Rebecca storyline!

[littlemo]

It was really hotting up tonight, wasn't it! Fancy Margaret allowing Pauline to see Rebecca, I really couldn't see that happening. I thought they would have to manipulate her in some way.

What do you thinking Pauline's big plan is to get Rebecca back in the family? I've got a feeling that Pauline may use the fact that Margaret has allowed her to see Rebecca against her, it could be seen as her not coping.

I can see Margaret's emotional state going against her in court. I know the Fowlers at the moment, as Ian put it 'don't have a leg to stand on' but there's bound be something going on in Pauline's head, which is going to shock everybody. This plan is continously been emphasised in the magazines, but I have no idea what it is. Anyone who knows please share! I'm thinking even more it may be to do with Margaret's state of mind, anyone agree?

[di marco]

but surely even if paulines plan is the best in the world, if martin and sonia dont want rebecca back then the judge wouldnt give her to pauline?

[Behemoth]

And also I don't think that Margaret being upset and fragile because of her daughter's death would be seen as not coping.

[.:Kitz:.]

i agree

[littlemo]

And also I don't think that Margaret being upset and fragile because of her daughter's death would be seen as not coping.

That's a fair point, but I definetely think Pauline isn't going to just leave it to one visit and move on. As far as she's concerned she is her grandmother, and blood is more important, Margaret's a stranger in her eyes. She can't believe a son and daughter in law of hers would walk out on their own child, even though she's adopted.

I think Pauline will try every trick in the book, to get her granddaughter back, what ever it takes she will do it. Who knows what will happen, but she's not going to give up is she!

[crazygirl]

ok so let me guess.. margaret is gonna be finding it hard bringing up rebecca so it might be best if she goes back to the fowlers!! i think i could be right here i can see it already!!

[littlemo]

ok so let me guess.. margaret is gonna be finding it hard bringing up rebecca so it might be best if she goes back to the fowlers!! i think i could be right here i can see it already!!

Yes I can see this happening. It's funny that when Pauline wanted to get custody of her (shortly after Sonia gave her up), she thought she was the ideal person (what could be better than her grandmother lol). And now in Pauline's eyes Margaret is too old, and Rebecca shouldn't be with a retired pensioner. It's like it's one rule for Pauline, and another for everybody else. I think Margaret is quite a young grandmother, I don't think she looks that old. I think Pauline looks much older than her. All we need now is Carol to turn up, and then Rebecca will have 3 grandmothers fighting over her. And I wonder what Neil's mother is like? It would certainly be an eye opener if the Jacksons came back. I think Lindsey Coulson would consideer, what do you think?

[parkerman]

but surely even if paulines plan is the best in the world, if martin and sonia dont want rebecca back then the judge wouldnt give her to pauline?

If it looked possible they might get her back I think Sonia would want her though.

[Rory18]

i think there dragging the story out a bit to much

[tammyy2j]

I hope Rebecca stays where she is. Pauline, Sonia and Martin don't deserve her. She is with a grandmother who loves and the is only family she now knows.

EE please axe the Fowlers and Ian

[Siobhan]

EE please axe the Fowlers and Ian

Nah just Pauline and Ian... Martin and Sonia are fine

[crazygirl]

well now we know how rebecca comes back in

[Rory18]

weve known for ages

[sarah21]

No we haven't. This story has only been going about a month. Compared to all the Shannis will they/won't they or the Zoe, Dennis and Sharon storylines, this has only just started. I'm enjoying it because I prefer character led stories.

I'm wondering if Pauline will go after custody of Chloe and to stop her from getting her, Sonia and Martin will be forced to try themselves. Just a thought ..

[dddMac1]

i don't know whether Martin and Sonia can legally get Rebecca back

[Toxic]

Maybe Margaret dies? does anyone know if the Fowlers get Chloe back?

[littlemo]

i don't know whether Martin and Sonia can legally get Rebecca back

I'm really not sure. But I agree that if it did look like Pauline was getting somewhere with Margaret Sonia would want to be involved. How can Martin expect Sonia to stand back and watch as Pauline continues contact with their daughter? Is Sonia supposed to just turn a blind eye, pretend it's not happening? Is she expected to just get on with her life, forget everything that's gone on. I know that's what she wants to do now, because it's too hard for her to think about Rebecca, she knows the situation is hopeless, but if it wasn't, things probably would be different.

If Margaret lets her Pauline is going to be a big part of Rebecca's life. How can Martin and Sonia know that and not get involved? It is their decision to leave Rebecca be, but I don't think they can for long. As Rebecca grows up she's going to wonder why she had such a good relationship with her real gran, but none whatsover with her parents (that's if Pauline continues seeing Rebecca throughout her life, and the situation doesn't change).

[di marco]

i don't know whether Martin and Sonia can legally get Rebecca back

i wouldnt have thought that sonia would be able to get chloe back as she signed over all rights to her. however martin didnt sign away his rights and so he might be able to get her back

[littlemo]

i wouldnt have thought that sonia would be able to get chloe back as she signed over all rights to her. however martin didnt sign away his rights and so he might be able to get her back

I don't know how it would work with Martin. He wasn't named as the baby's father on the birth certificate. And I know that the father doesn't have to give permission for an adoption if he is not married to the mother. Plus when Martin did find out he did have a say, Pauline wanted to fight for custody and Martin put his foot down and told her he didn't want his daughter back. So this probably could go against him in court.

Natalie Cassidy has said that there has been a lot of research done in this case, so whatever happens can happen. I'm sure there's some loop hole, which has yet to be discovered. I think everything was done by the book, but I'm sure Pauline will dig something up.

[callummc]

i for 1 think it will be good for pauline and margaret as they have a lot in commen cos they have both had to bury 1 of their children this could give them a bond which could mean that the child will eventually gain,cos she will have 2 grans who help each other instead of fight over her,this is the way i hope things will happen anyway

[RIP_Rubbish_Gangster]

I think it's all a big fat joke. What a stupid and irresponsible storyline.

[fosse]

I should really like to see Pauline get her come-uppance, for her double standards and obsessive need to control her children's lives. She has recently sulked for Britain when Sonia and Martin went behind her back (for very good reasons!) to see Rebecca, now she is doing exactly the same thing herself. Of course, she will have an excuse for her own sneaky selfish actions, whilst condemning everyone else for doing anything that has not been given her prior seal of approval.

Pauline should see just how lucky she is to still have Martin and Sonia willing to live with her, and for the continuing support of good friends like Dot and Derek, despite her bitter and spiteful attitude towards anyone who crosses
her, be it family, friend, or complete stranger.I hope that she never has the chance to exert her misguided influence on Rebecca, especially if Pauline continues to go against the wishes of Martin and Sonia. You think that she would have learnt by now that she only drives her family away, by her constant interference and selfishness.

[instinct]

i think that the fowlers get chloe bk through the fact that i believe that margret hits her, i am predicting this the way she is hostile towards her if this becomes true you heard it from me first.

[Paddy]

I think it is horrible what pauline is doing, not only is she going against the wishes of ther son and daughter in law, but she is also trying to take Chole away from a woman who has lost almost everything, Chole is all Margaret has left, if Pauline manages to get Chloe then Margaret would probably sink into deep deep depression.

[Angeldelight]

i understood why Sonia had to know how 'Rebecca' was as she is her mother and will always feel responsible for her. BUT what Pauline is doing is wrong, if she really cared about her AT ALL she wouls leave her alone to grieve in peace with the ONLY gran-ma she has ever known, trying to be part of her life it just going to confuse and upset her. Wy can't she see that? she's doing more harm than good!!!!

[emma_strange]

I hope Rebecca stays where she is. Pauline, Sonia and Martin don't deserve her. She is with a grandmother who loves and the is only family she now knows.

EE please axe the Fowlers and Ian

But EE just wouldnt be the same without the Fowlers or Ian, they've been around for like....ever

[Angeldelight]

yeh exactly they're like part of the scenary you WOULDN'T miss them if they WEREN'T there, i would really like to see Pauline fall flat on her face over this STUPID battle over Rebecca, leave the poor little girl alone, she's only gong to confuse and upset the child!!!!

[i_luv_dennis]

i do hope sonia gets her bk

[sarah21]

yeh exactly they're like part of the scenary you WOULDN'T miss them if they WEREN'T there, i would really like to see Pauline fall flat on her face over this STUPID battle over Rebecca, leave the poor little girl alone, she's only gong to confuse and upset the child!!!!

Well I certainly would miss them. You need history in a show.

Pauline is an evil old witch as Sonia pointed out tonight. Not only is she messing with Chloe's life but she is opening up old wounds for her son and his wife. Sonia was barely holding onto her sanity tonight, she is trying so hard to do what is best for Chloe despite all her feelings for the child. The way Pauline spoke to Sonia was outrageous and downright nasty and now she is going to manipulate the girl at her most vulnerable. Dreadful woman! :angry:

[littlemo]

i think that the fowlers get chloe bk through the fact that i believe that margret hits her, i am predicting this the way she is hostile towards her if this becomes true you heard it from me first.

Do you mean that Margaret hits Pauline or Rebecca?! Where did you get this from? I could understand how she would hit Pauline, she's upsetting her coming round and Margaret thinks she is trying to take her grandaughter away, but I don't think that would be a good enough reason to take Rebecca and put her with the Fowlers though. I don't think it would make it more likely she would hit Rebecca. Hitting another woman the same age as you, because they are being hurtful, isn't the same as hitting a child.

However if you mean she hits Rebecca that would definetely effect the case. I think it's wrong to hit a child even your own. There's very strict laws on it these days, and that's quite right, it's child abuse!

Watching Margaret with Rebecca the other night, it did seem she doesn't have that much patience. When Rebecca was saying how much she wanted Pauline to stay, Margaret really snapped at her, however I don't know if this would turn into abuse. Margaret does seem to care about her. It would be very interesting if it did happen, Sonia, Pauline and Martin would be furious, them going round there telling her what's what, that would be a good episode. Sonia would probably hit Margaret!

[Rach33]

i do hope sonia gets her bk

Why hasn't that poor child suffered enough without having strangers marching into her lives they should all leave her well alone and let her grieve for her mummy and daddy

[littlemo]

Why hasn't that poor child suffered enough without having strangers marching into her lives they should all leave her well alone and let her grieve for her mummy and daddy

Yes but if it's true about Margaret hitting Rebecca then that's not on! Although I suppose if she did turn out to be a child abuser, it wouldn't neccesairily mean Rebecca would go back into the social sysem, I understand she's got a lot of other family (like the auntie they mentioned the other day). I don't know how the Fowlers would find out about the abuse. I suppose it would be due to Pauline's interfering. If it is true that is. Please if somebody knows about this storyline let me know!!

[Rach33]

But we don't know that's true and even if it was Martin and Sonia will NOT get her back she'll either go to another family member or back into care for other foster or adoptive parents

[littlemo]

But we don't know that's true and even if it was Martin and Sonia will NOT get her back she'll either go to another family member or back into care for other foster or adoptive parents

I know Margaret hitting Rebecca is just a rumour, but if it did happen I could see how Pauline would be able to use this as a way of manipulation. Like if Sonia and Martin were to find out that Margaret had hit their daughter, I know Sonia for one would be up in arms. And if Pauline were to suggest they fight to get her back, they may be more inclined to go for it.

It has been said by many there would be a possibility the Fowlers could get her back. They've got quite an interesting message board on Talk Walford (I don't know how true it is), but it makes some good points.

[Angeldelight]

[QUOTE=littlemo] Do you mean that Margaret hits Pauline or Rebecca?! Where did you get this from? I could understand how she would hit Pauline, she's upsetting her coming round and Margaret thinks she is trying to take her grandaughter away, but I don't think that would be a good enough reason to take Rebecca and put her with the Fowlers though. I don't think it would make it more likely she would hit Rebecca. Hitting another woman the same age as you, because they are being hurtful, isn't the same as hitting a child.

However if you mean she hits Rebecca that would definetely effect the case. I think it's wrong to hit a child even your own. There's very strict laws on it these days, and that's quite right, it's child abuse!

Watching Margaret with Rebecca the other night, it did seem she doesn't have that much patience. When Rebecca was saying how much she wanted Pauline to stay, Margaret really snapped at her, however I don't know if this would turn into abuse. Margaret does seem to care about her. It would be very interesting if it did happen, Sonia, Pauline and Martin would be furious, them going round there telling her what's what, that would be a good episode. Sonia would probably hit Margaret! [QUOTE]


BUT what you have to think of is that Margret had to come to terms with loses her daughter, then her grand-daughter's birth parent's turn up out of the blue, she's guna have a fear of lose and rejection, then when it finally looks like everything will get better PAULINE FOLWER turns up at your door and want's to see her grand-daughter.

You could clearly see that Rebecca and Pauline had gotten on well and Margret is going to feel threatened by that, remember she's her adopitive gran-ma and when she saw them getting on so well, it would have brought a lot of emotions up to the surface.

Try putting yourself in her shoes, she's trying to get on with her life after losing a child and help her grand-daughter come to terms with the fact that she'll NEVER see the only parent's she's ever known AGAIN. when the birth family appear and it's OBVIOUS that they ge on weell, ir's guna make her feel insecure and scared, she probably couldn't cope with losing her grand-child after everything else.

[littlemo]

BUT what you have to think of is that Margret had to come to terms with loses her daughter, then her grand-daughter's birth parent's turn up out of the blue, she's guna have a fear of lose and rejection, then when it finally looks like everything will get better PAULINE FOLWER turns up at your door and want's to see her grand-daughter.

You could clearly see that Rebecca and Pauline had gotten on well and Margret is going to feel threatened by that, remember she's her adopitive gran-ma and when she saw them getting on so well, it would have brought a lot of emotions up to the surface.

Try putting yourself in her shoes, she's trying to get on with her life after losing a child and help her grand-daughter come to terms with the fact that she'll NEVER see the only parent's she's ever known AGAIN. when the birth family appear and it's OBVIOUS that they ge on weell, ir's guna make her feel insecure and scared, she probably couldn't cope with losing her grand-child after everything else.[/COLOR]

Some good points. I do think that Margaret feels threatened by Pauline. Margaret's always been her grandmother. And maybe she feels Rebecca will love Pauline more than her, as she grows up and realises the situation for herself. I don't think Rebecca would feel that way unless the situation changed, but I do think this is what's crossing Margaret's mind at the moment.

I do feel sorry for Margaret, losing her daughter, it must be very upsetting for her. And I can see that the Fowlers getting involved in Rebecca's life is stressful too, but I also think it could be beneficial to Rebecca. I know Sue and Neil have always been Rebecca's parents, the ones she's known and loved, but now they've gone, she's never going to have any parents again. I know Rebecca's supposed to be from a big family, but it'll never be the same, as having your mum and dad with you. Sonia and Martin aren't the ones she sees as her parents, but she's 4 years old, she's got 14 years until she's 18, that's practically an entire childhood. Sonia made one mistake when she was a kid, she thought she was doing the right thing giving her up, but it hurts her everyday. I don't think she deserves continual punishment. And she loves Rebecca so much, having her in her life isn't wrong (I don't think).

I don't think it would be impossible for Rebecca to get to know Martin and Sonia maybe not as her parents at first, but they could see her, and she doesn't have to parted from her gran. There is an arrangement they could come to if they really wanted to. I think it's cruel to keep everyone apart, Rebecca needs all the support and love she can get. As Jane said the other night Pauline is just another person to love Rebecca. I know Pauline doesn't intend to just trot along happily, and I don't think Margaret intends to keep her visiting a permanent arrangement. I think her fear of losing Rebecca, may be clouding her judgement.

Although I understand Martin and Sonia's feelings, not wanting to upset and confuse Rebecca, so deciding to stay away. It's a very difficult situation.

If this abuse storyline is right, I don't know what will happen. I'm not sure if I see Margaret as abusing Rebecca, although she does seem quite stern and strict. The audience don't get to see what happens after the Fowler's leave the house. She seems quite caring, it's difficult to imagine. But it would be a very good storyline to do. Despite the circumstances Rebecca seems very happy.

[Angeldelight]

But you have to understand that when Rebecca was given up adoption Sonia and martin made the decision to give their a daughter 'a life' with some one else who would love her just as much.

i can understand that it is sometimes unfair to keep a child and it's parents apart, but they gave her up and can not be a part of her life as much as they want to.

They have seen for themselves that she is well cared for and loved, what more could you ask for, for your child?

i can't see Margert abusing Rebecca at all but even if they do this storyline Sonia and Martin still CAN NOT get her back, they have to base storylines like this on reality and you can't change your mind and get back a child you've given up in reality.

[sarah21]

But you have to understand that when Rebecca was given up adoption Sonia and martin made the decision to give their a daughter 'a life' with some one else who would love her just as much.

i can understand that it is sometimes unfair to keep a child and it's parents apart, but they gave her up and can not be a part of her life as much as they want to.

They have seen for themselves that she is well cared for and loved, what more could you ask for, for your child?

i can't see Margert abusing Rebecca at all but even if they do this storyline Sonia and Martin still CAN NOT get her back, they have to base storylines like this on reality and you can't change your mind and get back a child you've given up in reality.

No you can't change your mind once a child has been adopted and Sonia and Martin are well aware of this. However, she is now an orphan and that is what makes all the difference. Nobody has any legal rights to the child, not even Margaret. The Fowlers don't realise it yet, they still believe they have no rights. EE have researched this thoroughly according to Natalie Cassidy and they will only do what can happen. I believe the whole reason they have killed Chloe's adoptive parents off is because they can get her back.

[Angeldelight]

i have asked a number of people about adoption and i also know some one who is adopted and they have all said they WILL NOT get her back what ever the circumstances.

They couldn't get her back in reality, and wouldn't it make a better storyline if after all this heartache they still couldn't get her back?? Think about, they're would be so many MORE possibities for storylines that stem from them not getting her back. it would effect a lot of people in the square not just Sonia and Martin!!!!

[littlemo]

No you can't change your mind once a child has been adopted and Sonia and Martin are well aware of this. However, she is now an orphan and that is what makes all the difference. Nobody has any legal rights to the child, not even Margaret. The Fowlers don't realise it yet, they still believe they have no rights. EE have researched this thoroughly according to Natalie Cassidy and they will only do what can happen. I believe the whole reason they have killed Chloe's adoptive parents off is because they can get her back.

Yes I think Martin and Sonia could get Rebecca back, if they changed their minds. I read what Natalie Cassidy said and from this I feel the Fowlers maybe leading up to a custody battle. I read on here a few months ago that they were set for this to happen in June or July, because apparently a law is about to change at this time, which would change the turn of events. I can't remember what was actually said. If anyone remembers please let me know.

I have a feeling Sonia and Martin may come around eventually. If Pauline continues to see their daughter, I don't see how they could take a back seat.

[di marco]

i also think that sonia would want to go and see rebecca if thats what pauline is doing

[littlemo]

i also think that sonia would want to go and see rebecca if thats what pauline is doing

Yes I don't think Sonia could watch Pauline go and visit her daughter, for the rest of her life and not get involved. Martin and Sonia want to put the past behind them and move on, but Pauline would make it impossible to do so if she continued with seeing their daughter. I don't think even Martin could not get involved if Pauline insisted on permanent access. I think a custody battle is likely to happen in the future. But I don't know if Martin would be easily convinced.

[sarah21]

i have asked a number of people about adoption and i also know some one who is adopted and they have all said they WILL NOT get her back what ever the circumstances.

I was told by someone who workd in family law that the adoptive parents being dead makes all the difference. They can apply for custody.

I don't know which way this is going to go and I don't care, so long as EE stick to the rules.

[Angeldelight]

i really hope that they don't get her back as it could open the door ti all sorts of storylines. plus what they have to think about it the message they are sending to veiwers, NOT just EVERYONE can change their minds and try and get back a baby they gave up!!!

[instinct]

thats what i mean the margret hitting rebecca one, i know its bad but what other way are the fowlers going to get her bk and we all know that ee wants her to be apart of the fowlers so they are going to have to think of a way and i cant see any other way.

[Sarah Gregory]

At the end of the day there is no way that Pauline would get rebecca back.
If you have a child adopted thats it. you can never get the child back.
Rebecca is legally maragrats grandchild cos her daugther adopted Rebecca.
So at the end of the day. Pauline has no rights. Pauline should just let the matter drop. No doubt one day sonia and martin will have another baby.

Also adopted kids do sometimes look for the real parents when they are older.

[alnatcam]

If Rebecca is now an orphen, what is the legal position regarding the original adoption? Is it now nul and void?

[Sarah Gregory]

I think that cause there is Family of the adoptive family to take care of the child. Then I think the child has to remain with them. The child knows them. The child does not know its real family only its adoptive. So to put the child with strangers would be unsettling. It is better the child goes with the members of the family its always known.
If you have a baby adopted thats it you give up all rights. You have no chance to get the kid back even if its made an orphan. If she had of fostered the child then she could get it back. But adoption is differnt its final. So to have Sonia and Martin get their child back would not be realisic.

[Alisha]

I think this storyline is really interesting. In do think that Sonia, Martin and Pauline have lost all rights to Chloe. This happened when she signed the adoption papers but now the adoptive parents are dead, it lies with the courts now. They have to make a decision which is based on the best interests of the child.

I know on the outside it would be nice for Sonia and Martin to get their daughter back and be happy but it really does send out a negative message to adoptive parents out there. Plus Rebecca has been raise around people she knows and those who she perceives as family. I really do think it will disrupt her to move her now and raised in another family. It's not fair on Margaret and her extended family to lose her just because her natural parents have had a change of mind. I have a funny feeling that in the end Sonia and Martin won’t gain custody in the end if that’s what they end up trying to do in the end.
What ever the conclusion may be though, it's got to be a realistic one. From what I have heard ee have done a thorough amount of research on this one so the conclusion is bound to be creditable what ever the outcome.

[cazza137]

No we haven't. This story has only been going about a month. Compared to all the Shannis will they/won't they or the Zoe, Dennis and Sharon storylines, this has only just started. I'm enjoying it because I prefer character led stories.

I'm wondering if Pauline will go after custody of Chloe and to stop her from getting her, Sonia and Martin will be forced to try themselves. Just a tho ught .. i think pauline being pauline she will force sonia into feeling so bad she will give up and applly for custody.

[dddMac1]

Martin and sonia have lost all rights to Chloe would be good if they could get her back cause the both really care about her

[hazey]

It would be nice for Martin and Sonia to get her back, but can you imagine what it would be like....Pauline saying :dont feed her this, dont let her do that, I will take her to school, I will choose the school......... :rotfl:

[sarah21]

i think pauline being pauline she will force sonia into feeling so bad she will give up and applly for custody.

That sounds about right. The way she is meddling, I can see her manipulating them into doing just that .. :bow:

[callummc]

this is one of them storylines where i miss den,what would his reaction be cos with him adopting sharon he would definatly be against paulines plans,he knows what it would be like to be the adopted parent,also if 1 of his kids had died and left him with the kid would he have allowed the natural parents poke their noses in

[eastenderfan_91]

I heard that apparently social services come round to Paulines after Margret tells them about Pauline visiting (but I am not 100% sure on this)

[di marco]

I heard that apparently social services come round to Paulines after Margret tells them about Pauline visiting (but I am not 100% sure on this)

yeh that happens next week

[melanielovesdennisrickman]

Hiya!!!!!
I can understand why Margaret isn't happy with Pauline visiting all the time,because she has just lost her daughter,and son-in-law-,and she is probably really scared that she will loose her granddaughter too!!!!!

Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:

[.:SpIcYsPy:.]

That Pauline.. :angry:

[melanielovesdennisrickman]

Hiya!!!!!
Yeah,I think that Pauline drives evrybody mad,even Dot Branning sometimes!!!!!

Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:

[eastenders mad]

yeah your right there who would want to be friends with Pauline????????????

[Angeldelight]

i couldn't be friends with her... i'd rather chop off my own head...

[di marco]

i couldn't be friends with her... i'd rather chop off my own head...

lol sounds like more fun than being friends with pauline!

[melanielovesdennisrickman]

lol sounds like more fun than being friends with pauline!

Haha Yeah LOL,your absolutely right there,LOL!!!!!
Anything sound more fun than being friends with Pauline Fowler!!!!!

[di marco]

Haha Yeah LOL,your absolutely right there,LOL!!!!!
Anything sound more fun than being friends with Pauline Fowler!!!!!

did ya hear that kitz? anything would be more fun....................so how about that tank of piranhas lol!!! :D