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Should schools select pupils by giving interviews?
no cause it could discriminate against the poor and Disabled
di marco
07-02-2006, 15:39
no cause it could discriminate against the poor and Disabled
erm how would it discriminate against the poor and disabled, i mean they can talk as well?
It doesn't discriminate.I have done 3 different interviews for schools. It's very good. I mean one guys I know was quite clever but he was exceptionally disruptive and rude and just really badly behaved. The school wouldn't have known that if they just accepted him. I think interviews are fine, I didn't mind doing them. How does it discriminate? They're not asking them to run 10 miles or give them a grand. They just want to see what you're like, sensible, clever, witty etc.
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JustJodi
07-02-2006, 16:02
erm how would it discriminate against the poor and disabled, i mean they can talk as well?
Not all disabled people are able to speak..And I can vouch for that . People with ceberal palsy some times are not able to speak clearly at all, so it depends on which disabled person they choose. With a deaf person, they would have to hire an interpreter,so they rather not be bothered. So it is a clear cut case of discrimination.
No one wants to hear the views of a poor child,it reflects badly on the government.. so they choose the best and the brightest looking kids, with no "flaws" its just the way things have always worked.. this is just my personal opinion on things.
They would probably have some way to sort out if someone with cerebal pausy had an interview. I had to do my first one when I was 7 and it isn't that bad.I don't really see a problem with it
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Not all disabled people are able to speak..And I can vouch for that . People with ceberal palsy some times are not able to speak clearly at all, so it depends on which disabled person they choose. With a deaf person, they would have to hire an interpreter,so they rather not be bothered. So it is a clear cut case of discrimination.
No one wants to hear the views of a poor child,it reflects badly on the government.. so they choose the best and the brightest looking kids, with no "flaws" its just the way things have always worked.. this is just my personal opinion on things.
thats Exactly my Point JustJodi
di marco
07-02-2006, 16:24
Not all disabled people are able to speak..And I can vouch for that . People with ceberal palsy some times are not able to speak clearly at all, so it depends on which disabled person they choose. With a deaf person, they would have to hire an interpreter,so they rather not be bothered. So it is a clear cut case of discrimination.
No one wants to hear the views of a poor child,it reflects badly on the government.. so they choose the best and the brightest looking kids, with no "flaws" its just the way things have always worked.. this is just my personal opinion on things.
im not really sure what ceberal palsy is, but over here children with mental disabilities dont usually go to the same school as everyone else anyway (well not from what ive seen where i live). so would the deaf person need an interpretor to go to that school then, cos if they did then surely they wouldnt have them there anyway if they couldnt be bothered with an interpretor for the interview? also they wouldnt really be discussing the views of a poor child, theyd be talking about how they work and stuff like that, i dont think whether youre poor or not reflects on how well behaved you are or how hard you work
no way i think schools should accept kids or not none of this selecting whose in your school or not. That is the reason why i am completly against Private schools.
no- becuase you might be a perfect student but if you get nervous and don't really speak then they might not accept you just on the grounds of shyness. also, if you are poor then you might not be as well dressed as someone who is say upper middle class, and they reject you on that basis
See the problem is, i'm a bit for, and a bit against. I think interviews should be used to seperate those who will, and those you wont work, whether they are disabled or not. There are so many poeple in my year that spend all day pissing around, which can be so annoying. So i think interviews would stop that, and allow the rest of us to work. However, this probably wouldn't be effective, as people can blag their way through. So overall, the theory of interviews would be worthwhile, but in practise? I doubt it would. People would just complain that the school is prejudice, or discriminating them.
~charlie-lou~
07-02-2006, 19:42
I have only just got back from a scholarship In Wales where I had an interview, and I wouldn't say it is at all discriminative. I mean, someone could get the best exam results in the country and still be horrible, disruptive and a bad influence, surely?
I don't think so, one interview doesn't mean anything. It's not fair if someone is a shy, nervous person.
no- becuase you might be a perfect student but if you get nervous and don't really speak then they might not accept you just on the grounds of shyness. also, if you are poor then you might not be as well dressed as someone who is say upper middle class, and they reject you on that basisthats exactly what i was thnkink plus id all school were like that you may never get into a school and we all have the right to an education!!
di marco
09-02-2006, 19:56
plus id all school were like that you may never get into a school and we all have the right to an education!!
you would get into a school cos if all schools operated like that then the kids that did well in the interviews would get a place at the school they wanted to go to then all the schools that had places left would have to take the other kids
Most disabled go to specialist schools.
Just going from my personal experience, when I started school we were put into groups based on ability. I remember I used to work extremely hard to compete to be top. Then they made the classes mixed ability. All I remember is that the standards shot down.
Its not nice to say it but I think discriminating on ability can be a good thing, and if that means interviewing them, then fine.
nicole28
10-02-2006, 12:26
I definately think yes! School children have a say in them type of things! It is unfair for us to be treadted without any respect and no say in anything!
In my school, I had to do a test and an interview to determine which level class I was going to be placed in. Like your school NB, are classes were based on ability. We had 3 level of classes: high , intermediate and lower. High were given more subjects and the pace of the class was more then in the other groups.
Most disabled go to specialist schools.
Just going from my personal experience, when I started school we were put into groups based on ability. I remember I used to work extremely hard to compete to be top. Then they made the classes mixed ability. All I remember is that the standards shot down.
Its not nice to say it but I think discriminating on ability can be a good thing, and if that means interviewing them, then fine.
Nowadays in Scotland almost all disabled children go to local mainstream schools and are supported within class by teaching assistants. I personally know of one child who is blind, almost totally deaf and physically disabled who goes to a main stream high school. Special schools were considered divisive and closed.
In addition all children who would have previously attended list D schools now go to local school, which now possess 'units' where they can be sent when they are too unruly. Too unrulry usually constitutes swearing whilst threatening the teacher with a doing on the way home, possibly while brandishing a knife. The disruption to other children in the class until it reaches this point is almost total - day after day.
I am lucky that my children are in good local schools. I have friends who work in bad local schools and I couldn't do it.
I am in favour of setting and streaming on ability. However, I believe that this should depend on test results and not interviews. What you wear, who you parents are and your accent should have no bearing on the chances you receive in local authority schools.
I might be going off on a tangent here, but you may also have cases of positive descrimination, where schools would maybe accept people from poorer background or puipls with disabilities so they get more funding??
I might be going off on a tangent here, but you may also have cases of positive descrimination, where schools would maybe accept people from poorer background or puipls with disabilities so they get more funding??
True. It should be based on ability - positive discrimination can go too far.
I do believe in education for everyone. But I am also a realist. Discrimination can be a positive benefit if done in the correct manner. the sytem I was in originally was good. If you did well, you got moved up a set. If you did badly you moved down. in each case, your needs were addressed.
I had a great time when the classes got mixed. But we all paid for it dearly as we got dumbed down.
The sets system is used in my school, in most subjects. In some, like Maths, its good because you can concentrate on the harder areas, because the foundations are already there. We can move on quicker, and do better. But in some subjects, its either not sorted into sets, or the sets just dont work.
Just because you're with people of the same ability, it doesn't mean everyone will work, so you can still get distracted, and end up doing badly. Thats why pupil interviews could be worthwhile, as those people who do the distracting wouldn't end up in the school.
I've been doing all this stuff on sixth form recently, and something occured to me. Why is it that in sixth form your place is never safe, and they can and will chuck you out, if you dont get your act together and work, but in normal compulsary school, they dont do this? It would be so much more worthwhile, if they didn't just use the expulsion system for extreme behaviour, and it would mean that you wouldn't have to have the interviews.
Anyway, i think one of those two things needs to be implimented- Either pupil interviews, or tougher expulsion, as it will make the school a hell of a lot better.
feelingyellow
24-02-2006, 21:21
Pupil interviews will be good ... the pupils would get their opinion across and maybe learn to do well so that other's could to :)
I din't think they should and think that it is discriminating the disabled. I have cerebal palsy and am unaffected in other ways. However, as Jodi rightly said, not all disabled people xan speak and I know some people who are disabled but wouldn't be able to give an interview, alrhough they can speak.
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