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pookie1968uk
15-09-2006, 15:26
did anyone see in the news headlines that teenagers are filming themselves on their mobile phones playing with guns, shooting with them, racing stolen cars and dog fights then sending the films to their school friends.
what can be done about this? what annoys me the most is do their parents even know what they are up to?
the police issued a statement saying if they are caught then their phones would be confiscated!!!!!!!!! their parents would get them another knock off one the next day!!!!!!!!
what do you all think?
I fume about it!
Not so long ago, 10 mins from me, some teenage girls were caught spraying graffitti on the walls of underpasses etc. The police hauled them in and because they were having difficulties contacting their parents, they were put in the cells for the night until contact was made. Next day, the parents are putting in official complaints because their daughters (aged 14/15 I think it was) were locked up in a cell for the night!!!!
I couldn't believe it - I mean, they shouldn't have been doing that anyway!
I'm getting sick and tired of bringing my sons up with respect for other people (not matter what their age) and property and then they get picked on because they don't fall in with what everyone else is doing around them. Too much is going on these days where some parents request nicely that their child doesn't play with that air rifle (even though the parent bought it for them for their birthday etc), and the police seem powerless to do anything real about the problem because they will get slated for being too heavy handed.
Even to this day, when I see a Police Officer, I feel guilty (even though I haven't done anything wrong lol) and would always be polite etc as that was the way I was brought up, but too many children these days, and some adults too, are more than happy to see an Officer and start taunting them, calling them pig etc, knowing that the Officer can't do anything about it.
But in fairness to Ems comment it is against the law to put any under 16 in the cells, they should have rang the social services or a youth soliciter to avoid any troubles with parents. They could sue and get compensation.
As for teenage yob culture i thnk there is a lot about but really its out of our hands, i was a righ gobby cow when i was younger but i wasnt half as bad as some of the people i see in town. They should grow up though if its graffitti i dont mind but theres loads of kids dying due to gun crime and i think that definalty needs sorting.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
15-09-2006, 15:57
[QUOTE=jojomum]Even to this day, when I see a Police Officer, I feel guilty (even though I haven't done anything wrong lol) and would always be polite etc as that was the way I was brought up, [QUOTE]
Lmao I'm like that too :p
I just think it's disgusting and wrong...
True Katy, but then, where exactly were the parents at 2.30am whilst their daughters were outside spray painting the walls. The story was that the daughters were put in the cells, together in a group, because a large number of arrests had been made and they didn't want the girls harrassed by the people that had been brought in, so in some ways, it was for their own protection. They should have contacted Youth Solicitors or Social, but then, their parents should have been available to come down to the station to find out what was going on too, not be uncontactable for a number of hours overnight.
These days, everyone seems powerless to be able to do anything about these things - guns/knife cultures seem to be springing up in more and more places, and nothing seems to be happening to stop it. Surely as parents, we have to take some of the responsibilty for our childs actions?!
Xx-Vicky-xX
15-09-2006, 16:00
But in fairness to Ems comment it is against the law to put any under 16 in the cells
I thought that aswell but mum was talking about a 13/14 year old being put in a cell the other day and i questioned it because when we was in year 10 in PSHE we had a policeman come in and tell us that you cant be put in cells until your 16+ but mum said its changed since then :searchme:
diamond1
15-09-2006, 16:00
its only just been in the news headlines its been like this for 10 years now...its terrible the gangs do what they want because they can,they intimatdate people on the streets and are always after trouble,I know this dones not go for every teenage group out and about but in towns alot of groups of teenagers are just out to cause trouble.
lets face it they're not known now as yobs its called "chavs" an old gypsie word used for these little scumbags that make going out a nightmare for alot of people.
No it hasnt changed, they also cant be arrested on school premises as its against the law. They are criminally liable if it went to court though as its criminal damage.
Chavs arent all that bad, actualy yes they are. There isnt really anything that can be done realsitically, it would be nice if we all had a byker grove on our doorstep but we dont.
There was a major story up here about a 15 year old lad involved in a assasination in Manchester, this is the problems really young kids being killed and now its thought he was not the intended victim, but in my local paper there is always an article about a murder someone being killed or attacked and no one really cares anymore as its like they expect to see it in the paper.
diamond1
15-09-2006, 16:13
actually I read about about this gang of yobs that stole of pensioners and ordinary people they where so evil that it made me feel sick-they where called the labour party*
The government or labour party.
I rememebr the story as while back when those people in stafford nicked a grandma from her grave. Was it animal rights a way to get back at them or something.
where I live in Dublin has a limited bus service after 7pm cause it goes through an estate where the bus drivers have been abused and passengers harrased. These kid were as young as 8, where are the parents at? Who allow an 8 year old to run around the streets at 10/11 pm at night.. Pizza service will also not deliver to this area
my main concerns, like you Em, is that I am bringing up my kids to be respectful to people and property but it is the peer pressure that is going to be placed on them that scares me.. What will happen if they hang around with the wrong gang, I do I keep control of it as children to need to socially interact
As for that girl, where were her parents? why was she left alone so she could go out til all hours???
Sam-Elle
15-09-2006, 17:11
i have to admit that i'm part of the 'teenage yob culture' in some ways. i am a chav. i dont go spraying walls though, neither do my mates. most of them smoke cigs and weed.
i do admit, there is hardly anything they can do to stop most of it.
this is from experiance right, my mate 'nd me went to an esso garage and managed to buy a pack of fags and a lighter without them asking us how old we were. in and out just like that! this was 2 months ago.
and that was just us, think how many others are doing it...even im shocked.
alkalinetrio
15-09-2006, 19:59
i was once walking down the high street at night and these 2 guys came up to me asking for a fag and lighter but of course i dont smoke so i said no! and one of them said to the other one "smack him" and this really really really anoyed me i hate people saying that stuff so i told him to well i cant swear but "something come on then" clue it begins with a f lol they didnt do anything just tried itimidating me but i wont back down to anyone that would just be letting them win thinking there bigger then me
i have to admit tho i do hang around with a lot of dodgy people probly where i get my confidence from to stand up to people lol
It annoys me how they all hang outside the local shops,if they are so 'cool' surely they have something better to do then hang outside a shop?
I know old people who wont go out at night to the shops for the fear of being hit or shouted at and if im honest i avoid the shops at night too.
The parents dont do anything as half of them are in the pub across the road.It has me fuming,how none of these youngsters hae any respect for anyone or anything,it makes me sad to think my children have to grow up in a world like this.
Xx-Vicky-xX
16-09-2006, 09:45
It annoys me how they all hang outside the local shops,if they are so 'cool' surely they have something better to do then hang outside a shop?
I know old people who wont go out at night to the shops for the fear of being hit or shouted at and if im honest i avoid the shops at night too.
The parents dont do anything as half of them are in the pub across the road.It has me fuming,how none of these youngsters hae any respect for anyone or anything,it makes me sad to think my children have to grow up in a world like this.
To be fair though in my area just because teenagers are hanging around outside a shop doesnt mean they are there to cause trouble alot of the time we hang around outside shops just chatting (i dont personally but ive seen people doing it)
To be fair though in my area just because teenagers are hanging around outside a shop doesnt mean they are there to cause trouble alot of the time we hang around outside shops just chatting (i dont personally but ive seen people doing it) Thats true, but, you feel intimidated as you walk past them and I've had it on a number of occasions where they have refused to move to the side to allow me to pass. They may not be doing anything, but if they don't move aside or, as seems to happen these days, all you hear is them effing and blinding about something, you do feel intimidated.
My middleys pre school is located on the Community College campus and are let out 10 mins after the High Schoolers - a lot of them won't allow me to pass even with the pushchair, walk in front of cars that are trying to pass and won't move out the way etc.
I'm not tarring them all with the same brush, my son becomes an official teenager in under 3 months (help!). I live in a town with a population of about 8,000 people, (which sounds a lot but in comparison to a number of towns close by it isn't) and the number of people that won't venture into our town at night because of worries of problems is huge. There is an area in town which is known for groups of younger people to hang out (as I'm sure there is in every town/village/city) which people purposely avoid going past.
Xx-Vicky-xX
16-09-2006, 10:18
Yeah some people will be a pain and just stay where they are because they think its 'cool' to not do the decent thing in front of their mates, but around here schools are quite good they have a nice system going to teach kids how to behave. I will use my school as an example when a teacher walked into a room wether it be a class room or the hall the class/year groups are made to stand up and the teacher will say good morning/afternoon and we had to say good morning/afternoon Mr/Mrs______ (teachers name goes here) and we was always taught at school to hold the door open for peopleand suprisingly alot of people there do that, another system we had was when you get to middle of July in year 10 you go through a day of training to be a prefect in year 11, it takes you through things you would normally feel uncomfortable doing then in year 11 the first day back its just year 11 and year 7 in and year 11 are only there just to look after the year 7's take them to the places they needto go, help them with things they need help with ect then throughout the year each spot around the school has a group of year 11s making sure the rest of the school are behaving and it works really well. The final system we had was the _____(school name) challenge which is a trip that takes place the end of each term only you need to have a certain number of merits, certain percent of attendance and no whole school detentions (which is detentions where you sit in a hall with the head for an hour with other really naughty people) Easter you go to a museum summer to a theme park and christmas to bluewater shopping center and it does make the pupils follow the rules yeah you get one or two that dont but generally its a good system and the kids there are really respectful which then stops the amount of yobs we get around here
Our school has the same in the sense of the merit system etc, but some of the kids just think its hilarious to act up in front of their mates. On their own its a completely different story, but when their mates are with them, you see a complete change in them, which is daft. Peer pressure is such a big part of it.
Xx-Vicky-xX
16-09-2006, 10:36
Yeah i agree it is stupid and its always going to happen but there are good people aswell, our school taught us very well that just because someone tells us to do something doesnt mean we have to and with most of my year group the fact that the school drummed that in to us worked really well we only had 5 people who thought it was cool to throw things at teachers and stuff like that, if schools made it fun to learn how to behave like ours did then maybe this sort of thing will cut down.
But its not just the schools that have a responsiblity to stop the kids behaving like it. The parents have to aswell, especially outside of school hours. The number of parents I know that allow their 3 year old to go down the street playing on their own or sit on the pavement watching the cars drive by, without a responsible adult watching them is horrendous. They'd be the first to go mad at a car driver should that child run into the road (as has happened to me a couple of times) and then be knocked down (which I have never done fortunately).
Don't worry, I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush (as I said before). There are some good kids about, but there are also some that aren't and these are the ones I'm talking about.
Xx-Vicky-xX
16-09-2006, 11:00
But its not just the schools that have a responsiblity to stop the kids behaving like it. The parents have to aswell, especially outside of school hours. The number of parents I know that allow their 3 year old to go down the street playing on their own or sit on the pavement watching the cars drive by, without a responsible adult watching them is horrendous. They'd be the first to go mad at a car driver should that child run into the road (as has happened to me a couple of times) and then be knocked down (which I have never done fortunately).
Don't worry, I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush (as I said before). There are some good kids about, but there are also some that aren't and these are the ones I'm talking about.
Yeah parents are wrong doing that, i was babysitting a few weeks ago and i took the little girl for a walk and i walked along where her mum used to live and down and back along the read which is where we used to hang out when we was growing up, this girl when we was growing up hung around with daring lads we were about well anything from 5-8 when we was hanging around down there and there is this hill me and my mate just sat on the hill but silly boys would run down the hill and into the road and when i was down there a few weeks ago with my mates kid people were doing it then aswell, its not as if its a small road either its one of the main roads and it is really dodgy messing about like that there but the lad we hung around with who did it messed about because he didnt live with his parents he was with a foster carer and he totally rebelled against her, if she said dont do something hed go and do it. I saw a boy almost get run over down there the other week luckily just before that hill there is a road hump and cars have to slow down there anyway
alkalinetrio
16-09-2006, 11:03
we had that system it worked but didnt work at same time most of people were decent apart from a select few but even with that they cudnt stop the year fights like year 8 v year 9 or year 10 v year 11 proper fighting getting chased all over school and stuff!
we had that system it worked but didnt work at same time most of people were decent apart from a select few but even with that they cudnt stop the year fights like year 8 v year 9 or year 10 v year 11 proper fighting getting chased all over school and stuff! We get some of that with one village vs the other etc (village rivalry :rolleyes: ) Why do they feel the need to do that?!
Xx-Vicky-xX
16-09-2006, 11:07
we had that system it worked but didnt work at same time most of people were decent apart from a select few but even with that they cudnt stop the year fights like year 8 v year 9 or year 10 v year 11 proper fighting getting chased all over school and stuff!
With our school, year 11 prefects usually knew in advance if there would be a fight like that and they would have a quiet word with one of the teachers and it was able to be stopped before it even started, there were the occasional ones that escaped year 11 prefects but when things happened it was delt with
Going by what I hear from my teacher friends, it seems the student has more rights than the teacher. In my time, if I went home and told my dad I'd got a telling off from my teacher, I'd probably get a slap and another telling off. Now it seems, the parents go and have an argument with the teacher - how dare they tell off their children. How times change.
We have a fair few chavs in our area, but to be truthful they are generally nice kids who are just caught up in the current culture through no fault of theirs. On the other hand, those that walk around with an attitude problem, looking for a 'fight' or opportunity to cause trouble, those are the ones we need to tackle. I personally believe it all starts with good parenting, a solid family structure and a strong ethos of belonging and responsibility.
there is always fights around here there was like four at one party the other night, and my friend ended up in hospital!! but there isnt that many chavs here mostly goths! and i think girls have more of an attitude than the guys and they start the fights then the guys get involved and stuff girls can be so gobby!
But its not just the schools that have a responsiblity to stop the kids behaving like it. The parents have to aswell, especially outside of school hours. The number of parents I know that allow their 3 year old to go down the street playing on their own or sit on the pavement watching the cars drive by, without a responsible adult watching them is horrendous. They'd be the first to go mad at a car driver should that child run into the road (as has happened to me a couple of times) and then be knocked down (which I have never done fortunately).
Don't worry, I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush (as I said before). There are some good kids about, but there are also some that aren't and these are the ones I'm talking about.
It is discusting how some parents as you said let there young children play down the street in the park or outside there house whilst cars whiz on by.I really dont know what they are thinkning leteeing there children as young as 2-3 play on there own or even if they are with some other older kids it is not right.
Jordan is 7 and i wont allow him to play out the front by the road or go down the park or any where on his own without a adult.Yes children can get under our feet and annoy us but id rather have years of that then silence because he has been killed by a car or abducted by a pervert.Some parents have no sense at all!Theyd rather take the risk for a few hours peace and quiet.
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