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This was in todays "the sun" in the Ally Ross column. Even i think this is a bit harsh on Eastenders, but i wondered what you thought. It said;
"Taylor and Burton. Sid and Nancy. Romeo and Juliet. And now, we have the most explosive affair of the lot
Demi and Leo. Walford's star crossed lovers
The Millers and the Taylors. Two families seperated by blood and a crap storyline. And i mean a really crap storyline. The Eastenders. Eleven Big Brother weeks i cheerfully ignore them, hoping that during the break, they might turn into something at least half worth watching. Or at least a half decent impersonation of a decent soap.
Instead?
We discover somebody no one cared about, Sid, has died of an overdose, and that Ian Beale is thinking about getting his vasectomy reversed.
Though dont think for a moment that's the bum end of the deal
For even if we ignore Dots never ending Drivng lessons (who insures a 78 year old woman?) at least two other charcters have emerged recently for the title of worst long running plot line.
Firstly the decision to turn Alfie into a love rat, effectivly ruining the sho's last bankable asset,
But secondly- and beating it for sheer stupidity and unlikeliness- Dennis Brickman's enduring love for his Giant, Orange Sharon "150" watts.
The world's most incompatible couple. A pair forced to intermarry becayse of the staggering lack of alternatives int he sealed ocmmunity of Walford (average age 138). A situation that's now reaching unsustainable levels.
Because the truth is, soaps now survive on sex. EE now has no sexy charcters and the problem has hardly been rescued by the squares latest red-hot lovers.
Minty the fat extra. And Emma. Another EE clone, right down to the boiler suit, who might be perfectly presentable in real life. But once she's gone through the Alford frumpifier she looks like Victoria Wood five weeks after shes taken a carck overdose and been drenged out of the Thames.
Allied to the unsustainable population of course, EE also remains cursed by vanishing charcters, shifting feuds and the permantent cloud of misery that hangs over walford.
Collectivly, its a crisis. And calls for the immediate mass sacking of the scrip writters, the life blood of any soap, who clearly have no idea what they are doing.
Which makes what EE have actually done even mroe remarkably funny
For, faced with meltdown, the BBC1 show has not only ripped off a 450 year old Shakespeare story but also taken the drsatic step of introducing- trendy camera angles.
Yep. Wobbly tracking shots that are ,meant to make us think we're watching 24 or a Woody Allen movie. But as most of them are in the Vic, actually just make us think the cameraman is drunk.
And its times like this you really give up of EE. Because there;s a convincing arguement that says- EE is too arrogant, set in its ways and (right on) agenda-driven to realise the deep trouble they're in. And the show will now just keep on losing viewers untill it eventually disappears.
But hey
Lets end optimistically. The one bit of good news is, Dirty Den's body is about to be discovered. So the show can finally bury it's past, and forget about balding sex perverts.
and then- WAHAY- Steve McFaddens back."
what do you think?
CrazyLea
18-08-2005, 18:23
i think its quite amusing... but slightly harsh lol
I thought it was funny, but i bit OTT. Its not THAT bad.
too be quiet honest i used to find them articles he writes funny, but now all he does is moan about ee, if he doesnt like it then why is he still watching it?! idiot! :mad: plus, he is just not even funny any more! :rolleyes:
He's a critic so he's always going to moan about something! Us real fans of the show can see the improvements these people watch to find something to moan about!
I read it and thought it hilarious and very witty
Jessie Wallace
18-08-2005, 19:12
I got bored of reading it half way through.
I disagree with him most of the time. I get where he's coming from, but being a critic he's blown the problems way out of proportion.
true.moon
18-08-2005, 19:13
i thought it was a good storyline
I got bored of reading it half way through.
go on read it... its quite witty really
true.moon
18-08-2005, 19:15
i only read the 1st line
true.moon
18-08-2005, 19:16
i couldnt be bothered to read it
i stopped half way through
I really didn't like the storyline,maybe the article was a bit harsh but it was witty and funny too Ally Ross is a fab T.v critic
it was funny, but I didnt like the storyline anyway
i hated the 2 leading chav roles in it, a tacky R&J rip off, the only bit i liked off the storyline was the oppurtunity for David Spinx and Gerry Cowper to shine and really show us their acting skills, which we havent really seen from them before!
He's a critic at the end of the day, they get paid to moan and from what I have seen of critics, nothing is any good unless its perfect - like you say WQ, real fans of the show know and can see what is really happening....
He's a critic at the end of the day, they get paid to moan and from what I have seen of critics, nothing is any good unless its perfect - like you say WQ, real fans of the show know and can see what is really happening....Exactly I can remember reading loads of bad reviews back in the days when EastEnders was the no.1 soap instead of the no.2 soap. These critics are just concentrating more on EastEnders nowadays because it's easy for them to slag it off and pick holes in it because it's become a trend lately. :)
I didn't like the Leo and Demi storyline either but like Mofie I'm putting up with it and as bondboffin said it did give the Miller parents a chance to shine and they're fast becoming favourites of mine. I hope they turn Trisha into a regular character, she could be quite good as well!
Must admit his comments about Sharon are amusing :searchme:
That's the only reason I bother to read this sort of stuff, you're always guaranteed a laugh!
He's comments are histerical, i always read his column (and Lorannie Kelly :lol: ). He's very witty. I have to agree with him calling Sharon, Sharon "150" Watts, because that tan of hers is brighter then a lightbulb. Its too extreme!
I think the comments are a little harsh but there is a fair amount of truth to them.
i_luv_dennis
19-08-2005, 13:19
they was a bit harsh
xcutiekatiex
19-08-2005, 14:58
lol i only read the top bit cause i got a bit bored .. but an interesting view even though it is utter rubbish
pops110874
20-08-2005, 16:47
i think its exaggerated to get the point across and it maybe a tiny bit harsh...
but i do agree with everything said, there are no lies in that article
It's just nitpicking though and magnifying the faults in EastEnders.
These critics should start to write in depth about the faults in the other soaps because there's plenty!
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 16:58
For even if we ignore Dots never ending Drivng lessons (who insures a 78 year old woman?)
Dennis Brickman's enduring love for his Giant, Orange Sharon "150" watts.
And Emma. Another EE clone, right down to the boiler suit, who might be perfectly presentable in real life. But once she's gone through the Alford frumpifier she looks like Victoria Wood five weeks after shes taken a carck overdose and been drenged out of the Thames.
But hey
Lets end optimistically. The one bit of good news is, Dirty Den's body is about to be discovered. So the show can finally bury it's past, and forget about balding sex perverts.
and then- WAHAY- Steve McFaddens back."
what do you think?
:rotfl: :lol: Them quotes were hilarious
I find it weird how all the soaps can be nitpicked and their faults magnified yet these people choose to just concentrate on EastEnders like it's some sort of trend.
And before some bright spark pipes up that it's probably because EastEnders is the worst soap on the box at the moment then I challenge them to watch Corrie on ITV1 and tell me why they don't get half a page or even a FULL! page dedicated to their faults.
These critics are just bitter idiots. They often write that they wonder why they still watch EastEnders but you can guarantee that months later they're still going to be writing about it and slagging it off!
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 17:09
Id say its more than likely down to all the publicity Eastenders seems to attract, i mean considering Steve McFadden has been in the tabloids for the past 2 weeks, its an easy target
pops110874
20-08-2005, 17:10
[QUOTE=Walford Queen]
And before some bright spark pipes up that it's probably because EastEnders is the worst soap on the box at the moment then I challenge them to watch Corrie on ITV1 and tell me why they don't get half a page or even a FULL! page dedicated to their faults.
[QUOTE]
While I think the critic is telling no lies.....I agree with you.
After watching friday nights ee, it is truly back on form the whole sam/chrissie stuff is fab
I cant bring myself to watch a lot of corrie, but i dont know how anyone can say its better than ee.
Corrie may have a consistent level of okness - but no one can touch ee when its at its best.
Maybe this is the reason the knives are out at the minute, ee have set such a high standard before and when they arent producing brilliant episodes every week its classed as bland
Id say its more than likely down to all the publicity Eastenders seems to attract, i mean considering Steve McFadden has been in the tabloids for the past 2 weeks, its an easy target
That's got nothing to do with the actual programme that they're picking apart though.
The stuff they see on-screen in EastEnders and slate is what I'm talking about they nitpick every little detail they can and they don't do it to the other soaps.
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 17:14
Their critics, what do you expect?
Their critics, what do you expect?
Them to stop concentrating on one programme would be a start. It gets boring reading about EastEnders every week when there's hundreds of other programmes that they could write about :)
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 17:16
Dont read it then lol. Thats their job to p**s people off
Yet another journalist on the EE-bashing bandwagon. At some point one of them will come up with an original piece of journalism if we wait long enough!!
Dont read it then lol. Thats their job to p**s people offYou can't beat a good TV critic collumn even if you enjoy the stuff they're slagging off. They're usually humouress but the constant EE nitpicking has gone beyond a joke.
pops110874
20-08-2005, 17:49
I think the reason for the bad reviews is the whole ratings thing...
didnt the papers just love the headling "emmerdale to take over as no2 soap!"
which is basically rubbish - any viewers who have switched off in the past will be back...
i predict high figures from now on..... starting with discovery of den there will be a huge number of great plots.....eg the return of peggy, the return of grant and phil, will chrissie get found out, the departures of a fair few, and also the new arrivals.....
mark my words, by christmas ratings will be back to normal:)
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 18:11
You can't beat a good TV critic collumn even if you enjoy the stuff they're slagging off. They're usually humouress but the constant EE nitpicking has gone beyond a joke.
Yeah but at the end of the day do you think they care what fans think about what they right? Personally i think they pick on EE all the time because its such a popular soap
Yeah but at the end of the day do you think they care what fans think about what they right? Personally i think they pick on EE all the time because its such a popular soapI don't see them picking on Corrie as much though and let's face it that's been the most pathetic out of the big 3 soaps recently.
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 18:38
I don't see them picking on Corrie as much though and let's face it that's been the most pathetic out of the big 3 soaps recently.
Im sure their week will come
This was in todays "the sun" in the Ally Ross column. Even i think this is a bit harsh on Eastenders, but i wondered what you thought. It said;
"Taylor and Burton. Sid and Nancy. Romeo and Juliet. And now, we have the most explosive affair of the lot
Demi and Leo. Walford's star crossed lovers
The Millers and the Taylors. Two families seperated by blood and a crap storyline. And i mean a really crap storyline. The Eastenders. Eleven Big Brother weeks i cheerfully ignore them, hoping that during the break, they might turn into something at least half worth watching. Or at least a half decent impersonation of a decent soap.
Instead?
We discover somebody no one cared about, Sid, has died of an overdose, and that Ian Beale is thinking about getting his vasectomy reversed.
Though dont think for a moment that's the bum end of the deal
For even if we ignore Dots never ending Drivng lessons (who insures a 78 year old woman?) at least two other charcters have emerged recently for the title of worst long running plot line.
Firstly the decision to turn Alfie into a love rat, effectivly ruining the sho's last bankable asset,
But secondly- and beating it for sheer stupidity and unlikeliness- Dennis Brickman's enduring love for his Giant, Orange Sharon "150" watts.
The world's most incompatible couple. A pair forced to intermarry becayse of the staggering lack of alternatives int he sealed ocmmunity of Walford (average age 138). A situation that's now reaching unsustainable levels.
Because the truth is, soaps now survive on sex. EE now has no sexy charcters and the problem has hardly been rescued by the squares latest red-hot lovers.
Minty the fat extra. And Emma. Another EE clone, right down to the boiler suit, who might be perfectly presentable in real life. But once she's gone through the Alford frumpifier she looks like Victoria Wood five weeks after shes taken a carck overdose and been drenged out of the Thames.
Allied to the unsustainable population of course, EE also remains cursed by vanishing charcters, shifting feuds and the permantent cloud of misery that hangs over walford.
Collectivly, its a crisis. And calls for the immediate mass sacking of the scrip writters, the life blood of any soap, who clearly have no idea what they are doing.
Which makes what EE have actually done even mroe remarkably funny
For, faced with meltdown, the BBC1 show has not only ripped off a 450 year old Shakespeare story but also taken the drsatic step of introducing- trendy camera angles.
Yep. Wobbly tracking shots that are ,meant to make us think we're watching 24 or a Woody Allen movie. But as most of them are in the Vic, actually just make us think the cameraman is drunk.
And its times like this you really give up of EE. Because there;s a convincing arguement that says- EE is too arrogant, set in its ways and (right on) agenda-driven to realise the deep trouble they're in. And the show will now just keep on losing viewers untill it eventually disappears.
But hey
Lets end optimistically. The one bit of good news is, Dirty Den's body is about to be discovered. So the show can finally bury it's past, and forget about balding sex perverts.
and then- WAHAY- Steve McFaddens back."
what do you think?
totally agree
totally agreeWell that comes as no surprise :rolleyes:
really? :p
Yeah really :rolleyes:
Eastenders_4ev@
20-08-2005, 18:44
i think eastenders is good, its bit harsh
TV critics have to be harsh because it's the only way they can make their readers laugh.
Yeah really :rolleyes:
sorry but im not gonna disagree with the guy who wrote it everything he said was true ee is rubbish at the mo,i so hope to god it picks up.
TV critics have to be harsh because it's the only way they can make their readers laugh.
yeah and you must admit that when you read it you did have a giggle?
sorry but im not gonna disagree with the guy who wrote it everything he said was true ee is rubbish at the mo,i so hope to god it picks up.
You didn't even watch the main thing he wrote about!
Plus everything he wrote about didn't come across like that on-screen, these people just nitpick and magnify the things that they're nitpicking about!
yeah and you must admit that when you read it you did have a giggle?They are funny that's the only reason why I read them. It would be nice to see other soaps take more of a battering though considering there's plotholes and faults in every single flaming one of them! :angry:
hannah-mj
20-08-2005, 19:21
EE now has no sexy charcters hmmm ok then , but dennsi is gorgeous! lol
i totally dissagrre with this man , but thats just because i love eastenders no matter what! lol :cheer:
hmmm ok then , but dennsi is gorgeous! lol
i totally dissagrre with this man , but thats just because i love eastenders no matter what! lol :cheer:EastEnders has had it's fair share of good looking characters and some of the best looking characters in any soap :p
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 21:46
EastEnders has had it's fair share of good looking characters and some of the best looking characters in any soap :p
EE has definately had the best looking MALE characters but Emmerdale is hot on its heels. Emmerdale has had the best looking women IMO hehe :p
EE has definately had the best looking MALE characters but Emmerdale is hot on its heels. Emmerdale has had the best looking women IMO hehe :pEmmerdale Farm is full of overly attractive women though yet it doesn't get slated for it like Hollyoaks sometimes does :)
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 23:22
Emmerdale is full of overly attractive women though yet it doesn't get slated for it like Hollyoaks sometimes does :)
Hollyoaks is boring though well sometimes anyway its not as good as it used to be back in the day with Kurt, Jambo, Ruth and Co.
Theres only a few pretty girls in that IMO Emmerdale has some hotties :D
I just miss the days of Kim Tate being in Emmerdale Farm and I think I always will.
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 23:24
Claire King was just the dogs b! No-one could top her! Id love to see her back in the Dales
Claire King was just the dogs b! No-one could top her! Id love to see her back in the DalesFor me it's not the same without her, she had that energy about her!
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 23:27
For me it's not the same without her, she had that energy about her!
Yeah i loved her in Bad Girls as well, i just think shes just a class actress! Did you read the story about her in last weeks Sunday Mirror? bless her :(
Yeah i loved her in Bad Girls as well, i just think shes just a class actress! Did you read the story about her in last weeks Sunday Mirror? bless her :(No, what did it say?
xCharliex
20-08-2005, 23:40
No, what did it say?
Basically she went to the papers to confess about pictures of her which were going to be sold to the papers of her doing coke. Basically she had a one night stand with this guy who she thought she was friends with, she met him through a mutual friend he worked for the Racing Post newspaper. Anyway they got drunk etc and she was feeling really down and he got out some coke, told her it would make her feel better, she had done it in the past (you remember about her young rock girly days?). Anyway, she had a few lines and he recorded her on his mobile, they ended up going to bed together, she woke up the next mornin regretting it as she was drunk/coked up. He basically blackmailed her saying he wanted like £5,000 off her or he would sell the pictures to the papers. So she told her parents about it and decided she would come clean. Which i think good on her! It certainly hasnt changed my opinion on her, it was quite a sad story to be honest, it was all down to her ex, the reason she was upset etc, well i dont blame her considering he went off with that Samantha Giles woman.
Basically she went to the papers to confess about pictures of her which were going to be sold to the papers of her doing coke. Basically she had a one night stand with this guy who she thought she was friends with, she met him through a mutual friend he worked for the Racing Post newspaper. Anyway they got drunk etc and she was feeling really down and he got out some coke, told her it would make her feel better, she had done it in the past (you remember about her young rock girly days?). Anyway, she had a few lines and he recorded her on his mobile, they ended up going to bed together, she woke up the next mornin regretting it as she was drunk/coked up. He basically blackmailed her saying he wanted like £5,000 off her or he would sell the pictures to the papers. So she told her parents about it and decided she would come clean. Which i think good on her! It certainly hasnt changed my opinion on her, it was quite a sad story to be honest, it was all down to her ex, the reason she was upset etc, well i dont blame her considering he went off with that Samantha Giles woman.Which ex? Do you mean Peter the guy who played Chris Tate in Emmerdale Farm? I thought them two had agreed to split mutually or did she get together with someone else after him? I haven't really heard about her lovelife apart from her relationship and marriage with the guy who played Chris Tate in Emmerdale Farm.
Anyways well done her for getting there first :)
xCharliex
21-08-2005, 00:11
Which ex? Do you mean Peter the guy who played Chris Tate in Emmerdale Farm? I thought them two had agreed to split mutually or did she get together with someone else after him? I haven't really heard about her lovelife apart from her relationship and marriage with the guy who played Chris Tate in Emmerdale Farm.
Anyways well done her for getting there first :)
Well rumours have it he cheated on her with Samantha. But yes i do mean him.
Either way im sure she will find someone, shes very attractive of a woman of her age. Shes just really into her horses and career right now, which is all good cos thats just like me lol
She will always go down in Emmerdale history, in fact in soap history
Well rumours have it he cheated on her with Samantha. But yes i do mean him.
Either way im sure she will find someone, shes very attractive of a woman of her age. Shes just really into her horses and career right now, which is all good cos thats just like me lol
She will always go down in Emmerdale history, in fact in soap history
Definately, I even liked her when she came back from the dead.
xCharliex
21-08-2005, 00:23
Definately, I even liked her when she came back from the dead.
That was a good'un though, then chipped off in the helicopter? Am i right? Is she actually dead now? I have such an awful memory
That was a good'un though, then chipped off in the helicopter? Am i right? Is she actually dead now? I have such an awful memoryShe was last seen in an helicopter leaving Chris with blood pouring from him! She based him over the head with an ornament, took a bag of money and fled in an helicopter. It was pure class, I hope we see Kim Tate again in the future :)
xCharliex
21-08-2005, 00:25
Ah so that means if it ever happened she could actually return!! Now Zoe will be out of the picture soon, oooo ive got all excited now, lol.
Ah so that means if it ever happened she could actually return!! Now Zoe will be out of the picture soon, oooo ive got all excited now, lol.Would love to see her back, has she ever talked about returning?
On that Emmerdale affairs thing she did say there was possibility of a Sadie V Kim match if she ever returned.
xCharliex
21-08-2005, 00:30
Would love to see her back, has she ever talked about returning?
On that Emmerdale affairs thing she did say there was possibility of a Sadie V Kim match if she ever returned.
Yeah she did say that, oooo that would be soooo good my 2 fav bitch characters v's each other hehe.
She has made hints of returning, i dont think shes ruled it out.
Eastenders thread..... Emmerdale discussion....
I liked the leo and demi storyline! I think he is running out of things to write about so he is sinking to new lows! :rotfl:
Behemoth
24-08-2005, 11:03
I thought that artical was pretty accurate and funny. Eastenders does seem to be on a bit of a downward spiral lately.
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