View Full Version : Abortion- Right or Wrong?
Saye2213
20-01-2006, 14:47
I am doing this as a topic for a debate. Do you think Abortion is right or wrong? I am personnally for Abortion as I think that every woman should have the decision to have a baby or not as it is a big responsibility. I would welcome your opinions. Thanks!!
i think that it is wrong but people should have the decision and they shouldnt be seen as bad people if they do it if they feel that it is the only way out.
I don't think it is right or wrong, I think it is a choice everyone has to make. I wouldn't have one personally but I dont' think it is wrong for anyone else to have one
Angeltigger
20-01-2006, 15:10
I think it is very wrong as it like a small thing in your belly i feel strong about people who have sex with no proction than have one. but than i have doubts about if you were raped as you might have it reminding you what happened but than it not the child fault that the father raped you.
CrazyLea
20-01-2006, 15:14
in some cases i think its wrong, like if you accidentaly get pregnant, why let the baby suffer for your mistakes. and other reasons
but if you get rapes then you should! or if your really young, or cant financially cope, or things like that
but mostly i think its wrong.
pookie1968uk
20-01-2006, 15:32
i dont believe in it and i also think thats its wrong for the woman to be able to make all the decisions for herself when the man and woman equally made the baby.
i personally would never have one myself no matter what the circumstances but if the circumstances are really bad for other women then thats there desision and something that they will have to live with
Unless it's rape then I'm against it.
Unless it's rape then I'm against it.
See I wouldn't agree with that.. I know too many childless couples to have an abortion. If I could have a child in any circumstance and didn't want to keep it, I would adopt or foster so other couple can have a chance of a family
Angeltigger
20-01-2006, 16:28
Unless it's rape then I'm against it.So do you think it right or wrong to have Abortion
i dont agree with abortion and i could never do it. the only time i agree with it is when the baby is likely to be born extremely disabled or hvae very poor health.
lollymay
20-01-2006, 16:32
its a very difficult thing to decide in not sure if im for it or not, i think its all down to personal choice but i think only if there is something seriously wrong with the baby or the mother, or if the mother was raped or something
it's murder in my book and there's no way, no matter what the circumstances, i'd have one.
i would only consider one if my baby was likely to have a relally bad quality of life but never for any other reason.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
20-01-2006, 17:57
I think it's ok. If the baby was an accident then maybe it's wrong. If you were raped or there was something wrong with the baby then I think it's perfectly fine to have an abortion.
twinkle_eyes83
20-01-2006, 18:01
i personally don't agree with abortions, but i would never judge anyone else for having one, it's there choice
if the baby was going to be severly disabled then im afraid i would terminate, i belive in my heart and by my meaning of severly disabled that is no life for a person
i nearly had one with jade my first as i was only 13 comeing on to 14 i think if i had no support i prob would of had one but iam glad i did not even with everyone telling me to get one they were trying to force me in to it and a lot of girls are being forced in to it aswell but that is just how i feel
leanne27
20-01-2006, 18:06
my opinion was that i was against abortion but now i do believe in ti for three reasons
1) if the mother's life would be at risk by having the baby.
2) the child would be dissabled.
3) the mother was raped, i dont think anyone should have the power to make a woman have a bbay by her attacker, thats just wrong.
I wouldnt have one but I have no problems with people who have them for the right reasons. I think the time limit should definatley be dropped down from 24 weeks to at least 14 weeks though. I think if you have one at 24 weeks that is equal to killing a newborn baby as most babies born prem at 24 weeks do survive now.
Behemoth
20-01-2006, 18:44
If a woman wants to have an abortion then that's her right. I don't have a problem at all with people having abortions.
Chloe-Elise
20-01-2006, 19:18
I don't agree with abortions, but I think in some circumstances it is necessary and I wouldn't judge anyone if they had one.
Chloe O'brien
20-01-2006, 19:24
personally i would hate to be in a situation to consider having an abortion. Although i don't think i could have one myself i don't disagree or agree with the option, i think it's up to every different situation and circumstances and my heart goes out to any woman who has to go through an ordeal
i do agree cuase everyone has the right to choose but i also think they should lower the time limit as you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks. At 12 weeks the bays nervous system has developed and there is not proof that the baby cant feel what is happening to them.
I think it has its' place,and I would have had one,if the situation had arisen. I think they should lower the time limit, as 24 weeks is far to late in my opinion.I dont think it should be used for another from of prevention though,I know a girl that at 16 had,had 4 abortions,because she didn't want them.
samantha nixon
20-01-2006, 20:13
im against it as a baby is a human not just a thing people can decide whether they want or not thats my oppinion
i am only for them where there is a health implication of either the mother or the baby, or if the pregnacy was due to a rape.
i also think that the time should be changed too 24 weeks is far to advanced in the pregnancy i think the cut off should be 16 weeks
At a 16 week scan the baby looks fully formed and most disabilities can be picked up on at the 12 week scan?
Also the thing about it being used as another contraception, girls who have countless ones because they werent using any contraception.... thats just ridiculous.
Carrie Bradshaw
20-01-2006, 22:43
I think you can never really tell what you would do until you are in the situation. I feel strongly against people using abortion as a means of contraception but if you feel that you cannot give the baby an adequate quality of life then it is a justified option.
It may seen very easy to say just now that you should choose adoptipon over abortion, but you can get very strongly attached to your baby as it grows inside you and this can simply complicate matters.
wow a strong case to put on a thread
I wouldnt choose adoption over abortion as I couldnt hand over a child.
squillyfer
20-01-2006, 23:05
I dont think you can generalise it you have to treat every case differently but i have no objections to abortion
OK - I am going to throw my spanner in the works here and no-one judge me please, but I have had one, and unless you are in the situation where you have to decide what is right and wrong, you cannot judge the rights and wrongs about it. Personally, I already had my son (who wasnt a year old by then), we both used protection, and it failed. I feel strongly that 24 weeks is far too long into a pregnancy to allow it, although, my understanding is that terminations are only allowed for medical reasons at this late stage and not for reasons of "I don't want it". It is not and was not a decision to be taken lightly and it was one of the hardest decisions I have ever had to make in my life. For the majority of women, it is not the easy way out as it stays with you for the rest of your life.
i would never judge someone who had a abortion and jojo it must have beenthe hardest decision you ever made, i know i couldnt make a decision like that but that is because i have problems getting pregnant so any pregancy i would have would be great for me!
what i really object to is when they have late abortions, my mate had one at 13 weeks, she was happy she was pregnant adn then broke it off with the father and then decided to have a abortion! i didint agree with that at all
i would never judge someone who had a abortion and jojo it must have beenthe hardest decision you ever made, i know i couldnt make a decision like that but that is because i have problems getting pregnant so any pregancy i would have would be great for me!
what i really object to is when they have late abortions, my mate had one at 13 weeks, she was happy she was pregnant adn then broke it off with the father and then decided to have a abortion! i didint agree with that at allI personally dont think they should be allowed after 12 weeks unless for real medical issues - its a miracle most embryos get to this stage, let alone falling pregnant in the first place.
Believe me Debs, I have never forgotten and I hope that I would never have to make that decision again xx
in general, i'm against it becuase of what it is. maybe if i was put in that situation then i would change, but i think rape is the only excusable reason for having one
leanne27
21-01-2006, 17:17
As i said before im generally against it, but if it was made illegal i would actually start to panick incase i ever found myself in a situation where i would need or like one. Personally i respect you ems for admitting that it still bothers you and that it was a hard decision to make, even though it might of been the right one for you.
I personally dont think they should be allowed after 12 weeks unless for real medical issues - its a miracle most embryos get to this stage, let alone falling pregnant in the first place.
Believe me Debs, I have never forgotten and I hope that I would never have to make that decision again xx
of course you havent i hope it didnt come acroos that i thought it was a bad thing because i didint mean it that way if it did, at that age it would have been so hard for you to have another baby to look after, abortion is a choice thing and when people make them it is usually for a very good reason which yours was, what i was trying to say was my friend said if she had another she wouldnt have a life and the said to me that she wouldnt get a man if she was a single mum to two kids with different dads and she wouldnt be able to go out that much. that too me is not agood reason for abortion she should have been more careful( and i know she wasnt!) it was very upsetting because i was so excited for her and we ad discussed names and buying things and everything and then all change, also upsetting as it was at a time when i was desperate for a baby!
of course you havent i hope it didnt come acroos that i thought it was a bad thing because i didint mean it that way if it did, at that age it would have been so hard for you to have another baby to look after, abortion is a choice thing and when people make them it is usually for a very good reason which yours was, what i was trying to say was my friend said if she had another she wouldnt have a life and the said to me that she wouldnt get a man if she was a single mum to two kids with different dads and she wouldnt be able to go out that much. that too me is not agood reason for abortion she should have been more careful( and i know she wasnt!) it was very upsetting because i was so excited for her and we ad discussed names and buying things and everything and then all change, also upsetting as it was at a time when i was desperate for a baby!
i have a freind who has had 2 abortions as it was not the right time and it did really upset me, but it was not my decision and i cannot judge as i have not been in that position myself
xStephaniex
21-01-2006, 23:00
i think it would depend on the situation ... if you were raped and fell pregnant why abort the baby ? its not the baby's fault is it!? im against abortion because if your silly enough to have unprotected sex and get a baby as a result have the baby and decide if you want to put the baby into adoption or if you have an amediate bond !. you never no. i think abortion is wrong tho.
of course you havent i hope it didnt come acroos that i thought it was a bad thing because i didint mean it that way if it did, at that age it would have been so hard for you to have another baby to look after, abortion is a choice thing and when people make them it is usually for a very good reason which yours was, what i was trying to say was my friend said if she had another she wouldnt have a life and the said to me that she wouldnt get a man if she was a single mum to two kids with different dads and she wouldnt be able to go out that much. that too me is not agood reason for abortion she should have been more careful( and i know she wasnt!) it was very upsetting because i was so excited for her and we ad discussed names and buying things and everything and then all change, also upsetting as it was at a time when i was desperate for a baby!Don't worry babes - I know what you meant and I agree with you about your friend - terminations aren't a form of contraception and some people seem to forget this. xx
I have had experience of watching abortions through my nurse training. Sometimes you do see the same people keep coming back as they appear to use abortion as a form of contraception. Afterwards the patient is given advice (very tactfully) about contraception etc.
However I have seen the women undergo counselling before the operation, and again afterwards, if they care to use the counselling facilities. For most of the women it is a decision that they agonise over, and as part of the nursing staff you are there to support them. You dont know the difference a gentle squeeze of the hand can make to the women that have made that decision - just to reassure them them they are ok.
I have a friend who had an abortion 6 years ago - trust me she has never forgotten what she did. The anniversary of the date of the operation causes her anguish, as does the time around when the baby would have been born.
As for the belief that if you were raped you still wouldn't opt for an abortion - well all I can say is that there is a high chance of you not being raped. I was gang raped by 6 men, i had internal damage, it was horrendous, I was pregnant - I miscarried. If I hadn't, I would have opted for abortion because I couldn't move past that image of how the child had been concieved.
I would dearly love to have a child, I believe that I would make a good mum, and my husband a good dad, as we both believe that a child should be made out of love. However there are medical problems that have prevented us from being parents, so we are looking at fostering or adoption.
Abortion is about choice, all I can say is that there is a place for it in society, but I firmly believe the limit should be lowered.
Saye2213
27-01-2006, 14:23
Thank you for this. This has really helped me and given me lots of ideas to think about. I hope this has helped others too. I am very touched by your stories. Thank you.
jstevens1
23-09-2006, 19:13
From reading a lot of stories about people who have had terminations, it is not an easy way out, even if it is for social reasons and if the mother does not want the baby. I read a story in the Take a Break confidential section of this weeks issue which talked about a woman who did not want children and then got pregnant by accident (her husband would have wanted the baby as he loves children but loved his wife so much that he was prepared to stay married to her) - so she had a termination without telling her husband. She feels very guilty about this and this article did upset me a bit. Does anyone here hope she gets found out? Should she come clean?
It makes you think - ABORTION IS DEFINITELY NOT THE EASY WAY OUT!!!
jstevens1
pookie1968uk
24-09-2006, 18:29
i dont think their relationship can be up to much if she would terminate their baby without the husband knowing. isnt marriage a partnership?
jstevens1
25-09-2006, 19:58
i think that it is wrong but people should have the decision and they shouldnt be seen as bad people if they do it if they feel that it is the only way out.
I agree with you cornetgal. You see, I am a member of ARC (or SAFTA) as it used to be known. I am blessed with 2 healthy children but in between the birth of my 1st child (now 11) and my second child (now 2), I had a TOP at 18 wks, 6 days by induction for abnormality (serious major heart defect that the top heart surgeons at Gt Ormond Street had only seen one case of 30 years ago). I was lucky that during the labour + delivery itself I was so drugged up on morphine that I was as high as a kite!!. The staff were absolutely wonderful the next day and the experience wasn't as bad as one would normally expect in that situation (looking at Jack's dead body did ram home the horror of the situation).
Thankfully, a few months later, after a stressful house move I got pregnant again and had to have extra scans during the pregnancy. Thankfully all went well and my daughter is a healthy 2 year old - I have come to terms with what has happened but I will never forget Jack. After seeing Jack, however, I don't think I could face having a termination for social reasons - it is killing a potential healthy baby in my book but I do feel sorry for anyone who is desperate enough to do this. From what I have read from agony aunt columns and Chat, Take a Break and That's Life magazines, many women have been marked in some way by having terminations for social reasons. There have also been a few examples of this from soap operas. Katie in Coronation Street tricked into having one by her parents - you will need to look at the Corrie threads to see what happened to her. In EE Stacey was bullied into it by boyfriend Bradley. They are still together but this might come between them later. Then there is the example of the woman who felt guilty of having a termination without her husband's knowledge. So, prevention is better than cure. I am currently using a contraceptive called Implanon which involves the insertion of a small rod at the top of my left arm - so not as invasive as an IUD. This lasts for 3 years. This is ideal for women who do not wish to be sterilised after completing her family or for women who wish to postpone having a family. I have had no problems with this method. Has anyone else on this board tried this method?
I would welcome your feedback.
Cheers
jstevens1
I used it for 2 years prior to conceiving my youngest (now almost 10 months)
It worked fine except for a couple of problems during removal, and I had to take extra progesterone whilst using it, as I bled constantly, so it possibly would have been easier just to have taken the normal pill - but I would definitely use it again in the future.
I agree with you cornetgal. You see, I am a member of ARC (or SAFTA) as it used to be known. I am blessed with 2 healthy children but in between the birth of my 1st child (now 11) and my second child (now 2), I had a TOP at 18 wks, 6 days by induction for abnormality (serious major heart defect that the top heart surgeons at Gt Ormond Street had only seen one case of 30 years ago). I was lucky that during the labour + delivery itself I was so drugged up on morphine that I was as high as a kite!!. The staff were absolutely wonderful the next day and the experience wasn't as bad as one would normally expect in that situation (looking at Jack's dead body did ram home the horror of the situation).
Thankfully, a few months later, after a stressful house move I got pregnant again and had to have extra scans during the pregnancy. Thankfully all went well and my daughter is a healthy 2 year old - I have come to terms with what has happened but I will never forget Jack. After seeing Jack, however, I don't think I could face having a termination for social reasons - it is killing a potential healthy baby in my book but I do feel sorry for anyone who is desperate enough to do this. From what I have read from agony aunt columns and Chat, Take a Break and That's Life magazines, many women have been marked in some way by having terminations for social reasons. There have also been a few examples of this from soap operas. Katie in Coronation Street tricked into having one by her parents - you will need to look at the Corrie threads to see what happened to her. In EE Stacey was bullied into it by boyfriend Bradley. They are still together but this might come between them later. Then there is the example of the woman who felt guilty of having a termination without her husband's knowledge. So, prevention is better than cure. I am currently using a contraceptive called Implanon which involves the insertion of a small rod at the top of my left arm - so not as invasive as an IUD. This lasts for 3 years. This is ideal for women who do not wish to be sterilised after completing her family or for women who wish to postpone having a family. I have had no problems with this method. Has anyone else on this board tried this method?
I would welcome your feedback.
Cheers
jstevens1
I had a termintion at 17, and whist not an easy decision it is not one i regret. i was only a child myself and could not have cpoed with having a child. Im now 23, a qualified paralegal, studying for my law degree part-time whilst doing a job i love. I highly doubt this would have been possible had i chosen to have the child, and therefore dont regret my choice. it hasnt always been easy, but i rarely think aboout it now.
prevention is better than cure, but its easy to make mistakes - eg anitbiotics with the pill dont mix - especially in my case!
I now have the implant like j stevens, and the best part is no periods! its definatley the best thing for me - lol and its due for removal with my next smear test so im not likely to forget!
I don't think that abortion is something that you can really comment on unless you have been in the position yourself.
Do we really know how we would react to a given set of circumstances if we haven't really faced them?
Personally I don't like the idea of late abortions, however in some medical situations they are needed. Who am I to comment on what must be a horrendously difficult decision for someone to make?
I have used the morning after pill a couple of times, to some 'purists' this is the same as abortion...
I think that most people do what is right for them in the circumstances.
And really, that is all anyone can do.
I dont think its as simple as right or wrong, it depends on circumstances and also the individual.
I dont think it can ever be be called right, after all it is killing, but I do believe a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy if she doesn't want the child, without being persecuted by people with such strong beliefs against it.
I dont think its as simple as right or wrong, it depends on circumstances and also the individual.
I dont think it can ever be be called right, after all it is killing, but I do believe a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy if she doesn't want the child, without being persecuted by people with such strong beliefs against it. But you have just totally contradicted yourself and by saying that it can't be called right because you're killing - I'm a murderer!
You are totally right Trinity - no one can possibly make a judgement call on this until they have been in that position - you just don't know how you will react or what you will do.
But you have just totally contradicted yourself and by saying that it can't be called right because you're killing - I'm a murderer!
You are totally right Trinity - no one can possibly make a judgement call on this until they have been in that position - you just don't know how you will react or what you will do.
No I havent contradicted myself I'm just saying you can never technically call it right, becuase it is a generally negative thing. If you end a life, its murder, simple as. Doesnt mean to say I'm against abortion it just can't be called "right".
I'm for abortion, as I believe women should be able to get rid of it if they want to, its their choice, and they should do it regardless of peoples opinions and should be able to do it without a backlash.
Bry - you are digging a right hole for yourself there, mate.
There is an old saying , if you are in over your head - stop digging!
In life the is no such thing as black or white - just a huge variation of shades of grey.
Jess Rulz
28-09-2006, 15:49
i feel that its up to the indervidual and you can only truely understad it when you are that position yourself. I mean i have 2 friends that were pregnant but not at the same time, one decided to keep the baby amd one didnt.
No I havent contradicted myself I'm just saying you can never technically call it right, becuase it is a generally negative thing. If you end a life, its murder, simple as. Doesnt mean to say I'm against abortion it just can't be called "right".
I'm for abortion, as I believe women should be able to get rid of it if they want to, its their choice, and they should do it regardless of peoples opinions and should be able to do it without a backlash. You are still saying that people like me are murderers though - so in your own respect, you are giving women that have been through this a label and backlash - sorry but you are. In both of your posts, you have generalised what is the most heart breaking, and difficult decision a lot of women will have to make :angry:
Reading the whole thread i origionally said i thought it was wrong and it is up to the circumstances and in a way yeah it probably is but unless you go through it then what right it there really to judge. I cant imagine how hard a decision it would be to make. For me personally i think what is wrong is when people use it as a form of contraception if you know what i mean. They dont care if they get pregnant because they can always have an abortion as if its like doing for an eye test or something. That to me is not right.
WHat made me think was legally it isnt murder and never will be as for Murder to take place theres numerous of reasons that have to occur and on is rerum natura - which is a living being and the legal definaition of a living being is from when a person is born till they die so this doesnt include a foetus as thats not classed as living.
tammyy2j
29-09-2006, 16:22
Personnally i think abortion is wrong it is murdering a child but in cases like rape it should he an option for the individual.
Personnally i think abortion is wrong it is murdering a child but in cases like rape it should he an option for the individual.
Why in cases of rape? surely if you believe that its murder then the circumstances are irrelevant?
as jems (jojo) said no-one who has not been in the position should critiseze as they do not know what it is like unless you have been in that position
Personnally i think abortion is wrong it is murdering a child but in cases like rape it should he an option for the individual. If you believe abortion is murder, then it shouldn't matter to you whether or not the person is raped - at the end of the day if you believe that they have murdered that foetus, then thats that, rape or no rape - you cant apply different rules for different people.
I agree its not a form of contraception and shouldnt be used as such (which it is for some people) but you can't label people as murderers for having a termination when you don't know the person or their circumstances.
I'll say it before and I'll say it again - unless you have been in the position where you have had to make that decision and agonised over it for days/weeks and for months/years following - then dont criticise people who have, or label them. We do have feelings still.
I'll say it before and I'll say it again - unless you have been in the position where you have had to make that decision and agonised over it for days/weeks and for months/years following - then dont criticise people who have, or label them. We do have feelings still.
Well said, I am with you all the way.
Xx-Vicky-xX
01-10-2006, 12:30
It depends on the situation,im not against it, i wouldnt have one personally but its alright for other people to if they feel its the best option for them
~*~Leanne~*~
04-10-2006, 20:12
i personally don't agree with abortation but wouldn't judge other people if they decided t have one as it depends on their circumstances and like jo jo mum said it isn't a decision people make lightly and sometimes it is kinder to the baby and safer for the mother to abort them for medical reasons
xXxJessxXx
07-10-2006, 22:07
sorry ignore this, double post :)
xXxJessxXx
07-10-2006, 22:08
I dont agree with it and would never have one my self. But i dont think its wrong and i dont shun people for having one. I have strong views but it doesnt change what i think of the person, i wont think any less. I think every women has the right to decide to have a baby or not.
But at the same time i dont agree at all that a women should abuse this right. The unboarn child has just as much right to live as well. Why should you end a innocent life through your own stupid mistakes. I think that everyone is responsible for their own actions and if they arent ready to be a parent then they shouldnt be havig sex! When you sleep with someone you should be willing to take responsibility for what ever happens ie a baby that you might not want. If your not reayd to become a mum then dont do it! Ok i know perhaps a little harsh or brasen but the consequence of having sex is having a baby so you should be willing to take that responsibilty. Obvisouly people make their own choices and its up to them but i dont agree that someone else should suffer becasue you cant face responsibilty to what happens. I have strong opions so might offend people but then its my opion so im not really going to appoligise. :)
I'm going to close this thread before arguments are started again. We have established that there are a number of us that have been through terminations, and can and possibly will be offended by a number of the comments that have been made (sorry jess but I was plenty mature enough to be having sex at 19 and already had one child, plus I was on the pill on both occasions, so was taking responsible actions, like many people I know, so I don't agree with part of your reasoning). I'm not singling people out, but enough of the lynch mob already. We are humans, we have feelings and no one who hasn't been through it knows what we go through when we read posts like have been made in here.
Closing...
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