it's got derogatory remarks before and after then yes, it's a case of who says it and how like all things.
Not really. Meanings change over time so context is no longer applicable.
Paki, like Nigger, is a derogatory term.
Nigger has changed.. black people say it to one another now as a compliment.. I hear it loads of times and I have asked them.. they changed the meaning so that it is not a derogatory term anymore
Have to confess I've not heard it in a complimentary term. Maybe there is a movement to make its meaning positive which wouldn't surprise me.
Edit: Maybe its the connotations behind the words.
Context does matter no matter what word is used, no matter if the meanings of words are changed or not.
Can you give me an example? Would you go over to your Pakistani friend and say "Hey Paki, how you doing today?"
Have to confess I've not heard it in a complimentary term. Maybe there is a movement to make its meaning positive which wouldn't surprise me.
yeah.. one of the guys I work with calls all his black mates Nigger, it is quiet funny and strange to hear this as grown up I was always told this was a bad word to say to a black guy :rotfl:
Alan.. all those names are racist but it seems to be common place in todays society.. again as everyone is saying, it depends on the context..
I don't really think that the context matters.
The terms discussed are racist.
Do you all like to be called le rosbifs?
I don't really think that the context matters.
The terms discussed are racist.
Do you all like to be called le rosbifs?
sorry Trinity, I have never hear the term Le rosbifs..
Le rosbifs - a French - derogatory - term for the English.
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 11:32
Context does matter no matter what word is used, no matter if the meanings of words are changed or not.
Can you give me an example? Would you go over to your Pakistani friend and say "Hey Paki, how you doing today?"
Yep my brother and his black friends call each other some really derogatory names, sit back and watch the PC nuts go ape at them.
It was funny, because a real nazi type started joining in with my brother, my brother turned around and told him where to go cos he wasn't a friend of theirs. Needless to say a fight ensued and my brother and his mates walked off laughing together.
My friends call each other some rude names, and thats because we can it's not meant in a derogatory way.
I made the mistake of thinking someone was being mean to another person, it turned out they were best friends having a laugh as well.
So context truly does matter, and not jumping to conclusions also helps.
I feel really sorry for some people who live near to you and who have to walk down the street listening to the 'banter' going on between your brother and his mates.
For someone who isn't in your group overhearing offensive language and seeing the sort of behaviour you seem to condone would be frightening.
Of course people can be offended by the slightest thing dependining on the context.
Recently my wife was in M&S and was being talked down to by a member of staff who kept sneering as he called her Madam.. She found this very demeaning but had the last laugh when she reported him and got a grovelling apology and a £20.00 voucher. In normal circumstances Madam is a very appropriate tem to use when talking to a woman as long as its not done with a nasty sneer.
Supercillious little ****
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 11:49
I feel really sorry for some people who live near to you and who have to walk down the street listening to the 'banter' going on between your brother and his mates.
For someone who isn't in your group overhearing offensive language and seeing the sort of behaviour you seem to condone would be frightening.
Oh come on, this is what I'm talking about. We're so sensitive to these words we cant sneeze without offending anyone, what friends do to each other is between them.
Are we to record every thing someone says and send it off to the police so they can be prosecuted for bantering between themselves???
That will cause more dissent which is what we're trying to avoid, so it's a no win situation with the pc brigade on the rampage.
Good for your wife! Don't let them get away with it, that is what I say.
However - with regards to context....
It was the sneering that was offensive - not the words.
If you call somebody what for in a bright and cheerful manner then it is still offensive!
Of course people can be offended by the slightest thing dependining on the context.
Recently my wife was in M&S and was being talked down to by a member of staff who kept sneering as he called her Madam.. She found this very demeaning but had the last laugh when she reported him and got a grovelling apology and a £20.00 voucher. In normal circumstances Madam is a very appropriate tem to use when talking to a woman as long as its not done with a nasty sneer.
Supercillious little ****
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 11:54
Of course people can be offended by the slightest thing dependining on the context.
Recently my wife was in M&S and was being talked down to by a member of staff who kept sneering as he called her Madam.. She found this very demeaning but had the last laugh when she reported him and got a grovelling apology and a £20.00 voucher. In normal circumstances Madam is a very appropriate tem to use when talking to a woman as long as its not done with a nasty sneer.
Supercillious little ****
I've heard of that with other people, the sales person thinks they are beneath them.
A maori (new zealander) guy walked into a car show room, money in his back pocket work clothes on. Got talked down to, and told he couldn't afford what they had on show, asked for the manager.
Got told he was busy, repeated his request louder, manager came over asked what was wrong, pulled out the money and told him he lost a cash sale because of the sales guy.
No sale, no bonus and red faced.
Guy got a car from down the road and really happy with ssales team. I was on the same course as him and we got on great.
It looks like we have all entered a totally new ball game here, but it is my belief that political correctness in SOME respects has gone way OTT. There are many words which are now deemed as racist whether or not said in a derogatory manner, yet a racist term is made to a white person and it is supposedly ok to do this. I can't recall many cases where a white person has been racially abused, yet it does happen. The perpetrators just don't seem to be prosecuted, or it isn't reported as a racist offence.
As I think I have said before, there are many Polish people working down here, and the local people that work with them are finding it very frustrating. They are hard working, and great people, but tell them to eff off in jest and you are hauled up on a disciplinary, yet tell a local person to eff off also, and it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't call anyone by a term that is considered racist in any respects, but I do find that we are fast becoming a society that are scared to say any words for fear of retribution or come backs. People speaking to friends aren't allowed to use any terms that MAY be considered derogatory in case someone walks past them and takes offence!
What happened to "freedom of speech" in our so called democratic society..
I'm not saying that people should be allowed to be racist - far from it! But....there are ways and means and if someone is having a private conversation with someone, yet they can be prosecuted if overheard making an offensive remark......:angry:
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 13:24
It looks like we have all entered a totally new ball game here, but it is my belief that political correctness in SOME respects has gone way OTT. There are many words which are now deemed as racist whether or not said in a derogatory manner, yet a racist term is made to a white person and it is supposedly ok to do this. I can't recall many cases where a white person has been racially abused, yet it does happen. The perpetrators just don't seem to be prosecuted, or it isn't reported as a racist offence.
As I think I have said before, there are many Polish people working down here, and the local people that work with them are finding it very frustrating. They are hard working, and great people, but tell them to eff off in jest and you are hauled up on a disciplinary, yet tell a local person to eff off also, and it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't call anyone by a term that is considered racist in any respects, but I do find that we are fast becoming a society that are scared to say any words for fear of retribution or come backs. People speaking to friends aren't allowed to use any terms that MAY be considered derogatory in case someone walks past them and takes offence!
What happened to "freedom of speech" in our so called democratic society..
I'm not saying that people should be allowed to be racist - far from it! But....there are ways and means and if someone is having a private conversation with someone, yet they can be prosecuted if overheard making an offensive remark......
JoJo, thank you for saying what I was trying to say earlier. I agree racism does happen to white people on a daily basis, and I can see another war happening because this govt has been pandering to everybody else instead of going out and asking what the people want.
Racism should be stamped out, no matter who is abusing who. If friends want to do it to each other in jest then let them, if people want to talk about it and use derogatory terms as examples that's their conversation. It's not for anyone else to decide for them what they should or shouldn't say, its heading for a fall out and we'll have a hard job of stopping it.
Racism to me is wrong in any form and yes, political correctness has gone too far. I would love to see Alf Garnett and Rising Damp back on tv.
This is what I call the chickens coming home to roost syndrome. For decades racism went one way i.e. the oppressors to the oppressed. Now we are seeing the reverse happening or what is being labeled as 'reverse racism'. Either way its wrong and there's no justification for it and lets face facts: no matter how PC we get its still going to be there.
I disagree about the freedom of speech. There has to be a line between what is acceptable and what is inflammatory. What I find ironic is that people tend to use inflammatory language when faced with a perceived threat. I've seen polish, chinese, and asians verbally insulted for nothing more than the fact they are over here working. If that is what freedom of speech is about then I'm sorry, something has gone badly wrong.
People need to look at Nu Labour and actually realise that they are the problem. I think we're going to have a whole lot more to worry about in the next few years.
I disagree about the freedom of speech. There has to be a line between what is acceptable and what is inflammatory. What I find ironic is that people tend to use inflammatory language when faced with a perceived threat. I've seen polish, chinese, and asians verbally insulted for nothing more than the fact they are over here working. If that is what freedom of speech is about then I'm sorry, something has gone badly wrong.
I was meaning freedom of speech as in being able to hold a private conversation with someone and it being between the two of you, instead of someone walking past overhearing part of a conversation and taking offence to a word, even though they haven't actually heard the conversation.
Racism is wrong in any shape or form, but I have also walked down my street and had to walk through a group of Polish lads who feel its ok to not allow me to get past them and to then watch me walking by them, quite frankly worried for my own safety.
I have no problem with anyone, colour, race, sex or creed, never have and never will. When you see a Polish group of 7 people living in a 2 bedroomed rented house, with no furniture, living off of beans and toast, and sending all remaining funds to their families, then you feel for them, but a line should be drawn somewhere, before we live in a silent world worried about what to say in case its deemed as offensive.
As an afterthought....if people are prosecuted for saying racially abusive things to people etc, does this mean calling someone a slag etc could also mean prosecution in the future? Is this any different?
I think what gets me is rumour racism.. (ok I made that up) but when we first start getting refugees we were told that they were given houses by local authorities, cars, clothing and everything they needed so it instill a hatred for these people before anyone gets to know them
I find that the majority of refugees do want to work and do want to get on with life and yet they are been treated bad cause of a few bad one.
I disagree about the freedom of speech. There has to be a line between what is acceptable and what is inflammatory. What I find ironic is that people tend to use inflammatory language when faced with a perceived threat. I've seen polish, chinese, and asians verbally insulted for nothing more than the fact they are over here working. If that is what freedom of speech is about then I'm sorry, something has gone badly wrong.
I was meaning freedom of speech as in being able to hold a private conversation with someone and it being between the two of you, instead of someone walking past overhearing part of a conversation and taking offence to a word, even though they haven't actually heard the conversation.
Racism is wrong in any shape or form, but I have also walked down my street and had to walk through a group of Polish lads who feel its ok to not allow me to get past them and to then watch me walking by them, quite frankly worried for my own safety.
I have no problem with anyone, colour, race, sex or creed, never have and never will. When you see a Polish group of 7 people living in a 2 bedroomed rented house, with no furniture, living off of beans and toast, and sending all remaining funds to their families, then you feel for them, but a line should be drawn somewhere.
The way Labour are going nothing will be private anymore. Private means exactly that. Tony Blair needs a reality check. I pray this cash for peerage affair finally gets rid of him.
it doesn't matter if they are polish - surely any group of lads behaving in the same fashion would be a threat?
Some immigrants that lived down are street were thinking of going back home because cost of living here is so high but now are debating whether its worth going back as the Brits have priced them out of their own housing market.
We have a huge amount of Polish workers in Bristol, we've got several in the small company I work in one lives in a house with 11 other poles. The guys I work with are such hard workers they are qualified teachers, accountants etc but they are doing manual jobs.
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 14:17
I think what gets me is rumour racism.. (ok I made that up) but when we first start getting refugees we were told that they were given houses by local authorities, cars, clothing and everything they needed so it instill a hatred for these people before anyone gets to know them
I find that the majority of refugees do want to work and do want to get on with life and yet they are been treated bad cause of a few bad one.
I was working with a woman who was doing her social workers degree, prior to going for this degree she worked with immigrants. Yes they do go to Citizens Advice Buerau and other places, find out what they can get and what they get is alot more than a native Brit gets.
We held many conversations about this, and she said it's because they are told what they are entitled to we aren't. This is where the whole problem lies, not with the immigrants themselves, but again with govt sectors.
The sooner people vote the sooner we can get another bunch of numbskulls in power, and we'll have to see what they do with the rubbish that has been brought in under labour.
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 14:20
We have a huge amount of Polish workers in Bristol, we've got several in the small company I work in one lives in a house with 11 other poles. The guys I work with are such hard workers they are qualified teachers, accountants etc but they are doing manual jobs.
This is what I dont get if they are such highly qualified why aren't we allowing them to work in their fields???
We need teachers etc and they need the quickest way to help their families back home, oh hang on I'm being practical here sorry I'll have to go retrain as a govt official :D
The way Labour are going nothing will be private anymore. Private means exactly that. Tony Blair needs a reality check. I pray this cash for peerage affair finally gets rid of him.
it doesn't matter if they are polish - surely any group of lads behaving in the same fashion would be a threat?
Some immigrants that lived down are street were thinking of going back home because cost of living here is so high but now are debating whether its worth going back as the Brits have priced them out of their own housing market.
Its not the fact they are Polish that makes them a threat, you're right, but they have outcast themselves. Not through being Polish of course, but I mean the whole situation. Saturdays nights in a small town of probably 5,000 people if that, involve riot police sitting in the middle of the road between the Polish lads on one side and the Local lads on the other side, who are upset as they can't get a house in our town anymore as DSS etc have rented them to the Polish people.
The groups of lads I mean with trying to get past them, eye you up and down, speaking to each other in Polish and it makes you feel generally uncomfortable. These lads might not even being talking about me, but because I can't understand what they are saying, it makes me feel threatened.
Everywhere, we have posters in both English and Polish, Polish being the first language on the posters.
I hope I'm sounding racist here as I'm truly not, its just trying to explain a situation we have :)
P.S. From what was said on the news this lunchtime, he'll be here till the end.
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 14:28
The way Labour are going nothing will be private anymore. Private means exactly that. Tony Blair needs a reality check. I pray this cash for peerage affair finally gets rid of him.
it doesn't matter if they are polish - surely any group of lads behaving in the same fashion would be a threat?
Some immigrants that lived down are street were thinking of going back home because cost of living here is so high but now are debating whether its worth going back as the Brits have priced them out of their own housing market.
Its not the fact they are Polish that makes them a threat, you're right, but they have outcast themselves. Not through being Polish of course, but I mean the whole situation. Saturdays nights in a small town of probably 5,000 people if that, involve riot police sitting in the middle of the road between the Polish lads on one side and the Local lads on the other side, who are upset as they can't get a house in our town anymore as DSS etc have rented them to the Polish people.
The groups of lads I mean with trying to get past them, eye you up and down, speaking to each other in Polish and it makes you feel generally uncomfortable. These lads might not even being talking about me, but because I can't understand what they are saying, it makes me feel threatened.
Everywhere, we have posters in both English and Polish, Polish being the first language on the posters.
I hope I'm sounding racist here as I'm truly not, its just trying to explain a situation we have :)
P.S. From what was said on the news this lunchtime, he'll be here till the end.
What you say is not racist, it's fact because you see it yourself. How else are you going to type it??
This is how WW2 started, the perceived threat of immigrants & jews etc and it's happening here again today. It's not the immigrants fault it's the govt fault for not having stricter immigration laws and allowing Brussels to tell us what we can and can not do.
P.S. From what was said on the news this lunchtime, he'll be here till the end.
Well lets hope those God fearing people who wave their placards saying The End is Nigh are talking about Tony Bliar and his cronies
I think what gets me is rumour racism.. (ok I made that up) but when we first start getting refugees we were told that they were given houses by local authorities, cars, clothing and everything they needed so it instill a hatred for these people before anyone gets to know them
I find that the majority of refugees do want to work and do want to get on with life and yet they are been treated bad cause of a few bad one.
I was working with a woman who was doing her social workers degree, prior to going for this degree she worked with immigrants. Yes they do go to Citizens Advice Buerau and other places, find out what they can get and what they get is alot more than a native Brit gets.
We held many conversations about this, and she said it's because they are told what they are entitled to we aren't. This is where the whole problem lies, not with the immigrants themselves, but again with govt sectors.
The sooner people vote the sooner we can get another bunch of numbskulls in power, and we'll have to see what they do with the rubbish that has been brought in under labour.
The benefits system in this country is crazy!
There are so many British people abusing the benfits system.
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 14:41
P.S. From what was said on the news this lunchtime, he'll be here till the end.
Well lets hope those God fearing people who wave their placards saying The End is Nigh are talking about Tony Bliar and his cronies
SAdly they aren't, more is the pity. There has never been such a dispicable leader in power as Bliar, the more that vote this time around and keep voting then maybe the people in govt will get the message.
Sorry there I go again, I keep forgetting not to be practicle.
soapyclean
02-02-2007, 14:43
I think what gets me is rumour racism.. (ok I made that up) but when we first start getting refugees we were told that they were given houses by local authorities, cars, clothing and everything they needed so it instill a hatred for these people before anyone gets to know them
I find that the majority of refugees do want to work and do want to get on with life and yet they are been treated bad cause of a few bad one.
I was working with a woman who was doing her social workers degree, prior to going for this degree she worked with immigrants. Yes they do go to Citizens Advice Buerau and other places, find out what they can get and what they get is alot more than a native Brit gets.
We held many conversations about this, and she said it's because they are told what they are entitled to we aren't. This is where the whole problem lies, not with the immigrants themselves, but again with govt sectors.
The sooner people vote the sooner we can get another bunch of numbskulls in power, and we'll have to see what they do with the rubbish that has been brought in under labour.
The benefits system in this country is crazy!
There are so many British people abusing the benfits system.
There are too many benefits, not enough follow ups and to many allowing immigrants to get a better deal than Brits. Again down to govt rulings, not the peoples fault for taking advantage.
Apparently Jo is saying that CBB should be taken off air as it ruins peoples lifes? Surely she went on it to promote her career?
Apparently Jo is saying that CBB should be taken off air as it ruins peoples lifes? Surely she went on it to promote her career?
I know i saw that but to be honest the show didnt do anything, Jo did all the talking
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