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callummc
07-08-2005, 12:22
according to the sunday mirro,sams gonna batter chrissy,when she finds out shes forged dens signiture to make the vic her own,sam snaps and batters chrissy,she also says shes gonna tell dens kids whats really happened to their dad,this all happens on friday 19th august-sounds good dosn't it
Bad Wolf
07-08-2005, 12:24
sounds brilliant
is it me though or is the only thing chrissie does at the moment is have foghts and give the camera dodgy looks??
Sounds great, Can't wait for it to be aired.
shannisrules
07-08-2005, 12:43
sounds like chrissie's in for a rough ride
Until the tables turn and Chrissie frames Sam.
Until the tables turn and Chrissie frames Sam.Chrissie won't get away with it the Mitchells will drive her out of town :)
If Den's kids find out on the 19th August then what're they doing with the wedding which isn't until later on?
shannisrules
07-08-2005, 13:16
when is the wedding?
If Den's kids find out on the 19th August then what're they doing with the wedding which isn't until later on?
I suspect that Sam only threatenes Chrissie about telling Den's kids. They will find out at the wedding.
shannisrules
07-08-2005, 13:40
i thought the title should be the other way round when i first saw it
Princess
07-08-2005, 14:27
sounds brilliant
is it me though or is the only thing chrissie does at the moment is have foghts and give the camera dodgy looks??
I know. EastEnders has ended quite a lot recently with Chrissie giving dodgy looks.
i thought the title should be the other way round when i first saw itSam is way stronger than Chrissie :)
I know. EastEnders has ended quite a lot recently with Chrissie giving dodgy looks.It's better than the Alfie Moon endings :)
when is the wedding?
29th August I think :D
.:SpIcYsPy:.
07-08-2005, 14:34
I love a good cat fight!
Me too :p
i personally lurve chrissies dodgy looks lol! she is so funny when she pulls them faces, i cant get over what a great actress she is, she best win an award soon! she deserves it! i cant really see how sam could beat chrissie in a fight to be honest but whatever, this is EE so anything can happen i suppose. should be good to watch anyway i cant wait for this to happen! :D
eastenders mad
07-08-2005, 16:36
will dens kids belive what Sam says though??
i personally lurve chrissies dodgy looks lol! she is so funny when she pulls them faces, i cant get over what a great actress she is, she best win an award soon! she deserves it! i cant really see how sam could beat chrissie in a fight to be honest but whatever, this is EE so anything can happen i suppose. should be good to watch anyway i cant wait for this to happen! :DSam is a Mitchell and she's already pushed Chrissie down on the floor :)
will dens kids belive what Sam says though??I don't think she tells them I think she just threatens to :)
Sam is a Mitchell and she's already pushed Chrissie down on the floor :)when did she push chrissie down on the floor! sorry am i being really blonde cause i cant remember that happening. also just cause she is a mitchel doesnt mean chrissie cant kick her a**! :p
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 16:50
will dens kids belive what Sam says though??
Dennis will .. dunno what Sharon will think tho,, she is a bit ditzy when it comes to STINKY DEN,,Surely Stinky's funeral will bring out alot of people who are making sure that he is DEAD ?????:cheer:
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 16:52
I don't think she tells them I think she just threatens to :)
so sam is gonna threaten to tell the kids, but at the same time Chrissie is gonna make sure the blame is on Sam omg LOL:nono: The story line is gonna be reaaalllyyyy interesting
when did she push chrissie down on the floor! sorry am i being really blonde cause i cant remember that happening. also just cause she is a mitchel doesnt mean chrissie cant kick her a**! :pWhen Sam took money from the till after coming back from the solicitors and finding out Andy hadn't left her as much as she thought he would :)
EastEnders' Sam Mitchell realises she's been cheated out of the Queen Vic by scheming Chrissie Watts.
Furious Sam attacks the curly-haired landlady - played by Tracy-Ann Oberman - when she discovers Chrissie forged the late Den Watts' signature on papers...making the Queen Vic hers.
Chrissie promised Sam half of the pub in return for her keeping quiet about the night Chrissie murdered Den. But Sam - played by Kim Medcalf - now tells Chrissie she'll tell his kids how she killed their dad.
Chrissie calls her bluff but Sam is hellbent on revenge and wrestles her to the ground in an explosive episode on Friday, August 19. An insider said: "Tensions have been rising between these two for months."
hannah-mj
07-08-2005, 16:57
this sounds really good!
Chrissie calls her bluff but Sam is hellbent on revenge and wrestles her to the ground in an explosive episode on Friday, August 19. An insider said: "Tensions have been rising between these two for months."
:eek: As if they've got Sam wrestling her to the ground! Chrissie is a lot tougher than that, she could floor Sam. This is going to be excellent though, it's all building up very nicely.
Katie :)
hannah-mj
07-08-2005, 17:02
i think its good because everything kind of backfires on people (ermm i think :S )
It sounds like a good fight :)
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 17:06
EastEnders' Sam Mitchell realises she's been cheated out of the Queen Vic by scheming Chrissie Watts.
Furious Sam attacks the curly-haired landlady - played by Tracy-Ann Oberman - when she discovers Chrissie forged the late Den Watts' signature on papers...making the Queen Vic hers.
Chrissie promised Sam half of the pub in return for her keeping quiet about the night Chrissie murdered Den. But Sam - played by Kim Medcalf - now tells Chrissie she'll tell his kids how she killed their dad.
Chrissie calls her bluff but Sam is hellbent on revenge and wrestles her to the ground in an explosive episode on Friday, August 19. An insider said: "Tensions have been rising between these two for months."
oooohhhhhh i am glad i am gonna be around to see this,, :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
:eek: As if they've got Sam wrestling her to the ground! Chrissie is a lot tougher than that, she could floor Sam. This is going to be excellent though, it's all building up very nicely.
Katie :)exactly thats what i thoguht! how can sam wrestle her to the ground? lol she probably does get her on the ground for like one second then chrissie snaps and gets up and then she kicks her a**!
Chrissie didn't start out strong whereas Sam always knew how to be tough.
i_luv_dennis
07-08-2005, 17:18
about time
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 17:24
Sam was not always a little hell cat was she ??? I think she must have picked up the "fighting" genes from her big brothers? and her feistyness from her mom Peg.. so shes got the right combination to knock Chrissie on her rear:rotfl:
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 17:31
Sam had to be tuff cos of who she was,, thats probably why she always knew how to be a tuff gal,,I think as a Mitchell its Sams turn to "shine" thru,, as for Kicking Chrissie in the u know what,, Chrissie has it coming to her,, :)
Chrissie didn't start out strong whereas Sam always knew how to be tough.
Chrissie is far better in a battle of wits, she'd win hands down everytime. I think she's stronger mentally rather than physically, much happier playing mind games to grind people down instead of having a cat fight. In that sense, I suppose Sam is more likely to win a scrap, but when the pair had a fight just before they killed Den, it was Sam who ended up on the floor and not Chrissie.
Katie :)
Chrissie is far better in a battle of wits, she'd win hands down everytime. I think she's stronger mentally rather than physically, much happier playing mind games to grind people down instead of having a cat fight. In that sense, I suppose Sam is more likely to win a scrap, but when the pair had a fight just before they killed Den, it was Sam who ended up on the floor and not Chrissie.
Katie :)And then Sam pushed Chrissie on her bum too!
And then Sam pushed Chrissie on her bum too!
Ohh i'd forgotten about that! Perhaps they're equals, there appears to be no clear winner.
Katie :)
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 17:52
And then Sam pushed Chrissie on her bum too!
I root for Sam every time,,:cheer: I don't like murders very much :D
I remember when Joan Collins got thrown in a mud hole by Linda Evans in "Dynasty" now that was one hell of a cat fight
i_luv_dennis
07-08-2005, 17:58
i think they should all get a punishment
Zoe Slater shouldn't she's a victim :)
Sam can go and do all the scratching Chrissie's eyes out all she likes. It won’t matter to Chrissie and in the end Chrissie is the stronger of the two and I'm not talking in the physical sense only, but mentally too.
Sam simply lacks the intelligence, slyness and conniving nature that Chrissie has. This is why Chrissie is so unique. She can out smart every female in the square because instead of going in for the kill she sits back and works out her strategy. She is one fine manipulator and learned from the master. Sam, all she has is the Mitchell name and she is nothing without it. This is why Peggy and her brothers come to help her out. There is no way she would be able to do it on her own.
As for the fight, I don't think it will be any thing brilliant. I've seen the way Sam fights. She's like a little girl fighting for her dolly. :lol:
sarahwelford
07-08-2005, 18:37
I would always back chrissie sam may win this fight but chrissie will win the overall fight
BlackKat
07-08-2005, 18:58
I thought Sam didn't care about the Vic anymore -- didn't she give up on all that, and just decided she was better being out of the whole thing totally?
I thought Sam didn't care about the Vic anymore -- didn't she give up on all that, and just decided she was better being out of the whole thing totally?
Yes, she did, but she seems to change her mind a lot these days. Like telling Chrissie she was on her own now, and then running to her panicing that Sharon was off to Spain and asking her to do something. She never means what she says, just uses idle threats occasionally, they never seem to come to anything.
Katie :)
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 19:18
Can some of you tell me what the big deal is ...
why does Chrissie and Sam NOT want Sharon to go to Spain???? Big deal if Sharon runs into STINKY DENS old cronies, and they claim they have not seen him. i just don't get it,, maybe some of u guys can enlighten me :confused: :searchme:
I assume it's because when Sharon finds no leads in Spain, and nobody there has seen Den, then she'll come back and start hunting around closer to home. She isn't going to give up her search for Den, and will therefore eventually realise that something has happened to him. Obviously this will spell trouble for Sam and Chrissie, and this is why they tried to stop her searching in the first place. That's how I see it.
Katie :)
I assume it's because when Sharon finds no leads in Spain, and nobody there has seen Den, then she'll come back and start hunting around closer to home. She isn't going to give up her search for Den, and will therefore eventually realise that something has happened to him. Obviously this will spell trouble for Sam and Chrissie, and this is why they tried to stop her searching in the first place. That's how I see it.
Katie :)That's how I see it too :)
It would just be great if Sam called Chrissie's bluff and went to the police and told them the truth she would get sent down too of course but she'd be out of prison long before Chrissie :) Then Sam really would have destroyed her and got her revenge :)
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 19:44
Ok thats how u guys see it,, after thinking about it a bit.. if Stinky Dens buddies in Spain are any thing like him. they are gonna keep their mouths closed about his whereabouts ..some people do not want to be found ( even tho this certain person is rottin under a slab of cement) Ok Sharon hits his usual haunts and doesn't find him,, which means she is gonna be leaning on Chrissie twice as hard.......:hmm:
When Sharon returns from Spain after finding no leads she calls the police. This spells trouble for Sam and Chrissie and the run up to Chrissie framing Sam begins......
I think that Chrissie, Sam and Zoe should all be punished. Yes, Sam and Zoe are both victims of Chrissie and Den but they did hide information from the police and cover up the murder. Zoe did hit Den over the head although it was Chrissie who actually killed him. They should all pay for the crimes that they comitted. Whatever Den and Chrissie did to Sam and Zoe dosen't mean that they can break the law.
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 20:33
It would just be great if Sam called Chrissie's bluff and went to the police and told the truth she would get sent down too of course but she'd be out of prison long before Chrissie :) Then Sam really would have destroyed her and got her revenge :)
ooh yea I like that one too :cheer:
JustJodi
07-08-2005, 20:35
I think that Chrissie, Sam and Zoe should all be punished. Yes, Sam and Zoe are both victims of Chrissie and Den but they did hide information from the police and cover up the murder. Zoe did hit Den over the head although it was Chrissie who actually killed him. They should all pay for the crimes that they comitted. Whatever Den and Chrissie did to Sam and Zoe dosen't mean that they can break the law.
Neither of them should be extempt from the law,, :mad: How is Zoe gonna figure into all this chaos ??? Shes gone now and I doubt Kat is gonna wanna share her whereabouts .. so we have some interesting episodes coming up :thumbsup:
The Mitchells would rather go to prison and then sort it out themselves 20 years down the line, but it would be good to see the look on Chrissie's face if Sam did do that.
Neither of them should be extempt from the law,, :mad: How is Zoe gonna figure into all this chaos ??? Shes gone now and I doubt Kat is gonna wanna share her whereabouts .. so we have some interesting episodes coming up :thumbsup:
Kat warns Chrissie to keep Zoe out of it, and after what has already happened, Chrissie is scared of what Kat could do to her even if she doesn't show it, so I can't see Zoe being involved.
If they do get punished it should be for their right crimes!
Exactly, but somehow I think Zoe will get away with it, but then some may say she's already been punished enough...
callummc
07-08-2005, 21:16
zoey was manipulated peticularly by chrissy,it was a case of a little girl living in a womans world
If they do get punished it should be for their right crimes!
My point exactly.
I think that Zoe will get away with her involvement and Chrissie will escape.
Exactly, but somehow I think Zoe will get away with it, but then some may say she's already been punished enough...Exactly! Zoe has been a victim all her life and she deserves to get away with it :)
People have always lied to Zoe and denied her the truth the poor girl was denied her own mother until she was in her late teens!
.:SpIcYsPy:.
08-08-2005, 09:10
I agree
Exactly! Zoe has been a victim all her life and she deserves to get away with it :)
Pah, not to me she hasn't. She got in those situations she because she allowed herself too. I have no sympathy for the dim twit.
I don't see why Zoe should get off. She has been punished by what -sleeping with Den and losing Dennis. The only thing she has been a victim too throughout this whole façade is thinking that she killed Den for 4 months. That’s nothing. I don't think that serves punishment. The rest that happened to her was a result of her own decisions and choices. She was manipulated but no one made her. It was her selfish nature that drove her to such extremes and then starts crying like a baby when it all blows up in her face.
She helped to get rid of the body and therefore deserves punishment just as much as the other two. I can't think of any reason as why she should be exempt while the other two get punished. Where is the justice in that? Realistically though, it won't happen as she has left the show.
Out of all three, she's got of lightly. Chrissie and Sam are both in Walford and have to face Den's family knowing what they have done while Zoe has had a quick escape to Ibiza to move on with her life. She is young and she has Kat fighting her corner now. Plus she has/had her family around. The other two didn’t have that advantage. Basically bottom line, if there is going to be some sort of punishment, it should be for all three and not Zoe being erased, who never convinced me of her ‘I’m so innocent act’. :D
.:SpIcYsPy:.
08-08-2005, 09:12
Wow you type fast!! Faster than me prob. :eek:
JustJodi
08-08-2005, 09:12
People have always lied to Zoe and denied her the truth the poor girl was denied her own mother until she was in her late teens!
Kat wasn't much of a mother.. she was always a selfish woman and self centered ..thats just my 2 cents worth,, and yes Zoe has been a victim most of her life,,, i feel for her and she deserves a BREAK,,,:)
Me too. And there was all the trauma brought on by the mother bomshell, no wonder she ran away after her family did that to her.
It was Kat that I had more sympathy for. She was the real victim throughout the storyline. I did feel for Zoe, but Kat more.
Pah, not to me she hasn't. She got in those situations she because she allowed herself too. I have no sympathy for the dim twit.
I don't see why Zoe should get off. She has been punished by what -sleeping with Den and losing Dennis. The only thing she has been a victim too throughout this whole façade is thinking that she killed Den for 4 months. That’s nothing. I don't think that serves punishment. The rest that happened to her was a result of her own decisions and choices. She was manipulated but no one made her. It was her selfish nature that drove her to such extremes and then starts crying like a baby when it all blows up in her face.
She helped to get rid of the body and therefore deserves punishment just as much as the other two. I can't think of any reason as why she should be exempt while the other two get punished. Where is the justice in that? Realistically though, it won't happen as she has left the show.
Out of all three, she's got of lightly. Chrissie and Sam are both in Walford and have to face Den's family knowing what they have done while Zoe has had a quick escape to Ibiza to move on with her life. She is young and she has Kat fighting her corner now. Plus she has/had her family around. The other two didn’t have that advantage. Basically bottom line, if there is going to be some sort of punishment, it should be for all three and not Zoe being erased, who never convinced me of her ‘I’m so innocent act’. :D
You mention those situations but she was a genuine victim she didn't get herself into the situation whereby she discovered her late mother wasn't really her mother and her uncle was her dad who had raped her sister who was actually her mother etc...
That must be a shock for anyone the family have always spoiled her because she's unique to the rest because of the situation that's probably why she's selfish and she acts a bit spoilt. Yes she did get into the whole Den saga by herself and nobody held a gun to her head she wasn't a victim then but she was a victim to Chrissie's scheming afterwards like you said. I can't believe you said it wasn't that big of a thing etc but I disagree with you on that one it's quite serious putting someone through torture for 4 months of their life. She'd have been going through enough torture if she wasn't the killer just knowing about this so to think she was the killer as well it must have been destroying her. One of them had to have that to deal with but it should have been Chrissie because she was the killer!
It was Kat that I had more sympathy for. She was the real victim throughout the storyline. I did feel for Zoe, but Kat more.There was plenty of reason to feel for the character of Zoe after this bombshell was dropped so maybe you just don't like her as a character and therefore can't feel for her in any situation?
Yes, what with the truth coming out about Harry, and Trevor broadcasting it to the whole of the Vic, I really did feel for her. His death was the best thing that could have happened for Zoe and Kat.
I did feel for Zoe, she had been lied to her whole life until she was nearly 18.
It doesn't excuse her behaviour in the Den storyline and her selfishness whatsoever but it does maintain the fact she has been a victim in life :)
You mention those situations but she was a genuine victim she didn't get herself into the situation whereby she discovered her late mother wasn't really her mother and her uncle was her dad who had raped her sister who was actually her mother etc...
That must be a shock for anyone the family have always spoiled her because she's unique to the rest because of the situation that's probably why she's selfish and she acts a bit spoilt. Yes she did get into the whole Den saga by herself and nobody held a gun to her head she wasn't a victim then but she was a victim to Chrissie's scheming afterwards like you said. I can't believe you said it wasn't that big of a thing etc but I disagree with you on that one it's quite serious putting someone through torture for 4 months of their life. She'd have been going through enough torture if she wasn't the killer just knowing about this so to think she was the killer as well it must have been destroying her. One of them had to have that to deal with but it should have been Chrissie because she was the killer!
I was refering to her recent storyline but now you've mentioned it she was innocent in the Kat and Harry storyline but personally I saw Kat as more of a victim than Zoe was. Everyone was comforting Zoe at the time but it was Kat who had been raped at 13 and had to bury this huge secret and was all alone. Zoe has been loved all her life making her into the spoilt person that she is today.
As for the 4 month thing, yes it must have been torture for her and I'm not saying what Chrissie did was right but I don't see how 4 months of thinking she killed some justifies getting out of prison for several years just because she 'thought' she killed someone. As horribal as it was, I don't see why she should get off scotch free.
There was plenty of reason to feel for the character of Zoe after this bombshell was dropped so maybe you just don't like her as a character and therefore can't feel for her in any situation?
I think there is some truth in that. She irritated me with her selfish nature and I think this also had alot to do with my sympathy swaying towards Kat.
I was refering to her recent storyline but now you've emntioned she was innocent in the Kat and Harry storyline but personally I sae Kat as more of a victim than Zoe was. Everyone was comforting Zoe at the time but it was Kat who had been raped at 13 and had to bury this huge secret and was allalone. Zoe has been loved all her life makeing her into the spoilt person that she is today.
As for the 4 month thing, yes it must have been torture for her and I'm not saying what Chrissie did was right but I don't see how 4 months of thinking she killed some justifies getting out of prison for several years just because she 'thought' she killed someone. As horribal as it was, I don't see why she should get off scotch free.
She should be left alone because Chrissie put her through enough pain.
Kat was a victim more than Zoe but Kat should have told her the truth sooner rather than continue to keep it a secret. Once Zoe was old enough to understand the situation Kat should have told her. It's not something you can just drop into the conversation I appreciate that but it was very wrong keeping it from her. I'm also not buying into this whole Kat was forced into it thing by her parents etc because we know they wouldn't be allowed to just take over her baby if it was against her wishes.
I think there is some truth in that. She irritated me with her selfish nature and I think this also had alot to do with my sympathy swaying towards Kat.Maybe she's selfish because she's been spoilt?
Kat was 14 when she had Zoe, she couldn't really do anything about it untill she was 16, but then I think she should have done something. You have to have sympathy for Zoe finding out the way she did, but poor Kat had to keep the fact that Harry had raped her to herself for over 18 years.
She should be left alone because Chrissie put her through enough pain.
Kat was a victim more than Zoe but Kat should have told her the truth sooner rather than continue to keep it a secret. Once Zoe was old enough to understand the situation Kat should have told her. It's not something you can just drop into the conversation I appreciate that but it was very wrong keeping it from her. I'm also not buying into this whole Kat was forced into it thing by her parents etc because we know they wouldn't be allowed to just take over her baby if it was against her wishes.
I disagree. She slept with her husband after all and Chrissie did tell her about wanting a child of her own so it’s not as if Zoe spared her feelings at the time. She hasn’t been punished imo. As they say ‘if you do the crime, you should do the time.’
I agree that Kat should have told her the truth sooner but you have to remember that Kat was only 13 at the time. She was just a child. Therefore she wasn't mentally able to make those decisions. When Zoe slept with Den she was 21. I can certainly see the comparison there. I can totally see how Kat fell victim at such a young age especially with Zoe. The decisions were made around her and she lacked the maturity to deal with such things. Plus she was raped too. That caused a lot of physiological damage and therefore any decision she made at the time was imbalanced and reinforced from other factors.
She should have told Zoe later and not blurted out in the street. However she did plan to tell her. However Zoe already had a mother so its not an easy thing to say. In Kats defence she was going to tell her at 18. Even if it was late, at least by then Zoe would have been an adult and maybe would have dealed with it better than one would have as a child.
Maybe she's selfish because she's been spoilt?
Yes, I do agree with this.
Kat was 14 when she had Zoe, she couldn't really do anything about it untill she was 16, but then I think she should have done something. You have to have sympathy for Zoe finding out the way she did, but poor Kat had to keep the fact that Harry had raped her to herself for over 18 years.That's Kat's fault for not confiding in anybody she did tell the Slater mum Viv.
Kat may have been 13/14 but it was her baby and the law would clearly state that! You can't just take a baby away from it's mother Kat obviously didn't care enough to do anything about it!!! I'm sure she did care (following onto what I just said) but to her family was more important so she made the wrong decision.
I disagree. She slept with her husband after all and Chrissie did tell her about wanting a child of her own so it’s not as if Zoe spared her feelings at the time. She hasn’t been punished imo. As they say ‘if you do the crime, you should do the time.’
I agree that Kat should have told her the truth sooner but you have to remember that Kat was only 13 at the time. She was just a child. Therefore she wasn't mentally able to make those decisions. When Zoe slept with Den she was 21. I can certainly see the comparison there. I can totally see how Kat fell victim at such a young age especially with Zoe. The decisions were made around her and she lacked the maturity to deal with such things. Plus she was raped too. That caused a lot of physiological damage and therefore any decision she made at the time was imbalanced and reinforced from other factors.
She should have told Zoe later and not blurted out in the street. However she did plan to tell her. However Zoe already had a mother so its not an easy thing to say. In Kats defence she was going to tell her at 18. Even if it was late, at least by then Zoe would have been an adult and maybe would have dealed with it better than one would have as a child.Kat should have told Zoe when she was old enough to understand what Kat was saying the longer it was left the more bitter it was going to be for all of them.
I know what Zoe did to Chrissie was wrong and the manipulation of Den isn't strong enough in her defence because she could have walked away. I do think she was blinded by her love for Dennis but that's her own fault for not realising it might perhaps have not been worth it. She got her comeuppance though when Dennis left her so that was payback for what she did to Chrissie. Then Chrissie talked her into the idea of having an abortion which Zoe later regretted for a while that was an extra portion of revenge from Chrissie then Chrissie had to go one further and torture Zoe as if she hasn't been through enough in her life by making her think she had taken a life away when in actual fact it was Chrissie who done the deed. I just think in a battle of victims Zoe comes out on top over Chrissie yes Chrissie may have been betrayed etc but on the larger scale of it all she had payback more than once or at the very least the satisfaction of seeing Zoe suffer!
Its not that easy to confide in someone that you have been raped, especially by your uncle. It's a very sensitive subject and is something that women keep for years. Kats portrayal was spot on.
Kat was young. I don't even think that law came into it because that was not what she was thinking about at the time. Her mind must have been all over the place. I don’t think it was about her family being more important either. She was too week to fight back. She did want to keep Zoe but they didn’t let her. That was Kat’s exact words and this pretty much highlights how much Kat was a child at the time by saying 'wouldn't let me'. She was still under the control of her parents and that’s how she and any child of that age would see things.
Its not that easy to confide in someone that you have been raped, especially by your uncle. It's a very sensitive subject and is something that women keep for years. Kats portrayal was spot on.
Kat was young. I don't even think that law came into it because that was not what she was thinking about at the time. Her mind must have been all over the place. I don’t think it was about her family being more important either. She was too week to fight back. She did want to keep Zoe but they didn’t let her. That was Kat’s exact words and this pretty much highlights how much Kat was a child at the time by saying 'wouldn't let me'. She was still under the control of her parents and that’s how she and any child of that age would see things.The Miller parents tried to take Aleesha away from Demi but Demi eventually told them that she wanted to be a mother to her baby so they let her. It may have been an entirely different situation but it just shows that Kat could have done something about it.
She told her mum that Harry was touching her, but after the reaction she got, I can't blame her for not telling anyone. What could Kat have done about it at 14? She was just a child, how could she have got Zoe back?
The Miller parents tried to take Aleesha away from Demi but Demi eventually told them that she wanted to be a mother to her baby so they let her. It may have been an entirely different situation but it just shows that Kat could have done something about it.
The Millers are not the Slaters though.
I don't even think that Demi fought for Aleesha either. She was quiet and distant but once Rosie noticed that she wasn't happy thats when she realised that Demi wanted to be a mother to her daughter.
Kat on the other hand told them herself and they refused. She could have tried harder but she was at her most vulnerable and just conceived the child of her uncle, who she was sexually molested by. She simply did not have the will power and mental stability to fight for her and being just 13/14 at the time didn't help. They were her elders as she was still a kid. That was understandable under the circumstances.
She told her mum that Harry was touching her, but after the reaction she got, I can't blame her for not telling anyone. What could Kat have done about it at 14? She was just a child, how could she have got Zoe back?
I agree. Her mum accused her of lyeing and told her not to say such dirty things. If thats the reaction she got out of her own mother, its hardly going to promot her to tell someone else.
At 14, I do think Kat's actions were very justified. Its not as if she was Zoe's age (when jumping into bed with Den) that she had the brain power to make choices for herself. She was barely into secondary school when it all happened.
As a mother though Kat was well within her rights to make the decision to look after the baby. If she told them that's what she wanted to do (and I can't remember whether she did or not) then they would have had to respect her decision if not then they basically kidnapped Zoe hypothetically.
She told her mum that she wanted to keep Zoe but she said that everyone had worked so hard to sort everything out and she wasn't to ruin anything.
They allowed Kat to choose her name but ordered that that was the end to it.
As a mother though Kat was well within her rights to make the decision to look after the baby. If she told them that's what she wanted to do (and I can't remember whether she did or not) then they would have had to respect her decision if not then they basically kidnapped Zoe hypothetically.
I totally agree but its not something that Kat was thinking about at the time. She may have not even been aware of family law at the time being around 13/14 (and therefore a lack of education). Being as young as she was and considering what had happened the technicalities and law etc didn't enter the mind of a child.
She did tell them but they didn’t respect her decision because they thought she wasn't able to make that decision and then decided to raise Zoe as their own because they thought it was 'for the best'. Kat was too vulnerable and young to fight back. It was her against the rest who were hell bent on raising Zoe as another Slater sister.
She told her mum that she wanted to keep Zoe but she said that everyone had worked so hard to sort everything out and she wasn't to ruin anything.
They allowed Kat to choose her name but ordered that that was the end to it.Then if she was adamant in her decision her mother would have had to let her.
I totally agree but its not something that Kat was thinking about at the time. She may have not even been aware of family law at the time being around 13/14 (and therefore a lack of education). Being as young as she was and considering what had happened the technicalities and law etc didn't enter the mind of a child.
She did tell them but they didn’t respect her decision because they thought she wasn't able to make that decision and then decided to raise Zoe as their own because they thought it was 'for the best'. Kat was too vulnerable and young to fight back. It was her against the rest who were hell bent on raising Zoe as another Slater sister.
It doesn't matter what the rest thought Kat had the final say in anything! She didn't need to be educated it's common sense that if you have a baby it can't be taken away from you if you want to raise it. The family should have listened to Kat and let her raise her daughter with their support. The Slaters are supposed to be a close knit family but they're awful at the end of the day because they treat eachother so badly sometimes.
Then if she was adamant in her decision her mother would have had to let her.
It wasn't just her mother that Kat was up against. There was Charlie and big Mo too, who were also against Kat raising Zoe.
When you have a 14 year old girl against 3 loud mouth determined adult parenting Slaters, she didn't really have a chance. In the end she may have even believed that it was the right thing to do despite her knowing in the back of her mind that it wasn't. I can see confusion playing a huge part, especially being so young.
It doesn't matter what the rest thought Kat had the final say in anything! She didn't need to be educated it's common sense that if you have a baby it can't be taken away from you if you want to raise it. The family should have listened to Kat and let her raise her daughter with their support. The Slaters are supposed to be a close knit family but they're awful at the end of the day because they treat eachother so badly sometimes.
Which brings me back to the fact that she was just a kid herself. She wasn't in the right state of mind to fight and she was raped too. I thought the way she dealt with it was a realisitic portrayal of how a 13 year old girl would do in a similiar situation. The family could have listened to her but they didn't. Afterall it was they who were the adults.
Which brings me back to the fact that she was just a kid herself. She wasn't in the right state of mind to fight and she was raped too. I thought the way she dealt with it was a realisitic portrayal of how a 13 year old girl would do in a similiar situation. The family could have listened to her but they didn't. Afterall it was they who were the adults.I can see where you're coming from definately but it all boils down to (for me anyway) how much she wanted to raise the baby. She wouldn't have worried about all that stuff if she wanted it badly her maternal instinct would have kicked in and she would have been strong for her baby and just basically demanded that she could raise her. It's easy to say the rape etc broke her down and it probably did of course but that wouldn't have been relevant because if she'd wanted to keep Zoe badly her maternal instinct would have kicked in and forced her to fight for it. I know some people don't have a maternal instinct but if Kat wanted to keep the baby then she obviously did!
.:SpIcYsPy:.
08-08-2005, 10:28
Congrats to Alisha for making the 1,000 post mark, now you have use an avatar and PM people over 1,000 posts :)
Oooo we've been gassing that much I hadn't noticed! Congratulations Alisha :)
Oooo we've been gassing that much I hadn't noticed! Congratulations Alisha :)
:lol: I've only just noticed it now, that you've mentioned it. :p
I see what you said about the maternal instinct. I remember Kat talking to Zoe about it but by the decisions were made around her. She could have fought harder if she was that desperate but I honestly believe Kat was insecure and was made to feel worthless, like a cheap tart (given what Harry did to her). The more the family went on at her, the more she gave up on her will to fight and I think eventually this led to her believing that she wasn't worthy of being a mother anymore. Even now, Kat still pushes that self destruct button and this all goes way back to the Harry days. It’s damaged her in more ways than one.
Congrats Alisha¬!!!!! :cheer:
:lol: I've only just noticed it now, that you've mentioned it. :p
I see what you said about the maternal instinct. I remember Kat talking to Zoe about it but by the decisions were made around her. She could have fought harder if she was that desperate but I honestly believe Kat was insecure and was made to feel worthless, like a cheap tart (given what Harry did to her). The more the family went on at her, the more she gave up on her will to fight and I think eventually this led to her believing that she wasn't worthy of being a mother anymore. Even now, Kat still pushes that self destruct button and this all goes way back to the Harry days. It’s damaged her in more ways than one.I can see you point of view but still don't buy it personally.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
08-08-2005, 11:08
Look at Growler Fowler lmao!!
Look at Growler Fowler lmao!!I know!!! I love her eyes :D
She looks half cut!!! Though at least shes not cross eyed!!!
I know she's still alive I fed her atlast!
JustJodi
08-08-2005, 12:16
Congratulations Alisha Now I Gotta Do The Same Thing With My Posts,, Whahooooooooooooooooo
JustJodi
08-08-2005, 12:17
I know!!! I love her eyes :D
AWWWWW a sleepy eyed pup :D
lisa cullumbine
08-08-2005, 13:57
Yeah Especially When Peggy Pushes Chrissie Into Dens Grave When He Is Buried Properly Nice One.
JustJodi
08-08-2005, 15:18
Yeah Especially When Peggy Pushes Chrissie Into Dens Grave When He Is Buried Properly Nice One.
Stinky Den is finally gonna be truly BURIED this time :rotfl: And Kudos to Peggy :cheer:
.:Kitz:.
08-08-2005, 15:20
oh wow, this sounds interesting!!
desire786
08-08-2005, 17:44
hey
is that really gonna happen wi sam n chrisse thatz gonna b greatt have u got ne other information :cheer:
MiTcHeLlS_rOk
08-08-2005, 18:05
i hope sam wins the fight lol
as she usually says 'no one crosses the mitchels'
holz
Preview pictures of the fight, taken from Digital Spy...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/------Blondie------/Friday19th1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/------Blondie------/Friday19th2.jpg
Katie :)
Looks great. Thanks for posting.
JustJodi
08-08-2005, 22:19
Preview pictures of the fight, taken from Digital Spy...
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/------Blondie------/Friday19th1.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a386/------Blondie------/Friday19th2.jpg
Katie :)
well shucks folks looks like Billy is holding Chrissie while Sam beats the snot outta her:lol:
It does doesn't it! It looks like Sam chucks a drink over her in the first one before launching into a scrap, there's an empty glass in her hand and it's pointing right at Chrissie!
Katie :)
JustJodi
08-08-2005, 22:52
It does doesn't it! It looks like Sam chucks a drink over her in the first one before launching into a scrap, there's an empty glass in her hand and it's pointing right at Chrissie!
Katie :)
I am so looking forward to seeing this episode !!!!!:clap:
I am so looking forward to seeing this episode !!!!!:clap:
Me too!!! should be good!
dEsPeRaDo
09-08-2005, 09:29
yay i hate chrissie she's so evil - go sam :-)
Yay for Sam :cheer: I hope Billy does hold her still while Sam calls her a murderer then kicks her stomach in! I do like Chrissie but Sam is an established character and should not be framed by the slink :)
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:04
Yay for Sam :cheer: I hope Billy does hold her still while Sam calls her a murderer then kicks her stomach in! I do like Chrissie but Sam is an established character and should not be framed by the slink :)
I hope the Vic is packed when all this happens !!!!!
I hope the Vic is packed when all this happens !!!!!Sam should get fired in with the punches!
go sam ! cant stand chrissie
I think Chrissie has been a really good character who has helped the show remain interesting during some of it's darker months however she should not be fitting up Sam so I'm glad she's getting attacked!
hope sam pulls her dog like hair out
I think she's got really nice hair that's Tracy-Ann's real hair too :)
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/9597/image16ts.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Go Sam!Attack her with Straighteners!
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/9217/image13hl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img309.imageshack.us/img309/9597/image16ts.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
yay! she does grab her mop
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:14
Go Sam!Attack her with Straighteners!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: loved it :lol: :lol:
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:16
hope sam pulls her dog like hair out
hey chance your hormones are gittin to ya girl.:rotfl: :rotfl: .gawd i love it.. some one said for Sam to attack her with hair straightener :lol: :lol: :lol:
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:18
Hey when is this cat fight supposed to happen?? I must have missed it.:searchme: :confused:
Go Sam!Attack her with Straighteners!
lmao
hey chance your hormones are gittin to ya girl.:rotfl: :rotfl: .gawd i love it.. some one said for Sam to attack her with hair straightener :lol: :lol: :lol:
i know! blimmin hormones! im getting cattier by the day!
Hey when is this cat fight supposed to happen?? I must have missed it.:searchme: :confused:
dont think its happened yet,19th of aug i think
Friday 19th August at 8:00pm well that's here anyways :)
yay! she does grab her mopAwww I really like Tracy-Ann's hair! :)
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:24
i know! blimmin hormones! im getting cattier by the day!
:wub: its ok sweetie I have walked in your shoes.. but U GO GIRL !!!!:cheer: This is a perfect place to get catty on a SOAP OPERA FORUM lol:rotfl:
This looks really good because I love fights :D
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:40
This looks really good because I love fights :D
ooohhhh I know I love em too....:thumbsup:
ooohhhh I know I love em too....:thumbsup: They are one of the best things about soaps :) 'EastEnders' have always done the best fights IMHO :D
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 10:50
They are one of the best things about soaps :) 'EastEnders' have always done the best fights IMHO :D
well bring em on...we haven't had a goooood fight in a real long time !!!! I say it is about ( bleep) time :rotfl: :rotfl:
well bring em on...we haven't had a goooood fight in a real long time !!!! I say it is about ( bleep) time :rotfl: :rotfl:
Here here! I'll second that :)
Awww I really like Tracy-Ann's hair! :)
aww i do to honey!!! hehe|!!!! This does look good though!
Sam always grabs chrissie's hair i think she is jealous, because when chrissie was trying to get sam on side, she went downstairs and sam was chucking glass everywhere well she grabbed chrissie's hair then too! (i don't have a good memory i watch the eppi the other night!!!)
EE needs a good fight! and god would you look at that its in the Vic and let me guess it will be full of people!!!
Why do women always grab hair though - a good punch up, thats whats needed not hair pulling and slapping!!! :D :D
Dr. Tangliss
09-08-2005, 11:36
Why do women always grab hair though - a good punch up, thats whats needed not hair pulling and slapping!!! :D :D
Normally because it's long, to it's easy to get at, lol!
I hope if a punch is thrown though, its better than the one that Zoe threw at Chrissie which missed her face, but still managed to split her lip......I want proper fisticuffs!! lol
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 11:38
Why do women always grab hair though - a good punch up, thats whats needed not hair pulling and slapping!!! :D :D
and scratching and biting... i would have given her a good slug in the kisser ..the hair thing cos it is easier to grab hold of ???
I can't wait to see this fight:cheer: :cheer:
Dr. Tangliss
09-08-2005, 11:40
I hope if a punch is thrown though, its better than the one that Zoe threw at Chrissie which missed her face, but still managed to split her lip......I want proper fisticuffs!! lol
Me too. I think the punches in EE are so fake, lol! Half the time they don't look realistic enough.
Whose going to win this one though, cause Sam has won previously and I would have thought Chrissie would have done her in no problem!!!
Dr. Tangliss
09-08-2005, 11:42
I think it will be Chrissie :)
aww i do to honey!!! hehe|!!!! This does look good though!
Sam always grabs chrissie's hair i think she is jealous, because when chrissie was trying to get sam on side, she went downstairs and sam was chucking glass everywhere well she grabbed chrissie's hair then too! (i don't have a good memory i watch the eppi the other night!!!)
EE needs a good fight! and god would you look at that its in the Vic and let me guess it will be full of people!!!Sam has nice hair too :)
I punch in a fight and I'm a female maybe I'm the only one I do everything including hairpulling :D
Dr. Tangliss
09-08-2005, 11:46
I punch in a fight and I'm a female maybe I'm the only one I do everything including hairpulling :D
Wow, I would not want to get in a fight with you.:eek:
I punch in a fight and I'm a female maybe I'm the only one I do everything including hairpulling :DCan we stay friendly pleeeeaaase!!!! :D
phils little sister
09-08-2005, 11:50
I punch in a fight and I'm a female maybe I'm the only one I do everything including hairpulling :D
No your not alone there WQ
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 11:50
I punch in a fight and I'm a female maybe I'm the only one I do everything including hairpulling :D
Yeaaaaaaaa !!! I think the only time I slugged any one was when this broad started feeling my hubbys behind i grabbed her arm and shoved her drunk butt down a small hill :rotfl:
Carrie Bradshaw
09-08-2005, 11:51
Looks like a good fight, but that is a bit of a cheap shot from Sam - grabbing her hair!! Can't wait for a week on friday!! :cheer:
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 12:01
Me too. I think the punches in EE are so fake, lol! Half the time they don't look realistic enough.
I want them to look like Rocky Balboa on a bad night ( remember how Rocky looked after his fight with APOLLO CREED in ROCKY ???) Hope they have some good make up artists for cuts bruises and bloody lips :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
That would be great - black eyes which are hardly open etc - definitely what's required!
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 12:08
That would be great - black eyes which are hardly open etc - definitely what's required!
oohhhhh yeaaaaaa and a floor full of hair that had been yanked out :clap: :cool:
kckinsmcg
09-08-2005, 12:42
:eek: As if they've got Sam wrestling her to the ground! Chrissie is a lot tougher than that, she could floor Sam. This is going to be excellent though, it's all building up very nicely.
Katie :)
I disagree. I think there is a time in anyone's life when you can just flip? Sam at this point could turn postal very easily. She has taken so much **** in the past from so many people. If she vents it all on Chrissie, she could absolutely knock her block off! Ever see the kids at school who get bullied and then one day they decide to fight back and the bully goes away? This may be Sam's turning point with her bully, especialy since she is fighting for her life and her freedom. Honestly, if someone threatened and bullied me as much as Chrissie has done to Sam, I would have "split her wig" WAY before now. There were a few times watching Sam and Chrissie slang each other and I thought to myself, split her lip, Sam! Of course we know it will not end there because Sam is going to jail, but maybe before the cuffs go on, she gets a good smack at Chrissie? I for one say...finally, stick up for yourself, Sam instead of crying like a baby! Andy was right, she is so ugly when she cries.
this sounds superb but saying that... if sam told sharon and dennis about den being dead then shed say hes under the vic...and then why would they all be shocked on the wedding day :hmm:
this sounds superb but saying that... if sam told sharon and dennis about den being dead then shed say hes under the vic...and then why would they all be shocked on the wedding day :hmm:Sam doesn't tell them :)
Eastenders_4ev@
09-08-2005, 17:25
cant wait 4 all dis bout den to come out, i dont care how it happerns as long as it does lol
JustJodi
09-08-2005, 17:33
Sam doesn't tell them :)
So who does :hmm: Can't be Kat ... could it be Zoe that makes a phone call to Dennis and tells him :hmm: ( ok thats far fetched LOL )
So who does :hmm: Can't be Kat ... could it be Zoe that makes a phone call to Dennis and tells him :hmm: ( ok thats far fetched LOL )I think Den is actually found I doubt any of the people who currently know are going to willingly pull the plug :)
They've got too much of a good thing going getting away with it so far :D
I agree.
It would be stupid if anyone told them anyway.
lisa cullumbine
10-08-2005, 08:42
yes i must agree i cant wait for it to come out get it over and done with it has dragged on a bit now really should be good though when it does !
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 11:21
I agree.
It would be stupid if anyone told them anyway.
Some one may have some guilty feelings,, and may wanna cleanse their soul ??? can only be Zoe,,cos right now Sam is hell bent covering her u know what and Chrissy hellbent to sell the Vic and vanish.. so leaves ol Zoe ?????? Ok Ok I know ...aint gonna happen.. but with these EE writers ya never know :rotfl: :searchme:
lisa cullumbine
11-08-2005, 11:32
Apparently Kat Gets Stacey To Be Zoes Alibi To Get Her Off The Hook
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 11:33
I have heard this.
Apparently Kat Gets Stacey To Be Zoes Alibi To Get Her Off The Hook
Where did you hear this?
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 11:38
Apparently Kat Gets Stacey To Be Zoes Alibi To Get Her Off The Hook
wonder how much it is gonna cost Kat to get Stacey to lie ?????:searchme:
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 11:40
wonder how much it is gonna cost Kat to get Stacey to lie ?????:searchme:
Lots I imagine
Who brings Zoe's name into it anyway, Kat warns Chrissie to keep Zoe's name out of it.
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 11:45
Who brings Zoe's name into it anyway, Kat warns Chrissie to keep Zoe's name out of it.
remember Dennis knows that Zoe was there too.. cos Sharon saw all 3 women at the bar just before Stinky Den was put out of his misery.. so Zoes name may be dropped by Sam ????
Sam could do, Chrissie backs her into a corner, so she would do whatever she could to avoid going to jail.
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 12:24
Sam could do, Chrissie backs her into a corner, so she would do whatever she could to avoid going to jail.
hmmm who else could it be ??? No one else knows who was in that bar that night.. i am surprised Sharon has "forgotten" who was there.. to refresh her limited memory EE writers have given her :searchme:
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 12:26
I think they claim that Den didn't die that night, he died the night he supposedly came back and saw Chrissie and Sam.
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 12:32
I think they claim that Den didn't die that night, he died the night he supposedly came back and saw Chrissie and Sam.
Ah what a tangled web we weave when we first learn to decieve !!!!!:ninja:
I think they claim that Den didn't die that night, he died the night he supposedly came back and saw Chrissie and Sam.
They do when Sharon reports Den as a missing person and Sam agrees to go along with Chrissie's story that Sam was the last person to see Den because Chrissie reassures her that it's to take the spotlight off the Vic.
Sam is then arrested for murder when Den's body is discovered.
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 13:16
Poor Sam!
Some one may have some guilty feelings,, and may wanna cleanse their soul ??? can only be Zoe,,cos right now Sam is hell bent covering her u know what and Chrissy hellbent to sell the Vic and vanish.. so leaves ol Zoe ?????? Ok Ok I know ...aint gonna happen.. but with these EE writers ya never know :rotfl: :searchme: I doubt Zoe is going to be re-integrated into the storyline I think it's just going to be a Chrissie & Sam thing!
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 15:23
I doubt Zoe is going to be re-integrated into the storyline I think it's just going to be a Chrissie & Sam thing!
Me too
I think that's really sly of Chrissie but she'll get her comeuppance when she has to go anyways we all know she's not going to be going around long term so something is going to happen to her. She may think that she can just frame Sam and continue living in Walford but she's going to be in for a tough ride. I hope innocent Sam gets released and Chrissie has to flee that way justice has been done although Chrissie is such a great character that I'd like her to just get sent dahhhhn and do the time!
BlackKat
11-08-2005, 15:36
I think Sam must get sent down - otherwise she'd just come back to the Square, confident that justice has been seen etc. What I don't get is, if Sam gets sent down, why does Chrissie need to run?
I doubt Zoe is going to be re-integrated into the storyline I think it's just going to be a Chrissie & Sam thing!
I read in Soaplife that it was just going to be between Chrissie and Sam but the rumour of Stacey giving Zoe an alibi for Kat could be true.
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 15:42
I have heard this. Tang where is your banner ?????
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 15:43
I think Sam must get sent down - otherwise she'd just come back to the Square, confident that justice has been seen etc. What I don't get is, if Sam gets sent down, why does Chrissie need to run?
ask the almighty ee writers that :lol:
I think Sam must get sent down - otherwise she'd just come back to the Square, confident that justice has been seen etc. What I don't get is, if Sam gets sent down, why does Chrissie need to run?
Sam does go down for Den's murder, but it's only a matter of time before the truth is found out so Chrissie has to run.
I think Sam must get sent down - otherwise she'd just come back to the Square, confident that justice has been seen etc. What I don't get is, if Sam gets sent down, why does Chrissie need to run?She may want to go and start a new life somewhere and who could blame her?
Sam does go down for Den's murder, but it's only a matter of time before the truth is found out so Chrissie has to run.
Source? Or is this just a theory?
lisa cullumbine
11-08-2005, 15:49
chrissie needs to run because she has done sam out of the pub totally and when the mitchells come back look out
Chrissie will have to scarper because Peggy is going to kill her! :cheer:
Source? Or is this just a theory?
It's a theory based on the spoilers, It's bound to happen one day, what with the forgery, the mitchells return, and if it's true that Stacey gives Zoe an alibi for Kat, Kat could well go to the police.
It's also a bit fishy that Den's body is found in the Vic, Sam goes down for it, and then Chrissie takes off. Surely someone will smell a rat.
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 15:58
Chrissie will have to scarper because Peggy is going to kill her! :cheer:
Cant wait this is gonna be super !!!!!!:thumbsup:
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 16:00
Tang where is your banner ?????
What, has it gone?
lisa cullumbine
11-08-2005, 16:01
well yeah she starts off with pushing chrissie :lol: in dens grave nice
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 16:04
well yeah she starts off with pushing in dens grave nice
Great stuff:cheer:
JustJodi
11-08-2005, 16:15
What, has it gone?
Was gone for a bit..now its baaaaaaaackkkkkkkkkkkkk:cheer:
Dr. Tangliss
11-08-2005, 16:17
Thanks goodness! You had me worried
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