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At this time of the year most of us naturally think of loved ones killed serving in our security forces in conflicts worldwide and closer to home. But how patriotic are we today. The press and the media constantly denegrate our armed forces and expect us to apologise to tinpot dictators.
We have one of the most professional armies in the world so why do we constantly run them down. Is this because its trendy.
'They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old, age shall not weary them nor the years condemn, at the going down of the sun and in the morning we shall remember them.'
Richie_lecturer
12-11-2005, 22:28
What an excellent thread to start Alan. I fully agree with you.
Chloe O'brien
12-11-2005, 22:38
The reasons for young men and women joining the armed forces today are so different to sixty years ago then young people joined up to serve their country now most young people only do it for a job as there is so much high unemployment.
My grandad died in the war and my parents were evacuated out to the country. I remember having a polish music teacher at school telling us that he joined up so that his parents would be proud of him and he couldn't understand why his parents were so distraught.
I believe that we should never forget those who died in any of the wars and that although many of the ww2 hero's have sadly passed away what they did for us has to be upheld through history at school. I don't think that many of the young people in today's society have the bravery to go to war and risk their lives as those young men did.
I agree with you Chloe. I bet that not even 5% of the people i know will go into the forces. People aren't the same today. As much as many older generations dont beleive it, us teenagers are patriotic. I personally think that every single person who has fought in any war, whether they did or not are more than heros. They are saints. People today are no where near as brave and couragous as they were.
Having said that, think of the people who have died in Iraq. Some of them were barely in their 20's, some even 18 or 19. People are patriotic. People do fight for their country now-a-days. TBH to dont think the feeling has changed. People now, and people int he past have wanted to fight for their country, only people now dont seem to have the up-and-go that they did.
Rest in Peace all our war heroes x x x x x x x You won't be forgotten x x x
Unfortunately though its not just WW2 but all the many conflicts since, Korea, Suez, Falklands, Northern Ireland, The Gulf and unfortunately this is not the end. We should support our troops unlike the Biased Broadcasting Craporation and the left wing gutter press
Unfortunately though its not just WW2 but all the many conflicts since, Korea, Suez, Falklands, Northern Ireland, The Gulf and unfortunately this is not the end. We should support our troops unlike the Biased Broadcasting Craporation and the left wing gutter press
All of our war heros!! thank you!!
As JFK put it ' Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'
exactly!!! thats what the younger generation does not think abput now a days
Chloe O'brien
12-11-2005, 23:15
don't forget all those who lost there lives in northern ireland in the 70's & 80's
don't forget all those who lost there lives in northern ireland in the 70's & 80's
I mentioned them
di marco
13-11-2005, 07:55
i know someone who left my school this year to join the army but i dont think that as many people now would join up if needed. i think people are still patriotic and still respect the people who are in the armed forces but i think people are either too scared to join now or would rather do other things, it doesnt mean that they dont still care about the people that have fought
i was going to join the Army but after the war in Iraq no way
Richie_lecturer
14-11-2005, 14:58
How come?
cause it really scares me and also i will not put my life at risk for what govorment lies
Richie_lecturer
14-11-2005, 15:10
The invasion of Iraq was legal, justified and, yes, morally the right course of action. Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, UN resolution 687 gave legitimate authority to resume the war at any time. Under this agreement, Saddam agreed to destroy all his weapons of mass destruction and honour the civil rights of the Iraqi citizens.
UN resolution 1441 was unanimously enacted in November 2003 supporting previous resolutions.
The US-led invasion of Iraq was of the highest moral order. There was a genuine belief that Saddam was involved in the production of weapons of mass destruction.
The invasion has led to a fledgling democratic society that will, with our support, one day turn the region into an area of peace, security and freedom for all its law-abiding citizens that will enhance our own security and maintain our freedoms far more than the current position of living in fear.
There needs to be a deliverance to those in need, to those suffering under dictatorships, to those denied the freedom to believe as they wish. The spread of democracy will bring more benefits to citizens around the globe than all the first-aid relief work currently undertaken.
Most don't like to accept the idea but, sooner or later if diplomatic means fail, the world will have to deal with Iran and North Korea. Let's hope and pray that diplomacy wins out and is not hampered by corrupt institutions like the United Nations which often supports great suffering.
they didn't have any real proof he had WMD'S and any infomation they got was wrong
Richie_lecturer
14-11-2005, 15:23
This says otherwise. (http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/650/documentid/2563/history/3,2359)
Some WMD's were also moved to Syria.
cause it really scares me and also i will not put my life at risk for what govorment lies
All governments lie to a greater and lesser extent than others. However when you join the Army you are expected to put your life at risk. Whether or not you agree with Government policy.
lollymay
14-11-2005, 16:46
im going to join the RAF no matter what
di marco
14-11-2005, 20:24
The invasion of Iraq was legal, justified and, yes, morally the right course of action. Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, UN resolution 687 gave legitimate authority to resume the war at any time. Under this agreement, Saddam agreed to destroy all his weapons of mass destruction and honour the civil rights of the Iraqi citizens.
UN resolution 1441 was unanimously enacted in November 2003 supporting previous resolutions.
The US-led invasion of Iraq was of the highest moral order. There was a genuine belief that Saddam was involved in the production of weapons of mass destruction.
The invasion has led to a fledgling democratic society that will, with our support, one day turn the region into an area of peace, security and freedom for all its law-abiding citizens that will enhance our own security and maintain our freedoms far more than the current position of living in fear.
There needs to be a deliverance to those in need, to those suffering under dictatorships, to those denied the freedom to believe as they wish. The spread of democracy will bring more benefits to citizens around the globe than all the first-aid relief work currently undertaken.
Most don't like to accept the idea but, sooner or later if diplomatic means fail, the world will have to deal with Iran and North Korea. Let's hope and pray that diplomacy wins out and is not hampered by corrupt institutions like the United Nations which often supports great suffering.
dont take this the wrong way, but dddmac1 said he didnt want to join as he didnt want to risk his life and youve started having a go at him (well thats what it seems like to me), so i just want to ask one question, are you in the army, and if not why not?
Richie_lecturer
14-11-2005, 21:08
I wasn't having a go at him - I respect him very much and anybody who considers joining the Army and risking their life in the name of the sovereign is of the highest callibre. I was merely disagreeing with his views on Iraq and I stand by my comments. I didn't expect him to agree with them, I was just giving my take on things. :)
I also hoped to join the Army at a young age, but my University life took priority on the advice of my parents over a decade ago, and since then I have graduated from Cambridge with First class honours, and now earn a high five-figure sum as an internationally renowned academic. As much as I wanted to join the Army at a young age, you can see why I am happy with my life right now. :)
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