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This is probably going to cause a lot of arguments and get people's blood boiling but this is something I do feel strongly about. First let me say I have absolute nothing against Single parents but I feel that they get way to much for doing nothing. I know lots of people in this suitation, including my own family but I am just sick of working my ass off, paying taxes and not getting anything in return. Because I am technically still married I am not entitled to housing, additonal benefits or crech subsidy. I have to work to pay for everything. I can't get a mortgage as I am a single person but I am expect to pay high rent cause I work
To make it clear for everyone if I use EE as an example. Demi as a single parent can get house, single parent allowance and cheap creche if she needs it. Little Mo cause she is still married will not be entitled to any of this (just to point it out, this is the way it works in Ireland, i am not sure about the UK). So I am asking: Do you think it is fair that I work my ass off and pay taxes so that a single parent can have house, rent relief and all the other benefits.
Sorry if anyone takes offence to this, it is not as it is intented, I am just venting my frustration at how crap a system this all is :angry: :angry: :angry:
I'm in agreemet with Siobhan on this one. Its not fair to tar every single parent with the one brush. I worked with a girl here who was better off splitting from her hubby renting a house and claiming benefits than she was when she was working. I brought up three kids and had to work to keep them. I could not have survived on state handouts. I know there are many genuine cases out there but ther are a hell of a lot of them milking the system. The system is wrong. It sems the bigger rogue you are the better you are treated. I pay my income tax, national insurance v.a.t. etc and recieve no state benefits and the way things are shaping up under Tony Bliar it looks as if I will not even get an old age pension. RANT OVER
When I had Stephen at 17, I was accused of doing it just to get a house as that was the "trend" at the time - didn't matter that I conceived whilst on the Pill etc though, I went back to work full time from having him, worked my backside off and refused to take benefits - I hate it when people stereotype all the time and the system is definitely unfair - you shouldn't have to work like you are Siobhan...
my sister is married with two kids. she works part time and her husband works full time but still they are struggling to pay the mortgage. if either my sis, her hubby or the kids are sick, it's at least 45 euro for the dr. then prescriptions on top of that.
my brother on the other hand has a girlfriend and a baby. they have a beautiful house which they only pay about 100 euro for a month as she gets rent allowance, she gets i don't know exactly how much but around 150 euro a week single parent allowance and my brother has his weekly wages. she and the baby also have medical cards, the health board helped pay for her pram, cot etc. so in other words they have plenty of money.
do the right thing (my sis) and get punished or screw the system and get awarded (my bro). it makes my blood boil. :angry:
i agree with you too, the system sounds rubbish too since this is the first ive ever heard about it
my sister is married with two kids. she works part time and her husband works full time but still they are struggling to pay the mortgage. if either my sis, her hubby or the kids are sick, it's at least 45 euro for the dr. then prescriptions on top of that.
my brother on the other hand has a girlfriend and a baby. they have a beautiful house which they only pay about 100 euro for a month as she gets rent allowance, she gets i don't know exactly how much but around 150 euro a week single parent allowance and my brother has his weekly wages. she and the baby also have medical cards, the health board helped pay for her pram, cot etc. so in other words they have plenty of money.
do the right thing (my sis) and get punished or screw the system and get awarded (my bro). it makes my blood boil. :angry:
That is the same with me Skits.. I have to pay for Doctor and I feel bad that I tell people I couldn't take time of to go to Doctors as i lose my pay too.. I am not saying all single parents are the same but what annoys me the most is that it is my taxes that go towards subsidising social welfare... How is that fair????
it's not fair. the system is wrong. i'm not saying the government shouldn't give anything to single parents, but the criteria should be much stricter and they should give money to all parents espeically those on low income no matter what their marital status.
i also think every child should be given a medical card.
When I had Stephen at 17, I was accused of doing it just to get a house as that was the "trend" at the time - didn't matter that I conceived whilst on the Pill etc though, I went back to work full time from having him, worked my backside off and refused to take benefits - I hate it when people stereotype all the time and the system is definitely unfair - you shouldn't have to work like you are Siobhan...
single mum s getting a house just because they are single mum sdrive me mad!! and there are a lot of them down here who actually say if i have a kid i can get a housem and they do. it really pees me off beacuase when i had connor we were living in a run down, one bedroom, mouse infested damp flat!!! so damp we had mushrooms growing in our bathroom, we had been on the council lift to get a house so we can settle since i was 18 and yeah we thought oh well having a baby would help us get a house!! oh no we were mistaken! they said we were adequately housed!! :eek: yet a friend who moved down from scotland and split with her man 3 months after went to the council and got given a 3 bed house in a fab area within days of asking for one!!!!
she told them she had been evicted, if they had bothered to check tey would have no she didint!!
luckily for us dave finished his colege course and got a well paid job, and we rented privavtely! Now we could do with a new place coz of hubbies leg but we would rather look for one ourselves, waiting for the council it would never happen!!
we live on benefits now, not out of choice but out of necessuty, my hubbie had a fab job that supported us all and allowed me to stay home, illness has meant he can no longer work and until september thats houw it is gpoing to be!
i get annoyed with lazy gits on benefits!! i dont kow how they can stand to be at home all day, ive done it for 5 years and cannot wait till septemeber to either gpo back to work or college!!
**gets ready for a rant**
I know two women, sisters, who dont work have every benifit going have their partners living with them unofficially. They both go to the bingo 5 time s a week £20 a time, have a back massage once a fortnight, have the best of everything clothes, tv's dvds players highest package on there tv if they wont something they just buy it whenever they feel like. And just two weeks ago applied for a hardship loan to pay off their holiday to greece AND GOT IT!!!!
There are three people living in this house and we are all full time workers and we can hardly afford half the things they have. They have never worked a day in their life even before having the kids.
This just really pees me off big time!!!
I really do hope someone reports them soon - im not going to do it cause i wouldnt be able to keep my mouth shut!!!! :mad: :mad:
**rant over**
waiting for the council it would never happen!!
ive been on the council list for 7 years in sevral different areas and never been offered last time i checked i think i was in the hundreds for all of them and one of the women i i was tlaking aboutn in my other post just got one because she privatly rented for a while never paid her rent so called the council told them and had a house the next day!!!
crazygirl
12-04-2006, 19:09
people on disability benefit who should not be on it make my blood boil! i know 2 people that claim it and work on the side! a man who lived near my mum claimed disability because he was to fat to work and he got a mini bus! another thing that angers me is people on the sick get £10 bonus at christmas why not give it single parents or parents on a very low income?
I have to agree. We have too many state spongers. Single mothers isn't the only issue. People are screwing the system as there aren't any checks in place to prevent people scamming the system.
With the current housing market, can anyone explain to me how a working person is unable to afford a property whilst an unemployed person I know has 3. The employed are the ones supporting the unemployed and what do we get? Higher taxes and no pension because the Govt we voted in has spent our pension funds.
This country is truly screwed and the soon Blair and Gordon go the better.
and people with a drinking problem who get an allowance every month to buy drink
crazygirl
12-04-2006, 19:49
and people with a drinking problem who get an allowance every month to buy drinkyes your correct alcoholics get paid extra!!
yes your correct alcoholics get paid extra!!what, they gte paid extra!!!! Well somethings not right there
get labour out and start again is the answer. people decide to stay on benefits rather than fall into the poverty trap (where they get a wage increase at work and then the benefits stop, so they end up less well off). also, benefits are higher than the minimum wage, so thats screwed up.
Chloe O'brien
12-04-2006, 20:59
I am a single parent working part-time 3O hours a week. I get tax credit as well but although the government give it too me in one hand they are taking it away with another. I have to pay full rent and full council tax as well as full school dinners for marley. I live on a crappy housing estate but i cant afford a mortagage on my income. When I was 16 a lot of my friends got pregnant because they were able to get their own house and live rent free. For most of them things havent changed I know one female who has 2 kids aged 16 and 13 and she has not done one days work since the day she left school back in 1983. but yet they managed to go to boozing every weekend and their kids all go around in designer gear, while muggins here feels guilty if I buy a cheap bottle of wine on a saturday night and buys all her kids clothes at asda or matalan
di marco
12-04-2006, 21:14
omg i have so much to say on this subject, i dont know whether i should or not or whether ill be able to stop lol!
well to start with someone who i used to go to school with has got herself pregnant, now before anyone says anything, i dont have a problem with teenage mothers and she is 17 and accidents happen etc, but she doesnt take precautions and use protection (i know this cos her mother thinks this is something to be proud of!), she got herself pregnant last year and had an abortion, this time shes decided to keep it cos she knows she can get a house straight away as soon as the babys born, she hasnt had a job since leaving school 2 years ago and from the sound of it the father doesnt work either (the father last time was an illegal immigrant so its possibly the same bloke!). so anyway shes going to get her own house cos she has a kid even though for the past 2 years she hasnt bothered to get herself a job!
another person i know is the same age as my mum and has never worked in her life, she has 6 kids by 4 different dads and has a council house, benefits and gets brand new everything, she got all her carpets done the other month even though it was only about 5 years ago that the council did them for her last time, my family cant afford to have all our carpets redone that often! she got a really expensive cd player long before we had one in our house, and her kids are always in the latest named clothes. before she used the excuse she couldnt have a job cos she had young kids, now the oldest kid is 11 she decided that she has (and ive completely forgotten whats its called, when you have a phobia of open spaces) and so she cant get a job cos she frightened to leave the house!
one more thing, this ema allowance for people that stay on at school. i think the idea is a good one, that families that have a low income get money for staying on at school so that they can afford to, thats fine as long as the money is being used for just that. however the money goes into the pupils bank account not the parents and so i know a lot of people who dont give their parents any of the money and use £30 a week to go shopping. this money could be better used to give to families that actually need the money, cos these kids dont need to spend £30 a week on clothes, my parents cant afford to give me anyway near that amount of money!
sorry for the rant, i just think that the families that genuinely need council houses and some extra money are being left to cope on their own while the people that either dont need it or dont deserve it get it all! :angry:
crazygirl
12-04-2006, 21:19
what, they get paid extra!!!! Well somethings not right thereyes if you are a registered alcoholic you get paid extra on top of your sickness benefit for your drinking money because its classed has an illness :mad:
people on disability benefit who should not be on it make my blood boil! i know 2 people that claim it and work on the side! a man who lived near my mum claimed disability because he was to fat to work and he got a mini bus! another thing that angers me is people on the sick get £10 bonus at christmas why not give it single parents or parents on a very low income?
you can claim disabilty allownace and still work.
Becksfanz
13-04-2006, 01:40
yeah I agree that it is unfair system. I know somepeople who get benefits and always have plenty of money to have good things, sometime they lie to get the benifits. Sometime I stuggle as Im student and got KID Sydrome which mean I would have to start to pay for the creams and oils once I finish college next month and I work my ass off but still dont get much money as some people who get benfits god
di marco
13-04-2006, 08:02
yes if you are a registered alcoholic you get paid extra on top of your sickness benefit for your drinking money because its classed has an illness :mad:
well thats silly, cos then theyre just going to carry on drinking arent they! if the government didnt give them any money then they wouldnt be able to drink as much and might even be able to give it up
Well people will always abuse the system and they always have done but for those of us who genuinely do need to be on benefits it's not fair for us to be lumped in with the same group of people known as "scroungers".
It's very easy to label everybody who is on benefits a "scrounger" just because they might not look physically incapable of working and that is what is unfair not the actual system itself.
I can't see how they can stop people from abusing it because like I said it's always gone on and it will probably continue to go on for a very long time too.
It's not the system that's unfair though because if you need to be on benefits you can apply and recieve benefit money, what is unfair is those that don't need to be on benefits being on them but what do you suggest they do to change this? I would say that it would be almost impossible to totally stamp benefit fraud out.
I completely agree with you on this but it is the genuine people who need benefits that are not getting as much as they should because of Scroungers.
right here we go...........................
i am a single parent with 2 kiddies, when i had niall who is now 10 i was on income support for 5 years until he started school, i hated cashing my book every week. as soon as he started school i got a job straight away and i have worked ever since, when i had niamh i went back to work when she was 10 weeks, i do have a houising assocaiton house but i am waiting for a bigger one as my 2 have to share a room they are 10 and 2, and a girl and a boy. and as i found out the other day i have gone down on the list again i have been waiting for 2 years and have got at least another 18 months - 2 years, it feels like i am being peanalised for not being able to afford a morgage as houses fround here are anything from 180k up!!!
iii am sure i have been shunted down the list by these people that just sit at home popping kids out and getting the state to pay for them!! i would love another kid but i just can't afford it, i do have a boyfriend but my house is so small that we can't live together!! it really does my head in!!!
i work 20 hours a week and get tax credits and i am so much better off than being on benefits, i just guess some people just don't want to work!!
just to point out i am niot haveing a go at anyone i have been there done it and got the t-shirt, its just my point of view!!
crazygirl
13-04-2006, 11:37
you can claim disability allowance and still work.what :confused: well you are supposed to be unfit to work when your disabled :confused:
what :confused: well you are supposed to be unfit to work when your disabled :confused:
nope, its a benefit on top of your wages
dave gets it becuase of his hip problems and if he wants he can return to work and still get the money. its a benefit to help with everyday things, thathe needs to get around
pookie1968uk
13-04-2006, 14:35
it is a fact that many single girls get pregnant to jump to the top of the benefit queue. they get flats, prams, everything. ( we got told by a friend in housing)
lollymay
13-04-2006, 15:18
sligtly related to this topic - in my town if you are an immigrant from certain 'poorer countries' in the EU you have free driving lessons, but me on the other hand who is from a single parent family will have 2 pay full whack. unfair.
and when you get pregnant when you are on income support you get £500 to but baby stuff, if you are on tax credits you don't even though the pay is about the same. makes you really want to go out to work!!
Chloe O'brien
13-04-2006, 21:49
When I was on maternity leave after having marley I was sent to see one of these one parent advisors at the job centre to discuss my opporunitites although I had a part-time job to return to with my employers because i was recieving benefits I had to attend the appointments. Anyway at the interview she told me that I should seriouslu consider not returning to work once my maternity leave was up as I would be better off on benefits rather than working and recieving tax credit. Its no wonder that so many people stay on the dole if this is the advice they are getting
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