'The Kevin Wicks and Denise Fox thread.**May contain spoiler**'.

[Johnny Allen]

Yes these two have brought some much needed humour into the show and I think it's about time they had their own thread. Phil Daniels is a triumph and has been a great assest to the show as Kevin Wicks, but when he's with Diane Parish on-screen the two just have a real spark between them, I see a future for these two. Forget Shannis and Kalfie, Denise and Kevin are the pair that could become memorable, if the scriptwriters work it well.

Thoughts on the pair?

[Chris_2k11]

Denvin. :cool: :D

I like her and her two daughters but I can't stand him. All he seems to do is moan most the time. :thumbsdow I know what you mean though, they do work well together.

[Richie_lecturer]

"Who thinks I'm not putting on this mockney accent, hamming it up to the detriment of Eastie's audience?"



"Parklife!"

[DaVeyWaVey]

I think Kevin and Denise are great together on screen, and your right, they do deserve their own thread, i can see some good future scenes between them both. They have great chemistry on screen, and they are the next big couple on the Square i think! They are a wonderful double act! :)

[Kim]

I think something will happen between them. After the way Denise smiled at Kevin the other week when he had his back to her, it seems like she fancies him but is shy when it comes to men.

[CrazyLea]

I think they're cool together, and I like both of them. I agree, that they could be good. But what was the deal with the flowers tonight?

[littlemo]

I think they're cool together, and I like both of them. I agree, that they could be good. But what was the deal with the flowers tonight?

It's a spoiler, so I can't say to much. But if you think about you probably know already!

A new character?! Read the spoilers if you don't.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Do you think this should turn into a spoilers thread, then i think we can talk about Denise and Kevin in much more depth and share spoilers too...a thread just like Bradley/Stacey thread??? Just an idea :searchme:

[Kim]

Do you think this should turn into a spoilers thread, then i think we can talk about Denise and Kevin in much more depth and share spoilers too...a thread just like Bradley/Stacey thread??? Just an idea :searchme:

Yeah, it's the same principal as the Darren and Squiggle one and that is now in spoilers.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Oooh thanks to the person who changed the title to this thread, now we can share spoilers. So anyone got any spoilers on Denise and Kevin?!

I read in the What's On TV magazine today that Kevin will give up on trying to chat up Denise but Deano and Chelsea are determined to try and get Kevin and Denise together, so i wonder what the outcome will be?!

Anybody heard anything else?

[BlackKat]

There's pics of them kissing in the magazines, but then Kevin hits Owen so Denise tells him to get lost. :(


It also says that Denise left Owen because he was a heavy drinker...and that he did something to Chelsea that was seriously crossing the line. Maybe alluding to abuse. :searchme:

[littlemo]

There's pics of them kissing in the magazines, but then Kevin hits Owen so Denise tells him to get lost. :(


It also says that Denise left Owen because he was a heavy drinker...and that he did something to Chelsea that was seriously crossing the line. Maybe alluding to abuse. :searchme:

I'm not sure if it would be abuse. I thought he was a permanent character, and I don't think they'd have somebody like that in it full time. Could be wrong though. It would be a good storyline though!

[Nigella harman]

Just wanna add,I love Kevin and Denise!!!they had me and my boyfriend laughing out loud the other night,which i can tell you,is rare for my boyfriend!!!!!:eek: i especially liked the bit where she was stood at the bar waiting for him to finish his drink!!!in deadly silence........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .....................for ages!!!!!!

[DaVeyWaVey]

There's pics of them kissing in the magazines, but then Kevin hits Owen so Denise tells him to get lost. :(


It also says that Denise left Owen because he was a heavy drinker...and that he did something to Chelsea that was seriously crossing the line. Maybe alluding to abuse. :searchme:

Kevin and Denise kissing?! :eek: Oooh, this is something new! So Kevin and Denise could become a proper couple very soon then....:hmm: Trust Owen to ruin everything though!! Kevin shouldn't have hit him, he should have stayed in Denise's good books!!

I think Owen will cause a lot of trouble for Kevin and Denise....maybe Owen hit Chelsea without meaning too, this is something that Denise may have found to have been crossing the line, after all, Denise is quite protective so she wouldn't accept any of Owen's apologies and she seems to have a lot of authority so of course she would have chucked Owen out!!

[x Amby x]

i think that Kevin and Denise are soo funny and they make a great couple! I love all the banter between them as well!

[Kim]

****SPOILERS BELOW****

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[DaVeyWaVey]

Thanks for posting those pics, seems like there's gonna be a few fights coming up. :)

[Kim]

Some Kevin and Denise stuff for next week:

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Sorry there's other stuff on the page, couldn't get everything on Kevin and Denise to scan another way.

[diamond1]

denise and kevin actually make eastenders worth watching these days....they hit it right when they brought these into eastenders although i dislike libby/squiggle already.

kevin hitting owen :clap: :bow: :clap: :bow: :clap: good i can see owens a trouble maker and i bet hes a bully when he's drunk so good on kevin hitting him

although i bet owen will worm his way out of it because he is a slimy sort of bloke

[Nigella harman]

I love Denise,but gawd,I couldnt live with her!!!Kevins a Very brave man!!!

[DaVeyWaVey]

I am really glad Kevin punched Owen in last night's episode. Owen deserved it and i think it showed how much Kevin cared for Denise. Owen is definetly going to jeopardise Kevin and Denise's relationship.

[littlemo]

He obviously cares about Denise, but I think he was thinking about his kids at that point. He was saying some really sick stuff! Probalby just to wind him up but still you can see how his mind works.

You can see where Denise is coming from now can't you?! She definetely had her daughter's interests at heart keeping her away from Owen. Hopefully Kevin will break the cycle of Denise going back to Owen everytime he clicks his fingers (like Chelsea said).

[Johnny Allen]

Owen starting to show his true colours (is it wrong that I think he is goodlooking?) good on Kevin for giving him a smack.

[Kim]

I am really glad Kevin punched Owen in last night's episode. Owen deserved it and i think it showed how much Kevin cared for Denise. Owen is definetly going to jeopardise Kevin and Denise's relationship.

Yeah, Denise goes back to ignoring Kevin because he doesn't like the fact that Kevin smacked Owen. Why I don't know, regardless of wheter she believes Owen is trying to take Squiggle away or not, she still hates him, so I'd be grateful if I was her. It wasn't as if it was that serious either, he didn't exactly knock him out.

[BlackKat]

To be honest, I'm getting annoyed with Denise flying off the handle everytime somebody (usually Kevin) breathes too loudly or whatever. This last week half the time I didn't even know what she was angry about because she'd gone off on one so many times.

I know it's a difficult situation with Owen, but she needs to calm down. I liked the Kevin/Denise relationship when it was them both exchanging comments, but since Owen arrived it's just been Denise screaming at him.

[littlemo]

Owen starting to show his true colours (is it wrong that I think he is goodlooking?) good on Kevin for giving him a smack.

No I think Owen is very good looking! He's got that sexy look about him.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Do you think Owen has really come back for just Squiggle though?! or do you think he is back to build bridges with Denise again?! I think he came back to rebuild his relationship with the Foxes and for him to see Squiggle and also to prove to Denise that he is no longer an alcoholic.

I think Kevin could feel really left out now if Owen starts muscling in on the Foxes and if Denise starts accepting Owen into the family again (I think this is really unlikely though) so Kevin and Denise's friendship/relationship could come under strain.

[Babe14]

Loving this storyline and I have even taken to Squiggle who I wasn't sure of at first, however I'm not liking Chelsea.

Owen is a character who I will love to hate and think has potential.

Owen deserved that smack in the mouth from Kevin, although Kevin shouldn't of let his temper get the better of him, as this was exactly what Owen wanted. He wants Kevin out of the picture.
I find Kevin slightly irritating at times but I do like the character.

The Denise/Owen/Kevin and Stacey/Bradley storyline is what's making Eastenders watchable at the mo. (Apart from the lovely Jake as well:D )

[*-Rooney-*]

im actually getting bored of the pair of them, i like kevin on his own but denise is a total bore she treats kevin like mud and all she does is moan no wonder her daughter wants to leave with her dad

[DaVeyWaVey]

In tonight's episode, Denise is pleased with Kevin when he manages to get Chelsea her old job back, seems like he will be back in Denise's good books!!

[Nigella harman]

Has anyone seen the new stuff for the Foxes!!!Big drama next week!!Looks really really! good!!!Denise is held hostage by Owen and it all kicks off big time,even Squiggles scared of him,Denise stabs him with a fork and he knocks the living daylights out of her,and a tooth!!!

[Pinkbanana]

I must say im finding it hard to like the Foxes at present. Denise always going off on one, and libby kid being a brat, oh and Chelsea getting er... closer to Deanooooo (why love? hope they pay you double if you have to kiss him) - that about sums it up for me. Its a shame was really liking them when they first joined.

[diamond1]

I cant stand squiggle,why does she act like that there is no need for it

chelsea is ok i supose
first grant now deano hmm well all I can say is the grass isnt always greener

denise is great love her character made for kevin

[Johnny Allen]

oh that spoiler for the Foxes, sounds very good.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Yeah i can't wait for the spoilers that Nigella Harman mentioned...it really is gonna kick off big time!

I hope Kevin and Denise get through it though and they start a proper relationship without the interference of Owen.

[Babe14]

Have to admit I'm still liking Kevin/Denise realtionship and it's nice to have some focus on a mature relationship for a change. The same applies to Tanya/Max. Kevin can be over bearing at times due to overuse but he's a good character. Squiggle needs a good slap. Chelsea still not too sure about.
However I foresee some stormy times ahead for Kevin/Denise..

[BlackKat]

Honestly, they are really annoying me now. They have potential to be a good couple and the chemistry is still there, but we've never seen them as a couple. They break up, spend a week getting back together and then break up again two seconds later. It's stupid because I find myself not caring -- why should I invest in their efforts to get back together or enjoy their two seconds of happiness, when I know that the next week I'll be watching it all over again.

And when even after Owen is arrested, Denise turns around and tells Kevin she needs to be on her own it doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon.

[DaVeyWaVey]

Honestly, they are really annoying me now. They have potential to be a good couple and the chemistry is still there, but we've never seen them as a couple. They break up, spend a week getting back together and then break up again two seconds later. It's stupid because I find myself not caring -- why should I invest in their efforts to get back together or enjoy their two seconds of happiness, when I know that the next week I'll be watching it all over again.

And when even after Owen is arrested, Denise turns around and tells Kevin she needs to be on her own it doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon.

I think it's just Kevin and Denise building up to a proper relationship...once Owen is out of the picture, they hopefully will be a happy couple who don't make up and break up every two seconds...i would like to see trouble in their relationship, but too much can get very annoying.

[Babe14]

Have to admit it does annoy me slightly too all this on/off stuff, but I don't want everything to be sweetness and like.

[EE Rocks]

I love Kevin and Denise. Two great characters and they have great chemistry. I can't wait until next week, it's sounds really good.

[EE Rocks]

This was in yesterdays Sun

BEAST ENDER
EXCLUSIVE OWEN BEATS DENISE


THIS is the sickening moment in EastEnders when single mum Denise Fox is battered by her ex-husband. Denise, played by The Bill star Diane Parish, plans to leave Walford with her two teenage daughters to escape Owen Turner's evil clutches.

But at the last minute she decides to tell him exactly what she thinks of him.

Actress Diane said: "She's obviously aware of his temper but has no idea exactly how out of control he's become.

"Denise is absolutely petrified and it seems she could have made a horrifying mistake by confronting him." Owen (Lee Ross) grabs her by the throat, saying she's turned their daughter Squiggle against him.


Then Squiggle (Belinda Owusu) arrives to find him slapping her mum. Later Owen returns and batters Denise again, knocking out a tooth.

On-off boyfriend Kevin Wicks (Phil Daniels) gets there in the nick of time and pulls Owen off her but he has got a huge knife.

A source said: "It gets very physical, especially when Denise decides to tell him exactly what she thinks of him.

"Kevin rushes in and saves her just as he places his hands around her neck and starts to squeeze.

"It's every bit as scary as the showdown between Little Mo and Trevor. Viewers will be gripped."

This sounds great, i can't wait.

[Johnny Allen]

Eastenders did Little Mo and Trevor storyline very well, so this has fantastic potential, Owen is the perfect kind of villian EE needs, and Diane Parish is a fabulous actress so I think this has potential to be a gripping storyline.

[Babe14]

I like Kevin/Denise as a couple but as per usual it is being screwed up by more poor scripting. All this on/off/on/off, Denise going off on one because Kevin said something nice it's just getting on my nerves. Why doesn't Kevin just walk and tell Denise that she knows where he is when she sorts out exactly what it is she wants and who she wants. It's obvious that Owen is at the bottom of it all as Denise still wants him and until she can move on from him then there is no hope for her and Kevin. She has to see things for how they really are, Owen for who he really is and what he is doing. Ask herself is she wants to be a punch bag for the rest of her life or to be with a man who really cares about her.

[Babe14]

Eastenders did Little Mo and Trevor storyline very well, so this has fantastic potential, Owen is the perfect kind of villian EE needs, and Diane Parish is a fabulous actress so I think this has potential to be a gripping storyline.

I agree but it all depends on the quality of writing/scripting, at the moment they are screwing everything up big style. They have some good characters with potential but seem intent on ruining them through duff scripting.

[matt1378]

i think the whole Kevin/Denise storyline has been great, whole family has enjoyed it so far

[EE Rocks]

I agree, I have really enjoyed it so far.

[Kim]

Bit fed up of her randomly dumping Kevin again and again but it has been good since Owen was reintroduced.

[Babe14]

Bit fed up of her randomly dumping Kevin again and again but it has been good since Owen was reintroduced.

That's what is spoiling it for me as these are two very strong characters. Owen is a good character so long as he isn't turned into a copy cat Trevor Morgan. Squiggle needs to see her dad for who and what he is, a gambler, alcoholic and wife beater.

[Kim]

She's making it even worse, what with the dismissive "bye" like every time Kevin shows up at Denise's flat. Her voice just drives me up the wall. :wall:

[Pinkbanana]

Bit fed up of her randomly dumping Kevin again and again but it has been good since Owen was reintroduced.

Yeah the on, off thing was getting a bit much, but wow its been rather gripping since Owen came back into the equation! lol He is so much more an intimidating and menacing character to watch than any of the recent gangster types! Hope he is here to stay!!!

[Babe14]

She's making it even worse, what with the dismissive "bye" like every time Kevin shows up at Denise's flat. Her voice just drives me up the wall. :wall:

Not to mention her attitude. When she was round at the Wicks' having dinner her behaviour was well out of order. However this week we did have a nice scene between Squiggle and Kevin when they were playing chess so I'm guessing that we will see a bit of progress between the two of them now. I was wondering if it was actually Owen who scratched all of Kevin's cars..

[Kim]

It's quite likely. I think he blamed Kevin for the fact that he wasn't able to wrap Denise round his little finger and get her back. Since he's split with her now, I think he'll do something worse to Kevin then we find out what actually happened with those cars, because storylines aren't usually abandoned that abruptly unless there is a point to it.

[Babe14]

The last time I saw Kevin and Owen having a confrontation was in Kevin's car lot "office" and Kevin floored Owen. All I can say is nice one Kev giving Owen a taste of his own medicine.

Wonder how Kevin will react when the truth comes out about the mysterious injuries Denise suddenly gets?

[Kim]

I think she'll try and hide them as she did sleep with him again and Kevin is aware of that, plus she kicked off when he informed her that he'd punched Owen before Owen went on holiday.

[Babe14]

I think she'll try and hide them as she did sleep with him again and Kevin is aware of that, plus she kicked off when he informed her that he'd punched Owen before Owen went on holiday.

I think Kevin will guess something is up and I don't think it will be too long before he puts two and two together.

[Siobhan]

I think Kevin will guess something is up and I don't think it will be too long before he puts two and two together.

As far as I know, Kevin was there when Owen hit her last night so we can assume he now knows

[Babe14]

As far as I know, Kevin was there when Owen hit her last night so we can assume he now knows

As you can tell I haven't seen any of Enders this week:)

Wonder what he will do?

[crazygirl]

im sick of the on/off relationship it was ok at first but it has been going on for too long now and is starting to get boring

[littlemo]

Owen is a nasty piece of work! I'm not sure if he's up to the standard of Trevor yet, but he could be soon.

I can't believe Denise's attitude to Owen. Going on about how he loves her, and he didn't mean to hurt her. 'He's not that bloke bla bla bla...', I know it's realistic that women behave that way when they are being abused, but I just wanted to shake her. You can understand Chelsea's frustration, I don't know how I could stand seeing my mother talk that way.

Is Denise seriously saying to her daughter that it's o.k to stay with an abusive man if he says he loves you?! I don't think she knows what she's saying, he's playing mind games with her.

I am really annoyed about Denise putting Owen ahead of Chelsea. It is so selfish! She must have only been a little kid when Owen came into their lives, which means she has suffered neglect from him most of her life. I think it probably happens a lot with step families.

[JustJodi]

Seems to me that Denise is codependent: see defination

What is codependency? What's the definition?
There are many definitions used to talk about codependency today. The original concept of codependency was developed to acknowledge the responses and behaviors people develop from living with an alcoholic or substance abuser. A number of attributes can be developed as a result of those conditions.
However, over the years, codependency has expanded into a definition which describes a dysfunctional pattern of living and problem solving developed during childhood by family rules.
One of many definitions of codependency is: a set of *maladaptive, *compulsive behaviors learned by family members in order to survive in a family which is experiencing *great emotional pain and stress.
*maladaptive - inability for a person to develop behaviors which get needs met.
*compulsive - psychological state where a person acts against their own will or conscious desires in which to behave.
*sources of great emotional pain and stress - chemical dependency; chronic mental illness; chronic physical illness; physical abuse; sexual abuse; emotional abuse; divorce; hypercritical or non-loving environment.
As adults, codependent people have a greater tendency to get involved in relationships with people who are perhaps unreliable, emotionally unavailable, or needy. And the codependent person tries to provide and control everything within the relationship without addressing their own needs or desires; setting themselves up for continued unfulfillment.
Even when a codependent person encounters someone with healthy boundaries, the codependent person still operates in their own system; they’re not likely to get too involved with people who have healthy boundaries. This of course creates problems that continue to recycle; if codependent people can’t get involved with people who have healthy behaviors and coping skills, then the problems continue into each new relationship.

[EE Rocks]

Diane Parish, Continues to Impress me. I think she is a great actress.

[Pinkbanana]

Diane Parish, Continues to Impress me. I think she is a great actress.

I totally agree with you, also the chap who plays Owen, for me, has made this week in Enders gripping television.

When Denise called out at the end of the episode to Owen and I realised that she had known all along that he was there, and had been saying all that stuff for his benefit! That was one totally unexpected and shock ending!:eek:

[Dutchgirl]

The only thing that bugs me although I think it is a great storyline, how can a person turn around so much in a weeks time? Last week she was very afraid, and now she will confront him.:hmm:

[Siobhan]

The only thing that bugs me although I think it is a great storyline, how can a person turn around so much in a weeks time? Last week she was very afraid, and now she will confront him.:hmm:

On Monday when Chelsea made her realise that Owen knew what he was doing cause he never hit her in front of Squiggle, she decided enough was enough... Trust me, women/men can get a revelation like that and say "to hell with it, i want this over now" and find the courage to face their demons

[Nigella harman]

On Monday when Chelsea made her realise that Owen knew what he was doing cause he never hit her in front of Squiggle, she decided enough was enough... Trust me, women/men can get a revelation like that and say "to hell with it, i want this over now" and find the courage to face their demons Yeah,especially if shes looking at the only other alternative being them in hiding for the rest of their lives.She realises she has no choice if they want a normal life I reckon.Good on her!I hope it goes ok though tonight!cant wait!:thumbsup:

[JustJodi]

Yeah,especially if shes looking at the only other alternative being them in hiding for the rest of their lives.She realises she has no choice if they want a normal life I reckon.Good on her!I hope it goes ok though tonight!cant wait!:thumbsup:

Also now that Squiggle knows what her dad is capable of she is a bit braver now, cos both of her girls have now witnessed Owens behavior,, may have given the courage she has put on a back burner for so long,, I was once a battered wife, It took me 7 years to finally fight back and kicked the bum to the curb/kerb...no woman has to put up with that kind of bull hockey,,, :nono:

[Dutchgirl]

Also now that Squiggle knows what her dad is capable of she is a bit braver now, cos both of her girls have now witnessed Owens behavior,, may have given the courage she has put on a back burner for so long,, I was once a battered wife, It took me 7 years to finally fight back and kicked the bum to the curb/kerb...no woman has to put up with that kind of bull hockey,,, :nono:

:(Ah JJ sorry to hear, you experienced similar events. Hope you feeling all right after last weeks episodes.

I'm glad I wasn't right about Squiggle defending Owen, but she is torn in her feelings that much is clear. Maybe Denise finally saw what has to be done, hope she doesn't hurt herself in the process.

[Siobhan]

Also now that Squiggle knows what her dad is capable of she is a bit braver now, cos both of her girls have now witnessed Owens behavior,, may have given the courage she has put on a back burner for so long,, I was once a battered wife, It took me 7 years to finally fight back and kicked the bum to the curb/kerb...no woman has to put up with that kind of bull hockey,,, :nono:

You have been there Jodi, do you think EE are doing a good job with this storyline?

[EE Rocks]

Yeah sorry to hear about that JustJodi:) . Same question as Sioban. Do you think EE Are portraying this well?

[JustJodi]

They have done well especially the "codependency"part,, Denise wants to make excuses for Owens behavior,, as I did for my ex husband, it was always my fault for making him do what he did or it was the booze or the drugs and of course he was always SORRY afterwards..back 30 yrs ago you had to have the balls of brass to leave the security of marriage,, Denise did what I did "left"the situation.. but I let the law deal with my ex..Its especially hard when a child is involved.. and the mother always trying to shield them from "the evils of the world..be it the world or the abusive spouse/parent" ...If I had to rate the story line 1-10 , I would give it an 8..Lets see how they handle tonights show :)

[Dutchgirl]

They have done well especially the "codependency"part,, Denise wants to make excuses for Owens behavior,, as I did for my ex husband, it was always my fault for making him do what he did or it was the booze or the drugs and of course he was always SORRY afterwards..back 30 yrs ago you had to have the balls of brass to leave the security of marriage,, Denise did what I did "left"the situation.. but I let the law deal with my ex..Its especially hard when a child is involved.. and the mother always trying to shield them from "the evils of the world..be it the world or the abusive spouse/parent" ...If I had to rate the story line 1-10 , I would give it an 8..Lets see how they handle tonights show :)

Well kudo's to you and for sharing it with us, could not have been easy, :heart: to you!

[Siobhan]

They have done well especially the "codependency"part,, Denise wants to make excuses for Owens behavior,, as I did for my ex husband, it was always my fault for making him do what he did or it was the booze or the drugs and of course he was always SORRY afterwards..back 30 yrs ago you had to have the balls of brass to leave the security of marriage,, Denise did what I did "left"the situation.. but I let the law deal with my ex..Its especially hard when a child is involved.. and the mother always trying to shield them from "the evils of the world..be it the world or the abusive spouse/parent" ...If I had to rate the story line 1-10 , I would give it an 8..Lets see how they handle tonights show :)

That is the hardest part, leaving but once you go, you find yourself in a much better suitation and realise "i should have left sooner". Well done to you Jodi :thumbsup::clap:

[JustJodi]

I do not want to veer off topic,,, but since we are on the ABUSED woman subject,, IF ANY OF YOU are in a situation,, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get out..these men are not going to change, the hardest part was I still loved the son of a BITxx when I left him. Do not think that your "love"will change them.. or another baby or something esle,, cos they will not change.. they need professional help,, :(

[Siobhan]

I do not want to veer off topic,,, but since we are on the ABUSED woman subject,, IF ANY OF YOU are in a situation,, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get out..these men are not going to change, the hardest part was I still loved the son of a BITxx when I left him. Do not think that your "love"will change them.. or another baby or something esle,, cos they will not change.. they need professional help,, :(

:clap::clap::clap: Well said. And as for EE, Denise playing ping pong with Kevin is just her been very unsure about Owen.. I think Kev and Denise should just stay friends and be there for each other

[Jojo]

I do not want to veer off topic,,, but since we are on the ABUSED woman subject,, IF ANY OF YOU are in a situation,, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get out..these men are not going to change, the hardest part was I still loved the son of a BITxx when I left him. Do not think that your "love"will change them.. or another baby or something esle,, cos they will not change.. they need professional help,, :( And that goes for the other way round too - if you know a guy that is being abused in this way, it is sometimes harder for the man to go and seek help, because he feels embarrassed about having it happen to them, so if you know a guy like this, get them to get help too

[Jojo]

:clap::clap::clap: Well said. And as for EE, Denise playing ping pong with Kevin is just her been very unsure about Owen.. I think Kev and Denise should just stay friends and be there for each other Agreed - they seem to be so on and off, I think friendship is the best scenario for them. They care for each other by the seems of it, but Denise still has feelings for Owen, be them good or bad, and needs to get over them, before she can embark on another relationship really.

[angelblue]

I don’t know an about anyone else but I am finding the Kevin/Denise relationship a bit predictable myself.

To me it just seems like they are trying to make Kevin the knight and shinning armour that saves the day, in my opinion the person who saves Denise from her alcoholic wife beating ex- husband and then they fall hopelessly in love and live happily ever after. I used to like it but now I am tired of it I also don’t like the daughter dating son and mother dating father.

Yes they have great banter but an apart from that do they have much to go on I am not sure what does everyone else think.

:o :o

[CrazyLea]

Well, I do like them as a couple, but it does seem to be getting predictable, and rather looped. Like they're best mates one minute, then they're at each others throats the next....every day :eek:

[hippychick215]

ye i agree 1 minute they are being nice an the next she is telling him to get out. i just wish they would get together, i think they are nice together an they really like each other. hopefully now that owen has gone they wil get their acts together an start seeing each other:lol:

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

If it's going to keep going on/off all the time it will definatly be boring. Hopefully now it has come to and end and something will happen because Owen has left.

[alan45]

I think Kevin O'Sullivan summed it up rather well in the Sunday Mirror

But, back in Albert Square, death was taking a back seat - and a crazy little thing called love was the drug.


No cliches were left unturned when - for no apparent reason - two unlikely chumps suddenly started swinging from the chandeliers


Pointless club boss Jake had just finished a pointless punchup with pointless drunk Owen when pointless blonde Carly fell into his arms for an extraordinary bout of explosive passion.


You could tell this was lovemaking at its most "spontaneous". Because the over-acting little rabbits locked lips, made thespian grunting noises while theatrically ripping each other's clothes off.


Then - phwoar! - they knocked a couple of glasses from the shelves as they cavorted around London's emptiest nightclub, Scarlets. She's only a female grease monkey - but underneath those overalls Carly is all car mechanic.


And boy does Jake know how to treat a woman! Just ask killer Chrissie - who he promised never to desert before thinking better of it and leaving her to rot in jail.


Throughout an absurd week of non-stop bonking, every time Jake and Carly set eyes on each other she became a veracious vamp while he turned into Tarzan of the Apes.


But after she stepped into Jake's office for another torrid liaison, Carly's girl-on-top antics were interrupted when her former squeeze - moron Martin - burst in and demanded an explanation.


In a classic example of stating the bleeding obvious, half-naked Carly explained: "I've moved on." No sh*t!


"Don't make this any more embarrassing than it already is," added Jake, as if that was remotely possible.


And then, just as it was getting interesting, Jake called the whole thing off so we could get back to that bloke Owen knocking the hell out of Denise.


Great! It's been at least a couple of hours since Walford's last battered-wife drama. And we wouldn't want our spirits lifted by Jake's joke sex trysts for too long now, would we?


Albert Square's confederacy of doom merchants must have been wildly jealous of gloomy Emmerdale's funeral march to the top of the ratings charts.


For a giddy few days EastEnders was in danger of delivering some genuine entertainment.


But in the nick of time bosses have returned to downbeat business as usual as the Cockney saga continues to spectacularly misunderstand its core fans.


If the Beeb's flagship soap carries on its mad mission to be miserable, it'll die.


And that's a certainty.

[callummc]

it seems to me like their using watered down scripts from mo and trevor,mo and billy and kat and alfie,come on ee give us somthing new,this is just so predictable it gettig boring

[Babe14]

I agree Kevin/Denise for the time being should just be friends and be there when needed, like Kevin was for Denise this week.

I feel that this whole thing is dragging on too much, the characters are being over used they need to slow down their viewing time.

However I like the fact that with Owen/Denise we have a combination of Lil Mo/Trev, Carmel/Matthew plus a more emotional angle on the abuser. Owen blames Denise for everything that has gone wrong in his life and beats her to vent his anger and frustration, all being fuelled by alcohol and now by the fact that he is in danger of losing Squiggle because she has finally seen him in his true colours. I liked the fact that we had Owen being beaten by Jake in the fight and also by Kevin, it was good to see him walking around battered and bruised. I'm glad that Owen has been arrested and that it was his own daughter, Squiggle who phoned the police. A bit of poetic justice.

[JustJodi]

Kevin did the right thing in calling the police and I'm glad that Owen has been arrested.

Kevin did not call the cops Squiggle did...

[Babe14]

Kevin did the right thing in calling the police and I'm glad that Owen has been arrested.

Kevin did not call the cops Squiggle did...

Of course she did I remember now, that end scene when Owen was being put into the cop car and the emotional scene between him and Squiggle.

[Siobhan]

we do have a kev/denise thread already open.. merging

[ericca]

Just been reading in inside soap that the Foxes and the Wicks end up living under one roof at Pat's,doesn't say why but their's hope for Denise and Kevin yet.