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shannisrules
14-06-2006, 18:38
whats your opinion on the whole immigrant subject?
personally i dont mid some of them but a lot that come from countries such as iraq and pakistan are comign here to find freedom.....thats fine
but what really gets me is when they come into our country and abuse/disagree with our rules ill give you a few examples
i was in morrisons the other day and a woman wouldnt get her passport photo done because it strictly says you have to wear no turbans sunglasses cloths etc. and she refused to take off those big black things..you know what i mean! anyway i think that if she didnt want to take it off because of " religious reasons" then sorry you cant have a passport!
another example did you know that over 70 percent of rapes in this country are due to immigrants and that figure is still rising! a news story was on that i watched and in this it said that a man raped a girl whp was just casually walking down the street in daylight in her skirt and top i think its their religion thing that if in their country they see a girl with a skirt and top on (showing a bit of flesh) this brands them as a whore , so they feel its ok to rape them they need t understand rules are different in this country and they cant just change them!
i also think they are trying to turn our country more like theirs everyday because i reguarly see mosques (sp?) around town which is fine because its where they prey and stuff but we dont have mosques in this country! we have churches and as the years go by our contry is starting to look more and more like iraq, iran etc.
i just think taht tony blair!:angry: is letting in too many immigrants i even read that some muslims want us to stop the pornography! because its agianst their religion to even think about looking at it so we shouldnt apparently! if these people dont like our rules they cant change them! (but whats getting me angry is they actaully are chagning our rules!) if they want to live in this country they can live by our rules!
oh my... i think thsi is the longest post i ahve ever posted :eek: but i feel strongly on this subject lol
.:SpIcYsPy:.
14-06-2006, 18:56
Don't really take any interest yet but some of the points you have made are quite strong and I agree with them!! There are some of which I really agree with:..
i think that if she didnt want to take it off because of "religious reasons" then sorry you cant have a passport!
Because how else is she meant to be indentified.. but then again surely she must have photo without her wearing them things because otherwise you can't be indentified?
over 70 percent of rapes in this country are due to immigrants
Oh my god!! That is soooooooo shocking and sooooooo disgusting!! How can they come to our country and do things like that?! They are probably running away from things like this!! Purely disgusting!!
if in their country they see a girl with a skirt and top on (showing a bit of flesh) this brands them as a whore
This is probably it's 70%!! Disgusting!! We just have different fashions and style!! More individual too!!
Maybe we have more and more mosque's and stuff because the amount of imigrants are rising?..
i even read that some muslims want us to stop the pornography! because its agianst their religion to even think about looking at it
Loooooooooooool!! So they come here and find it disturbing so want us to change it?! I find this purely hilarious!! :rotfl:
whats your opinion on the whole immigrant subject?
personally i dont mid some of them but a lot that come from countries such as iraq and pakistan are comign here to find freedom.....thats fine
but what really gets me is when they come into our country and abuse/disagree with our rules ill give you a few examples
i was in morrisons the other day and a woman wouldnt get her passport photo done because it strictly says you have to wear no turbans sunglasses cloths etc. and she refused to take off those big black things..you know what i mean! anyway i think that if she didnt want to take it off because of " religious reasons" then sorry you cant have a passport!
another example did you know that over 70 percent of rapes in this country are due to immigrants and that figure is still rising! a news story was on that i watched and in this it said that a man raped a girl whp was just casually walking down the street in daylight in her skirt and top i think its their religion thing that if in their country they see a girl with a skirt and top on (showing a bit of flesh) this brands them as a whore , so they feel its ok to rape them they need t understand rules are different in this country and they cant just change them!
i also think they are trying to turn our country more like theirs everyday because i reguarly see mosques (sp?) around town which is fine because its where they prey and stuff but we dont have mosques in this country! we have churches and as the years go by our contry is starting to look more and more like iraq, iran etc.
i just think taht tony blair!:angry: is letting in too many immigrants i even read that some muslims want us to stop the pornography! because its agianst their religion to even think about looking at it so we shouldnt apparently! if these people dont like our rules they cant change them! (but whats getting me angry is they actaully are chagning our rules!) if they want to live in this country they can live by our rules!
oh my... i think thsi is the longest post i ahve ever posted :eek: but i feel strongly on this subject lol
What if the woman having her photograph taken was a Catholic nun? Would your reaction be the same I wonder? I know many women who wear the hijab who would have no trouble having their photo taken. And I'm pretty sure I could find many people of any ethnic origin that may refuse to have their photo taken for whatever reason.
I would like to see the OFFICIAL statistic for the amount of rapes committed in this country by immigrants. How can you say its a religious thing to go and rape somebody? That is being absolutely ignorant. I think you'll find rape is dealt with harshly in any country. What next - are you going to blame the increase in paedophilia on them next? As for immigrants seeing women scantily dressed and wanting to rape them - do you think all immigrants are inhuman beasts or something with no morals? Absolutely speechless.
As for mosques being built in the country: why do you have a problem with that and not the fact that churches are being converted to nightclubs? Or that fact more people in this country are athiest with sunday service at an all time low? As for you suggestion this country is looking more like Iraq - tell me, have you just lost 5 members of your family, blown to bits by a British bomb just so Blair and Bush could get their grubby hand on your oil? No, I didn't think so, so please do not insult Iraqis.
As for pornography or anything taboo, I think you'll find all the religions actively campaining against it. Have a look at the Christian right in America for example.
I agree the policy on immigration is messed up. It doesn't mean that you can blame immigrants for everything.
This has to be one of the most xenophobic posts I've replied to, but seeing that you come from nr Blackpool I can see where some of your ideology comes from. Your post smells of the crap spewed by the BNP.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 20:23
How can you say its a religious thing to go and rape somebody?
exactly my point they do belive its a religion i asked in r.e because in their countries your not allowed to show any skin so they're not used to it, im not saying i dont like all immigrants like i said at the beginning i dont mind some of them but the opionion i have come across is that a lot of them want to change english rules and i dont think this is fair on us
As for mosques being built in the country: why do you have a problem with that and not the fact that churches are being converted to nightclubs?
and like i said before i dont havea problem with them i have a problem woth tony blair because he is letting to many of them in causing them to bulid more and more
and the thing about me coming from north west is a bit harsh i asked for peoples opinions on this subject not for peoples opinions on me or my area, this is my opinion and i think i have a right to post it
exactly my point they do belive its a religion i asked in r.e because in their countries your not allowed to show any skin so they're not used to it, im not saying i dont like all immigrants like i said at the beginning i dont mind some of them but the opionion i have come across is that a lot of them want to change english rules and i dont think this is fair on us
I said its nothing to do with religion. Are you going to blame all those drunks that come home and beat up their wifes on Christianity? No, I didn't think so. All the countries I've travelled to I've pretty much seen women wear and do as they please. What english rules do they want to change? Surely that's the beauty of a democracy like ours - its always in a state of flux. I don't see any immigrants trying to force their rules on me.
and like i said before i dont havea problem with them i have a problem woth tony blair because he is letting to many of them in causing them to bulid more and more
and the thing about me coming from north west is a bit harsh i asked for peoples opinions on this subject not for peoples opinions on me or my area, this is my opinion and i think i have a right to post it
I'm simply pointing out the fact that Blackpool has a strong support for the BNP. I wouldn't sterotype anyone from Blackpool, but going by your original post I would say I'm not far off.
As for your right to post your opinion, have I disputed that? :searchme:
I have to agree with Nicole here. All they do is swan in and out of the country, taking all the jobs because it's cheaper to employ them as they generally have few/little qualifications. And then they sponge off the state, how are we supposed to pay taxes when they're taking up all the job opportunities. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't like it if we went into their country and did what they're doing here.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 20:41
well to start off bnp? i dont follow that i dont have a clue what it is so me coming from blackpool has nothing do with it, it sounds like you are stereotyping to me
like i said some ot them dont want us to look at pornography drink as much alcahol as we do or fly our english flag they are some of the things that some of them are trying to change, have you travelled to iraq my friends been near and she was told at the airport that she had to waer trousers no skirts and she had to wear cardigan type things aswell
di marco
14-06-2006, 20:45
well to start off bnp? i dont follow that i dont have a clue what it is so me coming from blackpool has nothing do with it, it sounds like you are stereotyping to me
bnp is the british national party, they are known for being racist
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 20:48
All they do is swan in and out of the country, taking all the jobs because it's cheaper to employ them as they generally have few/little qualifications.
i have a chinese restuarnt in my village and the owners change every six months! i think its only there so that immigrants can come in this country and be provided with a job
i have a chinese restuarnt in my village and the owners change every six months! i think its only there so that immigrants can come in this country and be provided with a job
There were a few in a local shop near me. I got banned from the shop because of them and their inability to not instantly judge who is right and who is wrong.
well to start off bnp? i dont follow that i dont have a clue what it is so me coming from blackpool has nothing do with it, it sounds like you are stereotyping to me
like i said some ot them dont want us to look at pornography drink as much alcahol as we do or fly our english flag they are some of the things that some of them are trying to change, have you travelled to iraq my friends been near and she was told at the airport that she had to waer trousers no skirts and she had to wear cardigan type things aswell
You know all abouts immigrants and not the BNP? They go hand in hand.
Have you travelled to Scotland and Wales? They want to break away from the UK govt. OMG - they're trying to change our culture, our way of life.
No I haven't been to Iraq. Didn't you say this country was like Iraq?
So what if you have to cover up if you go abroad? Big deal. Have you never heard the phrase: "when in rome"? You're showing a total lack of respect for another culture. What makes your culture so better?
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 20:54
im not showing lac of respect at all all i said was that if people want to come into our country they have to abide by our rules like we do when we go into their countries, what is your problem?
I have to agree with Nicole here. All they do is swan in and out of the country, taking all the jobs because it's cheaper to employ them as they generally have few/little qualifications. And then they sponge off the state, how are we supposed to pay taxes when they're taking up all the job opportunities. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't like it if we went into their country and did what they're doing here.
Now there's a suprise. I can pretty much guess who is left to post from your little group ...
Do you know what you're doing to their countries? Probably going in and buying up all their land so they can't afford to live! As well as having discriminatory foreign policy that suits us.
As for the jobs - they go out and shovel the **** that most brits wouldn't get out of bed for.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 20:57
Now there's a suprise. I can pretty much guess who is left to post from your little group ...
i think you're taking this a bit too much too heart she wasnt saying she agreed with everything i said infact she made a completey different point to me...and what group?
im not showing lac of respect at all all i said was that if people want to come into our country they have to abide by our rules like we do when we go into their countries, what is your problem?
:searchme:
I'm not the one with the problem. You've given your opinion, and I've called it for what it is: a xenophobic rant backed by hysteria.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 20:58
and thats fine just dont ahve to post all the mean/horrible comments that come with it
and thats fine just dont ahve to post all the mean/horrible comments that come with it
So saying this country is like Iraq is not a 'mean/horrible comment' to the memory of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women and child we have killed?
They do take up jobs in resturants, phone companies and shops etc though, so it's not like they're left with the jobs of excessively low pay.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:06
the only reason i cvompared this country to iraq was because of all the poeple from iraq that have come here for freedom which is good but not too abuse our rules and because they are building so many mosques which isnt our nationality
the only reason i cvompared this country to iraq was because of all the poeple from iraq that have come here for freedom which is good but not too abuse our rules and because they are building so many mosques which isnt our nationality
I think we should show them a certain amount of lemiency but not allow them to make our country exactly how they would like it.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:11
ye thats what i think its fine if they want to build mosques or whatever but i think if it carryos on this way our country may end up ina bad way
the only reason i cvompared this country to iraq was because of all the poeple from iraq that have come here for freedom which is good but not too abuse our rules and because they are building so many mosques which isnt our nationality
So when the British colonised Australia and SA they didn't build churches?
I thought by invading Iraq we were giving them their freedom. Silly me.
This country is a multi cultural society. The world has moved on. Its one of the outcomes from globalisation and capitalism.
I find it ironic that people who moan about immigration would honour the concept of Empire in the same breath. Hypocrites.
I think we should show them a certain amount of lemiency but not allow them to make our country exactly how they would like it.
And what what would that be? Can you give me a list of laws they've changed?
I'd be more worried about this country getting run by chavs than immigrants.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:15
seriously- do you have a problem with this? most people have just posted their opinion and if they disagree so be it but they didnt take it any further?
And what what would that be? Can you give me a list of laws they've changed?
I'd be more worried about this country getting run by chavs than immigrants.
I didn't say they had. I was saying they should be allowed to build some mosks but not make the country exactly as they would like it to be as it isn't their country of origin.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:18
I'd be more worried about this country getting run by chavs than immigrants.
fair point but a chav status can always be out grown
fair point but a chav status can always be out grown
It can't really. If all the chavs were to be punished we would probably end up with a situation where all the prisons are full.
seriously- do you have a problem with this? most people have just posted their opinion and if they disagree so be it but they didnt take it any further?
I beg your pardon? Is this a futile attempt to put me on the defensive? What the hell for? You're the one with the xenophobic arguments - if you can't give solid answers to your arguments don't post in the discussion. Simple really. Thankfully those that blame everything on immigration are not in power, otherwise the poice state would really be here.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:24
where do you get the point that i blame everything on immagration from thats not the point at all
where do you get the point that i blame everything on immagration from thats not the point at all
I wouldn't say everything. But a lot of the social ills that inflict our society.
another example did you know that over 70 percent of rapes in this country are due to immigrants and that figure is still rising!
i also think they are trying to turn our country more like theirs everyday
As well as seniments of Islamophobia
i think its their religion thing that if in their country they see a girl with a skirt and top on (showing a bit of flesh) this brands them as a whore
but we dont have mosques in this country! we have churches and as the years go by our contry is starting to look more and more like iraq, iran etc.
i even read that some muslims want us to stop the pornography! because its agianst their religion to even think about looking at it so we shouldnt apparently!
BTW, did you know the following quote is a favorites of the BNP:
if they want to live in this country they can live by our rules!
And that's just from the first post
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:36
BTW, did you know the following quote is a favorites of the BNP:
if they want to live in this country they can live by our rules!
nope i didnlt like i said before i dont even know who they are and allt hose quotes of course they are about immigrants that what i posted about and thats my opinion but i dont blame evrything on them
nope i didnlt like i said before i dont even know who they are and allt hose quotes of course they are about immigrants that what i posted about and thats my opinion but i dont blame evrything on them
What do you blame on them? Some examples?
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:41
infact thats a good point i dont actually blame anything on them i just dont agree that if they come into our contry they think its okay to dress like they do (which it is thats perfectly fine) but when we go into their country we arnt sllowed to wear our own clothes
Wow you guys - have read this with interest! It certainly is a discussion which will prompt serious argument!
In my opinion, immgration laws are too lax, and some sort of changes regulating the control over it need to be made.
What we have to be careful of is that we dont "tar" everyone with the same brush. Because of recent highlights in the news regarding immigrants being released from prison after commiting this crime etc I think many people are becoming frightened into thinking that most crimes are committed by immigrants. In reality,this is far from the truth - you only have to study the amount of people in prison and compare this with the figures of those immigrants that have been released to see that it is an extremely small proportion of society.
Fear is a funny thing. I believe a large amount of British people believe we are losing our national identity, whereas I personlly like to think of it as progression towards a more peaceful society. Once we learn to cohabit peacefully, there is more chance at world peace. However if we cant accept each others religions and daily lifestyles then this will never be accomplished. Tolerance is a big issue. Neither religion be it christianity or muslim is right or worng, merely different.
I know many Asians who detest the actions of suicide bombers etc, as they feel it is a betryal to their religion. What we must bear in mind that this is a small proportion of people in a very large world.
To say that all Iraqi's etc hold the same beliefs is incorrect, and i think they would be extremely saddened to know this was the general consensus.
Please bear inmind it is the British public who vote in Mr Blair,so really, with regards to immigration,we only have ourseves to blame!
infact thats a good point i dont actually blame anything on them i just dont agree that if they come into our contry they think its okay to dress like they do (which it is thats perfectly fine) but when we go into their country we arnt sllowed to wear our own clothes
Each country has its own rules. Like I said: "When in Rome".
Drugs in Holland are accepted. Would you bring stash back into this country?
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:47
Drugs in Holland are accepted. Would you bring stash back into this country?
no i wouldnt 1 i dont do drugs 2 its illegal in this country therfore i wouldnt
infact thats a good point i dont actually blame anything on them i just dont agree that if they come into our contry they think its okay to dress like they do (which it is thats perfectly fine) but when we go into their country we arnt sllowed to wear our own clothes
im sorry but i have been reading this thread since it started try not to say anything! But really you started this thread by suggesting that all immigrants are rapists...and dont say you didnt...you did suggest that with the 70% stat which NB asked for the official stat you got that from and it still hasnt been produced...:cool:
Does it offend you when women wear the hijab (hope i spelt that right) and if so why??
there are thousands of religions in the world never mind the uk what the problem with everyone having a place to worship?? and for you info there are mosques in this country - a very good friend of mine goes to one every week in glasgow.
Each country has its own rules. Like I said: "When in Rome".
Drugs in Holland are accepted. Would you bring stash back into this country?
I wouldn't do it and think that if someone from Holland wants to come into this country, fine, but don't bring any drugs in as it is against the law here.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 21:54
i dot have a problem with immigrants! maybe i worded that wrong then but im sure i didnt say ALL immigrants are rapists i dont mid a lot of them my only point is that i dont think its fair that Some immigrants think its okay for them to do what they like in our contry but not for us to do what we want in theirs? i read its in the newspaper..the percentage thingy
Each country has its own rules. Like I said: "When in Rome".
Drugs in Holland are accepted. Would you bring stash back into this country?
Yes for medicinal purposes only :angel:
Wow you guys - have read this with interest! It certainly is a discussion which will prompt serious argument!
In my opinion, immgration laws are too lax, and some sort of changes regulating the control over it need to be made.
What we have to be careful of is that we dont "tar" everyone with the same brush. Because of recent highlights in the news regarding immigrants being released from prison after commiting this crime etc I think many people are becoming frightened into thinking that most crimes are committed by immigrants. In reality,this is far from the truth - you only have to study the amount of people in prison and compare this with the figures of those immigrants that have been released to see that it is an extremely small proportion of society.
Fear is a funny thing. I believe a large amount of British people believe we are losing our national identity, whereas I personlly like to think of it as progression towards a more peaceful society. Once we learn to cohabit peacefully, there is more chance at world peace. However if we cant accept each others religions and daily lifestyles then this will never be accomplished. Tolerance is a big issue. Neither religion be it christianity or muslim is right or worng, merely different.
I know many Asians who detest the actions of suicide bombers etc, as they feel it is a betryal to their religion. What we must bear in mind that this is a small proportion of people in a very large world.
To say that all Iraqi's etc hold the same beliefs is incorrect, and i think they would be extremely saddened to know this was the general consensus.
Please bear inmind it is the British public who vote in Mr Blair,so really, with regards to immigration,we only have ourseves to blame!
Agree with you totally there. The way forward is, as you rightly say, peaceful cohabitation. The way the public has been stirred up to a frenzy over immigration (and lets face it - even though we don't like to admit it - its down to race) is sickening. George Orwell got hit the nail on the head in 1984. Keep the population in perpetual fear. Create as many enemies as possible.
Blair is to blame. People often say Thatcher was a disaster. I'd say Blair is up there with her.
and kim when thousands of people come over here from ireland austrlia and all the other country's would you deny them jobs? there are millions of brits that travel to other country's and "steal their jobs" whats your view on that??
Yes for medicinal purposes only :angel:
:nono::lol:
Can I sit next to you on the plane? :angel:
I wouldn't deny them jobs, I just don't agree that Brits should be fired from their jobs in their own contries just for the sake of it being cheaper to have an immigrant to do the same job. I think the same should apply in all countries.
:nono::lol:
Can I sit next to you on the plane? :angel:
who needs a plane?
like the advert says "it gives you wings" oh no wait- thats red bull. damn. thats where ive been going wrong.
I wouldn't deny them jobs, I just don't agree that Brits should be fired from their jobs in their own contries just for the sake of it being cheaper to have an immigrant to do the same job. I think the same should apply in all countries.
Your IPod: Designed in Califonia - made in China
Chances are most of the electrical goods in your house were made abroad.
You would never get them so cheap if it wasn't for cheap labour and exploitation.
As for outsourcing - don't blame foreigners. after all, its the British companies that are doing the outsourcing and firing their own workers, not the foreigners!
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 22:09
this was meant to be a friendly disscussion but its gone way off that so i reckon this should be closed before anything happens that we regret lets face it we all have our different opinions on this subject and its going nowhere i dont want another under/over 16 thing!
As for outsourcing - don't blame foreigners. after all, its the British companies that are doing the outsourcing and firing their own workers, not the foreigners!
exactly with my work they are thinking about moving customer services to india and i may lose my job because of this - nothing to do with the workers in india its the big cheifs here who are deciding that.
this was meant to be a friendly disscussion but its gone way off that so i reckon this should be closed before anything happens that we regret lets face it we all have our different opinions on this subject and its going nowhere i dont want another under/over 16 thing!
as if you didnt know that by expressing your opinions (which you have every right to do) that this would get a few peoples back up....:rolleyes:
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 22:13
of course i knew a lot of peopel may disagree/agree whatever but it wasnt meant to go this far was just emant to be a friendly disscussion about immigratin
Your IPod: Designed in Califonia - made in China
Chances are most of the electrical goods in your house were made abroad.
You would never get them so cheap if it wasn't for cheap labour and exploitation.
As for outsourcing - don't blame foreigners. after all, its the British companies that are doing the outsourcing and firing their own workers, not the foreigners!
I agree with that, but, the amount of immigrants that are in this country means that the companies, and I'm not denying that it is down to them, employ the immigants to maximise their profit margins, so the well paid jobs are running out fast.
its a bit of a sore subject for lots of people, but its a good thing to discuss (providing you can back up what your saying with evidence).
dont feel like it has to be closed just becuase our opinions differ chick - thats the whole point of a discussion it would be boring if we all agreed!
I agree with that, but, the amount of immigrants that are in this country means that the companies, and I'm not denying that it is down to them, employ the immigants to maximise their profit margins, so the well paid jobs are running out fast.
but there you go again in reply to my post you said no you wouldnt deny them jobs - just when it was being outsourced - which means moving to another country in most cases - none can be saked in this country just because of their race and they certainly cant be underpaid just because of their race - we have laws against that
but there you go again in reply to my post you said no you wouldnt deny them jobs - just when it was being outsourced - which means moving to another country in most cases - none can be saked in this country just because of their race and they certainly cant be underpaid just because of their race - we have laws against that
I wouldn't deny them jobs, I just mean that inhabitants of a country should come before the immigrants in that country. It's not a racist view but no-one should have to go without a job in their own country because it is cheaper for the immigrants to do that job.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 22:27
dont feel like it has to be closed just becuase our opinions differ chick - thats the whole point of a discussion it would be boring if we all agreed!
i agree with that but some people make it seem like they want it to be more tahn a discussion so i thought it might be best if it was closd
I wouldn't deny them jobs, I just mean that inhabitants of a country should come before the immigrants in that country. It's not a racist view but no-one should have to go without a job in their own country because it is cheaper for the immigrants to do that job.
again we have laws that prevents people of a different race from being paid less than any other person
I wouldn't deny them jobs, I just mean that inhabitants of a country should come before the immigrants in that country. It's not a racist view but no-one should have to go without a job in their own country because it is cheaper for the immigrants to do that job.
Even if the immigrants didn't come here by choice, but were forced out of their countries because of Wars, for example!?
Because thats the case with several of my mates, and their familes. And i dont think that means they should go without jobs, homes, and a country.
They deserve just as much of a chance as the rest of us. Whether they're living in their home countries, or not.
Yes, laws which in my opinion are the whole problem on the immigration front. It's not the immigrant's fault that these particular laws are in place, but it does mean that people think that there are too many immigrants in this country because many jobs are being done by them, which leaves less for everyone else and if the problem continues, could lead to Britain's having to emigrate without any other realistic option.
I wouldn't deny them jobs, I just mean that inhabitants of a country should come before the immigrants in that country. It's not a racist view but no-one should have to go without a job in their own country because it is cheaper for the immigrants to do that job.
So, if a white person and a black person (an immigrant) go for the same job with the immigrant having the better qualifications and experience, in your view the white person should get the job.
What if the white and black person have the same qualifications and experience and both are born and bred in this country. Does the white person still get the job?
Even if the immigrants didn't come here by choice, but were forced out of their countries because of Wars, for example!?
Because thats the case with several of my mates, and their familes. And i dont think that means they should go without jobs, homes, and a country.
They deserve just as much of a chance as the rest of us. Whether they're living in their home countries, or not.
That way we'd end up going round in circles, Britain's would have to go somewhere else, then the people from that country would have to go somewhere else, and so on.
Yes, laws which in my opinion are the whole problem on the immigration front. It's not the immigrant's fault that these particular laws are in place, but it does mean that people think that there are too many immigrants in this country because many jobs are being done by them, which leaves less for everyone else and if the problem continues, could lead to Britain's having to emigrate without any other realistic option.
So by your own argument, the Brit emmigrating would bcome an immigrant in some other country. By your logic they should be denied a job in favour of a native.
So, if a white person and a black person (an immigrant) go for the same job with the immigrant having the better qualifications and experience, in your view the white person should get the job.
What if the white and black person have the same qualifications and experience and both are born and bred in this country. Does the white person still get the job?
In any case, the person who is best qualified to do that particular job should get it. The only time I see a problem with it is when the immigrant doesn't have better qualifications but gets the job just because it is cheaper to employ them.
In any case, the person who is best qualified to do that particular job should get it. The only time I see a problem with it is when the immigrant doesn't have better qualifications but gets the job just because it is cheaper to employ them.
AGAIN....its never cheaper to employ an immigrant we have laws to prevent that type of discrimination
AGAIN....its never cheaper to employ an immigrant we have laws to prevent that type of discrimination
Exactly - the wage is the same.
I mean, would you women expect to get paid less than men just because you were women?
Exactly - the wage is the same.
I mean, would you women expect to get paid less than men just because you were women?
No I wouldn't, because women won equal rights back in the early 1900's.
Exactly - the wage is the same.
I mean, would you women expect to get paid less than men just because you were women?
unless you work for glasgow city council who have just had to pay millions out to female workers because they have been doing just that
No I wouldn't, because women won equal rights back in the early 1900's.
so whats your point then?? They cant get paid less that anyone else so.....
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 22:45
can we just close this please its going nowhere and anything we say we cant get right so......
can we just close this please its going nowhere and anything we say we cant get right so......
I didn't close this thread when you aired your views and I'm certainly not closing it because you can't support your views.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 22:54
oh ok i was just trying to be the maturer one because i could see that this topic was getting a little personal but if you dont want to close it thats fine
oh ok i was just trying to be the maturer one because i could see that this topic was getting a little personal but if you dont want to close it thats fine
Its a debate on one of the hottest political topics around.
All I'm asking for is justification of arguments.
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 23:00
you cant justify your own opinions unless you put facts or whatever in them
you cant justify your own opinions unless you put facts or whatever in them
Exactly. so why don't you instead of throwing around hyperboles
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 23:04
hyperboles
hyperboles? i dont want to put facts in it because its my opinion which is what i think im not sayign what is and what isnt which would mean i would nead facts to back it up with
hyperboles? i dont want to put facts in it because its my opinion which is what i think im not sayign what is and what isnt which would mean i would nead facts to back it up with
If you have opinions and then you quote "rapes are done by 70% of immigrants" as fact to back that up, you must then support your fact - i.e. sources
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 23:11
i did because luna asked earlier and i said i read it in a newspaper to be precise it was the guardian
i did because luna asked earlier and i said i read it in a newspaper to be precise it was the guardian
Do you have an actual link? I did a search on the guardian site and nothing came up. :searchme:
Alot of stories came up about immigrant women being forced to work as prostitutes though
shannisrules
14-06-2006, 23:31
nope why would i have a link if i read it about a month ago in person not on the internet, ye thats another reason why i hate tony blair because he is letting so many in, a lot of women are "falling in love" with them therfore when they have to go back to their country they take the women with them and i read somewhere they have to have children or something so when the women are in their country they are forced to have babies and get married and eventually they can leave the country (somehow) but its a law that the baby has to stay with the father so the woman comes back to her country without her child that she was forced to concieve
nope why would i have a link if i read it about a month ago in person not on the internet, ye thats another reason why i hate tony blair because he is letting so many in, a lot of women are "falling in love" with them therfore when they have to go back to their country they take the women with them and i read somewhere they have to have children or something so when the women are in their country they are forced to have babies and get married and eventually they can leave the country (somehow) but its a law that the baby has to stay with the father so the woman comes back to her country without her child that she was forced to concieve
Whats so special about a British woman that a male immigrant needs to do that? Especially if he's going to stay in his native country?
Doesn't make sense at all. Mind you, its another xenophobic view. Sounds like an article from some right wing publication.
Lets face facts. The Health Service would collapse if it wasnt for immigrants, many of the service industries would fall apart if it wasnt for immigrants doing the jobs that us White Brits refuse to do for the minimum wage. What I disagree with is immigrants of whatever race, creed or colour coming over to the UK and sponging off the state with no intention of ever putting anything into the country. I also feel that they should accept Britain as it is and not try to change it into the type of country they want it to be. If they want an Islamist/Hindu/Budhist/Atheist state then there are many countries that they would be better suited in without having to change this Green and Pleasant land. As for those who complain about Mosques and Temples being set up, obviously there are congregations to fill them. How many of you actuall go to your own Church on a Sunday. Probably the last time was when someone called you names and threw water over you or Auntie Maggies funeral.
shannisrules
15-06-2006, 08:06
Whats so special about a British woman that a male immigrant needs to do that? arnt they supposed to have like 5 wives or something
Wow I'm really amazed as some of the ignorance and total lack of understanding in some of these posts.
We've even had the stealing our women and jobs thing!
I know of several english women who go specifically to places like Turkey to pull Turkish blokes!!! So is that not the same thing or worse?
Also nobody has mentioned the influx of european immigrants such as Polish people who will work there arses off in jobs that most people wouldnt touch with a barge pole. But is that ok because they are white?
Each country has its own rules. Like I said: "When in Rome".
Drugs in Holland are accepted. Would you bring stash back into this country?
When in Rome is very apt. When visiting the vatican whilst on holiday last year I was told that I couldn't enter unless my arms were covered. Not vest tops or shorts were allowed (females only). I did not have a problem with covering up, it is only manners to respect other peoples beliefs.
di marco
15-06-2006, 09:50
ok before i have my say, i hope i dont offend anyone here cos ive tried not to, but if i do then i apologise in advance
i think there is definitely a problem with the immigration system in this country, but thats the governments fault, not the immigrants themselves, as the majority of immigrants are over here for legitimate reasons and abide by the law, its just the minority that are a problem but cos they are the only ones we ever hear about, people assume that thats what all immigrants are like. i suppose its like any group of people really, the small minority do something wrong and then everyone is tarred with the same brush, which isnt fair, but its not surprising seeing as it happens with other groups of people in society not just immigrants
i have no problem with immigrants coming over here cos they are fleeing their country cos of war or cos they will be killed by their government or something if they stay in their country, i also dont have a problem with immigrants who come over here and get a job and so pay their way instead of just sponging off the state, the immigrants i do have a problem with however are the ones that go around casuing trouble and sponge from the state (and before anyone says anything, yes i know that not all immigrants are like that)
also, not all immigrants come from the iraq area. there are also people coming over here from places in africa cos their country isnt safe. this is from personal experience, but i know of 2 separate families that have come over to this country from zimbawee (sp?), neither family i have a problem with and i will explain my reasons why. at my old school we had a teacher who had come over from zimbawee (sp?) with his family as the conflict over there between the people and the government had already got his brother killed (i dont really know much about the situation in zimbawee so i apologise if i get anything wrong but im sure you all get the general idea anyway). anyway, so they came over here so that they could be safe which i think is a legitimate reason, also instead of scrounging (sp?) off the state, he got himself a job, and this wasnt a job that he was taking away from british people cos there are a shortage of teachers anyway, he could speak the english language (so there wasnt a problem there) and my sis said he was a really good teacher, he also on several occassions helped members of my form with their gcse french work cos he could speak french and so wanted to help. the reason im telling you this is to show that he is an immigrant but he has come over here and is really trying to make the effort to help the country, hes filling a job that might otherwise not have been filled and is going out of his way to help the younger generation (regarding the french which he didnt have to do) so that they could leave school with an extra gcse which could then help them get a better job later on. the other example is a friend at school who has also come over from zimbawee, like the teacher, he can also speak english and so there is no problem having him at an english speaking school, his dad is also a teacher and so again isnt sponging off the state and is doing a job which the school might not have been able to fill overwise cos of the lack of teachers. in neither of these 2 cases are they resembling what people would think of as immigrants, they arent sponging off the state and theyre not going round causing trouble, they are just normal everyday people
however, i also have personal experience of the type of immigrant that scrounges off the state and causes a nuisance. in recent years where i live has seen a large increase of illegal immigrants travelling up from the ports at dover, our local town centre is now swarming with kosavans who mostly seem to be men in their 20s (not families) and all they do is cause trouble, they steal from shops, mug people, make indecent remarks to people walking along the street (so much so that people from my old school didnt want to walk down there to get their bus home cos of the comments that were being made and these groups of men following them), they get given houses to live in by the council, and dont have a job so are just scrounging off the state, i have also heard some of them make remarks about getting together with local femlaes (i say females cos as i said before the large majority of them seem to be males) as they know that if they have a family over here then there is much less chance of them being sent home. and just to make the point, i am not grouping all kosavan males together, i know that there are probably loads of law abiding kosavans that come to this country, im just saying what its like in my area
so what im trying to say is, no wonder people have such bad opinions of immigrants if all they see is the "criminal" immigrants that go around casuing trouble, and so thats why people make (although uncorrect) judgements about all immigrants in general, which is highly unfair cos as ive already said there are genuine immigrants that come over here and get a job and behave like any british member of society, they dont dictate how the countrys run and they are genuinely thankful to be over here and so just want to get on with their lives. these are the sort of immigrants i have no problem being over here, they needed to escape their own counrtry and they are living in ours peacefully, the other immigrants that abuse the law and think they can do whatever they please while sponging off the state are the immigrants that i feel shouldnt have the right to be here unless they are going to do something worthwhile
I have read this thread with amazement, and not a little sadness.
We are all immigrants if you go back far enough. Vikings, Romans, Normans etc etc.
Anglican Christianity only begain 450 years ago! Britains have gone out and spread this around the world, why is that acceptable?
Remember that Jesus was a Jew.
Through emigration we have sent our culture round the world, at the same time destroying some cultures that have existed for millenia. Is that okay?
I would like to quote accurate statistics regarding the percentage of rapes in this country carried out by immigrants but I cannot find any.
I can say that 76% of rapes are carried out by the CURRENT or FORMER PARTNER of the victim, and that only 8% of rapes are carried out by people unknown to the victim. I can also say that 99% of rapes are carried out by men.
What should we do about that? Ban marriage and execute all men?
With regards to pay legislation.
Women only got equal rights regarding pay in 1975! Yep - you read that right.
Treat others as you want to be treated yourselve, live and let live and don't let blatent xenophobia and racism colour your views.
The Scottish Executive is actively encouraging immigration into scotland. Why? Because we don't have enough skilled workers IT, dentists, doctors, plumbers etc. We are letting poor countries train essential workers and then 'stealing' them!
At the same time many agricultural businesses depend on immigrant workers for fruit picking etc. Poorly paid jobs that no one else wants.
Who is exploiting whom?
lollymay
15-06-2006, 11:57
ive got no problem with some immigrants. in my area there are alot of immigrants and at the moment we are on the verge of gang wars - for example a forginer was set on fire while he slept in his van.
also round her i really dont agree with this - forigners are getting free driving lessons while i who have lived here all my life will have to fork out money for this.
also in my area we have a lot of immigrants that do not follow our rules. they drive up on the paths, i saw one nearly hit a small child the other day because the car was on the path and then had the cheeck to yell at the small child.
ive got no problem with immigrants if they come over here and live by the same rules that we have to but if they dont it is then that i have a problem.
pinkfirefly
15-06-2006, 12:02
Wow! This has been the most interesting thread for along time!
I agree immigration needs to be stricter and I agree we shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush.
I have several friends who have came here from various different countries and yes they all work, they agree that this country is letting too many in without checking their backgrounds as they know alot of people who are noutrious in their countries for drugs/shootings etc and have been allowed to come over here! So yes thats wrong but we have to remember its not all of them.
If you go in hospital or a member of your family does, just look around and think on...would you be ok if there was just english people working there? would the hospital still be open..I don't think so
There is a poultry slaughterhouse near us (about 3 miles away) and the majority of workers there are Polish. There has been quite an influx of Polish living in our small village, but they are only doing the job they are because, as someone has previously said, for some reason, some British people feel its below themselves to work for minimum wage, in an environment like they would be working in, which admittedly, a poultry slaughterhouse isn't exactly the nicest of working environments. In my mind though, if you need the money to provide for your family, you darn well work for it, dont expect it to be handed out to you for nothing.
We had a group of 3 Polish people living opposite us for a while and they worked darn hard. Yet they had no furniture in their house or a television. Just a small old transistor radio they used to listen to at night. They used to survive off of basic bread and beans mostly, so they could send most of their wages home to their families each month.
The vast majority of immigrants are genuine, hardworking people. Unfortunately, like anything in this world, we only get to hear about the minority, that do sponge off the state (with no intentions of finding work), which do annoy people. Then everyone ends up tarred with the same brush.
The immigration laws do need looking into and sorting out. There seems to be a huge difference in who stays, who is granted asylum and who is deported, depending on where abouts in the UK they are living. The lack of background checking, etc also appears to be an issue.
But if people come here to live, they should abide by our laws, but they also shouldn't be singled out constantly. But they also shouldn't be let off lightly for fear of not being politically correct.
Like Trinity said, I was always brought up with the "treat others the way you wish to be treated" which occasionally doesn't seem to exist anymore, but I still live my life by it.
arnt they supposed to have like 5 wives or something What a strange reply. Certain religions permit their members to have more than one wife provided this is in keeping with the law of the land. Not all immigrants belong to one or other of these religions so do not tar all immigrants with the one brush.:nono:
I agree that non British nationals who commit serious crimes in this country should be deported.
I would say deport them straight after the trial - save the taxpayer the expense of keeping them in jail.
That said, the vast majority of people who come here from other countries come from within the EU and work here legally, just as so many British people work in Europe, the US, Australia etc.
British people need to stop moaning about how everything is someone elses fault and get off their butts and put some work in!
At my work we have intelligent people from all over the world working together to advance human knowledge and understanding. And that is exactly how it should be.
I have read this discussion with great interest, Although I disagree with some of the things that have been said I cant help but think that there is definitely something wrong in this country when it comes to refugees etc.
This is just my opinion so please don't jump on me for it.
If Someone wants to live in this country then they should follow all of our laws, they may be different to theirs at home but that's the way it is. Recently there has been a lot in the new about things that could offend different cultures such a flying our English flag and if i remember rightly there was something in the new around Christmas that said all these decorations and nativity plays were offensive! Also my nieces school has changed the words to baa baa black sheep to stop any offence. Now this is probably the government taking political correctness to the extreme but it does get me back up. Also why cant they learn our language their is nothing more frustrating when you walk around my city and no-one speaks English. If I was to move to another country, the first thing i would do is learn their language. In fact even when i go on holiday I always make the effort to learn at least some of the language. Its just polite is it not ?
I cant deny that there are some good points to having foreign people over here some of them to contribute to the economy in a great way and yes a lot of them take jobs that no-one else really wants. Maybe its the paper and such that make things worse by only printing bad stories about them.
However there are a number ( not sure of the true statistics so please don't ask me ) That come here, get a house, given money for a car ( i know this happens as my father in law works a car dealerships and he has people come in with a cheque to buy a car, its supposed to help them find a job!!!!) They are then given benefits when they haven't even payed anything into the system as of yet, no doubt they will at some point. I was in my local council a few months ago to put my name down on the housing list as my other half is on long term sickness and can no longer afford the high rentage we pay at the moment, and to my astonishment the woman behind the counter told me that if I had children, unemployed or was and immigrant then i would have been put closer to the top of the list, but as i have chosen to work for what i get since i was 15 and wait until i feel mature enough to have a child I'm put to the bottom.
I think i read somewhere on here that a large amount of crime is committed by immigrants. you only have to watch crime watch or read the papers to see this.
This is not to say that British people don't do all of the above because we are just as bad and probably worse in some cases but you cant deny that things/law are different in other countries and what is deemed unlawful disgraceful over often has a blind eye turned to in other countries. Why should it be upto the tax payer to try these people and then deport them. If they don't follow our laws surely they should go back a be tried against their laws.
I also cant help thinking that if they are a true refugee aren't they supposed to take up refuge in the first available safe country. Now I cant believe that a little old country like the Uk is the first one they come to. Its because our government is such a soft touch and they know it.
Please don't take this as I'm putting all foreigners into the same basket. I have many friend and family ( by marriage) that would probably be classed as immigrant. This is probably just a number of cases. I suppose its the illegal immigrants that cause the most hatred. The people that go through the proper channels have done as they are supposed to and fine.
JustJodi
15-06-2006, 14:09
Well did you know I am an immigrant ??? I came from the USA to Holland.. I came to Holland when the laws for non dutch nationals were lax and any one could get in,, 6 months after I recieved my residency permit.. the laws changed.. the rules became stricter for immigrants to come in Holland,, but the problem is,, its harder to shut the barn door once the horses have escaped. Ok here is how it is supposed to go, the person or persons who are interested in immigrating into Holland ,must learn the language, learn the culture BEFORE coming to Holland, they will be tested upon arrival, once in Holland, they go to the Gementee house ( sort of like a city hall ) they are asked to watch a DVD.. shows all the life styles that are acceptable in Holland ie, homosexuals making love, getting married, nudist beaches, pornography and prostituation, oh and legalized drugs ( shows people smoking in a coffee house etc ) if what these people see is offensive to them,then they are free to go back to their own country..What happened was ,, the 2nd generation Turkish and Morroccan men find the women of their country in Holland, not respecting the old ways( they have become too"westernized" ), so they go back to their old country to get a wife who still practices the old ways...Once the women are here, the men make sure they do not take the REQUIRED language course, cos it is not their way to have their women educated, people like that hide behind their religon,,Now all of this will stop..the women are required to take the language/culture course before arriving to Holland, they can not fudge it, cos they will be tested orally and will see if they can write it as well, and see if they learned any of the culture. If they haven't then too bad,,, they stay where they are.
I am not sure if these new laws are going to be affective but I just wanted to give you all an idea what happens over here in Holland.:searchme:
Why dont we have something like that in place! ? or do we?
But this doesnt really solve the problem of illegal immigrants, but would make it easier for people to settle into their new way of life.
If you remember a few months back there was a new article regarding the first cohort of immigrants passing their 'Britishness' test'. Whatever that is!
If you google it I am sure something will come up.
From reading the thread above it appears to me that what people are complaining about is really crime and not immigration at all. Perhaps I am being naive?
Sweeping generalisations do not help, every single person is an individual, and you cannot blame the colour of their skin or their religious affiliation for their actions.
Are all white people hard working, law abiding and honest?
I don't think so...
I also find it quite bizzar that people are assuming that all immigrants in this country are non white or are just from Iraq, Packistain etc
I also find it quite bizzar that people are assuming that all immigrants in this country are non white or are just from Iraq, Packistain etc
You are right, most immigrants currently are from the newly enlarged EU, which now covers 35 countries including Czech republic, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary and Baltic states such as Latvia etc.
The vast majority of these are white. The Scottish Executive recently ran a campaign to encorage Polish dentists to relocate to Scotland to ease the shortage of NHS dentists.
Lets not forget the many Kiwis and Austrailians who visit long term and run the Scottish hospitality industry in the summer!
What makes white immigrants better or more acceptable than their coloured peers? Nothing more than the racist bias of the people judging them.
so whats your point then?? They cant get paid less that anyone else so.....
So Britons will end up getting forced out of their country because too many immigrants are being allowed in, and appear to be taking all the job opportunities, regardless of having the better qualifications for the job or not.
So Britons will end up getting forced out of their country because too many immigrants are being allowed in, and appear to be taking all the job opportunities, regardless of having the better qualifications for the job or not.
Forced out of their country? Where's the evidence for this?!
So Britons will end up getting forced out of their country because too many immigrants are being allowed in, and appear to be taking all the job opportunities, regardless of having the better qualifications for the job or not.
I'm sorry but thats totally BS. I've not heard of anyone being forced out of England cause there are no jobs.
Granted people leave to go to other countries to get better jobs or just because they want to work somewhere else, see the world etc. Employment is at an all time high in this country
I'm sorry but thats totally BS. I've not heard of anyone being forced out of England cause there are no jobs.
Granted people leave to go to other countries to get better jobs or just because they want to work somewhere else, see the world etc. Employment is at an all time high in this country
I'm not saying that there is, I said that if the amount of immigrants coming in does not decrease then it could well be the case.
So Britons will end up getting forced out of their country because too many immigrants are being allowed in, and appear to be taking all the job opportunities, regardless of having the better qualifications for the job or not.
A lot of immigrants are doing jobs that most british/irish people would turn their nose up at and yet they are the first to give out that "foreigners are taken our jobs".. Bull****!!! This immigrants work for less money and do more work so employers are happy. If employers were forced to pay the immigrants the same money I feel then, qualifications will come in to it
So do immigrants work for less money or the same? I've had my say on both of the scenarios and now you're just saying the complete opposite of each other.
We have a few polish people working for us, they are qualified teachers and they are doing manual work. Who is exploiting who?
For the record the highest qualified person I work with is an Iraqie with a PHD from Bristol Uni!
We have a few polish people working for us, they are qualified teachers and they are doing manual work. Who is exploiting who?
For the record the highest qualified person I work with is an Iraqie with a PHD from Bristol Uni!
Well that is fine, the immigrant should therefore have priority to the job. From what I have heard the majority of immigrants don't have many qualifications, that is if they have any, and it is these immigrants taking the jobs that I have an issue with.
Well that is fine, the immigrant should therefore have priority to the job. From what I have heard the majority of immigrants don't have many qualifications, that is if they have any, and it is these immigrants taking the jobs that I have an issue with.
What on earth do you mean that the majority of immigrants dont have qualifications, any ideas where you got that from.
I agree there have been cases of positive descrimination within for example councils, but this is not necessary just for immigrants this can include disabled people and people who are non white British citizans etc
So do immigrants work for less money or the same? I've had my say on both of the scenarios and now you're just saying the complete opposite of each other.
the majority of immigrants work for less money cause they need to live so they take anything no matter their qualification..
Well that is fine, the immigrant should therefore have priority to the job. From what I have heard the majority of immigrants don't have many qualifications, that is if they have any, and it is these immigrants taking the jobs that I have an issue with.
Walk into any hospital. Chances are most of the doctors will be immigrants with a high level of education.
I know immigrants with PHd's but because they don't have a NI number, they can't work even though they want to and are more than capable of doing so.
Walk into any hospital. Chances are most of the doctors will be immigrants with a high level of education.
I know immigrants with PHd's but because they don't have a NI number, they can't work even though they want to and are more than capable of doing so.
NHS dentists are another prime example of this as well
What on earth do you mean that the majority of immigrants dont have qualifications, any ideas where you got that from.
I agree there have been cases of positive descrimination within for example councils, but this is not necessary just for immigrants this can include disabled people and people who are non white British citizans etc
We were told that in Geography last year, and what about all the people you get phoning up who don't understand a word you say?
NHS dentists are another prime example of this as well
I had an immigranrt dentist and I was not happy with them at all.
I had an immigranrt dentist and I was not happy with them at all.
for what reason, that they were immigrant or that they were a bad dentist? You can get really bad dentist of every nationality.. The worst denist I ever had was an irish guy
I had an immigranrt dentist and I was not happy with them at all.
I'm just glad I managed to get an NHS dentist!
for what reason, that they were immigrant or that they were a bad dentist? You can get really bad dentist of every nationality.. The worst denist I ever had was an irish guy
It was because he was a bad dentist. He wouldn't give me treatment when needed it, now the treatment I have to have is worse and I'm petrified of having it.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
15-06-2006, 17:20
I have been reading this thread with great interest and during the Endland match!! This has really caught my interest!! I found this post by Trinity most interesting:
From reading the thread above it appears to me that what people are complaining about is really crime and not immigration at all. Perhaps I am being naive?
Sweeping generalisations do not help, every single person is an individual, and you cannot blame the colour of their skin or their religious affiliation for their actions.
Are all white people hard working, law abiding and honest?
I don't think so...
I totally agree that this thread seems to be more about the crimes than the immigration!! I agree that you can't blame or say something about someone just because of their skin colour and where they come from or from their religion!! I also agree with the answer to your question...
I found this post by NB interesting and I agree with it 100%..
Walk into any hospital. Chances are most of the doctors will be immigrants with a high level of education.
As been said already.. also goes for dentists and just all the medical and stuff and jobs!! Without the immigrants we could have less health things.. (I apoligise for now knowing many long/formal words and not explaning myself properly but in time I shall edit this post to make more sense!!)
I also apologise if I offended anyone in my first post.
Cornishbabe
15-06-2006, 17:37
Down here in our own little country miles away form anywhere we dont actulary have very many immigrants at all. Probably only about one in 50 people at the most are not white brittish. Its really wierd when I head out of cornwall to see such a mix of cultures. But I do also find it really wierd when youve grown up your whole life with one culture and you travel to a city and there is such a mix. I have never had any problems with immigrants but im guesing thats because ive never really come acrros them.
It was because he was a bad dentist. He wouldn't give me treatment when needed it, now the treatment I have to have is worse and I'm petrified of having it.
So why stress the fact that they were an immigrant dentist?
I had an immigranrt dentist and I was not happy with them at all.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
15-06-2006, 19:05
I know this is going to sound pretty dumb.. and it probably is but..
Are muslims the only immigrants or do immigrants come from all over the world? It's just that I thought immigrants come from all over the world but some people say muslims instead of immigrants.. which gives me the impression that muslims are the only immigrants.. If you get what I mean?..
Hope this has not caused offence as I hardly know what I'm talking about here..
So why stress the fact that they were an immigrant dentist?
If he'd given the treatment when I first needed it, I wouldn't need a needle or anything, but he didn't, so now I have to have an anaesthetic, which I am terrified of.
I know this is going to sound pretty dumb.. and it probably is but..
Are muslims the only immigrants or do immigrants come from all over the world? It's just that I thought immigrants come from all over the world but some people say muslims instead of immigrants.. which gives me the impression that muslims are the only immigrants.. If you get what I mean?..
Hope this has not caused offence as I hardly know what I'm talking about here..
No they can come from all over the world. I think Muslim immigrants are the most common though, as someone mentioned them specifically in one of their posts.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
15-06-2006, 19:19
No they can come from all over the world. I think Muslim immigrants are the most common though, as someone mentioned them specifically in one of their posts.
Thanks for clearing that one up lol.. :)
Yeah that's why I asked and got a bti confused..
CrazyLea
15-06-2006, 19:24
I'm like Spicy, have no clue what I'm talking about here, so feel free to correct me or something...
The dentist thing, all dentists make mistakes, not just immigrant dentists, so I don't think you can blame the dentist just because of his nationality really.
Also, I don't think muslims are the most common immigrants, I think there are a lot of Americans, Australians, Chinese and Japanese people who have come here. Particularly where I live, there is a lot of Japanese people in my college for instant, and that's only one place...Although, are the Japanese Muslims? That might be where I'm wrong?! lol
Immigrants come from all over the world, and from all of the world faiths.
There are asylum seekers from the worlds trouble spots e.g. at the moment Afganistan and Iraq, and economic migrants from all over the world who hope to make a better life for themselves and their families here.
There are many highly trained and educated people amongst the migrants, just as many of our graduates travel to see the world and have a better quality of life in, say, Australia or the USA.
I would guess that the people who complain the loudest about immigrants are the less educated, unskilled workers who see other people getting on in life and not them.
I do not grudge people who have faced danger at home sanctuary in Britain. Likewise I am grateful to the skilled migrant workers who help keep the NHS on it's feet.
As for all the layabouts living on social security and not even trying to gain the skills required to be productive in this society - I don't care what colour, nationality or religion you are - get of your bums and get a job!
It is my understanding that Muslims are a religion, they come from all over the place! Muslims are not a race of people so IMO have nothing to do with immigration. Yes you may have people from places like India, Packistan etc who are Muslims but its a totally diffrentnt thing to what part of the world you come from
I have two muslim friend, one from Algeria and the other from Bosnia. They came over here years ago, took english courses and now work with me. Muslim is a religion, not a race. You can get all nationalities/creeds who believe in a religion
I have two muslim friend, one from Algeria and the other from Bosnia. They came over here years ago, took english courses and now work with me. Muslim is a religion, not a race. You can get all nationalities/creeds who believe in a religion
Talk about having to state the obvious! Don't kids in England get RME at school these days?
Talk about having to state the obvious! Don't kids in England get RME at school these days?
I am not sure if it is allowed.. In my daughter school there is no RME as there is too many religions but when she had to do her catechism for her communion, she will have to stay 1 hour after school
I am not sure if it is allowed.. In my daughter school there is no RME as there is too many religions but when she had to do her catechism for her communion, she will have to stay 1 hour after school
In Edinburgh RME is compulsary all through schooling from Primary 1 until 6th Year in High School.
My eldest son is 14 and just starting 3rd year at High School and he gets 2 periods of RME each week. Religious and Moral Education covers all the worlds main faiths Islam, Sikism, Hindu, Christianity, Buddism etc.
I used to think it was a waste of time, but after reading this thread I think that it is essential to help kids understand the world around them.
In Edinburgh RME is compulsary all through schooling from Primary 1 until 6th Year in High School.
My eldest son is 14 and just starting 3rd year at High School and he gets 2 periods of RME each week. Religious and Moral Education covers all the worlds main faiths Islam, Sikism, Hindu, Christianity, Buddism etc.
I used to think it was a waste of time, but after reading this thread I think that it is essential to help kids understand the world around them.
I think it should be in all school and it would end what people hear about other religions and would help understand what other beliefs are then maybe they won't be so quick to judge others
di marco
16-06-2006, 10:31
re is compulsory over here until year 11, but to be honest i didnt really learn much in it, and they only really concentrated on hindus and muslims, i dont think they really covered any other religion such as jews or sikhs (sp?) etc
Agreed Di M - my eldest studies RE at high school at the moment as a core subject, so as far as I'm aware its still contained within the curriculm and hasn't been dropped. Although if I remember back to when I was at school (scratches head trying to think that far back) I can remember that I didn't tend to pay much attention to what was being taught, as it was a "boring" subject, so it wouldn't surprise me if its the same now.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
16-06-2006, 15:43
As soon as next school year kicks in.. (September).. RS/RE will be compulsory subject to take till Year 11.. this means we need to do it for GCSE.. Everyone hates the subject and continously go and on about it.. can you blame us?! I guess because of all of this and other issues we are made to take this.. But I still can't help complaning.. no one likes it!!
As soon as next school year kicks in.. (September).. RS/RE will be compulsory subject to take till Year 11.. this means we need to do it for GCSE.. Everyone hates the subject and continously go and on about it.. can you blame us?! I guess because of all of this and other issues we are made to take this.. But I still can't help complaning.. no one likes it!!
RE is compulsory here too. I hated it all through primary as we only did like 45 minutes of it a week and the teachers were not well qualified to teach the subject from what I could gather. They would improvise and when they ran out of things to say, turn round and say "right, we're doing maths now!"
High school in year 7 I hated it, due to poor teaching. I loved it in year 8 and if we were picking options at that time and it wasn't compulsory, I would have picked it. My levels almost went off the scale of national curriculum levels. I hate it again now, the teacher is totally rubbish and she tries everything in her power to give you lower levels than you are actually at.
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