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Having seen yesterdays shouting match between Shilpa and Jade do you think that Jades remarks are racist? Up to yesterday I thought it was plain bullying with undertones of xenophobia thrown in for good measure but now I definitely think that Jades remarks were said in a racist context.
I don't care if its reality television and 'the people knew what they were getting into', there is absolutely no excuse for bullying and racism. I saw Channel 4 BBBM (or BBLB?) last night where they had a psychologist say that Shilpa scored low on the manipulative personality test and then went on to hint that Shilpa was possibly the one who orchestrating it all! Pathetic attempt by Channel 4 to play the blame game.
What?? How can you blame Shipla for been bullied and having racist remarks thrown at her?? How can someone set themselves up to be bullied on purpose?? I don't get that at all
Initally, from reading all this, is was just bullying with racist remarks. Jade et al has no right to talk to anyone they way they talk to her.. it is a disgrace.
I don't think Jade has done her 'career' any favours. Looking at the tabloids it looks like she will be crucified when she comes out of the house. The irony: don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Unfortunately this is just more publicity for the Nonentity that is Jade Goody. Nothing can excuse her disgusting behaviour. Its time the plug was pulled on this rubbish programme
Jade is a bitch, before her entrance all was fine in there, shilpa was well liked. Jade is loudmouth, channel 4 knew her entrance would stir things up! They should do the decent thing and get her out now! But they havent, she is up for evicton and they know people in their hundreds will be voting her out, making lots of lovely dosh for themselves.
before last night i thought it was just female bitching, but after watching it in the news and again watching it back, i do think Shilpa is being picked on because of where se comes from!
It will be interesting to watch when jade is evicted, will jo and danielle be nice again to shilpa, how will it change!
Jade is now nothing, who is really going to want her working for then now!
Chloe O'brien
18-01-2007, 10:58
When Jade was in the house the first time, everyone laughed at her stupidity but now she has shown her true colours that she is nasty bitch and I hope she get what she deserves when she come out of the house. I'm not a huge fan of Shilpa's either but the BB environment is totally different to what she is used to as she has servants to look after her when she is at home, so it's bound to be a culture shock. But she does not deserve the treatment that Jade and the others are given her. Jo and Danielle are not much better although their comments have not been as harsh they have sat there and smirked and they will probably do a U turn and be so nicey nicey to shilpa when Jade goes, personally the three of them should go on Friday and not give them anymore airtime. All three of them deserve to have their careers go down the pan they may realise that they cant get away with bullying someone intentionally or not just because they are a CELEBRITY. If there had not been all the drama that happened this week and Shilpa was put up for nomination I would have voted her out just because she is not one of my favourite housemates, but watching BB the last few nights Jade has to go. Let her go back to the scabby housing estate she came from and take her nerdy mother with her.
Kath, I agree it is a culture shock for Shipla.. but it was the same for David Gest in "I'm a celeb" and he wasn't attacked or bullied. I don't know which is worse Jade or the girls.. You know Jade will brush it off saying "oh I didn't realise that was racialism (or some equally stupid made up word)", playing the idiot but the other two girls should know better and stop her.. Are they afraid she will bully them? She can't bully them all and I am very disappointed with Jade.. I thought she was better than this after all the crap she got when she was in the house
Chloe O'brien
18-01-2007, 11:34
I know it's like she has had a loss of memory on what happened to her when she was in there the first time or maybe she is planning to play dumb and say that she didn't remember saying things like Danielle did. We all know there is going to be confrontaion in the house at some point, there has to be. But if Jade and Shilpa had a blazing row and they threw bitchy comments at each other it would have been accepted as it probably blown over by now but since last Friday when Carole was evicted Jade and Danielle were arguing with Shilpa then and they haven't stopped. They should have been called to the diary room and told they were up for eviction for bullying. Get the three of them out, because if Jo and Danielle get away with playing any part in this and go on to win CBB then what kind of behaviour are we approving.
Yes that is what normally would or should happen but c4 don't think she is been bullied and they are saying "oh she hasn't said anything so it can't be that bad" plus they have 3 million increase in viewers so they are not going to evict them.. this is good for them but bad for the nation as a whole. India are not to pleased and feel that this is a representation of UK.. do you want Jade as your ambassador???
Hasn't Shilpa complained today that she feels she is under a racist attack?
Hasn't Shilpa complained today that she feels she is under a racist attack?
NO. she mentioned it to Chloe but she was told that it wasn't racist
Speaking to another contestant Cleo Rocos, she continued: "It's scary. It's quite a shame actually."
Cleo said: "I don't think it's to do with where you come from."
Shilpa said: "It is to do with that."
Cleo said: "I don't think there's anything racist in it."
Shilpa replied: "It is, I'm telling you. I don't deserve this. I definitely don't deserve it."
So because she hasn't said it directly to BB, they are saying that it is not a race issue or bullying.. how pathetic is that?
Chloe O'brien
18-01-2007, 12:04
It doesn't matter whether she has went into the diary room or not to complain. They have eyes and ears they can see how distressed she has been over the last few days and they should have done something about it before now.
This also came from C4:
In a statement, Channel 4 said that Shilpa had not voiced concerns about racism to Big Brother.
But later Shilpa asked whether the other girls hate her because she is Indian.
She also says in the Diary Room: "They all have different accents, but only mine is singled out. I don't know why. I think they find it funny.
"It's OK. I don't really read too much into it. I don't want to, if they came to India they wouldn't be able to speak the language I speak.
"I've come to their country, and I think I speak it very well. And I think my vocabulary is better than most of them."
She says: "We're all from different cultures and different backgrounds and different religions but we still have blood running through our veins, that's the only common factor."
hence, nothing is been done about this
Whats the betting that when Jade Nobody comes out of the house she will have some half baked pulbicist making out that this was all an act and that Jade really is a warm caring human being and tha some of her best friends ar coloured people. Then six months down the line another sensational book:rolleyes:
Looks like her profile on wikipedia is being trashed:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Jade.PNG
Looks like her profile on wikipedia is being trashed:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Jade.PNGAnd who says Wikipedia is rubbish:rotfl:
Jade Goody - net worth £4 million!!!!!!
This has got to be an example of everything that is wrong with the UK!
Jade Goody - net worth £4 million!!!!!!
This has got to be an example of everything that is wrong with the UK!
£4 million? I was reading it was £8million - or was that how much she has earned to date? Regardless, it shows how stupid obsession with celebrity.
Jade Goody - net worth £4 million!!!!!!
This has got to be an example of everything that is wrong with the UK!
£4 million? I was reading it was £8million - or was that how much she has earned to date? Regardless, it shows how stupid obsession with celebrity.
8 mill is what she has earned.. 4 is her worth..
Jade Goody - net worth £4 million!!!!!!
This has got to be an example of everything that is wrong with the UK!
£4 million? I was reading it was £8million - or was that how much she has earned to date? Regardless, it shows how stupid obsession with celebrity.
8 mill is what she has earned.. 4 is her worth..
And her worth after this show is going to be funny. It's like watching the dot com bubble!
You know something, I can see nothing changing.. she is still going to be hired and she is still going to amass money.. she may behave stupid but she is far from it. Already her PA are saying that this is not Jade:
http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1490259.jpg
Goody during a rant
'Goody's Not A Racist'
Updated: 13:27, Thursday January 18, 2007
Jade Goody's spokeswoman has insisted the Celebrity Big Brother contestant's behaviour is not racist after another blazing row on the show.
But Jade's spokeswoman said: "I have not heard Jade say anything that could be interpreted as a racist remark.
"I am not denying the fact that it appears Jade dislikes Shilpa, but I don't believe her race is the reason."
I am not condoning the way that Shilpa has been treated for a second and I will be definately be voting for Jade to be evicted tomorrow, hopefully never to be seen in public again. But, earlier in the series I remember Jermaine calling someone - probably Jade or her Mum, White Trash. Couldn't that also be construed as being racist?
White Trash?
I dont really think that it is a racist term. Its an Americanism similar to chavs. It generaalyy describes poorer people and is sometimes called trailer trash. Its certainly offensve but I dont think racist
8 mill is what she has earned.. 4 is her worth..Is that 4 million or 4 pence Shiv:p
I am not condoning the way that Shilpa has been treated for a second and I will be definately be voting for Jade to be evicted tomorrow, hopefully never to be seen in public again. But, earlier in the series I remember Jermaine calling someone - probably Jade or her Mum, White Trash. Couldn't that also be construed as being racist?
Yup, I would say its racist, but then we have the problem of context as in shown in Corrie (http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1713881,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704).
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This whole racism thing seems to have ignited everyone. When I was in England i used to hear all the racist jokes about the Scottish, Irish and of course, the Germans. When you visit these nationalities you realise the brainwashing that the jokes have done to you. You expect the sterotype to fit but of course it doesn't and it makes you feel very uncomfortable. I'm not saying its only the English that do it, but once it becomes part of the culture ignorance then is truly bliss.
This is what I think sort of - to be honest I haven't been watching but from seeing it as headline news etc anyway...
If you don't like someone at school or your at the pub and you have a drink and an argument with someone, or someone at home, hubby, wife, partner etc, you WILL say the worst things that come to mind. You WILL say the things that you know will hurt them. I think the problem is excentuated because they are stuck in the small 4 walls of big brother. They can't walk away from each other, stay out of the others way etc. and therefore this whole thing is continuing. I don't believe any of them are racist - if they were (Jo and Danielle especially) then wouldn't there have been problems from the outset rather than only from when Jade came in?? Jade has been brought in to cause a stir and a ratings rise - plain and simple. Big Brother, Endemol and Channel 4 knew exactly what they were doing, bringing her into it. They wanted fireworks and that is exactly what they have got. But I honestly don't think it was racially motivated - its nasty, its bitchy, it bullying and it should stop, but it is also two people who have a major clash of personalities that would normally cross the street to avoid each other and are unable to because of the situation that they are in.
But, to me, why is it headline news?? Aren't there more important things happening in the world, without this being the lead story? I know that its caused uproar in India and who can blame them for protesting and being angry, they have every right to be, but its a tv show. Endemol and Channel 4 should have done something about this a long time ago, not sit and wait for Shilpa herself to enter the diary room and say Big Brother I am being racially bullied. This should never have been the main topic in PM's questions, in my view, and considering the number of murderers and rapists etc that could be on the loose in Britain (after the offences being carried out abroad), I would rather know I was safe to sleep in my bed at night.
How do we know that the one hour slot on C4 hasn't been condensed to show the absolute worst? (Like I said, I don't watch, so just asking the question, please don't shoot me down in flames) but we all know how TV has a great way of making people look different. I'm not doubting that there has been disgusting treatment of Shilpa and it should have been stopped long before it got to this point, but I still dont think Jade is racist.
BTW, I'd find being called white trash just as bad as calling someone the disgusting N word - where I live, there are a lot of Polish people that have come over and whilst its apparently ok to tell an English person to eff off, say the same to one of the Poles and you are up on a disciplinary and possibly investigated by the police for racisim! Is this fair??
I'm choosing bullying with undertones of racism, purely because of the actual terms used
Carphone Warehouse has suspended sponsorship of Celebrity Big Brother following allegations of racism toward actress Shilpa Shetty on the C4 show.
The company said its sponsorship would be removed from the current series "with immediate effect".
The move follows media watchdog Ofcom's demand that C4 must respond to complaints about 'racist' comments.
"Clearly what is happening is very serious," said Ofcom's chief executive Ed Richards.
A record 30,000 complaints have been made over alleged racist remarks towards Indian actress and Big Brother contestant Shetty.
Three of her fellow housemates have been accused of racist behaviour, with Jade Goody receiving the brunt of the public criticism.
However a spokeswoman for Goody, 25, who had an explosive row with Shetty on Wednesday, has denied she is a racist.
Shetty, 31 is award-winning Bollywood actress
"I would urge anyone who says that Jade is a racist to produce the evidence to support the claim," she said on Thursday.
"I have not heard Jade say anything that could be interpreted as a racist remark."
Ofcom chairman Ed Richards said that "any allegation of racism is very serious".
He said Ofcom will write to Channel 4 shortly but "in the meantime, it is Channel 4's responsibility to respond to very significant viewer concerns."
He added that the watchdog was "taking the matter very seriously and monitoring the situation very, very carefully".
"One can think of other circumstances where people have rushed to judgment and repented at leisure," he added.
He told a media conference in Oxford that the watchdog would not conduct a "kangaroo court".
'Victim'
Shetty spoke for the first time of fears that she is a victim of racism on Wednesday.
She told housemate Cleo Rocos that she feared she was being targeted because of her race.
Rocos, comforting the Bollywood actress following the row over stock cubes, told Shetty: "I don't think there's anything racist in it."
But Shetty said: "It is, I'm telling you."
Reports say Shetty and Goody are to go head-to-head in the next Celebrity Big Brother evictions on Friday, with Goody 1-5 favourite to get the boot.
'Go home'
Contestant Danielle Lloyd has also hit out at the Bollywood star, saying Shetty should just "go home" , adding that "she can't even speak English properly".
In a statement, Channel 4 said there had been "no overt racial abuse or racist behaviour," despite more than 27,000 complaints from the public to media regulator Ofcom and 3,000 directly to the channel.
"Unambiguous racist behaviour and language is not tolerated under any circumstances in the Big Brother house. Housemates are constantly monitored and Channel 4 would intervene if a clear instance of this arose," it said.
However, Channel 4 admitted there had "undoubtedly been a cultural and class clash between her and three of the British females in the house."
Shilpa Shetty is being victimised for being different, be it by colour, class or culture
However, the explosion of media coverage has seen audience figures rise, with 3.5 million viewers tuning in on Monday, 4.5 million on Tuesday and 5.2 million on Wednesday - equalling the highest figure for this series since the live launch.
Jackiey, Jade and Jack have made it clear they do not like Shilpa
The story has made the headlines in India, and a small-scale protest in the eastern Indian city of Patna saw the burning of an effigy of the show's organisers.
Politicians have entered the row, with Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Jack Straw among those commenting on the programme.
The leader of Unison, the UK's biggest trade union, has attacked Channel 4 over the Big Brother controversy, accusing the station of promoting a "circus of racism" and giving publicity to "louts".
Former England batsman, Geoff Boycott, a friend of Shetty, told the BBC Asian Network that he was not impressed by what he had seen so far.
"It is totally alien to most Asian girls, in particular Shilpa Shetty, who's known in India for being a really nice girl; she's not up her own self; she's not full of herself," he said.
And the National Bullying helpline has reported a rise in phonecalls since the alleged bullying on Celebrity Big Brother.
haley1971
18-01-2007, 14:35
jade goody needs to be ashamed of herself her behaviour is disgustin can you imagine what her kids are gonna turn out like with the foul racist coments she says in public let alone in the privacy of her own home. There is good and bad in every creed and colour but to be honest im ashamed to say im british with the likes of goody !!!!!
if there was a way to use the thank you button more than once, I would have.
but as I have said, this is what UK is been represented as in the rest of the world.. C4 has used this for its own benefit but it has shown British people in a very bad light to the rest of the world (been headline news here)
jade goody needs 2 b ashamed of herself her behaviour is disgustin can u imagine wot her kids r gona turn out like with the foul racist cooments she says in public let alone in the privacy of her own home. There is good n bad in every creed and colour but 2 b honest im ashamed 2 say im british wit the likes of goody !!!!!
Haley, wellcome to the boards but can you please not use text talk, it is against board rule.. thank you
haley1971
18-01-2007, 14:40
sorry i didnt realise i have changed it hayley x
Yup, even Jeremy Paxman looked pissed off last night when he had to report on the happenings on CBB. It shouldn't be a major issue - i.e. being raised in the house of commons, headline news etc, but what does it say about our society that the main talking point is what is happening in CBB? Channel 4 and Endemol know what they are doing and to them its a ratings war. They should have nipped it in the bud but as we know controversy is what makes the programme compulsive viewing for some.
The longer the programme goes on the more 'normal' people in the house become. Its very hard to disguise your personality/opinions for long and that is what we are seeing in the house now. I personally thought it was more bullying and girlie bitching that anything until I heard what Jade said last night.
What I find most interesting is the reverse racism that seems to go on these days from those from the indian and african/jamaican origins against the poles. Just goes to show that racism is well and alive - just that its practiced more these days by those that would be classed as second/third generation immigrants.
Political correctness in this country has gone mad IMO.
This should go on my list of things that annoy me but I hate people who claim not to be racist but make ridiculus sweeping statement about a race!! this is what is happening here be the white trash remark or the comment been made to Shipla. This never should go this far at all and should not be a main headline (maybe in entertainment section)
Like Em, I don't watch it but I have read it all on Sky and it just seems it is going this far for publicity sake!! Last year Jodie claims she was bullied and (not taken from what was said to shipla) very nasty remarks were made to her but it this because it was a white on white comment, it wasn't exploded. Would this have been as big if Shipla had made nasty comments about Jade? would it be main headlines or it racism a one way street and to keep the piece we ignore comment coming back the other way???
Yup, even Jeremy Paxman looked pissed off last night when he had to report on the happenings on CBB. It shouldn't be a major issue - i.e. being raised in the house of commons, headline news etc, but what does it say about our society that the main talking point is what is happening in CBB? Channel 4 and Endemol know what they are doing and to them its a ratings war. They should have nipped it in the bud but as we know controversy is what makes the programme compulsive viewing for some.
Political correctness in this country has gone mad IMO.
Exactly - this is all about ratings and this is why I hate this programme - they don't care about anyones feelings in there, as long as they make the headlines and win the ratings wars. This should not be headline news or the only thing on every television and radio station talk topics at the moment - people have been killed in today's high winds, but no doubt, the headline will now be with regards to Carphone Warehouse removing their sponsorship deal :angry:
This should go on my list of things that annoy me but I hate people who claim not to be racist but make ridiculus sweeping statement about a race!! this is what is happening here be the white trash remark or the comment been made to Shipla. This never should go this far at all and should not be a main headline (maybe in entertainment section)
Like Em, I don't watch it but I have read it all on Sky and it just seems it is going this far for publicity sake!! Last year Jodie claims she was bullied and (not taken from what was said to shipla) very nasty remarks were made to her but it this because it was a white on white comment, it wasn't exploded. Would this have been as big if Shipla had made nasty comments about Jade? would it be main headlines or it racism a one way street and to keep the piece we ignore comment coming back the other way???
This is what I wonder Siobhan - would it have been the main topic on everyones lips, if Shilpa had made racist remarks to Jade and as has been said already, Jermaines white trash statement has been totally ignored. Racisim is one and the same no matter who is saying it. But I still think its mostly more to do with saying as much as possible to "win" the argument, albeit in the wrong way.
I think the problem is going to be how Channel 4 and Endemol are portraying us as English people - what sort of view are nations around the world going to take of us, if this publicity that C4 seem to feel fit for broadcast is used.
This argument will not cease for a long time after CBB has finished, and I think that is exactly what Endemol/Channel 4 wanted.
I havent watched it either but its everywhere all over the papers. I think its more ignorance than racism.
Bad Wolf
18-01-2007, 15:44
i think a lot of it is jealously - shipla is stunning and she has real class, where as despite being a former beauty queen - dannielle really doesnt, jade still looks like the papers described her on bb2 (piggy face / kebab belly) and jo doesnt even register...................
Bad Wolf
18-01-2007, 15:44
that last post was mean - sorry jade fans!
summed it up quite well, Terry Christian on the radio this morning said he is loving watching the three of them throw there careers down the toilet.
Bad Wolf
18-01-2007, 15:53
jade or shipla up for chop
its not clear if the house nominated or c4 have done it
Channel 4 CEO Andy Duncan has issued a statement on the Celebrity Big Brother controversy. The statement in full:
"In the seven years it has been on air Big Brother has seldom been far from the headlines.
"The reason it commands so much attention, intentionally or unintentionally, is that it goes to the heart of who we are as individuals and as a society.
"The latest series of Celebrity Big Brother has strayed into particularly controversial territory – the issue of racism and whether or not it remains ingrained in British attitudes despite all the progress we have apparently made towards becoming a truly multi-cultural society.
"The level of complaint and comment shows the programme has touched a real nerve.
"The debate has been heated, the viewing has at times been uncomfortable but, in my view, it is unquestionably a good thing that the programme has raised these issues and provoked such a debate. These attitudes, however distasteful, do persist – we need to confront that truth.
"What constitutes racism is a complex question. We have been monitoring extremely carefully events in the house and have reached the view that we cannot with certainty say that the comments directed at Shilpa have been racially motivated or whether they stem from broader cultural and social differences.
"We have already intervened with Danielle and, as viewers will see tonight, again with Jade where we felt their comments might be construed to have racist overtones. Producers also spoke to Shilpa today who said she did not feel that behaviour towards her was racist.
"We will not hesitate to intervene again if apparently racist behaviour occurs.
"Big Brother’s unique strength is that it is ultimately the public who will decide whether or not the behaviour of certain contestants has been unacceptable.
"Tomorrow night Jade and Shilpa will face the public vote. The British public has the opportunity to cut through the claim and counter-claim and pass its judgement on the events of the last week.
In the last 25 years Channel 4 has undoubtedly played a major role as a broadcaster to inform and educate viewers about issues of race. This is a role that I intend Channel 4 to continue playing."
I haven't watched CBB for the last week, and i think part of the problem is the editing- it is done so certain things are blown out of proportion but it's good to see people have complained- at least someone is watching. however, i think BB should have been stopped by now as it always causes a stir. it seems jackiey started this and everyone else got on the band wagon
I think they are bullying her, with undertones of racism. I wouldn't exactly brand them racists though, as otherwise, surely they'd be getting at Germaine (sp?) as well?
Jade took it too far with Shilpa last night though, she didn't have to react the way she did, it was far too OTT. I think the editing is to blame as well, mind. That was a 1hr show, full of about 50 minutes of bullying/racism, taken from 24hrs of footage. I think that unless you watch the live feed 24/7, its hard to tell about this issue and make an opinion, as the media coverage and editing are influencing our opinions a lot, i reckon...
I think it's more an issue of class and jealousy. They are jealous of her money, her fame and her class. The woman has dignity and is 100 times the person them 4 are together.
They barley have two braincells to rub together between them, they are culturally ignorant and generally unintelligant, they are just using the age old immature school insults, for the sake of it. They speak before they think and deep down probably dont mean some of the things they say. Bullying is a common element of socity, and it's just so happened to take place here, they give out petty insults, mock her behind her back and act utterly disgraceful, they have said some racist things but i dont think theres true racial intent there, they are just foolish morons who dont realise what they are saying and how it's hurting Shilpa.
Personally i think they should get kicked out, all 4 of them, their behaviour has disguted me and made for some uncomfortable viewing.
Chloe O'brien
18-01-2007, 18:40
The Perfume Shop has withdrawn Jade Goody's "Shh..." perfume from its stores with immediate effect.
"The Perfume Shop has decided to withdraw Jade Goody’s perfume Shh… from all of its 150 UK stores with immediate effect," the company said in a statement. "This decision will be reviewed once Ms Goody has left the Big Brother house and is in a position to respond to the media in person."
If donny and ken hadn't walked in the first week thing would have been a lot different and if shilpa had been up for eviction I would have porbably voted for her over some of the other housemates. I don't believe that shilpa is without sin and I think that given different circumstances she could give Jade or any other housemates good as she gets,I would have had a go at her if she was picking food of the plates, and I support that comment from Jermaine was out of order as well and he should have been repremanded for it. Its one thing to have an argument with someone and say things in the heat of the moment because you are stuck in a confined space. Its another to keep on picking on a person day after day. Whatever happens Jade and the others are going to make money and makers BB are laughing their heads of as they have the attention they were seeking.
soapyclean
18-01-2007, 19:47
If anything that was said was racist we ALL better shut our traps as anything we say maybe considered racist.
From what I remember all previous shows when this kind of thing happened, it wasn't news worthy. Now we have this bollywood star in it's considered bullying and racist, so what double standard are they using to base this on???
What really gets on my nerves is this woman could've WALKED out any time like the others. Instead she chose to stay, which should ring very large BELLS as to what her real reasons are for staying in the house.
So this is all a publicity stunt for C4 to keep this reality rubbish on our screens, we have an OFF switch and other channels isn't it about time we used them. It would show C4 what we REALLY think of this load of rubbish, instead those who view it sit thinking it's entertainment.
pookie1968uk
18-01-2007, 21:29
i have barely watched any of this so cant comment on whether i think its racism or not but it will have certainly helped lift the slump in ratings the programme was having! coincidence or not?
samantha nixon
18-01-2007, 21:47
I dont think what theyare doing is racist as they arent actually saying things against the colour of her skin they are just saying things about her personality, and i agree with them that she is two faced and i didnt like her from the begining, but i dont see how people can say Danielle and Jo are doing anything wrong Jade is the one who has said the things which arent even that bad what she has said
I think it's more an issue of class and jealousy. They are jealous of her money, her fame and her class. The woman has dignity and is 100 times the person them 4 are together.
Why would they though? I didn't know who Shilpa was, so I very much doubt that Jade and Co knew who she was, so why would they be jealous of the fame?
As I've said, I think that C4 have used these rows for their own ratings winning show :rolleyes: not caring on how anyone else looks or feels - Shilpa has today said that she doesn't feel its racially motivated, and shes the one under attack.
Why wasn't Jermaine hauled up for calling Jackiey, white trailer trash? Is that phrase less demeaning to Jackiey than some of the names called/said to Shilpa?
There are far more important things going on in our world and society than this pathetic excuse for an entertaining television show, which frankly should have ended a long time ago!
soapyclean
19-01-2007, 15:17
Something a bit more news worthy than whats kept us occupied the good part of a week, I'd rather hear about something that should have us ALL worried.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_article_id=429652&in_page_id=1787&in_page_id=1787&expand=true#StartComments
xXxJessxXx
19-01-2007, 15:51
I really can not see why this has caused such a stir. There has been no racial remarks what so ever. It is just simply two people having an argument or disagreement. Some people may call this bullying but it certainly not racist. We've seen Jade in the BB house before and she's had arguments with a countless number of people even Ken Russel this year. Most people who have gone into the BB house have had arguments but never has it ben such an issue. And this is beacuse its mostly been white on white. But for all this to have come about because Shilpa is indian i am sorry but that is just unacceptable. What messege is this saying to people? That other racses than yourselves can do what ever the hell they like and manipualte people and get away with it because they are of a different race. This happends all the time in the uk and i get sick of it. If the same thing were to happen between say Jade and Cleo nothing would have been said.
Danielle and Jo are not innocent in all of this but should they be punished and called a bully or a racist just because they sat and laughed? Fare enough they should have been a bit mature and taken shilpa's feelings on board but hwat about Jades? Why is shilpa the innocnet in all of this she started the row. Danielle and Jo have the right to laugh if they want to i dont feel this is any way part of the dibate so why bring them into it.
I feel that Jade doesnt get along with shilpa perhaps not because of her race nor that she is jelous. She wouldnt even know who shilpa was and i dont think jade is one to be jelous of her lifestyle. Shilpa is manipulating and very controling and a huge liar! She deserves what she gets. Anyone in jaeds situation would be riled by her but if they were white it wouldnt have been made into an issue.
What about Jermaine? He is the most racist in that house and the only one i have heard actually make a racist comment. 'White Trash?' what is that all about... why hasnt he been pulled up apon this. I think its ridiculous this has even been made into such an issue its pathetic!
I feel like they have been racist in small bits like they do throw in the odd comment, I mean Jade and Daneille they are think as, so they probably dont even know what they are saying half the time but Im more shocked at Jo who is quite smart.
Andy'sLuckyPony
19-01-2007, 16:59
Uhmmm.
I think that its been sooo exaggerated. Yeah, it's bullying, but I wouldnt say Shilpa was innocent. She DOES act superior to them - whether its intentional or not. I think Jade has insecuritys over her class, and the class difference between them has led them to fight.
Jade isnt a racist - or a bully - not really. I think that Danielles comments are much more racist, and Jo and Danielle are more bullys than Jade. Jade speaks her mind, is upfront - although not always pleasant, and DOES show remorse. Danielle etc all bitch behind Shilpa's back. As a person who has been bullied in the past, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I wouldn't consider Jade's actions to be bullying. Or racist.
If Jade can be considered racist, what about Shilpa's mocking of the way Jade says "whale"? Or Jermaines reference to the Goody's as white trash? WHY aren't these comments reported in the newspapers?!!
If they are anything they are the culturally ignorant comments of a loud girl, who is bullying her a little bit, but not the extreme that is being written about in papers.
>_< my post is full of contradictions lol. But theres no racsim from Jades side at least.
xxloopylauraxx
19-01-2007, 20:36
i dont think jade was wrong at the end of the day nothing racist came out pf her mouth however danielle is the racist after all she said the racist comments. also who the hell is shilpa to tell jade she needs elecutions lessons and to talk down to jade, shes no better. i think its just an arguement not racisum or disgrimination or whatever. Race is used to much these days its used when it shouldnt .its an easy thing to blame. Its an excape route for when theres nothing else to blame. just a lentghy arguement thats got alot of shouting!!!!
bet jade goody wishes she never went into this big brother. big brother made her now its going to break her. i for one stick by jade! and i dnt think shilpa's in the wrong either.
squillyfer
19-01-2007, 21:09
I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand, its just the papersmaking soemthing out of nothing
Jessie Wallace
19-01-2007, 21:11
Indeed. I now can't wait for this to be over, coz i'm feeling really sorry for Jade now, no-one deserves what she is about to go through. I'm just glad the they had the sence to take the crowds away and stop the press conferance tonight.
squillyfer
19-01-2007, 23:07
I feel so sorry for jade that has to be so upsetting to have come out to no one and then be booed by the small crowd that was there when shilpa herself has said that they are ok and there isnt a racism issue
SarahWakefield
19-01-2007, 23:10
She's disguisting! She even knows it her self!
I'm finding that there seems to be no problem with someone calling the Goody's white trailer trash and I can't understand why thats not seen as being racially offensive aswell. Yes Jade & co used disgusting language towards Shilpa (and behind her back) and it was wrong, but wasn't Jermaine also wrong in what he said??
I still feel that it was a girls argument that got completely out of hand, insults were hurled (the nastiest of remarks are normally said during an argument in order to try and "win" the argument) and it was then used by C4 for their own benefit. C4 are raking it in with this and I personally think that C4 should have put a stop to this a long time ago, far before efigies were burnt abroad, and now with this possible protest in London - there are serious consequences arising - something which C4 could have prevented in a lot of respects.
Edit: Just want to add: Watching Friday Night Project and they just made a very disparaging comment against Jackiey Goody and her paralysed arm - are Channel 4 in the Lets have a dig at everyone who either has a disability or isn't white on their shows these days?! This is another remark made, just after they showed a picture of Shilpa with bleach on her face and compared her to Michael Jackson - acceptable?? :angry:
Behemoth
20-01-2007, 09:18
Jade doesn't seem to have the mental capacity to realise that 5million people are watching her. She should have learnt from BB3 that any small comment you make on the show can be blown well out of proportion and all your actions are scrutinised. When the penny finally did drop it was too late and the damage was done. Jade was right when she said that BB was the start of her career and BB is going to be the end of it.
soapyclean
22-01-2007, 20:08
Jade is being made the scapegoat for C4 bosses to get away with what they have done, as Jade said they should've pulled her up when it happened not hours if not the next day about it.
She has got brains but as she said when she gets into an arguement she doesnt always realise what comes out of her mouth. Who of us does know what comes out of our mouths when we argue? especially when someone stands there winding us up and looking as though butter wouldnt melt in their mouths?
daverage
22-01-2007, 20:51
The trouble is that Jade does not have the vocabulary to express her feelinfs. Therefore she had to shout the odds. Any rasicm was, I think, unintentional. She just clashed with Shilpa and had no other way of expressing it!
Now that we've had all the Ofcom inquries etc, Channel 4 have been forced to release the transcripts they said never happened. They make for some interesting reading
The blog: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/05/why_ofcoms_celebrity_big_broth.html
The transcript: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Media/documents/2007/05/24/CBBtranscript.pdf
The release by Channel 4 of a transcript revealing late night conversations between housemates with extremely racist language is shocking. Not so much what they were saying, though it's a handy reminder of just how vile some of their behaviour was, but what truly appalls is that during all that debate over '"are they racist or not?", nobody saw fit to bring these unseen incidents to the public's attention. Worse, the existence of such events, even such a transcript, was denied vociferously.
Enough people in the production process were aware of these incidents for those housemates involved to have been called to the diary room and asked to explain them. Jo O'Meara and Jack Tweed were given formal warnings. Viewers weren't told about this.
I found them quite interesting - to be frank - Cleo's name didn't seem to come up in any of the allegations that were made at all, and it also proves to me that Jade also ended up being the scapegoat for something they ALL should have had major repurcurssions for.
Interesting how BB wouldn't answer Jack when asked if it was in the papers aswell - was it that they didn't want him walking and would therefore not be honest with him? More about the show than peoples feelings maybe (inc Shilpa's)
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