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From today's Sunday Mirror
TRAGIC PAULINE GETS BRAIN TUMOUR
EXCLUSIVE
By Suzanne Kerins
PAULINE Fowler is to be killed off in EastEnders after developing an "inoperable brain tumour".
The Albert Square battleaxe, played by Wendy Richard, will die on Christmas Day.
Bosses are desperate to keep the details of the storyline under wraps. But the Sunday Mirror can reveal Pauline - who has worked in the launderette throughout her time on the soap - will NOT die from the brain tumour.
Instead scriptwriters are working on an even more dramatic :rolleyes: finale.
A TV source said: "Pauline finds out she has this tumour. But, although it is terminal, that is not how she passes away." The insider added that, even before learning of the tumour, Pauline survives a house fire.
Wendy, 63, announced she was quitting the show earlier this year. She is one of the last of the original cast still left, along with Adam Woodyatt and June Brown.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-10-2006, 10:36
I hope they make this a good exit, she deserves it, shes put so much into that show so it needs to be something really spectacular however i doubt that some how
I hope they make this a good exit, she deserves it, shes put so much into that show so it needs to be something really spectacular however i doubt that some how Yer she reaslly does deserve it plus she has been on the show a long time too
enthuanisa - joe/dot - oh how repetitive - yawns :rolleyes:
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-10-2006, 11:12
Yer she reaslly does deserve it plus she has been on the show a long time too
Yeah she has been there forever so i really hope they do it justice or else they are gunna make fans angry and possibly lose more viewers
enthuanisa - joe/dot - oh how repetitive - yawns :rolleyes:
Ray who BB?
It was Ethel who decided to kill herself; not Dot.
Yeah she has been there forever so i really hope they do it justice or else they are gunna make fans angry and possibly lose more viewers
I can't see that being a problem myself. Most of the older fans that would remember Pauline as she was have stopped watching because they remember clearly better storylines. It would seem that much of the younger audience can't wait to see the back of her.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-10-2006, 11:27
I can't see that being a problem myself. Most of the older fans that would remember Pauline as she was have stopped watching because they remember clearly better storylines. It would seem that much of the younger audience can't wait to see the back of her.
Well i cant wait for her to go but i still think she should have a good exit or it just wont be right
Yeah; can't say it is likely knowing Eastenders' anyway.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-10-2006, 11:41
Nope i can sense it will be a let down
An inoperable brain tumour yawn yawn yawn and she doesn't dies from the brain tumour Eastenders STOP recycling your rubbish storylines we went through alll this with Tom Sharon's boring fiance :angry: and they throw in a house fire how god damn predictable
Mr Humphries
01-10-2006, 12:12
What an awful storyline for an east end legend to leave on !! :angry:
This is all rumour. Gary Bushell said it was a heart attack. Nobody knows yet. And even if it is true, how do you all know it will be repetitive or rubbish.
It's all too easy to bash EE these days. Let's wait and see before making assumptions.
MadGamer
01-10-2006, 15:16
I really think she should have left ages ago, she's getting boring now.
O i didnt realise it was rumour, o i hope its something else and more exciting
littlemo
01-10-2006, 16:07
Maybe Joe could kill her?! It could turn out that him wife dying wasn't euthanasia, and that she didn't actually give her consent to it.
Or perhaps it could be Sonia. There have been rumours going around about that. Who would blame her?!
I think Wendy Richard is a good actress, she plays Pauline well and deserves a good exit storyline.
lollymay
01-10-2006, 16:44
i hope she gets a good exit - unlike some of the exits that have happened this year.
DaVeyWaVey
01-10-2006, 19:19
I wish Pauline wouldn't die on Christmas Day!! It's meant to be the festive period, why can't Eastenders be happy on that day for a change?? :rolleyes:
Anyway, i hope she gets a good exit, i fear that Eastenders will try too hard to make her exit dramatic and it will turn into a let down.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-10-2006, 19:30
Its Eastenders they wouldnt know dramatic if it hit them in the face :rotfl: we can only hope they will do well with this one cant we
how do you all know it will be repetitive or rubbish. . Previous experience of rubbish storylines
It's all too easy to bash EE these days. Yes the writers make it so easy by churning out cack
EE Rocks
01-10-2006, 20:28
I heard about this today. I cant wait, i love X-mas on EE. IMO no other soap can beat/do it like EE on x-mas. I will be watching Hollyoaks and Eastenders. I think at the end they should show Arthur's bench.
Pinkbanana
01-10-2006, 20:32
I think at the end they should show Arthur's bench.
I wouldnt be surprised if they had her dying whilst sitting on Arthur's bench! That or up at the allotment!
Its going to be a sad affair when the satsuma finally goes......:(
I wouldnt be surprised if they had her dying whilst sitting on Arthur's bench! That or up at the allotment!
Its going to be a sad affair when the satsuma finally goes......:(
They should put up a plaque in the Launderette
In Memory Of
Pauline Fowler
She Loved This Place
Chris_2k11
02-10-2006, 00:43
Just another happy cheery xmas on Albert Square then. :)
Chris_2k11
02-10-2006, 00:50
Its going to be a sad affair when the satsuma finally goes......:(I certainly won't be shedding any tears! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Xx-Vicky-xX
02-10-2006, 11:27
They should put up a plaque in the Launderette
In Memory Of
Pauline Fowler
She Loved This Place
:rotfl: Thats very funny, i think its a brill idea :rotfl:
I certainly won't be shedding any tears! :rotfl: :rotfl: That just shows how poorly thought of EE is now. Years ago it would have been regarded as unthinkable for Fowler the Growler to leave the Square. She was and still should be one of the lynch-pins of the show. However the present audience are more concerned about nonentitities like the late Mr Woodman or Stacey and Squiggle
Chris_2k11
02-10-2006, 16:09
That just shows how poorly thought of EE is now. Years ago it would have been regarded as unthinkable for Fowler the Growler to leave the Square. She was and still should be one of the lynch-pins of the show. However the present audience are more concerned about nonentitities like the late Mr Woodman or Stacey and SquiggleDon't get me wrong alan I know she will be a loss to the show, but she's hardly a character to cry over in my opinion. Neither were people like Dennis when he died. As for someone like Tiffany, I found her death quite sad. :) And as for been concerned about characters like Stacey & Squiggle, I can't say I am that much. :) Infact I think Stacey in particular gets way too much screen time these days.
Just another happy cheery xmas on Albert Square then. :)
Exacly what i was thinking. And there was me thinking christmas was a hppy family time. (with lots of alcohol)
Xx-Vicky-xX
02-10-2006, 17:47
Don't get me wrong alan I know she will be a loss to the show, but she's hardly a character to cry over in my opinion. Neither were people like Dennis when he died. As for someone like Tiffany, I found her death quite sad. :) And as for been concerned about characters like Stacey & Squiggle, I can't say I am that much. :) Infact I think Stacey in particular gets way too much screen time these days.
I think Tiff's death was sad cos it was back in atime where Eastenders killed people offwell but Dennis' death was a let down and no doubt Pauline's will be aswell
sounds interesting, maybe Martin helps her die
Richie_lecturer
03-10-2006, 11:04
That just shows how poorly thought of EE is now. Years ago it would have been regarded as unthinkable for Fowler the Growler to leave the Square. She was and still should be one of the lynch-pins of the show.
Indeed, and Dot will probably retire soon, Ian will probably leave in a few years too, and that would leave just Pat, and even she has been neglected despite the arrival of some long lost relatives of hers that came out of, well, nowhere. :rolleyes:
EE are losing the lynchpins and replacing them with lynchmobs.
Indeed, and Dot will probably retire soon, Ian will probably leave in a few years too, and that would leave just Pat, and even she has been neglected despite the arrival of some long lost relatives of hers that came out of, well, nowhere. :rolleyes:
EE are losing the lynchpins and replacing them with lynchmobs.
I totally agree with you. EE are treating their long term characters very badly. They are the lynchpins. Yes, we have some new characters who have potential, but how can you care or invest in characters that have been there two minutes. Denise, Squiggle, Kevin, Max and Tanya are good but they are outweighed by the Dawn, Carly, Deano, Chelsea, SJ, Sid lot. They've also gone back to concentrating too much on certain characters while other disappear for weeks. And why are we having yet another fight between Phil and Ian or Minty being taken for a ride yet again. This is the Minty who used to run those awful flats and was a nasty piece of work.
Back to Pauline. I don't even know why they bothered to marry the character off. It has hardly been a marriage, you never see the characters together. I'm not saying that Wendy Richard should run the show with her demands but would it have hurt them to listen to someone who has played a character for over 20 years. They would have been better leaving Derek with them as a friend for her. A woman in her 60s who was totally devoted to her Arthur with a male companion who was simply a friend. That worked much better.
I'm trying to remain positive about EE, but the storylines and the writing are still poor.
Richie_lecturer
03-10-2006, 14:29
You know, we often disagree on many things, particularly on Sonia, but for once, I totally agree with you. Great post. :clap: :)
Johnny Allen
03-10-2006, 15:35
I never liked Wendy Richards or her character Pauline Fowler so to be honest Im not that bothered about her going. But I do hope she goes out in style.
Mr Humphries
14-10-2006, 12:09
I totally agree with you. EE are treating their long term characters very badly. They are the lynchpins. Yes, we have some new characters who have potential, but how can you care or invest in characters that have been there two minutes. Denise, Squiggle, Kevin, Max and Tanya are good but they are outweighed by the Dawn, Carly, Deano, Chelsea, SJ, Sid lot. They've also gone back to concentrating too much on certain characters while other disappear for weeks. And why are we having yet another fight between Phil and Ian or Minty being taken for a ride yet again. This is the Minty who used to run those awful flats and was a nasty piece of work.
Back to Pauline. I don't even know why they bothered to marry the character off. It has hardly been a marriage, you never see the characters together. I'm not saying that Wendy Richard should run the show with her demands but would it have hurt them to listen to someone who has played a character for over 20 years. They would have been better leaving Derek with them as a friend for her. A woman in her 60s who was totally devoted to her Arthur with a male companion who was simply a friend. That worked much better.
I'm trying to remain positive about EE, but the storylines and the writing are still poor.
I forgot about him being nasty ! When he used to give Janine a hard time for rent etc/...
I sincerely hope that as the commitment has been made to kill her off that it is done in style and sincerely wish that Michelle would come back for the funeral.
Richie_lecturer
14-10-2006, 23:19
I hope they bring back Kenny Beale as well. :cheer:
Mr Humphries
15-10-2006, 09:13
Who the hell is Kenny Beale ? Never heard of that one Ritchie Poppet
Kenny was the brother in New Zealand wasn't he??
crazygirl
15-10-2006, 19:09
yes he was....but he was never in e/e was he?
Mr Humphries
15-10-2006, 20:04
I must have been asleep when this happened because have no memory of it what so ever !:searchme:
Richie_lecturer
15-10-2006, 22:47
He was briefly in it in the late 80s. I remember Pauline going off to visit him in the early 90s too.
Mr Humphries
04-11-2006, 08:16
Something Juicy I Found:
EASTENDERS star Wendy Richard will talk about her career to Gloria Hunniford for the first time since filming her last scene.The legendary actress, 63, has been lined up as one of Gloria’s first guests on her Biography Channel series. Wendy left the BBC1 soap last week — and her explosive exit as Pauline Fowler will be shown on Christmas Day.
This interview will be shown of Boxing Day On The Biography Channel at 9.00pm
(Have a feeling this could be good like Barbara Windsor's was, she is bound to tell some big secrets, like Barbara Windsor did about Sid James)
I am not buying this whole death story with her, I read somewhere un-confirmed that she does not die and yet she goes to live with Michelle ! (Webcam was covered up for 3 days running)
babyblue
04-11-2006, 11:59
I read something (maybe it was on here I can't remember) that she fakes the brain tumour to stop martin and sonia getting back together. People try and raise money for an op for her but then she gets found out and ends up locking herself in her house on her own. Maybe she pops some pills.
I read something (maybe it was on here I can't remember) that she fakes the brain tumour to stop martin and sonia getting back together. People try and raise money for an op for her but then she gets found out and ends up locking herself in her house on her own. Maybe she pops some pills.
That was originally in The Sun. I can't see them doing that; granted they're not known for great exits, but that is in no way as explosive as they're saying, and would not do the character justice, as she has been in it since the beginning.
crystalsea
07-12-2006, 13:10
According to TV Choice - When the whole square is aware of her deception about her tumour, she announces that she's selling Martin's stall to the council (i thought that was in Martin's name when Mark signed it over to him) and smacks Joe over the head with a plate (that should be interesting to watch) and then tells martin she is leaving Walford for good on Christmas Day!
According to TV Choice - When the whole square is aware of her deception about her tumour, she announces that she's selling Martin's stall to the council (i thought that was in Martin's name when Mark signed it over to him) and smacks Joe over the head with a plate (that should be interesting to watch) and then tells martin she is leaving Walford for good on Christmas Day! Sounds entertaining but i just cant wait till she leaves!!
Sounds entertaining but i just cant wait till she leaves!!
I am with you on this Abbie.. does sound good but please get her out now
I am with you on this Abbie.. does sound good but please get her out now I know she is such a cow and what she is doing to Sonia is just unbeliveable.
Richie_lecturer
07-12-2006, 21:34
smacks Joe over the head with a plate
Rip off of the frying pan on Arfur. :hmm:
Incidentally how can Pauline sell the stall without Martin's consent, as they both jointly own it.
Rip off of the frying pan on Arfur. :hmm:
Incidentally how can Pauline sell the stall without Martin's consent, as they both jointly own it.
And the little Mo trevor iron sequence
Pauline just tell the scriptwriters and they rewrite the law of the land deadenders style
pauline doesn't die from a brain tumor!!
it is all a lie.
crystalsea
12-12-2006, 12:30
Pauline will die alone in the snow under a xmas tree in the square. (ah thats sad) :(
Martin will struggle to come to turns with his grief :crying:
Apparently, Sonia has a bit of a set too with Pauline, but was it enough to cause her death?! :wall:
Sonia is keeping stum that she saw Pauline the night she died. :hmm:
And what did Rebecca see? Because she is starting to play up. :ninja:
JustJodi
12-12-2006, 13:53
Awwwwwwww so Pauline is gonna die under the christmas tree,, that is almost too good for that sour old cow.
Hitting Joe over the head with a plate ,, come on,,shes just acting out cause she was caught lying about her unoperable brain tumour,,
Oh well, I know there are an awful lot of people leaving the first of the year.. wonder how many new people EE is going to bring in to replace the ones that have left,,
Chris_2k11
12-12-2006, 14:37
Personally I think she should die on old Arfur's bench, with the famous fruit bowl on her lap and little Betty sat beside her..... :angel:
"He loved this place" and "she popped her clogs in this place" :cool:
:lol:
Personally I think she should die on old Arfur's bench, with the famous fruit bowl on her lap and little Betty sat beside her..... :angel:
"He loved this place" and "she popped her clogs in this place" :cool:
:lol:
Lol I can just picture that.
Well even though I really do not like her, I think she should die with Betty by her side, I think it would be kinda of sweet.
babyblue
12-12-2006, 14:45
looks like the ol bat will be causing more problems for sonia and martin after she's popped off. Damn will they ever get a happily ever after?
Dr. Tangliss
12-12-2006, 15:20
Awwwwwwww so Pauline is gonna die under the christmas tree,, that is almost too good for that sour old cow.
Hitting Joe over the head with a plate ,, come on,,shes just acting out cause she was caught lying about her unoperable brain tumour,,
Oh well, I know there are an awful lot of people leaving the first of the year.. wonder how many new people EE is going to bring in to replace the ones that have left,,
:rotfl: You're so funny!:rotfl:
I have to admit she is so annoying to even look at nowadays, I can't wait for the sour old faced bint to leave!:cheer:
Richie_lecturer
12-12-2006, 15:49
Personally I think she should die on old Arfur's bench, with the famous fruit bowl on her lap and little Betty sat beside her..... :angel:
"He loved this place" and "she popped her clogs in this place" :cool:
:lol:
And when her nephew Ian leaves, they should add another tribute onto the bench: "Ian Beale, He Loved This Plaice" :cool:
And when her nephew Ian leaves, they should add another tribute onto the bench: "Ian Beale, He Loved This Plaice" :cool:
richie.. that is the lamest joke I have ever heard!!!
Pauline will die alone in the snow under a xmas tree in the square. (ah thats sad) :(
Martin will struggle to come to turns with his grief :crying:
Apparently, Sonia has a bit of a set too with Pauline, but was it enough to cause her death?! :wall:
Sonia is keeping stum that she saw Pauline the night she died. :hmm:
And what did Rebecca see? Because she is starting to play up. :ninja:
Perhaps Sonia's involvement is that she doesn't help Pauline - Pauline could have a heart attack or something and Sonia could just leave her rather than giving her medical attention. It could be that Rebecca witnesses Sonia walking away and leaving Pauline to die - if this came out to Martin....
Dr. Tangliss
15-12-2006, 13:56
That's a thought and would make sense.... Sonia is a nurse afterall, and by not helping Pauline would be going against everything she has been taught...:hmm:
have you seen the piccies? eastenders just looks so brilliant all the tv critics are saying its soap at its best
Dr. Tangliss
16-12-2006, 11:23
I have not seen them yet.................
have you seen the piccies? eastenders just looks so brilliant all the tv critics are saying its soap at its best havent seen them yet, have you seen them? If you have do you think you can post them on here?
Chris_2k11
16-12-2006, 13:38
I've seen some pics of her arguing with Sonia and then stood outside near the tree before she dies.
I think it's going to be a chrimbo to remember down Albert Square folks, i'm looking forward to it! :cool:
Richie_lecturer
16-12-2006, 13:54
I've seen the pics too.
You're right Chris it looks like a Christmas to remember, but will it be for the wrong reasons.....
parkerman
16-12-2006, 14:09
Sadly (?) I shall miss it all as I will be away on holiday over Christmas. Let me know what it was like when I get back, won't you?
I've seen the pics too.
You're right Chris it looks like a Christmas to remember, but will it be for the wrong reasons.....
what you mean? it looks brilliant iguess from all your recent posts your not a ee fan? instead go out of your way to rubbish the show? :lweek:
parkerman
16-12-2006, 14:51
I think it's just that some of us are old enough to remember when Eastenders was well written, well acted and had some terrific story lines. In recent years it has gone down hill at an exponential rate. I'm sure, like me, Richie was a fan and would like to see it back to how it used to be.
i watch eastenders of old via tv nova and let me tell you there is no real difference between the episodes from 1990s to the episodes now
some people just like to moan about ee because they dont like the bbc and i suspect most of you lot are some of these peeps
parkerman
16-12-2006, 14:56
Well that's put me in my place!
I'm sorry that you can't see the difference between Eastenders as it was and Eastenders as it is now. That's probably why the writers don't bother any more.
no there is not much difference
you watch a episode of corrie from 1995 and you can see the show is crap now but you watch a episode of ee from 995 and the show is still more or less the same but with new characters
I personally dont see much of difference apart from the like abiltiy of certain characters with their storylines to what people like and everyone might not agree.
good post abbie:clap: its true and the sooner this group of people who love to slag the show off becauase they have no lives understand that the better
I think the comparisons are from when the old episodes were shown not to how they are percieved nowadays. These days, the older episode would be seen by younger people as boring etc, whereas when us older folk remember watching these back then, they were better in our opinion. It just proves how times change, how what was remembered as shocking back then (Colin/Barry kiss on the cheek for example) would now be seen as nothing to blink your eyes at.
good post abbie:clap: its true and the sooner this group of people who love to slag the show off becauase they have no lives understand that the better I don't think that is the case at all. These people, including myself who has now stopped watching EE, remember what we consider better days, everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it.
i watch eastenders of old via tv nova and let me tell you there is no real difference between the episodes from 1990s to the episodes now
some people just like to moan about ee because they dont like the bbc and i suspect most of you lot are some of these peeps Mmmm Your posts have a certain familiarity about them:hmm:
Its nothing to do with whether or not we like BBC. This thread is nothing to do with the BBC. Its actually about the death of Pauline Fowler. Im glad to see her go. The scriptwriters and storyliners have totally ruined her character just as slowly but surely they have ruine a great programme. Thats why older viewers who remember the halcyon days of EE are turning off in droves. Not some silly idea that we are all anti beeb (sic)
I just think its how there are differnt characters now, and myabe things have chnaged too quickly rather than gradually.
I just think its how there are differnt characters now, and myabe things have chnaged too quickly rather than gradually. Yes with little or no thought to realism. When this happens they usually have one of those head to head episodes where all the plot-holes are covered by some contrived writing.
Anyway back to paulines death...........................
I like it how they've made it really hard to like her up until she dies.
Yes with little or no thought to realism. When this happens they usually have one of those head to head episodes where all the plot-holes are covered by some contrived writing.
like boringdale last night then
like boringdale last night then Again, stay on topic Kinga - this thread is for discussions regarding the storyline of Pauline Fowlers death, not for you to start soap wars.
like boringdale last night then This thread is not about Emmerdale. Its about the current episodes of Eastenders so please do not try and drag other programmes into this thread
Richie_lecturer
16-12-2006, 21:14
Incidentally I watch old episodes from the great TV Nova as well. The difference between 90s soaps is now is quite apparent, but most significantly for EE in my opinion. But that's another discussion altogether...
Its nothing to do with whether or not we like BBC. This thread is nothing to do with the BBC. Its actually about the death of Pauline Fowler. Im glad to see her go. The scriptwriters and storyliners have totally ruined her character just as slowly but surely they have ruine a great programme. Thats why older viewers who remember the halcyon days of EE are turning off in droves. Not some silly idea that we are all anti beeb (sic)
Very well put. I find Pauline's transformation from a moaning old moo who is set in her ways, to a totally evil witch who will wreck other peoples' lives to get her own way absolutely ridiculous. I'm ashamed to say I'm glad this iconic character is going, and that's EE scriptwriting for you these days.
:angry:
Chris_2k11
22-12-2006, 00:40
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/Birks_2k4/Pauline.jpg
JustJodi
22-12-2006, 10:37
Interesting ..... I am sure the undertakers are going to have one hell of a time making her looking presentable,, as some one said the miserable old moo :p
Dr. Tangliss
22-12-2006, 10:43
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/Birks_2k4/Pauline.jpg
Why is it that picture makes me laugh, what with all the fake snow around her.
'Ding dong the witch is dead'
Shame a house did not land on top of her.
JustJodi
22-12-2006, 10:55
Hmmmm couldn't they have positioned the body in a more "DEAD" position ??? Oh well as PINK GRINCH says DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD :cheer:
What does she actually die of in the end anyway?? Does anyone know that? I thought the old brain tumour thing was fake, so therefore, is it just old age and a complete coincidence that she dies after saying she was terminally ill??
Moon Mania
22-12-2006, 11:41
It says in 'The Sun' today that she's dies of a brain heamorage but it's still un-known if it was caused by her fight with Sonia.
It says in 'The Sun' today that she's dies of a brain heamorage but it's still un-known if it was caused by her fight with Sonia.
Sonia didn't hit her so how did the row give her a brain heamorage?? could it been the affects of the fire as she released herself from hospital before getting further checks
Just found this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006580810,00.html)
and
this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2006590380,00.html)
Both of which suggest that Sonia's slap and Paulines then subsequent fall (hitting the table on the way down) could have caused the brain haemorrhage ....
I can't see them making that stick to Sonia - at the end of the day, she slaps her, but its not her that whacks her over the head with the table..
Moon Mania
22-12-2006, 12:14
According to 'The Sun' there is a physical fight and Pauline falls against the sideboard. See below:
TRAGIC Pauline Fowler lies dying under a Christmas tree in a fittingly gloomy end to her life.
Not just a sour face
THE end of Pauline’s moaning will leave a gaping hole in Soapland. We may joke about her depressing ways but Pauline is one of the great soap stalwarts. Adam Woodyatt is now left as the only original 1985 EastEnder. No one does tragedy quite like our Wendy. She will be missed.
The soap legend suffers a brain haemorrhage and collapses in the snow near her beloved Arfur’s bench in Albert Square.
Weeping son Martin (James Alexandrou) discovers her on EastEnders’ Christmas Day episode — sparking a murder inquiry in which his ex-wife Sonia (Natalie Cassidy) is prime suspect.
As we revealed on Wednesday, Sonia wallops Pauline in a blazing row, sending the miserable mother-in-law flying into a sideboard.
Gossip then spreads like wildfire that Sonia has seen off the veteran washer woman.
Police are tipped off and turn up at Pauline’s funeral — then take her body off for an autopsy.
A show insider said: “After her row with Sonia, Pauline decides to go and make up with Martin, who is celebrating Christmas with Dot and Jim Branning. But there is no one home, so she starts to walk home. She collapses in the middle of the square.”
Oh Wow.. didn't know Sonia hit Pauline... oh this is going to be a great episode.. I thought they just had a row..
It says in 'The Sun' today that she's dies of a brain heamorage but it's still un-known if it was caused by her fight with Sonia. Hmmmm Quiet strange although she lied about having a brain tumour she dies of a brain heamorgae. Anyone else think that or is it just me?
Hmmmm Quiet strange although she lied about having a brain tumour she dies of a brain heamorgae. Anyone else think that or is it just me?
What she deserves, but not strange. I did think that when I read it, and thought it was to serve her right. Also, EE has had Audrey Trueman bang her head and die of a brain haemorrhage, so it's usual EE.
Richie_lecturer
22-12-2006, 19:28
Police are tipped off and turn up at Pauline’s funeral — then take her body off for an autopsy.
Absolutely ridiculous. That would never happen in a million years in the middle of a funeral.
I pray that is the elaborate mind of a journalist, though I fear it isn't.
Absolutely ridiculous. That would never happen in a million years in the middle of a funeral.
I pray that is the elaborate mind of a journalist, though I fear it isn't. Quite right Richie.
The funeral could not have taken place without either a death certificate being issued and the death registered or a post mortem having taken place. No doctor would issue a death certificate for someone who had a head injury. The death would be treated as suspicious and referred to the coroner who no doubt would have ordered a post mortem.
Who researches these stories for EE.:searchme: :searchme:
Of course we had the same nonsense a few years back when Barry was murdered. No post mortem and the body cremated on a public holiday in Scotland.
Then again they can bring folks back from the dead in EE so why should the law of the land bother them.:rolleyes:
Chloe O'brien
23-12-2006, 00:53
on the digital spy page there is a picture of Pauline lying dead in front of the xmas tree in the square :hmm:
Just found this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006580810,00.html)
and
this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320029-2006590380,00.html)
If you check out these links Kath, theres a couple more pictures there too :D
JustJodi
23-12-2006, 10:03
So Sonia slaps her ,, that isn't gonna cause her to DIE,, I think she will just die of plain meaness..
Wonder if Rebecca saw what Sonia did ????:searchme:
Just found this (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006580810,00.html)
Well at least someone has given her a well deserved slap.
So Sonia slaps her ,, that isn't gonna cause her to DIE,, I think she will just die of plain meaness..
Wonder if Rebecca saw what Sonia did ????:searchme: I think she did, as from the spoilers I've seen, Rebecca won't speak to Sonia or go near her, and then blurts out that Sonia killed Pauline or something like that
I think she did, as from the spoilers I've seen, Rebecca won't speak to Sonia or go near her, and then blurts out that Sonia killed Pauline or something like that o dear, I wish she could of just died and that was it rather than people get hurt afterwards.
DaVeyWaVey
23-12-2006, 17:52
There was a TV Biz special in the Sun yesterday and it showed a picture of Pauline lying dead in the Square. It said that Pauline argues with Sonia and Pauline hits her head during the argument. Pauline leaves and goes onto the Square only to suffer from a brain haemorrage and collapse in the Square, and she dies.
So Sonia slaps her ,, that isn't gonna cause her to DIE,, I think she will just die of plain meaness..
Wonder if Rebecca saw what Sonia did ????:searchme:
She did - I read a while back that Sonia will be rattled by that discovery, not long after it happens.
i was watching easties last night but didnt notice rebecca in the house, u sure she saw sonia slap pauline?
CrazyLea
26-12-2006, 17:11
Wasn't Rebecca over the pub :searchme: Sonia walked back to the pub on her own, and Rebecca was there when she got back. So that would be unbelievable??
Richie_lecturer
26-12-2006, 17:31
Rebecca was over the pub, ordering herself a Gin & Tonic.
don't forget "someone" left the card of rebecca's outside the house...she could have sneaked out of the pub
Johnny Allen
26-12-2006, 18:40
very mysterious we had the mystery knock atPaulines door, we had her coming out of her house seemingly like she was dazzed, what has happened? did someone do something ?thought it was pretty gripping last night.
CrazyLea
26-12-2006, 18:41
Ah yes! That is a very good point! I didn't even think of that.
Chris_2k11
26-12-2006, 19:30
What I want to know is why it's been so hyped up over the past few months. I thought this was supposed to be 'TV moment of the year' ? Even Mike's Baldwin's death scene was better done, and that's saying something.
Richie_lecturer
26-12-2006, 23:34
Well that's understandable. She's not only been in EE since day 1, but Wendy Richard had several big roles in big shows before EastEnders, notably Are You Being Served? She's well known, and the hype and build up comes with it I suppose...
Now I come tothink of it - what happened to the random person that was being used as Martha in that scene? I seem to remember that they paid £100 for a taxi to get the coat to filming because the actress who played her leaked the plot, and Wendy wanted her in the last scene.
babyblue
27-12-2006, 16:37
very mysterious we had the mystery knock atPaulines door, we had her coming out of her house seemingly like she was dazzed, what has happened? did someone do something ?thought it was pretty gripping last night.
see this is why I'm confused as to how rebecca saw the slap. If she knocked and left the card how did she see the slap since sonia left before that? Unless she came to give the card...saw the slap...ran off then came back and left the card. That's a serious case of imcompetant parenting letting your child run out all over like that without noticing.
I was seriously underwhelmed by pauline's exit...it didn't seem very emotional at all. It just sort of happened.
Richie_lecturer
27-12-2006, 18:53
Amazing how 5 year old Rebecca was able to escape the Vic, drop off a card and witness a slap (she would have had to enter the house to see the incident as the windows were boarded up), then go back to the Vic, without Martin, or anybody else noticing. :thumbsdow
Marie Atkinson
27-12-2006, 18:59
The death was crap.
Info for you thicko's
Sonia was in the house slapped Pauline - Rebecca see's this via window leaves card outside. Sonia leaves then the viewers see the card.
Someone knocks at the door. Everything is led to believe its the taxi man but its not.
Pauline comes out of the house later all dizzy and tries to get over to Dot's. When she realises no one is there she tries to get over to the Vic but its too late.
CrazyLea
27-12-2006, 19:00
Yeah but like Richie said, the windows were boarded up. She must be a really special child :rolleyes:
Chris_2k11
27-12-2006, 19:10
Info for you thicko'sHow kind :)
Yeah but like Richie said, the windows were boarded up. She must be a really special child :rolleyes:
Pauline's window's were not boarded up????
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8159/550x366eastxmas06pic02ei6.jpg
People need to pay attention.
I thought it was great how Albert square was the only place lucky enough to have snow christmas day !!
Everyone goes quiet when I post the proof!
People really do need to pay attention to EastEnders that way they won't miss the importnat details.
babyblue
27-12-2006, 20:14
it's not the whole windows thing, it's the card thing for me. If she was there to leave the card when she saw sonia slap pauline how come sonia didn't see it on the way out...or am I just getting pedantic here. I thought the knock was rebecca coming back later to give her the card and if that's the case someone might need to buy rebecca a baby leash :P
rebecca would be too little to see in the window, plus there is net curtains which are used so that people looking in the window have to get very close to see. Either rebecca has xray eyes or she has grown miraculously.
CrazyLea
27-12-2006, 21:32
Yeah, and them net curtains were really thick. I'd say near enough impossible to see through, with the window there too.
Richie_lecturer
27-12-2006, 21:56
Everyone goes quiet when I post the proof!
Or is it because people are offline....
That must be the one unboarded window. That doesn't explain how Rebecca got to the house (and back). Why would she look in the window anyway? I expect those thick curtains were closed as well as it was dark outside.
I thought that only the door panes were actually boarded?
Tracy Carter
28-12-2006, 10:27
Or is it because people are offline....
That must be the one unboarded window. That doesn't explain how Rebecca got to the house (and back). Why would she look in the window anyway? I expect those thick curtains were closed as well as it was dark outside.
Because when the light is on you can see in. You can't even post the correct info. furry fur
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f387/eescreenies/XMAS%20DAY/PDVD_067.jpg
bye :banned:
Dr. Tangliss
28-12-2006, 10:41
What I am surprised about is why would Rebecca leave Pauline a card by herself? Martin and the rest were in the Vic, Sonia was with Pauline?
EASTENDER Pauline Fowler WAS murdered, TV Biz can reveal — and here are the top five suspects.
Nearly 11million viewers tuned in to see the downtrodden miseryguts die of a brain haemorrhage on Christmas Day.
Cops will launch a murder probe when they storm her funeral and take her body away for an autopsy.
Bookies Ladbrokes have listed odds on the suspects for punters wanting to test their own Cluedo-style theories in soapland’s hottest whodunnit.
Most reckon Pauline’s feisty daughter-in-law Sonia (Natalie Cassidy) did it. She is 2/1 favourite.
Pauline (Wendy Richard) died after Sonia whacked her in the middle of a row. Pauline hated Sonia and blamed her for her son’s marriage woes . . . but is she just a classic red herring?
Other regulars with possible motives for murdering Pauline are her son Martin (James Alexandrou) and her hubby Joe Macer (Ray Brooks), both at 3/1. Martin was fuming with Pauline for lying about having a brain tumour and planning to leave him for a fresh start in America.
Pauline’s own marriage went downhill after she found out Joe was a convicted burglar.
Also in the frame are Peggy Mitchell (Barbara Windsor) at 10/1, and Dot Cotton (June Brown) at 20/1.
Peggy hated Pauline after she threw a fundraising party for her — only to discover she was lying about being ill. Then Dot rowed with Pauline just before her death as she tried to persuade her NOT to leave Albert Square.
The killer is revealed on the Beeb soap in February.
so the killer is revealed at the same time as Joe leaves?I think he goes in Feb doesnt he?
hmmmm :hmm: coincidence?
A post mortem should have been carried out to establish the cause of death before the funeral was allowed to take place anyway. Who actually certified her dead ???? Doc Martin Fowler. This was a sudden and unexpected death which should have been reported to the coroner. If the Growler had not seen her GP for 28 days prior to her death and she was not suffering from a life threatening disease then the GP could NOT have issued a death certificate allowing the funeral to take place.
Yet another ill researched storyline.:rolleyes:
Richie_lecturer
28-12-2006, 23:26
Or is it because people are offline....
That must be the one unboarded window. That doesn't explain how Rebecca got to the house (and back). Why would she look in the window anyway? I expect those thick curtains were closed as well as it was dark outside.
Because when the light is on you can see in. You can't even post the correct info. furry fur
That doesn't tell me anything. You cannot see through those curtains. A couple of tiny speckles of light from the house aren't enough for anyone to see what's going on. You wouldn't even be able to make out a shadow.
babyblue
29-12-2006, 09:55
if it's murder it's joe. Sonia only slapped her and martin was in the vic. Plus like it's been said joe is leaving soon. I don't see dot or peggy doing it either.
I think it's Joe, in that case. At first I think he was struggling to cope with the fact that he'd murdered her (if it was him) and started saying he's glad she's dead and everything. Then by going to the funeral he might actually think that people would think that it was heat of the moment over the past few days, when he said he was glad that she is dead, and that he said that.
I can't see why they'd go to the trouble of lining up these suspects if it was Sonia, seeing as she did hit her.
Richie_lecturer
03-01-2007, 17:51
Sonia's not that dim. Why is she setting herself up for a fall? She's dropped herself right in it.
Sonia is arrested but later released without charge (lack of evidence), not that Martin believes she is innocent of course...
Anyone could have killed her.. I don't think it was Sonia but as she did hit her, maybe Sonia thinks she did do it. But it Pauline could have been poisoned by others as there was a few in house throughout the day...
Sonia's not that dim. Why is she setting herself up for a fall? She's dropped herself right in it.
Sonia is arrested but later released without charge (lack of evidence), not that Martin believes she is innocent of course...Well MARIIIIIN should know. After all he is a gifted child. Has he not got ultrasonic hearing powers and great power to smell smoke. Recently he show us his talents as a Doctor. So if he finks it wuz Sonia wot dun it he must be right:rolleyes:
SeanMichael
04-01-2007, 17:35
Martin is such a moron I can't stand him. "Mum........Mum........she's dead"? How did he know she's dead he never even checked Pauline's pulse. Rubbish exit for a great character. I can't stand sonia either she is a selfish b*tch. can I write that?:searchme:
Martin is such a moron I can't stand him. "Mum........Mum........she's dead"? How did he know she's dead he never even checked Pauline's pulse. Rubbish exit for a great character. I can't stand sonia either she is a selfish b*tch. can I write that?:searchme:
Totally agree, he needs to drop his little boy lost act, and quickly. I hate him, he just looks like such a little kid, I don't know who's worse, him or Ben. Sonia's eyes look as if they're going to pop out of her head the whole time and her attitude is really trying my patience.
he needs to drop his little boy lost act, and quickly. I hate him, he just looks like such a little kid, I don't know who's worse, him or Ben. Sonia's eyes look as if they're going to pop out of her head the whole time and her attitude is really trying my patience.I think Ben is the best of the three of them.Natalie Cassidy is woeful
I am just wondering, is it murder??? Seriously, if a person dies at a later stage as a result of them falling over from a slap you gave them, is that murder? She didn't intent to kill her!!!
Seriously, Pauline could have died at anytime or is it instant (or close enough)... what happened if she died 3 days later as a result, is that still murder?
I am confused over this.. it was an accident, there was no intent to kill her and the slap was just heat of the moment to wake Pauline up!!! Can Sonia be tried for murder? I dont' even think it was manslaughter
I am just wondering, is it murder??? Seriously, if a person dies at a later stage as a result of them falling over from a slap you gave them, is that murder? She didn't intent to kill her!!!
Seriously, Pauline could have died at anytime or is it instant (or close enough)... what happened if she died 3 days later as a result, is that still murder?
I am confused over this.. it was an accident, there was no intent to kill her and the slap was just heat of the moment to wake Pauline up!!! Can Sonia be tried for murder? I dont' even think it was manslaughter
For a charge of murder to apply the person needs to die within a year and a day of the alleged incident. If it was proved that Pauline died as a result of the blow on the head the Sonia could be charged with Murder. However the prosecution would have to prove Sonia intended to kill Pauline with the blow. So if it was Sonia who struck the 'fatal' blow she would probably be charged with murder which in all probability be reduced to Manslaughter in the Crown Court.
Then again different laws apply in EE so anything could happen. She really needs to contact the Magnificent Mitchells and they can sort her out with a dodgy brief and afew corrupt forensic officers as well as a couple of bent absent minded policemen:rolleyes:
I think it would be too obvious if Sonia did it. I believe it was Joe! Did anyone see how he said to Dot that she did the right thing? I hope it actually wern't Sonia because that would just ruin it.
Richie_lecturer
05-01-2007, 22:05
Then again different laws apply in EE so anything could happen. She really needs to contact the Magnificent Mitchells and they can sort her out with a dodgy brief
Guess what, that's what actually happens. :p :rolleyes:
Chilli05
05-01-2007, 22:47
A post mortem should have been carried out to establish the cause of death before the funeral was allowed to take place anyway. Who actually certified her dead ???? Doc Martin Fowler. This was a sudden and unexpected death which should have been reported to the coroner. If the Growler had not seen her GP for 28 days prior to her death and she was not suffering from a life threatening disease then the GP could NOT have issued a death certificate allowing the funeral to take place.
Yet another ill researched storyline.:rolleyes:
I agree.
My mum died suddenly at home (she hadn't been ill) and had to have a post mortem. It was revealed she died from a heart attack.
JustJodi
05-01-2007, 23:10
I guess I honestly do not care who killed the miserable old MOO.. but we saw Sonia slap the leathery face, she stumbled, pulled the table cloth and the fruit bowl came crashing down ( guess they did not have carpeting to soften the blow ???) I do not think that SLAP killed that tough old boot.
I am still wondering WHERE was Rebecca in all this??? Standing in the kitchen door ??
Pauline was not a YOUNG WOMAN, she was a smoker at one time, and she drank, and I am sure she was not exactly in the best of health, Sonia did say she had high blood pressure ( she could have had a stroke ???) I honestly DO NOT THINK it was murder at all,, I think Pauline died of natural causes and plain meaness...
Then again different laws apply in EE so anything could happen. She really needs to contact the Magnificent Mitchells and they can sort her out with a dodgy brief
Guess what, that's what actually happens. :p :rolleyes:Damn Ive given the EE scriptwriters another idea
:D
How did the EE Police get the power to arrest Screamer Sonia. They have not had the results of the PM yet:searchme:
Oh yes hearsay evidence from a child.
Great research yet again. Well done EE. Gritty realism:rolleyes:
Richie_lecturer
06-01-2007, 18:41
Isn't she arrested on Monday? If the PM results don't come out by then, it will be another huge Fowler-up.
parkerman
06-01-2007, 18:47
She's already been arrested. Friday.
She gets let out on bail then re-arrested when the PM results come through.
Sonia forgave Martin for killing Jamie - something which has been conveniently forgotten in the dialogue so far.
Cornishbabe
06-01-2007, 20:14
She gets let out on bail then re-arrested when the PM results come through.
Sonia forgave Martin for killing Jamie - something which has been conveniently forgotten in the dialogue so far.
Yeh id forgotton about that martin killed her fiance but acts like he does now
Richie_lecturer
06-01-2007, 21:21
Just read she is questioned again on Monday, then formally arrested on Thursday, presumably after the PM results come out.
Just read she is questioned again on Monday, then formally arrested on Thursday, presumably after the PM results come out.
Luckily for her Fill 'The Beetroot Dogger' has obtained the services of a dodgy lawyer so no matter how great the evidence she will probably walk. Whats in in for Fick Fill. Could we see a new side to Sonia's sexuality. Shes tried Lebianism so maybe she fancies joing Fill in his nocturnal car park activities:sick: :sick:
parkerman
07-01-2007, 11:02
You paint such a romantic picture, Alan...:rotfl:
You paint such a romantic picture, Alan...:rotfl:
Well can you think of another reason why Fill Mitchell should employ a lawyer for the Strumpet with a Trumpet
parkerman
07-01-2007, 11:10
I think their relationship goes back to the days of their mutual mourning for Jamie...although it hasn't been very apparent recently.
I think their relationship goes back to the days of their mutual mourning for Jamie...although it hasn't been very apparent recently.I thought that ended when she took up with Martin the Moron
parkerman
07-01-2007, 11:16
Yes, you could be right. But perhaps that's why he's willing to help her now. He's probably quite impressed that she murdered Pauline...:hmm:
JustJodi
07-01-2007, 12:14
Honestly why on earth should FILL give a hoot or hollar about whiney ol Sonia...but again I can't figure out half of the story lines that EE has ground out the past 5 yrs,, :searchme:
How can they RE ARREST her ???,, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE that she had something to do with Growlers death???
For once it would be nice :rolleyes: if they had a well written story line from the EE scribblers...:rolleyes:
Honestly why on earth should FILL give a hoot or hollar about whiney ol Sonia...but again I can't figure out half of the story lines that EE has ground out the past 5 yrs,, :searchme:
How can they RE ARREST her ???,, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE that she had something to do with Growlers death???
For once it would be nice :rolleyes: if they had a well written story line from the EE scribblers...:rolleyes:
Very few people can figure out the last 5 years of EE
They had no evidence to arrest Sonia in the first place but hey !!! this is Walford:rolleyes:
They have no evidence that the Orange Growler was murdered but prsumably this will come after the Post Mortem
We can live in hope that the PC scribblers down Elstree way will surprise us all some day with a well written storyline
The Walford police last year had Phil Mitchell as a burglar in possesion of a firearm with plenty of witnesses yet he supposedly bribed the Metropolitan Police, Crown prosecution Service, Forensic service, the Prison Service not to mention various witnesses and gets off. Sonia gets arrested on the hearsay word of a little kiddie about the death of a person whom the police have not even established was murdered
No wonder EE is slipping down the ratings when they cannot even get it right for the departure of one of the squares longest serving charactyers:rolleyes: :mad:
Who'd have thought, even after death the old bag is causing all this controversy :rotfl:
Who'd have thought, even after death the old bag is causing all this controversy :rotfl:
The only controversy is Why did the idiots at Elstree destroy one of their longest serving and at one time best loved characters turning her into a wicked old crone and giving her a departure which even Drossroads would have been disappointed with:mad: :mad:
Soaponarope
07-01-2007, 16:34
Honestly why on earth should FILL give a hoot or hollar about whiney ol Sonia...but again I can't figure out half of the story lines that EE has ground out the past 5 yrs,, :searchme:
How can they RE ARREST her ???,, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE that she had something to do with Growlers death???
For once it would be nice :rolleyes: if they had a well written story line from the EE scribblers...:rolleyes:
Very few people can figure out the last 5 years of EE
They had no evidence to arrest Sonia in the first place but hey !!! this is Walford:rolleyes:
They have no evidence that the Orange Growler was murdered but prsumably this will come after the Post Mortem
We can live in hope that the PC scribblers down Elstree way will surprise us all some day with a well written storyline
The Walford police last year had Phil Mitchell as a burglar in possesion of a firearm with plenty of witnesses yet he supposedly bribed the Metropolitan Police, Crown prosecution Service, Forensic service, the Prison Service not to mention various witnesses and gets off. Sonia gets arrested on the hearsay word of a little kiddie about the death of a person whom the police have not even established was murdered
No wonder EE is slipping down the ratings when they cannot even get it right for the departure of one of the squares longest serving charactyers:rolleyes: :mad:
Yes they did. Sonia told Martin she hit Sonia!
Ha ha ha :rotfl: :lweek:
parkerman
07-01-2007, 20:13
Yes they did. Sonia told Martin she hit Sonia!
Ha ha ha :rotfl: :lweek:
What? She hit herself? What for?:confused:
Honestly why on earth should FILL give a hoot or hollar about whiney ol Sonia...but again I can't figure out half of the story lines that EE has ground out the past 5 yrs,, :searchme:
How can they RE ARREST her ???,, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE that she had something to do with Growlers death???
For once it would be nice :rolleyes: if they had a well written story line from the EE scribblers...:rolleyes:
The evidence appears to be that Rebecca, a 5 year old, told Dot that she saw it. I suppose they think they can get away with it, they must think the post mortem results would be back before they would have to release her, if she was only under caution, so hey, why not add a bit of drama to the storyline? Makes up for lack of justice done to Wendy on the exit scene and the marriage, or so they probably think.
Xx-Vicky-xX
07-01-2007, 22:22
Honestly why on earth should FILL give a hoot or hollar about whiney ol Sonia...but again I can't figure out half of the story lines that EE has ground out the past 5 yrs,, :searchme:
How can they RE ARREST her ???,, do they have CONCRETE EVIDENCE that she had something to do with Growlers death???
For once it would be nice :rolleyes: if they had a well written story line from the EE scribblers...:rolleyes:
I am guessing Phil helps Sonia because its what Jamie would have wanted - when she was depressed after her split with Naomi and then started drinking Phil told her to pull herself together and he said that because he knew Jamie would not want to see her behaving like that so this is probably because Jamie asked Phil to look after her, however if thats not why then i don't have a clue why
parkerman
08-01-2007, 09:46
Perhaps Fick Fill finks that Sonia is a criminal mastermind having engineered the death of Pauline and he feels he ought to keep in with her as there is no knowing what else she is capable of....perhaps....er....:confused:
I'm still amazed that two Dr's certified the Growler dead she was found dead in the street for goodness sake. This should have been treated as suspicious and the Coroner informed. It amazes me how they diagnosed a brain haemorrage. Furthermore after the long overdue PM is carried out and then its established the the Growler was murdered then I hope the second funeral is not a cremation. This would be illegal, (well it would be in the real world)
Lets face it EE have not got a good record when it comes to death have they. Barry and Den (twice) being the prime examples:rolleyes:
Richie_lecturer
08-01-2007, 12:02
I am sure that you can't be arrested and taken away for questioning, in anything other than a patrol car. Yet in the omnibus yesterday, Sonia was taken away in a normal vehicle. Is that another error? :confused:
I am sure that you can't be arrested and taken away for questioning, in anything other than a patrol car. Yet in the omnibus yesterday, Sonia was taken away in a normal vehicle. Is that another error? :confused:
Surprisingly no. The CID officers do not normally arrive in liveried vehicle. True they do sometimes have uniform back-up but as long as they properly identify themselves as police officers then they can arrest someone albeit on the uncorroborated evidence of a kiddie
JustJodi
08-01-2007, 13:59
I am sure that you can't be arrested and taken away for questioning, in anything other than a patrol car. Yet in the omnibus yesterday, Sonia was taken away in a normal vehicle. Is that another error? :confused:
Surprisingly no. The CID officers do not normally arrive in liveried vehicle. True they do sometimes have uniform back-up but as long as they properly identify themselves as police officers then they can arrest someone albeit on the uncorroborated evidence of a kiddie
Thanks for telling it like it is Alan, because honestly if EE wants to grip their viewers they need to add a bit more realism to it,, I was told last night that the CID officers do not normally CUFF some one when they are taken away?? Can you shed some light on this .. its just interesting to compare American cops and the CID officers :D
I am sure that you can't be arrested and taken away for questioning, in anything other than a patrol car. Yet in the omnibus yesterday, Sonia was taken away in a normal vehicle. Is that another error? :confused:
Surprisingly no. The CID officers do not normally arrive in liveried vehicle. True they do sometimes have uniform back-up but as long as they properly identify themselves as police officers then they can arrest someone albeit on the uncorroborated evidence of a kiddie
Thanks for telling it like it is Alan, because honestly if EE wants to grip their viewers they need to add a bit more realism to it,, I was told last night that the CID officers do not normally CUFF some one when they are taken away?? Can you shed some light on this .. its just interesting to compare American cops and the CID officers :D
In the UK it is not the norm to handcuff suspects unless there is a real danger of them absconding or resorting to violence. There is no hard and fast rule on it and its usually left up to the common sense of the officers involved.
Ok.. after hearing the post mortem results last night, I am now more convinced than ever Pauline killed herself.. From what we saw, Sonia only slapped her but the fruit bowl is broken so here is what I think happened
Sonia slapped Pauline and now she really wants revenge. Pauline calls Martin with the apology (which is fake) and whacks herself on the head (only to cause a bump or injury). She is going to plan to use this to say she is scared of Sonia so Martin will leave her but Pauline hit herself to hard causing her own death
There is no way Sonia killed her!!!!
JustJodi
12-01-2007, 13:57
Shiv what have u been smoking this morning?? :rotfl: How in the merry heck did she whack herself over the head?? Another thing sweetie that confuses me.:searchme: if she died by a blow on the back of her head how come there was no bloody gash on the back of her head she was laying face down and has WHITE HAIR,, where was the bloody evidence?? and no signs of blood in the house,, :hmm:
I am going crazy with the lack of evidence ... of course Sonia didn't kill her, I think Joe did it..........
Shiv what have u been smoking this morning?? :rotfl: How in the merry heck did she whack herself over the head?? Another thing sweetie that confuses me.:searchme: if she died by a blow on the back of her head how come there was no bloody gash on the back of her head she was laying face down and has WHITE HAIR,, where was the bloody evidence?? and no signs of blood in the house,, :hmm:
I am going crazy with the lack of evidence ... of course Sonia didn't kill her, I think Joe did it..........
this is pauline we are talking about.. I mean, Joe was at his daughters and knew nothing about her death.. nobody else was in the house and yet her bowl is mysteriously broken.. I reckon she did whack herself and was going to tell Martin that Sonia has treatened (sp) with more volience if she didn't keep quiet.. it is a theory
Tracey or Winston could have done it!!
parkerman
12-01-2007, 14:14
Winston would never do such a thing. :angel: How dare you! :D
Winston would never do such a thing. :angel: How dare you! :D
He did it for Tracey.. they were going to buy the fowler house together when pauline left but after her run in with Sonia.. Winston overheard her tell martin she was staying (he has super powers, you know) so he ran into the house and whacked her.. The reason you see Tracey crying is cause now martin has the house back. She is mad at Sonia cause she convinced Pauline to stay..
seriously I have no idea what is going on.. the reports say killer will be revealed in Feb so i am convinced it is not Sonia
i really think it's gonna turn out it's joe, he's coming back soon, so it'll be for the reveal.
Av the police said when the actual blow to the head took place? I ask because even though Joe was supposedly at his daughter's house, he may have done it beforehand. Remember when he went 2 Pauline's like a day before and she smashed him round the head with a plate, we don't no exactly what else could have happened that day. Its just a theory, lol
Av the police said when the actual blow to the head took place? I ask because even though Joe was supposedly at his daughter's house, he may have done it beforehand. Remember when he went 2 Pauline's like a day before and she smashed him round the head with a plate, we don't no exactly what else could have happened that day. Its just a theory, lol
Hmm :hmm: Interesting theory, I havent really thought It could of been anyone else apart form sonia.
Footie_Chick
13-01-2007, 18:14
Joe Macer is to be killed off by EastEnders producers as the 'Who killed Pauline?' plot takes a new twist.
Macer - a key suspect in a police investigation of the death - will fall through a window following an argument with Jim Branning, leaving viewers guessing over whether he was murdered or committed suicide.
An insider told The Sun: "The whodunnit is set to carry on. Sonia is the main suspect but then Joe dies, throwing confusion into the mix. Did he kill Pauline? Was he killed himself?"
littlemo
13-01-2007, 18:30
That just sounds really ridiculous! Are they trying to say that Jim is a murderer?! lol.
a complete rip off of Emmerdale, and Jim a murderer!?
If this is true I will switch off watching this drivel, how bad it has gone over the past year! :thumbsdow
Footie_Chick
13-01-2007, 18:45
It came from the digital spy website and the stuff they put on their is usually quite realiable.
littlemo
13-01-2007, 19:20
a complete rip off of Emmerdale, and Jim a murderer!?
If this is true I will switch off watching this drivel, how bad it has gone over the past year! :thumbsdow
I disagree that EE has gone bad. A few storylines are quite "out there", granted. Such as Pauline's death, and the whole situation surrounding Rob/Dawn. But they are dramatic, if nothing else.
But I have to say this Joe thing is silly. If he was responsible for Pauline's death, why didn't he just stay at his daughters?! Why come back? As far as everyone else is concerned he left Pauline, and he wasn't there that night.
Chris_2k11
13-01-2007, 19:23
Blimey that place is turning into a death trap. :)
Another death so soon? Well this storyline is becoming more confusing for me.
Brilliant just what we need yet another Explosive Sensational storyline:rolleyes: EE are so good at doing these
babyblue
13-01-2007, 20:48
maybe he confesses to jim who gets angry that he drove away sonia and rebecca and he pushes him and he goes through a window? Okay far fetched but not completely unplausible.
Chris_2k11
13-01-2007, 20:51
Brilliant just what we need yet another Explosive Sensational storyline:rolleyes: EE are so good at doing theseIt's also set to 'ROCK THE SQUARE' don't forget alan :D
I Find This Storyline Really Stupid. If It Was Joe That Killed Pauline Would He Come Back To Walford Just To Get Caught? I Also Think Jim Will Not Push Him That Is Just Stupid Don't Think Jim Will Kill Him Mind You. The Whole StoryLines Confusing Me Now!
DaVeyWaVey
13-01-2007, 21:16
Joe is gonna fall through a window (copying Emmerdale!) and we're meant to suspect that Jim may be a murderer?!?! :rotfl: EE is just turning into a comedy show, no way is Jim a murderer! This storyline just gets worse and worse...i usually hear of new storylines and think positively about them, but this latest twist sounds ridiculous and makes the whole Who Killed Pauline? saga even more confusing!
Jim...a murderer??!!!
to be perfectly honest....what else would they do with Joe if they didn't kill him off?? Now Pauline's dead and buried, he has no purpose!
Cornishbabe
13-01-2007, 23:04
eastenders is soon to be catching up with the high death rates with holby. and jim a muderer!!!
.:SpIcYsPy:.
13-01-2007, 23:12
Who said EE was going to have a good year this year?! :rotfl: :p
Here we go again..
What a copy from Emmerdale. Anyway, what would Jim and Joe be doing upstairs, 'cause he wouldn't die if it was from the living room. Not a very good way to hint at suicide either; they'd overdose or chuck themselves from a rooftop.
I think id send a warning to the residents. Quick find somewhere else to live. Im surprised they dont just kill off every one and do a brookside.
babyblue
14-01-2007, 11:39
I know it's hard to picture jim as a murderer after recent years but he has had a history of being nasty. When he came in wasn't he an old racist? Plus it's been hinted at through his relationship with his son that he used to quite cruel. That's not to say I think he did it...I just don't think it's hugely far fetched.
Footie_Chick
14-01-2007, 11:42
Very true babyblue, i think people are just saying the way they are doing this storyline is just a copy of Emmerdale.
JustJodi
14-01-2007, 14:14
I think Joe did it, he wants us to believe he was at his daughters, he may have gone, AFTER, he whacked the miserable old Moo over the head, and slipped out the back door and back to his daughters ??? :hmm:
I think Sonia will finally be cleared, but the damage will have already been done !!! Too late for her and Martin to reconcile over all of this, this is just my 2 euro cents worth :searchme:
What copy from Emmerdale. They filmed this ages ago. Ray Brookes left in November, long before Emmerdale was screened. It is pure coincidence.
JustJodi
14-01-2007, 14:47
Jim...a murderer??!!!
to be perfectly honest....what else would they do with Joe if they didn't kill him off?? Now Pauline's dead and buried, he has no purpose!
only problem I have with this comment , is Pauline has NOT been buried yet, they had to yank her back out of the crematorium for a PM, then had a PRAYER/MEMORIAL service for her this past Friday( no funeral ), so she ain't buried yet :rolleyes: :D
JustJodi
14-01-2007, 14:54
I do not think any of the buildings will be high enough to kill Joe..even if he did slip and fall out the window , the fall would not have killed him..
I still think that Joe killed Pauline, remember he is a smooth EX-CON , he fooled every one in Walford about his past,, so how do we not know he is not capable of murder..??
Jim a KILLER,, thats a joke, as he says about Dot,, he wouldn't hurt a fly...:ninja:
If EE keeps this up , Walford is gonna be a ghost town ,,:rolleyes:
Im still unsure but I dont think it will have anything to do with sonia, its way too obvious.
Richie_lecturer
14-01-2007, 22:20
Brilliant just what we need yet another Explosive Sensational storyline:rolleyes: EE are so good at doing theseIt's also set to 'ROCK THE SQUARE' don't forget alan :D
Rock the Square? It couldn't even Rock The Casbah!
Sounds on paper to be another ridiculous 'sensationalist' twist in the utter farce that has followed Pauline's death. :thumbsdow
Footie_Chick
15-01-2007, 11:37
The 'who killed Pauline Fowler?' storyline is set to take a new twist in the coming weeks.
It was revealed some time ago that Ray Brooks, who plays the battleaxe's now widowed husband Joe Macer, would be written out of the show.
But it seems he won't simply be disappearing into the sunset.
Instead, Joe will be killed off in dramatic fashion following an argument with Jim Branning.
Like Emmerdale's Tom King, he will fall through a window to his death.
But has Joe been pushed, or did he jump after becoming one of the chief suspects in Pauline's mysterious demise?
An EastEnders insider told The Sun: "The whodunnit is set to carry on. Sonia is the main suspect but then Joe dies, throwing confusion into the mix."
The plot will also thicken next week when missing Sonia returns to Albert Square - only to be driven away in a police car.
Ray Brooks has had a long and successful career, starring most notably in seminal Sixties drama Cathy Come Home, Big Deal, Growing Pains and Two Thousand Acres of Sky, as well as voicing several children's shows.
He took the role in EastEnders as a tribute to his daughter Emma, who died of cancer. It was her favourite programme.
I know it's hard to picture jim as a murderer after recent years but he has had a history of being nasty. When he came in wasn't he an old racist? Plus it's been hinted at through his relationship with his son that he used to quite cruel. That's not to say I think he did it...I just don't think it's hugely far fetched.
I Find This Storyline Really Stupid. If It Was Joe That Killed Pauline Would He Come Back To Walford Just To Get Caught? I Also Think Jim Will Not Push Him That Is Just Stupid Don't Think Jim Will Kill Him Mind You. The Whole StoryLines Confusing Me Now!
If someone is racist, I think they'd stay that way, so he wouldn't be mates with Patrick, or have been his best man. I think if Joe did it, it would have been better to come back, 'cause he didn't leave that long before she died, so, for all we know, he could of been planning it. Being her husband, he's a key part of it, so he's showing himself as not guilty, and if he didn't return, it would just be a copy of Terry from Emmerdale, so the whole thing would just be too much of an obvious copy.
Jim...a murderer??!!!
to be perfectly honest....what else would they do with Joe if they didn't kill him off?? Now Pauline's dead and buried, he has no purpose!
only problem I have with this comment , is Pauline has NOT been buried yet, they had to yank her back out of the crematorium for a PM, then had a PRAYER/MEMORIAL service for her this past Friday( no funeral ), so she ain't buried yet :rolleyes: :D
She isn't being buried at all, and it's not as if he'd have had much point at the memorial service, 'cause it wasn't the funeral and Pauline didn't actually love him, so I guess it would save EE some money; there's no point having him on a long term contract, after all. Pauline is being cremated, I guess as a way to build the suspense over whether the police would actually stop the funeral, because if it was burial, they could come back and dig her up later.
babyblue
16-01-2007, 21:33
If someone is racist, I think they'd stay that way, so he wouldn't be mates with Patrick, or have been his best man.
In real life yeah :P but characters in soaps tend to mellow...well I guess in real life they do SOMETIMES. I feel like I'm being picky here...I'm not really I'm procrastinating :P
parkerman
17-01-2007, 09:13
I'm procrastinating :P
You can get treatment for that now you know...:D
Copy cat storyline. No doubt there will be a whodunnit on the BBC site just like on the ITV one. O.K sounds good in theory but I can't see Easties carrying it off as well as Emmerdale.
It would of been better if Joe had died of a head injury following the wallop over the head Pauline gave him with the plate, which is the route I thought they would go down.
Johnny Allen
20-01-2007, 09:27
can we stop with the whole copycat thing, all soaps copy each other, its annoying but its hardly like Eastenders was the first to do so.
can we stop with the whole copycat thing, all soaps copy each other, its annoying but its hardly like Eastenders was the first to do so.
Its not the copying of another soap but such an improbable storyline that gets to me
Chris_2k11
20-01-2007, 12:54
How do we know EE copied Emmerdale? For all we know it could have been the other way round.. it all depends on when the storylines were thought up.
exaclty chris, it just so happens Edale showed Tom King first. You never know when Ray decided to anounce he was leaving, it could have been a long time before for all we now. Its also a bit different as its linking with another murder and theres actually a reason. we cant really see the simularitys until the episode is aired as well.
Richie_lecturer
20-01-2007, 16:44
Dot finds out about Joe's deceit.
The window gets broken on Friday.
can we stop with the whole copycat thing, all soaps copy each other, its annoying but its hardly like Eastenders was the first to do so.
Thats very true, they are not always the same but pretty much very simillar and I suppose we cant blame them afterall their is only so many storylines that you can do and not go overbaord.
Lizzie Brookes
23-01-2007, 18:10
I know I'm in the minority but I'm quite glad this has happened and to answer someone's qiuestion if Joe did not return for Puline's funeral it would look suspicious, as soner or later Martin would contact him at his daughters with the news and if he still stayed away people would wonder. No I don;t think Jm is a killer but here's some food for thought. phil's over insistence that Sonia's innocent and the way he helped get her away looks suspicious.
I read in soaplife that the shock in Pauline's will for Martin is that the house is left to him, but only if he adheres to certain conditions. She's made sure Ian will do exactly that, so he lives at the house, does the place up, but he can't handle her ashes being on the mantlepiece, so he decides to leave Walford.
The fruit bowl got broken when Pauline fell onto the table after Sonia slapped her. She was picking up the glass and Sonia tried to help when Martin called her mobile.
On GMTV this morning and in The Mirror they showed pictures of Joe trying to strangle Dot after she realises it was him that killed Pauline!!!
On GMTV this morning and in The Mirror they showed pictures of Joe trying to strangle Dot after she realises it was him that killed Pauline!!!
NO WAY :eek::eek::eek: OMG.. how could he let Sonia get done for it
NO WAY :eek::eek::eek: OMG.. how could he let Sonia get done for it[/QUOTE]
I know!!! Can't believe it - didn't think it would take such a twist - now the whole storyline with him being dead with it either suicide or Jim killing him! He must find him trying to strangle Dot. Can't wait for this to all come out!
so did they say how he killed her? Can't believe he would let it go this far.. Poor Sonia.. and her and Martin are trully finished. she won't even get to see Rebecca. If Joe dies, then how will dot and jim prove he did it?? the police won't believe them, they will say they are doing it to protect Sonia
DaVeyWaVey
25-01-2007, 17:31
On GMTV this morning and in The Mirror they showed pictures of Joe trying to strangle Dot after she realises it was him that killed Pauline!!!
Oh my god! :eek: That's really shocking..i suspected Joe for some time, but i never thought he would strangle Dot! :eek:
He should have owned up to Pauline's death ages ago instead of letting the whole thing spiral out of control with Sonia getting arrested etc.
JustJodi
25-01-2007, 17:39
Oh dear me.........I guessed Joe had something to do with it some time back, guess these spoilers confirmed what I suspected... but I hope he tells Dot how he did it too !!!!!!!!!!! Then at least us VIEWERS will be in the KNOW..
Does any one know when this is to occur ???
:searchme:
babyblue
25-01-2007, 19:34
He hit her over the head with a frying pan apparently.
He hit her over the head with a frying pan apparently.Well it makes a change from an iron or a glass ashtray:)
Was he returning the favour after her plate smashing on his head do you think? What goes around, comes around as they say?! lol
Richie_lecturer
25-01-2007, 22:44
EXCLUSIVE: THE KILLER OF ALBERT SQUARE
HE GOT RID OF PAULINE.. NOW HE'S AFTER DOT
By Nicola Methven, Tv Editor
THIS is the shocking moment when Joe Macer tries to throttle poor old Dot Branning after she discovers that he killed Pauline Fowler.
Dot (June Brown) has puzzled over Pauline's end since she dropped down dead on Christmas Day.
Daughter-in-law Sonia Fowler's in the frame because she slapped Pauline before she died.
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But Dot's not convinced and confronts Pauline's husband Joe (Ray Brooks) who confesses he smashed her over the head with a frying pan after they rowed. Viewers are set for a cracking episode tomorrow as Dot's husband Jim (John Bardon) turns up in the nick of time.
A show insider said: "Dot is suspicious about Joe's return and questions him as he rummages through drawers at the burnt-out house.
"She begins to realise that Joe came back there on Christmas Day and tries to make sense of what happened. He admits that he did indeed return and hit Pauline hard on the head.
"As he makes the astonishing confession, Joe becomes angry and Dot is scared but she eventually gets the full truth from him - that he's a killer. Joe insists that she keeps quiet and she realises he intends to let Sonia take the rap."
Dot frantically reaches for the phone to call the police but Joe lunges at her. Luckily Jim spots her in the window as he walks across the Square. He rushes over and goes for Joe.
The Albert Square killer ducks and plunges through the window on to a market stall below.
FFS, how totally ridiculous. As if Jim could see them, as they'd be on the ground floor, and there's a wall and fence in the way. Also how does Mr Benn fall onto the market? That's well away from the Fowler house. He'd have to fly 70 metres out of the window. I see they chose the Arfur battering method again, how original. :thumbsdow :rolleyes:
My boycott is about to resume in a few days....
danielle741
26-01-2007, 00:03
i read on itv teletext today that Joe did kill pauline he confesses to dot that he hit pauline over the head with a frying pan
Lizzie Brookes
26-01-2007, 06:32
I see. So it had nothing to do with the bowl then. In fact even if the bowl bounced off her head it smashed on the floor immediately afterward and I don't somehow think a person drops dead every time they hit their head on something. I'm wondering if Phil suspected because if so why didn't he say? Though it would certainly explain why he helped Sonia get away. I'm just thinking - I mean even if Joe did visit Pauline's house and use his key to get inwhy did she suddenly look terrified and say "you"?
scooby101
26-01-2007, 09:55
Well I remember they did have an arguement and he smashed up her things, so I would be suprised if she looked teriffied.
Obviously they would have to move upstairs so Jim would be able to see them.. and Martins stall is just outside the door and if Joe jumps with enough force he could land on it.... It is a soap and it is pretty good stuff
So Dot confronts Joe in the Fowler house, so I'm thinking that Dot makes a run for it upstairs after Jo stops her from getting to the phone, and thats how Joe falls onto the market stall.
What a turn around for the mild Joe though! And I still say its payback for Pauline whacking him with the plate lol
Merging two similar threads as both now discussing Joe being the murderer and his death following Dots discovery etc....
well i wasn't expecting that twist, wow! i'm beggining to think that the death of joes previous wife wasn't accidental either anyone agree???
well i wasn't expecting that twist, wow! i'm beggining to think that the death of joes previous wife wasn't accidental either anyone agree???
mmm didn't think of that.. maybe that is why he was in prison and had nothing to do with breaking into houses but if it wasn't an accident, wouldn't the police have Joe on record.. mind you, they just immediately assumed it was Sonia cause Dot said so
Richie_lecturer
26-01-2007, 14:38
Obviously they would have to move upstairs so Jim would be able to see them.. and Martins stall is just outside the door and if Joe jumps with enough force he could land on it....
Though according to the spoilers, Joe is strangling her when she's on the phone to the Police, which is downstairs. Unless the struggle goes upstairs?
Joe would have to land 30 metres from the house if he's to fall onto a stall. Unless Rebecca left a trampoline by the house which is at a 45 degree angle, so Joe falls on it and bounces into George St. :confused:
Obviously they would have to move upstairs so Jim would be able to see them.. and Martins stall is just outside the door and if Joe jumps with enough force he could land on it....
Though according to the spoilers, Joe is strangling her when she's on the phone to the Police, which is downstairs. Unless the struggle goes upstairs?
Joe would have to land 30 metres from the house if he's to fall onto a stall. Unless Rebecca left a trampoline by the house which is at a 45 degree angle, so Joe falls on it and bounces into George St. :confused:Ah I knew there was a simple explanation. Damn clever these EE scriptwriters. Of course distance and time are relative on EE. After all we had the recent spectacular Martin with the super hearing. Not to mention the New Years Day that lasted a week
livergirl24
26-01-2007, 21:06
so we now know joe is the killer so what happens to poor sonia ??? does she get let off ??? does she get banged up ???
I don't buy that the frying pan actually killed her. I mean, she hit Arthur over the head with one, and he didn't die from it. Also, when he told Dot it was the tea set - didn't we see her packing a tea set in the Christmas week?
I think Martin and Sonia go off together, because James sort of hinted at it in a Soaplife interview. It's obvious that Martin still loves her, but can't get the fact that she supposedly killed his Mum out of her head. I can't believe I didn't think something was fishy on Christmas day - she would never have backed down soley because of what Sonia said.
Maybe we still haven't heard the last of this, because I didn't think all the twists were supposed to be over yet. Maybe Pauline died as a combined effect of what Joe and Sonia did :hmm:
Richie_lecturer
26-01-2007, 23:43
Someone's already put up a nice tribute to Joe Macer here: http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=DM0PEgA04AU :)
CrazyLea
26-01-2007, 23:47
I don't buy that the frying pan actually killed her. I mean, she hit Arthur over the head with one, and he didn't die from it.
But you have to think of the force, and where abouts on her head he hit her. It all makes a difference, and a frying pan, could actually kill someone the way Pauline died..
Lizzie Brookes
27-01-2007, 05:51
I agree with Crazylea. I never thought it could be the bowl because the bowl just bounced lightly off her head and shattered on the floor. Besides if people drop dead every time they hit their head nobody would get anywhere. I am sorry for Joe becauise pauline was so spiteful to him and so nasty but at the same time I am furious with him for not having the guts to admit what happened and running off like a coward, letting an innocent girl take the blame for it.
katherine
27-01-2007, 10:14
does sonia get off now that joe has confessed to dot
or does she rot in jail
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