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squarelady
26-06-2005, 20:02
*nods at littlemo* I agree. She's not blameless but she isn't the only one at fault.
littlemo
26-06-2005, 20:10
Zoe isn't at risk of going to prison for as long as Chrissie though and that's even if the police find Zoe.
How long do you think Chrissie will get? I don't know whether they would believe it was self defence now, and even if they did she would still go down for covering up the evidence. If she hadn't she may well have got off with it. I know there bringing in a new law now which states that women who kill due to domestic violence can get no prison sentence at all. Any ideas what Chrissie's sentence would be?
depends on what the decide to charge her for, Murder or manslaughter. Conspiricy to conceal a body would be what Zoe and Sam would get charged with possibly??
squarelady
26-06-2005, 20:14
Zoe - Attempted Murder and Accomplice
Sam - Accomplice
littlemo
26-06-2005, 20:17
The mess would never have started if Dennis didn't want to go off with his sister :D
No it wasn't Dennis's fault, you can't help who you fall in love with can you?! And it wasn't just one sided, Sharon loved Dennis just as much as he loved her. The way Den saw it, Dennis was taking advantage, he seemed to see her as some naive school kid. It was Den's obsession with Sharon that caused this mess! Please don't blame Dennis, it upsets me! lol.
No it wasn't Dennis's fault, you can't help who you fall in love with can you?! And it wasn't just one sided, Sharon loved Dennis just as much as he loved her. The way Den saw it, Dennis was taking advantage, he seemed to see her as some naive school kid. It was Den's obsession with Sharon that caused this mess! Please don't blame Dennis, it upsets me! lol.
If I had been Dennis I wouldn't have embarked on an affair with my sister.
littlemo
26-06-2005, 20:26
If I had been Dennis I wouldn't have embarked on an affair with my sister.
Yes but Sharon isn't his real sister.
squarelady
26-06-2005, 20:28
If I had been Dennis I wouldn't have embarked on an affair with my sister.
Why don't you fancy Sharon? :lol:
this is confusing my little head! can i just say for a start though that, 1) sharon is NOT dennis' sister 2) we cant choose who we fall in love with 3) it upsets me alot when people say horrible things about sharon and dennis so leave them alone :P lol
Yea I agree with that WQ.
Chrissie will get her comuppance from Kat though
I don't think she will. What’s the worst that Kat can do to Chrissie? I can see her throwing her catty remarks, maybe having a b***h fight. A few cold words and threats but that’s about it really. She can't dob Chrissie without implicating her daughter. She may as well offer Zoe jail sentence herself. Kat may be a hard nut but Chrissie is more calculating and wiser in her ways. Kat may weaken Chrissie, but I don't see Chrissie's comeuppance being at the hands of Kat.
Queen Vic, I'm not excusing what Chrissie did. I still think it was wrong for what she did. Zoe would naturally be mad but it’s not as black and white as some people like to think. Chrissie had her reasons and how ever wrong they were, I don't see her as evil. Evil would be someone like Janine but not Chrissie. She has her conscience and although it doesn't look like it on the surface, she is paying for it in her own way.
littlemo
26-06-2005, 22:12
this is confusing my little head! can i just say for a start though that, 1) sharon is NOT dennis' sister 2) we cant choose who we fall in love with 3) it upsets me alot when people say horrible things about sharon and dennis so leave them alone :P lol
Very well said!
Den was the cause of all this grief! Sharon and Dennis had nothing to do with his murder. And they have a brilliant relationship, there is nothing incestuous about it! They will make a great husband and wife team!
The affair between Sharon and Dennis is not responsible for Den's death.
If Den hadn't have slept with Zoe it would have been some other poor cow. This would have given the excuse Chrissie needed to destroy him.
Sharon and Dennis fell in love against the odds. Chrissie, Sam and Zoe took it into their own hands to destroy him after being manipulated by him. This was the result.
No one in the situation is blameless at all. I think everyone bears some responsibility but to be fair to Sharon and Dennis, they were not around when this happened and it was Den's obsession with Sharon that was the driving force behind the whole thing (which Sharon had no control over)
Angeldelight
26-06-2005, 22:14
i can't wait for this... you could tell on the night and in her behaviour since that Chrissie DIDN'T intenionally kill Den but come off it... she doesn't want people to find out and end up going to prison... she's trying to scare Kat to get her off her back... Kat's not been the same character since all the stuff with Andy... then her going off the rails... i think it's time someone gave Kat a sharp slap... and give us the real Kat back...
I don't think she will. What’s the worst that Kat can do to Chrissie? I can see her throwing her catty remarks, maybe having a b***h fight. A few cold words and threats but that’s about it really. She can't dob Chrissie without implicating her daughter. She may as well offer Zoe jail sentence herself. Kat may be a hard nut but Chrissie is more calculating and wiser in her ways. Kat may weaken Chrissie, but I don't see Chrissie's comeuppance being at the hands of Kat.
I dont think there is going to be a major fight or anything and I think that Kats going to do more than throw a few remarks about. I think that Kat may try to put Chrissie thorough some of what Zoe went through.
Kats only just found out the whole truth and said goodbye to Zoe. Next week will be when it all starts. Guess we will have to wait and see!!
littlemo
26-06-2005, 22:17
The affair between Sharon and Dennis is not responsible for Den's death.
If Den hadn't have slept with Zoe it would have been some other poor cow. This would have given the excuse Chrissie needed to destroy him.
Sharon and Dennis fell in love against the odds. Chrissie, Sam and Zoe took it into their own hands to destroy him after being manipulated by him. This was the result.
No one in the situation is blameless at all. I think everyone bears some responsibility but to be fair to Sharon and Dennis, they were not around when this happened and it was Den's obsession with Sharon that was the driving force behind the whole thing (which Sharon had no control over)
Exactly! Den sealed his own fate! He had serious emotional problems, which prevented him from attaching to his son, and building a proper relationship with anybody. Even his love for Sharon wasn't completely selfless. If anyone is responsible for Den's death it's him!
squarelady
26-06-2005, 22:21
Very well said!
Den was the cause of all this grief! Sharon and Dennis had nothing to do with his murder. And they have a brilliant relationship, there is nothing incestuous about it! They will make a great husband and wife team!
Dennis and Sharon were (don't get me wrong I'm a fan) but just as selfish in this situation as everyone else was.
And as for Chrissie, she doesn't need a comeuppance. She's suffering enough. It's a bit late now for Kat to walk back in and play Zoe's hero isn't it?
I dont think there is going to be a major fight or anything and I think that Kats going to do more than throw a few remarks about. I think that Kat may try to put Chrissie thorough some of what Zoe went through. Kats only just found out the whole truth and said goodbye to Zoe. Next week will be when it all starts. Guess we will have to wait and see!!
But how exactly will she do that?
I mean don't get me wrong, I can’t see Kat letting it go. I actually think she will give Chrissie hell and make her sweat but Chrissie holds the cards here because Zoe was involved. What ever Kats feelings are towards Chrissie she can’t risk the police finding out because of Zoe’s involvement. Kat will torment Chrissie for as long as possible though and it will make for some great TV. Kat will not take this one lying down that’s for sure, but I do think Chrissie is more than a match for her. However with Kat and the added pressure of Sharon and Dennis being around I do think cracks will begin to show in her character, in more ways than one, lol. I think this will be when we get to see more vulnerability in her character.
However I do think the ultimate battle will be between her and Sharon. I get the feeling that if anyone is going to give Chrissie's comeuppance it will be Sharon. I guess we'll have to see. I await in interest.
squarelady
26-06-2005, 22:27
I agree Alisha...the problem comes when Jake goes because at the moment Jake is the only support that Chrissie has and she opens up to just before he leaves. How is she going to feel realising everyone has left her and she's really being broken down and is Chrissie the reason he comes back?
Dennis and Sharon were (don't get me wrong I'm a fan) but just as selfish in this situation as everyone else was.
Sharon and Dennis were selfish when it came to thier feelings but it does not balance out to selfishness of Den, Chrissie and Zoe.
I dont think Kat's going to make Chrissie pay as such. Chrissie is paying for it every day. I think Kats going to make Chrissie suffer the way Zoe did, but saying that I dont think Kat can make her suffer any for than she is at the moment anyway. I think next weeks going to be intresting.
Yep your right Alisha the ultimate battle will be between Chrissie and Sharon when the whole mess comes to light, which ultimately it will do.
squarelady
26-06-2005, 22:33
Sharon and Dennis were selfish when it came to thier feelings but it does not balance out to selfishness of Den, Chrissie and Zoe.
I'm not talking about a balance because no one will ever match Den Watts on the selfishness scales but you can't help seeing that they were extremely selfish. No one in that situation gave a monkeys about anybody elses feelings and selfishness is what's got everybody into the mess they are in now.
I'm not talking about a balance because no one will ever match Den Watts on the selfishness scales but you can't help seeing that they were extremely selfish. No one in that situation gave a monkeys about anybody elses feelings and selfishness is what's got everybody into the mess they are in now.
I wouldn't say 'extremely'. Yes, selfishness did play an element in this but what they had was consume by love but I agree that they went the wrong way about it. The only reason they stalled was because of Sharon’s fear about Den destroying Dennis again. That was understandable given what happened last time. As for Zoe, I'm not going to make excuses for S&D on that part. I really do think they should have handled it better but it was never a case of not giving monkeys. Unlike Zoe and Den, Sharon and Dennis were not planning a life time deception. They were going to come clean. I think the not giving a monkeys applies more to Den and Zoe than S&D because they drove Sharon away by using her infertility against her and then planned to lie to Dennis about the babies parentage for the rest of thier lives. I guess what I'm trying to say is, although everyone acted selfishly, I do believe that Sharon and Dennis bears the least responsibility to the current situation and I in no way hold them accountable for his death. Although Den does not deserve to be dead, he is the author of his own death. It was Dens obsession with Sharon that drove him to such extremes and this is why Chrissie got him back.
As for Chrissie as much as a like her, it was her selfish streak that got Sharon to England making out that Den was at deaths door but she wanted Den to 'lose his baby' and let her go so she can go back to his wife. Sharon and Dennis's action may have annoyed Den and Zoe but not her. Her reasons for getting Sharon back was her way of keeping her husband. In some way she is no better than Zoe –doing anything to hang on to her man.
squarelady
26-06-2005, 23:40
I agree Alisha but they all did what they did for love, of husband, family, boyfriend, girlfriend or daughter. They were all selfish and could of all gone about it better.
Chrissie wanted Den, she didn't care if Sharon got hurt.
Dennis wanted Sharon, he didn't care about Zoe or Den.
Zoe wanted Dennis, she didn't care about Sharon or Chrissie.
Sharon wanted Dennis, she didn't care about Zoe.
Sam just wanted her pub back and to prove she wasn't a failure to her family, she didn't care about Den.
Den wanted Sharon with him regardless of anyone!
Regardless of to what extenet they were selfish they all were. No one went the right way about anything, then again it's Walford. A debate over breakfast just isn't possible!
Regardless of to what extenet they were selfish they all were. No one went the right way about anything, then again it's Walford. A debate over breakfast just isn't possible!
This I won't dispute but the lengths, motivation, intentions and the degree of selfishness is debatable.
Sharon and Dennis' love was a mutual one, the rest wasn't - not even Den and Sharon because his love was obsessive whereas Sharons wasn't.
Yes but Sharon isn't his real sister.
Actually she legally is.
Actually she legally is.
She isn't. There is no legal tie binding them together at all. In the eyes of the law they can marry because not only do they share no blood connection but they were not raised together under 18 so prohibited laws do not apply. The hold NO connection to EACHOTHER but they do to Den. :)
ElectricToes
26-06-2005, 23:57
I don't think she'd ever do it...just empty threats...
ElectricToes
27-06-2005, 00:00
Actually she legally is.
Nope. She's not.
They were never raised together and because Sharon's over 18 the legality doesn't come into it. If they hadn't been raised together most of their lives and Dennis had appeared in her life when Sharon was 17 or younger she'd be his legal sister, but she was 33...so no relation, legal or otherwise...
Well theatrically they are related because Sharon is Den's daughter and Dennis is Den's son. Sharon is adopted so she is seen as Den's daughter now.
As for Janine she wasn't evil - she didn't kill anyone she just went round mouthing off.
ElectricToes
27-06-2005, 00:23
Theoretically they're brother and sister, but not legally :)
Theoretically they're brother and sister, but not legally :)
I suppose. I never understood why Louise Berridge thought of putting them together in the first place though. Doubt if Shannis would have ever existed had John Yorke stayed with EastEnders.
squarelady
27-06-2005, 07:36
This I won't dispute but the lengths, motivation, intentions and the degree of selfishness is debatable.
Sharon and Dennis' love was a mutual one, the rest wasn't - not even Den and Sharon because his love was obsessive whereas Sharons wasn't.
I don't think it's important whether the love was mutual or not. It was still love and you can't fault someone for loving someone.
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to agree with WQ about the legality of things. Regardless of whether you are a consenting adult of over 18 or not Incest is still against the law. However, Sharon was adopted when she was about four years old not straight away when she born so I doubt she's even got Den as her father on her birth certificate so it won't matter. The only problem they may have is with adoption papers, those are the ones that probably won't matter now she's over 18. But like I said if she is legally down as Den's daughter then it is against the law regardless of her age. I'm sure they'll find a way round that though!
Well theatrically they are related because Sharon is Den's daughter and Dennis is Den's son. Sharon is adopted so she is seen as Den's daughter now.
Hi, they are not related, neither are they legally brother and sister. They are related to Den but not each other. This is how it all differentiates. :) Marriage would not be a problem at all because they were raised in different households by different people up until the age of 18.
Squarelady, I’m not faulting someone where love is not reciprocated but Sharon and Dennis knew that they had a mutual love. This is why they made some selfish choices- because they knew they had a future together so it was never a case of wanting what you can’t have. They were fighting fo something real. Chrissie, Den and Zoe –it was all one sided and knew deep down that their partners did not feel the same way so what they did was more selfish and arguably desperate too.
squarelady
27-06-2005, 08:09
Yes, it is selfish and desperate but mutual or not love is love and you will do anything for someone you love. They've all proved that whether they were fighting for somethng real or not. I'm not saying the way they behaved is therefore acceptable but they were fighting for something they thought was real. I don't think you can fault someone for loving someone too much however many problems it may have caused.
Either way I stand by my original point. If they had all been a little less selfish there would of been a lot less problems.
And if Sharon's dad on her birth certificate is Den they cannot get married unless that is changed.
no1abbafan
27-06-2005, 12:46
Well I for one would be happy if Chrissie killed Kat - cant stand the character, what's she going to do now she is back, who cares that's she's back.
Dennis did use Zoe to make Sharon jealous at first. I do think Dennis cared for Zoe but while all this was going on he knew he loved Sharon - therefore that's why he was selfish.
The affair between Sharon and Dennis is not responsible for Den's death.
If Den hadn't have slept with Zoe it would have been some other poor cow. This would have given the excuse Chrissie needed to destroy him.
Sharon and Dennis fell in love against the odds. Chrissie, Sam and Zoe took it into their own hands to destroy him after being manipulated by him. This was the result.
No one in the situation is blameless at all. I think everyone bears some responsibility but to be fair to Sharon and Dennis, they were not around when this happened and it was Den's obsession with Sharon that was the driving force behind the whole thing (which Sharon had no control over)
Exactly Alisha! thanks for agreeing with me and littlemo. den was obsessed with sharon and that wasnt her fault, she cant control him, well couldnt. i agree everybody had some sort of role in dens death, they are all to blame in some ways but at the end of the day den brought this all on himself, it was his own fault for being obsessed, manipulative and controlling and having an affair with a 21year old!
So it maybe illegal for Dennis and Sharon (sorry refuse to call then Shannis) to get married, in some cases and new birth certificate is produced for people who are adopted?? it would depend on what year Sharon was adopted, in some cases the original birth certificate was destroyed.
I think they can still get married but in theory they are related. Not blood related and the adoption makes all the difference but they should be living as brother and sister in the situation.
I think they can still get married but in theory they are related. Not blood related and the adoption makes all the difference but they should be living as brother and sister in the situation.
This is what they tried to be brother and sister but it did not work. Their feelings were too strong. Eventually in April they split up because Dennis wanted to do the right thing. He wanted a relationship with Den -however Den kept fobbing him off and never gave him the father son relationship that he promised.
Sharon and Dennis met as two adults in their thirties and the attraction was apparent from day one. They were lying to themselves for a while before it actually happened and you're right, Dennis was selfish when it came to Zoe. However when he first went out with her it wasn't to get Sharon jealous but because he didn't want to be alone. Zoe was offering to fill that void for him, knowing full well that he just split from his ex.. He fobbed of Zoe loads but she kept coming back for more even when Dennis told her that he wasn’t a commitment man and that she would see him with other women, she took it upon herself to take that risk. She didn't complain back then and now she's had to learn the hard way.
The relationship was boring I'm afraid mainly due to the then Executive Producer Louise Berridge thinking everybody loved them. I hated it. I wouldn't have minded had it been over and done with soon, I love them now. They work so much better as a couple without all the Shannis nonsense. Sharon is a strong women again and they're a normal happy couple. Much better than the pair of them moping round the Square.
The relationship was boring I'm afraid mainly due to the then Executive Producer Louise Berridge thinking everybody loved them. I hated it. I wouldn't have minded had it been over and done with soon, I love them now. They work so much better as a couple without all the Shannis nonsense. Sharon is a strong women again and they're a normal happy couple. Much better than the pair of them moping round the Square.
Fair enough, you're not the only one :)
Personally I loved it (but not all of it). Everything between September 2003-April 2004 was spot on but it turned tripe when they turned Sharon and Dennis vs Den into a predicable yawnfest Sharon/Dennis/Zoe love triangle. This was where they performed personality transplants (particularly on Sharon) so it could match the plot. We had Dennis on yo-yo between them for 8 months. The original excellence was driven from the family’s opposition but this was pushed to the sidelines. The family was no longer an overriding factor in their relationship but instead a 21 year girl which gave no credibility to the storyline what’s so ever. I'm so pleased that’s gone and dusted. However I do think it was a wasted opportunity last year. Now things are certainly better. Just goes to show what some effective characterisation can do eh?
I liked it when Den opposed the relationship but with him out of the way it was like they brought in Zoe to manipulate the situation further and stop them being together. Why? I don't know. Yes the entertaining aspect was the fact it was forbidden love but because of Den and not because of Zoe. It dragged on for far too long and almost got the programme axed (well by the quality of it, it must have came close). They are much better as they are now although they've returned to the Square definately to let Den know they are an item, why they couldn't have just got together in the first place and defied him is beyond me.
why they couldn't have just got together in the first place and defied him is beyond me.
You're spot on. This is exactly what I thought and this is what I meant when I said 'wasted opportunity'. It would have made far more plausible television to watch them stand up to Den but no- ee had to ram a childish love triangle down our throats. Typical :rolleyes:
Seems strange that they're strong enough to say enough's enough to Den now. A bit too late as well, it could have been interesting.
I agree. It was a lack of character consistancy from the writters.
Last year really was so bad to how it is now. It seems like everything is tighter behind the scenes and the producers are demanding results from the writers. On top of that they're trying to use the characters in more serious ways again and not the teen bunch.
melanielovesdennisrickman
27-06-2005, 17:40
Hiya!!!!!
EastEndeRs Has DefiNiteLy Improved Since Last Year!!!!!
Last Week For Example Was Absolutely Great!!!!!
Dennis Seems Different Now,I Mean I Have Always Been A Huge Shannis Fan,But I Like The Way Dennis Has Changed,And Also There Are A Lot Of Great And Strong New Characters,Such As,Chrissie Watts,Jake And Danny Moon,Johnny Allen,Stacey Slater,Ruby Allen!!!!!
Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:
Angeldelight
27-06-2005, 19:09
So it maybe illegal for Dennis and Sharon (sorry refuse to call then Shannis) to get married, in some cases and new birth certificate is produced for people who are adopted?? it would depend on what year Sharon was adopted, in some cases the original birth certificate was destroyed.
BUT Dennis's birth certifcate won't have Den on it as his father... so they could get married...
Not apposed to them getting married, but would be intrested to know the leagal ins and outs of it!!!
I'm contacting a solicitor jude to find this out.
They can get married as there is no prrof of Den being Dennis's father
I'm contacting a solicitor jude to find this out.
Cool!! Let us know when you find out!!
squarelady
27-06-2005, 21:01
They can get married as there is no prrof of Den being Dennis's father
He's on the birth certificate.
Adopted children may not marry their adoptive parents but they are allowed to marry the rest of their adoptive family, including their adoptive brother or sister
From a Citzens advise website
From a Citzens advise website
Still dirty pervos though :D
littlemo
27-06-2005, 21:21
I think they can still get married but in theory they are related. Not blood related and the adoption makes all the difference but they should be living as brother and sister in the situation.
Dennis and Sharon make a lovely couple. They are not blood related, and it is perfectly legal for them to get married. Den may be on Sharon's birth certificate, but there's no way Den would be on Dennis's. It has been pointed out to us that Den had no idea about Paula (Dennis's mum) even being pregnant with Dennis. And as we all know a father can't be printed on a birth certificate unless the mother is married to them, or if he is there to sign it himself. So there's nothing legally wrong or morally wrong.
Dennis and Sharon make a lovely couple. They are not blood related, and it is perfectly legal for them to get married. Den may be on Sharon's birth certificate, but there's no way Den would be on Dennis's. It has been pointed out to us that Den had no idea about Paula (Dennis's mum) even being pregnant with Dennis. And as we all know a father can't be printed on a birth certificate unless the mother is married to them, or if he is there to sign it himself. So there's nothing legally wrong or morally wrong.
In theory their normal situation would be siblings though if that's what they could live as.
littlemo
27-06-2005, 22:42
In theory their normal situation would be siblings though if that's what they could live as.
Yes, Den certainly wanted it that way, as did Vicky, but Dennis and Sharon always had sexual chemistry between them. And let's face it, there could never be a 'normal' situation in the Watts family! I think people have strict definitions on what they class as 'normal', I personally don't think there is anything wrong with their relationship, they aren't blood, they've only known each other 2 years. It's quite a complicated situation but it's not impossible to work out. And even Vicky accepted their relationship in the end. So why couldn't Den?! Because he was selfish and obsessive!
They tried to live as brother and sister but failed, I think it's much better the way it is! You can only live with a secret for so long before it eats away at you. Now Sharon and Dennis have got the best of both worlds, they are in a loving romantic relationship and they also have an element of brotherly sisterly love for each other too. They are always going to be linked to each other. And neither of them have had that in any of their previous relationships. It makes it extra special!
Yes, Den certainly wanted it that way, as did Vicky, but Dennis and Sharon always had sexual chemistry between them. And let's face it, there could never be a 'normal' situation in the Watts family! I think people have strict definitions on what they class as 'normal', I personally don't think there is anything wrong with their relationship, they aren't blood, they've only known each other 2 years. It's quite a complicated situation but it's not impossible to work out. And even Vicky accepted their relationship in the end. So why couldn't Den?! Because he was selfish and obsessive!
They tried to live as brother and sister but failed, I think it's much better the way it is! You can only live with a secret for so long before it eats away at you. Now Sharon and Dennis have got the best of both worlds, they are in a loving romantic relationship and they also have an element of brotherly sisterly love for each other too. They are always going to be linked to each other. And neither of them have had that in any of their previous relationships. It makes it extra special!
Was still boring :) Till they came back this time.
To me Sharon and Dennis were not boring because they were and still are more complex than every couple in the square and its their individual personas that make them differ from the rest. I found the love triangle off and this was when it became repetitive, which is why there was such negativity on 'shannis' because they were going around in circles but not exactly getting any where. That made lame viewing but everything up to April 2004 was up to scratch.
JustJodi
27-06-2005, 23:49
Yes, Den certainly wanted it that way, as did Vicky, but Dennis and Sharon always had sexual chemistry between them. And let's face it, there could never be a 'normal' situation in the Watts family! I think people have strict definitions on what they class as 'normal', I personally don't think there is anything wrong with their relationship, they aren't blood, they've only known each other 2 years. It's quite a complicated situation but it's not impossible to work out. And even Vicky accepted their relationship in the end. So why couldn't Den?! Because he was selfish and obsessive!
They tried to live as brother and sister but failed, I think it's much better the way it is! You can only live with a secret for so long before it eats away at you. Now Sharon and Dennis have got the best of both worlds, they are in a loving romantic relationship and they also have an element of brotherly sisterly love for each other too. They are always going to be linked to each other. And neither of them have had that in any of their previous relationships. It makes it extra special!
:hmm: wait a min .. I thought Den and Angie adopted SHARON, so she really wasn't his daughter was she ??? I need to get this straight:confused: :confused: :confused:
littlemo
27-06-2005, 23:55
:hmm: wait a min .. I thought Den and Angie adopted SHARON, so she really wasn't his daughter was she ??? I need to get this straight:confused: :confused: :confused:
Yes Sharon was adopted by Den, but he would be on her birth certificate, she has been brought up by him since she was 3.
JustJodi
28-06-2005, 00:05
Yes Sharon was adopted by Den, but he would be on her birth certificate, she has been brought up by him since she was 3.
Thanks so much :)
squarelady
28-06-2005, 00:10
From a Citzens advise website
There goes my hope of a Den and Sharon wedding right out the window! :lol: <--- I'm joking!
There goes my hope of a Den and Sharon wedding right out the window! :lol: <--- I'm joking!
My god it's bad enough her marrying Dennis without pervo coming back.
littlemo
28-06-2005, 00:13
My god it's bad enough her marrying Dennis without pervo coming back.
Why don't you want Sharon marrying Dennis?
There goes my hope of a Den and Sharon wedding right out the window! :lol: <--- I'm joking!
:rotfl: lol thats a shame i was hoping they would get married too. NOT!
I don't want her to marry Dennis because the storyline bored me for so long last year but I must admit I'm enjoying them now.
It would get complicated if they had a child and introduced it to Vickie - um sister on both sides.
phils little sister
28-06-2005, 11:26
The storyline is still boring
The storyline is still boring
They're better characters now.
Carrie Bradshaw
28-06-2005, 13:32
We can see them in more normal situations that we can relate to better than the constant sneaking around.
We can see them in more normal situations that we can relate to better than the constant sneaking around.
Yes that's what I like about them now.
The storyline is still boring
it is at the moment but the proposal, marraige and ivf should add a bit of spice to the already brilliant shannis!!!
bondboffin
melanielovesdennisrickman
28-06-2005, 17:30
it is at the moment but the proposal, marraige and ivf should add a bit of spice to the already brilliant shannis!!!
bondboffin
Hiya!!!!!
I Absolutely Loveeeeeeee Shannis,And I Absolutely Can Not Wait Untill The Proposal,Marraige,And IVF Storylines!!!!!
They Will All Be Absoltuely Great,Just Like Fantastic Shannis!!!!!
It Is A Shame That The Day Of Dennis And Sharon´s Wedding Will Not Be A Very Happy Day Though,As Everybody Seems To Be Saying That Den´s Body Will Be Dug Up,Or Something On Their Wedding Day!!!!!
Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:
Hiya!!!!!
I Absolutely Loveeeeeeee Shannis,And I Absolutely Can Not Wait Untill The Proposal,Marraige,And IVF Storylines!!!!!
They Will All Be Absoltuely Great,Just Like Fantastic Shannis!!!!!
It Is A Shame That The Day Of Dennis And Sharon´s Wedding Will Not Be A Very Happy Day Though,As Everybody Seems To Be Saying That Den´s Body Will Be Dug Up,Or Something On Their Wedding Day!!!!!
Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:
yeah it was in the sun yesteray and i believe it because people have said this may hapopen for a long time...
it will be a good storyline, i didnt want it to go on for much longer as it would have ruined sam and chrissie constantly worrying and stressing etc
its a shame that it happens on their wedding day but it just shows shannis is cursed, nothing goes right for them, which makes them such a brillaint couple if they can take what life throws them and become stronger from it
bondboffin
They used to be painful before they both took breaks but they're much better now :D I hated the whole forbidden love thing in the end. Den sort of re-became involved but we still had Zonnis.
They used to be painful before they both took breaks but they're much better now :D I hated the whole forbidden love thing in the end. Den sort of re-became involved but we still had Zonnis.
The forbidden love got sidelined in April of last year then it was full blown shannis vs Zonnis for 8 long months. I beleive that, more than anything, really took its toll on the viewers.
Towards the end Den became involved at christmas etc but Zonnis was already too involved and the storyline was a borefest. They're much better now though :D
for me, zonnis completely ruined that storyline! the whole zoe/dennis/sharon love triangle was so pathetic. it got really boring then and i blame zoe! not just because im shannis fan but she was just so stupid, and it made sharon look really desperate. they are much better now, like someone else said, they are in normal situations so we can adapt to them better. everyone else in the square doesnt seem to have a problem with them now though(apart from kat) thats a bit strange.....
Really? I blame the writers and production team at EastEnders.
squarelady
29-06-2005, 23:44
No one in Walford had a problem with it because not everyone in Walford could see what was going on behind the scenes with Dennis and Sharon.
I hated it until they've come back this month.
Zoe is an innocent victim :D
squarelady
29-06-2005, 23:47
Zoe is an innocent victim :D
Are you trying to provoke me! :lol: No she isn't!
Are you trying to provoke me! :lol: No she isn't!
Nah Shazza summed up in the Slater mansions kitchen.
"We're none of us innocent here and you certainly aint"
That's fair do you agree?
littlemo
29-06-2005, 23:57
Are you trying to provoke me! :lol: No she isn't!
No Zoe is not a victim, she slept with Den voluntarily. Den certainly was the driving force in the situation, but Zoe didn't have to go through with his plan. I think the love she had for Dennis clouded her judgement, but that's no excuse for the way she behaved. Although I do feel a bit sorry for Zoe and glad that Dennis left it on good terms with her. It was a lot more Den's fault than it was hers, and I know that Dennis realised that.
Jessie Wallace
30-06-2005, 00:02
Den was a pervert :D
Here here, he was a dirty old man
squarelady
30-06-2005, 00:03
Den was a pervert :D
That doesn't excuse Zoe for what she did. After Chrissie had been so good to her, to just betray her and Dennis.
That doesn't excuse Zoe for what she did. After Chrissie had been so good to her, to just betray her and Dennis.
Dennis had hardly been good to her though has he? Yes he'd agreed to stand by her and her phantom baby but he'd strung her along for ages and then cheated on her.
Jessie Wallace
30-06-2005, 00:06
No Zoe is not a victim, she slept with Den voluntarily. Den certainly was the driving force in the situation, but Zoe didn't have to go through with his plan. I think the love she had for Dennis clouded her judgement, but that's no excuse for the way she behaved. Although I do feel a bit sorry for Zoe and glad that Dennis left it on good terms with her. It was a lot more Den's fault than it was hers, and I know that Dennis realised that.
He just took advantage of a vunerable woman, and thats not on under any circumstance.
Zoe was naive. She believed Den's plan could work and let her be happy.
Zoe innocent? Pull the other one. The other ones got bells on it :lol: :rotfl:
She made her bed and her choices were far from innocent
Dennis wasn't innocent either, neither was Sharon’s but I don't think a 2 week affair balances out to a life time deception that she and Den were planning. They were planning to come clean very soon, can the same be said for her?
No one is blameless but Zoe is not the victim throughout the whole mess- maybe to Chrissies manipulation but not the rest. When she dated Dennis she knew his reputation and he warned her several times that he would hurt her and told her to her face that he didn't love her.
I can’t justify what she did just because of Dennis’ actions. People get cheated on everyday -that doesn't mean they jump into bed with their boyfriend’s dad and deliberately impregnate themselves with his baby. It was a selfish, heartless and desperate choice and something I would expect from a 15 year old, not someone soon to be 21.
Zoe had no care in the world that he was married. Chrissie even bought her a children’s book and told her about wanting children herself. She was the only friend to her after Sharon left at Christmas.
You're right QV when Sharon said 'none of us are innocent here and you certainly aint'.
This certainly applied...
squarelady
30-06-2005, 07:39
Dennis had hardly been good to her though has he? Yes he'd agreed to stand by her and her phantom baby but he'd strung her along for ages and then cheated on her.
He never strung her along, he made it very clear to her that he loved Sharon right from the start. Zoe admitted that to him before she left!
He never strung her along, he made it very clear to her that he loved Sharon right from the start. Zoe admitted that to him before she left!
Yes but he made Zoe believe that he wasn't going to leave her for Sharon. If he truly did want to be with Sharon more than her he should have told her in the first place and nipped it in the bud before Zoe became so hooked on him that she had to keep him.
JustJodi
30-06-2005, 11:50
Yes but he made Zoe believe that he wasn't going to leave her for Sharon. If he truly did want to be with Sharon more than her he should have told her in the first place and nipped it in the bud before Zoe became so hooked on him that she had to keep him.
I think Dennis was very much a HORNDOG.. and I remember the same as walford queen said..if he was SOO MUCH IN LOVE WITH SHARON he would have kept her at arms length, so she was under the assumption.. so fell head over heels in love with him,, so really he did STRING HER ALONG,,,:wall:
The thing I don't get is he was in love with Sharon and she was fighting for him. Where's the catch? It proves he was using Zoe and stringing her along.
JustJodi
30-06-2005, 12:56
The thing I don't get is he was in love with Sharon and she was fighting for him. Where's the catch? It proves he was using Zoe and stringing her along.
exactly what i meant !!!! Dennis is still his Fathers son,, a horndog..:rotfl:
LOL :D Nasty individual :D
ive realiseed this thread which is meant to be for the brillain chrissie watts and kat moon has turned into one about zoe slater!!!
she knicks dennis off sharon, the albert square sign and now a forum about eastender's finest characters!!!
bondboffin
How can she nick somebody off someone? It's impossible especially when it's a grown adult with Dennis's strength, she hardly picked him up and put him in her pocket when Shazza wasn't looking now did she?
As for the sign it wasn't her that stole it but she did take it with her but I'm sure it's been replaced.
squarelady
30-06-2005, 17:11
They probably didn't steal it. Gus works for he council anyway!
What Dennis did was wrong but it doesn't make him a nasty individual. Unlike his father, Dennis has a conscience and this was shown when he was with Zoe, although it doesn’t excuse is behaviour. I don't believe he was stringing her along (all the time), at least not intentionally.
Dennis never made any promises to her in the first 5 months of their relationship. However the whole way through their relationship she knew deep down where his heart stayed but it didn’t stop her from perusing him. He did show her many signs throughout the 8 month duration that insinuated he didn’t feel much for her, although arguably some of his words did make out that he did want to be with her. Basically he blowed hot and cold a lot of the time – but it was not one sided, that’s why I don’t consider it ‘stringing her along’. Dennis is guilty of a few things when it came to Zoe but the same can be said for her too. She is guilty of being so plain, how shall I put it- thick. May sound harsh but true. Dennis wasn’t the first either. She was like this with Jamie and Anthony too –thinking life was out of some girlie magazine, living in hope that she could be the one to make them change and for them to fall in love with her.
It was only after he returned from his 5 week break (in November) that he said that he wanted to be with her, because that’s what he genuinely believed (however he too is guilty of knowing where his heart belonged). I must say though how desperate is Zoe to take her knickers down to a bloke who dumped her unknowingly, made no contact in 5 weeks and then turns up with a pair of earrings as a cheap apology? She has no pride…
When he got back from his break he chose Zoe -not because he wanted to use her because he himself thought it could work and wanted to at least try and make a go of things with her. He wanted an easy and uncomplicated relationship. However this was very selfish of him because it was about meeting his needs, not hers. He also bears a lot of responsibility in how he continued to see Zoe while Sharon at the same time. There is no excuse for that and she simply didn’t deserve it. However unlike Zoe and Den, at least he was planning to come clean eventually and not carry on the affair for the next 30 years.
When I think back, I think Zoe got her medicine when it came to Dennis. She slept with Jamie when he was with Sonia (because she fancied him) and hooked up with her best mates ex (Ronny) from the second he dumped her, because SHE wanted him. She has shown very little regard for other peoples feelings in the past when it came to men so it was a case of 'what goes around comes around'.
In Stacey’s words 'you've got desperate bird written all over you.' :lol:
couldnt agree more Alisha! zoe is one desperate girl.
JustJodi
30-06-2005, 23:06
couldnt agree more Alisha! zoe is one desperate girl.
desperate people do desperate things,, ZOE WAS desperate. Most women ( yes even outside of soaps in real life) will do any thing to keep the man they love. Some one on this board once said they were trying to keep this British soap opera REAL,,,well then they made Zoe with real womans behaviors, so thats my take on this,, or as I always say,, my 2 euro cents worth:)
I don't see Zoe's behaviour mirroring real life, far from it.
In reality, a person like Zoe who has been played second fiddle to men and always ending up crying on the street, naturally mature from it and come out stronger not go backwards. It’s like a repetitive cycle for her character. This is why to me, I've always seen her character as one dimensional-never changing and if she does its one step forward and then three steps back. I think faking a pregnancy is something girls would do in real life to keep their bloke. I can see that happening but jumping into bed with their blokes father with the intention of getting pregnant, I cannot.
I didn't find the Zoe and Den storyline realistic in the slightest. It was a cheap plot which was contrived and based on pure sensationalism. It had a lot of criticism too.
Why can't everyone admit they were all wrong but Zoe was a victim in some ways?
soapy dream
01-07-2005, 13:17
zoe was a bore, I am so glad she is gone!!!!! she was such a victim over everything, life wasnt fait for her she got the worst punches, so what bye..... (im all heart lol)
Can we get back to the fact of OMG there is cracks in the concrete and the body is found on Shannis wedding day. Bet its phil that finds him and he finds him cuz sam is cracking up and he moves the body for her!!!
zoe was a bore, I am so glad she is gone!!!!! she was such a victim over everything, life wasnt fait for her she got the worst punches, so what bye..... (im all heart lol)
Can we get back to the fact of OMG there is cracks in the concrete and the body is found on Shannis wedding day. Bet its phil that finds him and he finds him cuz sam is cracking up and he moves the body for her!!!
No Zoe wasn't a bore, she was a legend :D
soapy dream
01-07-2005, 13:23
No Zoe wasn't a bore, she was a legend :D
How can you say that she was always crying over something. In her early days the jamie saga, finding out about cat, they were good story lines but the whole Den thing was to fake. Im glad her and Den are gone!!
The whole Kat/Zoe mother storyline was excellent, she's given more to the programme than Dennis Rickman ever will.
Absolutely fantastic actress given the right storyline and script and plus she was only 16/17 at the time.
soapy dream
01-07-2005, 13:55
The whole Kat/Zoe mother storyline was excellent, she's given more to the programme than Dennis Rickman ever will.
Absolutely fantastic actress given the right storyline and script and plus she was only 16/17 at the time.
I know michelle ryan is a good (freat actress) I mean her character was boring. Glad to see the back of zoe not michelle!!!!
soapy dream
01-07-2005, 13:56
I know michelle ryan is a good (freat actress) I mean her character was boring. Glad to see the back of zoe not michelle!!!!
that was meant to be great lol
You can edit your posts to correct spelling mistakes.
Zoe still gave the programme one it's top plots and people seem to have forgot it so easy.
JustJodi
01-07-2005, 15:31
I for one always thought Zoe was a victim in the end,, and yes she did make mistakes, she is allowed to be a human being even in character,, Walford Queen,,, you are right,, people always tend to forget the good roles/story lines/plots and always remember the lousy ones,, that also is pure human nature on and off screen. Like u said in another post the "not so good" episodes are just fillers until the good stuff comes in,, :hmm:
Some times there is just no pleasing people:rolleyes:
I honestly think they're trying to fill in while they build up a strong future for the show. The fact that some of the filler episodes are good ones though is just a bonus.
JustJodi
01-07-2005, 15:42
I honestly thing they're trying to fill in while they build up a strong future for the show. The fact that some of the filler episodes are good ones though is just a bonus.
sort of like building up a cresendo... then BANG !!!!! we are gonna get hit with some super shows :cheer:
sort of like building up a cresendo... then BANG !!!!! we are gonna get hit with some super shows :cheer:
Got it in one :D
Has she threatened her yet? They had that thing in the kitchen where Chrissie reminded Kat what she was capable of, so that must have been it?
Has she threatened her yet? They had that thing in the kitchen where Chrissie reminded Kat what she was capable of, so that must have been it?
thats the problem with some magazine sthey make a big deal out of something really small to make a good cover this has happened a lot recently with eastenders we expect somethink major and nothing happens
like there was one little mo and alfie give into passion, all they had was a quick snog in the garage!
bondboffin
And Gail and Shelley's catfight in Corrie!!! More like a slanging match.
And Gail and Shelley's catfight in Corrie!!! More like a slanging match.
cant even remember that!!!! did it happen lol???
bondboffin
They had a row on the pavement.
They had a row on the pavement.
wasnt that eileen and gail????
sorry if i am wrong but i dont take an intrest in coronation street anymore
bondboffin
No they had a fight but Shelley and Gail were supposed to have one too because Shelley thought Charlie was sleeping with Gail.
:crying:
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7582/02005310101000fi.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us/)
Watt an end for Chrissie!
EASTENDERS murderer Chrissie Watts is knocking Albert Square on the head.
The pub boss will make an explosive exit after Dirty Den’s body is found buried in the Queen Vic cellar.
Source: The Sun
Link: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005310063,,00.html
Chris_2k11
06-07-2005, 05:14
EASTENDERS murderer Chrissie Watts is knocking Albert Square on the head.haha, do you get that bit!? :lol:
Oh its about time she left!
Sorry peep's but i don't like her! :D
I don't always like her but that's just becasue I can't defend what she has done but I don't want to see her go.
Dr. Tangliss
06-07-2005, 08:57
That's a shame, I like her character.
I may not like her that much but it will be a shame to see her go
angelblue
06-07-2005, 09:06
Noooooooo chrissie cant leave she is a great character i dont think that will happen the Sun newspaper is unreliable half the time anyway :angry:
What a shame! I suppose it was inevitable though after she bumped off Den, I just didn't think she'd be leaving so soon. It really is a shame, she's a fantastic character.
Katie :)
angelblue
06-07-2005, 09:33
Jake and chrissie have been really sweet lately it a shame i love her character as well but as you say blondie it was inevitable :lol:
I won't believe it until it is made official, the Sun makes half the stuff up as do all the tabloids.
I won't believe it until it is made official, the Sun makes half the stuff up as do all the tabloids.
They have been quite good of late though, but you never know. Although it does make sense, what can she do once the body is discovered??. I guess its inevitable she's going though.
Realistically yes, but this is soapland we're talking about and anything can happen:)
Where would the evidence be that Chrissie killed him? The only witness would be Sam then it comes down to word against word. What about the murder weapon, it is all cleaned and scrubbed and back at Pauline's?
There will still be traces of blood on the weapon although probably no fingerprints
The beeb are not confirming anyways which isn't good because if it was an out and out rumour they would let you know.
There will still be traces of blood on the weapon although probably no fingerprints
Ah but Chrissie gave it a thorough scrub in Sam's sink though...:)
angelblue
06-07-2005, 10:06
I dont want her to go she great :lol:
http://www.sky.com/showbiz/article/0,,50001-1188128,00.html
The beeb are not confirming anyways which isn't good because if it was an out and out rumour they would let you know.
They'll have to if TAO was laeving. Maybe it hasn't been decided yet and it's a storyline they are working on and haven't decided how it's going to end...
Ah but Chrissie gave it a thorough scrub in Sam's sink though...:)
Doesn't matter how much you scrub they will always be a trace......dont you watch CSI lol
It does sound like she has quit.
Doesn't matter how much you scrub they will always be a trace......dont you watch CSI lol
No I don't:) But there would be DNA and traces of blood on it like you said:) But it still won't prove 100% that Chrissie did it ....:)
Sadly it looks like this MIGHT be true :(
squarelady
06-07-2005, 10:21
I'm gutted, really gutted!
I am gutted to see such an enigmatic character leave.
No I don't:) But there would be DNA and traces of blood on it like you said:) But it still won't prove 100% that Chrissie did it ....:)
And DNA evidence in the grave as well. Her position will be untenable once the body is discovered. After all she is the licencee of the queen vic. She could hardly deny that she knew about the burial in her cellar. Too many people are involved now. So its bye bye to Tracey Anne
And DNA evidence in the grave as well. Her position will be untenable once the body is discovered. After all she is the licencee of the queen vic. She could hardly deny that she knew about the burial in her cellar. Too many people are involved now. So its bye bye to Tracey Anne
So much for you telling us it was unrealistic :angel:
So much for you telling us it was unrealistic :angel:
I never said that the second death of Den was unrealistic. It would be unrealistic if she was able to stay once his body is found. Then of course in soapland anything is possible.
I never said that the second death of Den was unrealistic. It would be unrealistic if she was able to stay once his body is found. Then of course in soapland anything is possible.
That's what I meant. You said it would be unrealistic if she stayed but now EE are doing something right for a change although I don't know if the police cart her off. Kim Medcalf is also leaving around about that time so they could share an exit. Maybe the Mitchells could aqquire the pub and pack the women off.
callummc
06-07-2005, 10:40
Lets face it the writing was on the wall from that night,johnny allens name must be on that wall to.
Ahhh but Johnny doesn't have the body buried in his cellar.
Saye2213
06-07-2005, 10:44
I'm in two minds about this. Sometimes I like chrissie, other times I don't. I think the Vic will be different without her though.
squarelady
06-07-2005, 10:45
Lets face it the writing was on the wall from that night,johnny allens name must be on that wall to.
Oh no, course it isn't. They are planning to change the storylines aren't they. Get rid of all those gangsters. So Chrissie and Danny leaving and bringing all the Mitchells back was the obvious way to go about it wasn't it. :angry:
Oh no, course it isn't. They are planning to change the storylines aren't they. Get rid of all those gangsters. So Chrissie and Danny leaving and bringing all the Mitchells back was the obvious way to go about it wasn't it. :angry:
Yep they're a popular family unit. They're not really gangsters. The Mitchell brothers double-act was 10x that of Janny.
They were convinceable hardnuts. Jake could just about get away with it but the weedy Danny :D
I doubt Chrissie is going as part of the gangster cull. She did say she was leaving but I expect more will probably come out about this before she leaves.
Well I wonder who finds Den on Shazza's wedding day then? It opens up a whole new can of worms.
squarelady
06-07-2005, 10:58
Yer, that's the point Jake and Danny aren't meant to be hard nuts. You can see that from the last two episodes. It's just Danny being an idot.
Yer, that's the point Jake and Danny aren't meant to be hard nuts. You can see that from the last two episodes. It's just Danny being an idot.
Well they shouldn't have come in all gangstery then. The Mitchells would soon wipe them out anyways.
All I know is that TAO is contracted until 2006 can't remember when in 2006 at a guess I'd say April.
Jake can be hard when he has to be, Jakey and Danny were never gangsters only "Bad Boys"
All I know is that TAO is contracted until 2006 can't remember when in 2006 at a guess I'd say April.
Jake can be hard when he has to be, Jakey and Danny were never gangsters only "Bad Boys"
But she's left. I'm sure they're allowed to leave if the producers think it's a good idea.
NikNakNoodle
06-07-2005, 11:37
Im GUTTED that shes leaving, i really really like her character!!! Shes being in it like a year harly anything, her character can go soooo far!I dont want her to go!!!!!
It's official: http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/news/news_content/news_20050706.shtml
i am gutted!!!! i cnat belive this, the ebst character in years is going after just over 2 years!!!!
the end of jakissie and the final watts in walford!!! please tracy-anne reconsider!!!!
bondboffin
Sharon is still a Watts although she will be a Rickman at the time.
tammyy2j
06-07-2005, 11:41
EE will miss her Chrissie is a great character. Does this mean the Mitchells get back the Vic because i heard she transfers the Vic to Kat to keep her quiet about Den's death. Isn't Sam leaving also?
EE will miss her Chrissie is a great character. Does this mean the Mitchells get back the Vic because i heard she transfers the Vic to Kat to keep her quiet about Den's death. Isn't Sam leaving also?
Where did you hear the Kat thing?
O.K Now I believe it:) and all I can say is it's a shame she was/is a great character..
I reckon she could skip the country and flee to Spain with Jake's help...afterall the door is being left open for her..
She can't come back though if the police are gunning for her.
well if the thing about Kat is true imagine her fighting with the mitchell clan when they get back over the vic lol
Kat would probably sell it to them to make a few bob lol :D
No a Kat and Peggy slanging match would be brill!
O.K Now I believe it:) and all I can say is it's a shame she was/is a great character..
I reckon she could skip the country and flee to Spain with Jake's help...afterall the door is being left open for her..
door left open to return is not dying...
id rather her get sent down as we could see the arrest scenes and the court case which would be fabulous!!!!
i want her to kill sam tough!!!!
kat owning the vic!!! wow!!! maybe kalfie will be behind the bar once more, but what about the mitchells!!!!
bondboffin
Grant could fall for Kat!!! Thats a couple i would love to see
The Mitchells do need to be at the centre of the drama to work!
Kat would be fab though if she owned half.
No Alfie though. He would ruin it.
She can't come back though if the police are gunning for her.
True, but what about Phil Mitchell he's in it up to his neck and he's coming back, maybe the same miracle will be worked for Chrissie if she wanted to return... LOL
True, but what about Phil Mitchell he's in it up to his neck and he's coming back, maybe the same miracle will be worked for Chrissie if she wanted to return... LOL
He's not wanted on a murder charge though.
yeah how are they going to bring him back?
I heard they were consulting top lawyers about Phil.
I heard that Johnny Allen is approached by Peggy and he has something on a cop and uses that..
yeah how are they going to bring him back?
i haerd jonny pays a copper to loose the evidence...this could link in with the rumoured peggy and jonny romacne...but what about poor old tina?
i cnat see tina being in walford thsi time next year for some reason...
bondboffin
He's not wanted on a murder charge though.
He wil be once he gets hold of Ian :lol:
At the end of the day it will stretch imaginations and realism but in the end it'll be worth it.
i haerd jonny pays a copper to loose the evidence...this could link in with the rumoured peggy and jonny romacne...but what about poor old tina?
i cnat see tina being in walford thsi time next year for some reason...
bondboffin
I doubt Johnny will go with Peggy though.
i haerd jonny pays a copper to loose the evidence...this could link in with the rumoured peggy and jonny romacne...but what about poor old tina?
i cnat see tina being in walford thsi time next year for some reason...
bondboffin
I'm sorry but i can not for the life of me see peggy and johnny together no way
i haerd jonny pays a copper to loose the evidence...this could link in with the rumoured peggy and jonny romacne...but what about poor old tina?
i cnat see tina being in walford thsi time next year for some reason...
bondboffin
I was thinking the same the other day and canjust see Peggy and Johnny together. Who cares about Tina!
I doubt Johnny will go with Peggy though.
stranger things have happened...as you know id rather peggy get with charlie
bondboffin
I heard they were consulting top lawyers about Phil.
intially he only is back for a few weeks before going to panto, so im thinking thsi may be teh case and we onyl see him in prison for a few weeks and then when he returns full time it is because he is proved not guilty
bondboffin
peggy and charlie i could see cause that was threating to happen ages ago
Peggy doesn't do gangsters.
peggy and charlie i could see cause that was threating to happen ages ago
eactly charlie likes her and she over time could like him
imagine the two best families fused togetehr it would be dynamite!!!!
i included this idea in my letters to barabra windsor and derek martin and asked them to suggest it to theose in charge
bondboffin
Why don't you e-mail in and suggest it yourself? Not that I'd like to see it happen.
Why don't you e-mail in and suggest it yourself? Not that I'd like to see it happen.
email it to who? they said they dont accept storyline ideas off the public on the website
bondboffin
Peggy doesn't do gangsters.
wasnt george palmer dodgy like that??
and babs windsor used to dates the krays so shed have an idea of how to play the gangsters gal
bondboffin
the krays weren't that bad
wasnt george palmer dodgy like that??
and babs windsor used to dates the krays so shed have an idea of how to play the gangsters gal
bondboffin
She dumped him once discovering his dodgy deals.
She dumped him once discovering his dodgy deals.
fair enough
bondboffin
So if she knows Johnny is dodgy why would she date him?
Peggy isn't a gangsters moll.
So if she knows Johnny is dodgy why would she date him?
Peggy isn't a gangsters moll.
johhny isnt anymore tough...well he is but he isnt
he could rpetend not to be, but do dogy dealings behind her back and when she finds out shew could go mad at him!!! and start an allen/mitchell feud
bondboffin
I'm sure she knows what he's like if he's going to use dodgy info to get Phil off the hook.
pegy has the crystal ball of gansta's - shows them coming a mile off
I'm sure she knows what he's like if he's going to use dodgy info to get Phil off the hook.
but if he gest phil out im sure shed be prepared to give him a chance..saying that why would jonny allen want to get with peggy over tina??? not saying tina is attractive but she is younger and more attractive than peggy
imagien if DVO had been tina, and she found out jonny had been cheating on her with a pensioner..classic scenes they would have been
bondboffin
Tina and Johnny should be happy first and get married.
tammyy2j
06-07-2005, 12:20
Grant could fall for Kat!!! Thats a couple i would love to see
krant what a couple, with Alfie leaving i could see Grant and Kat hooking up unless Grant goes after Sharon
I doubt Sharon would be interested.
Tina and Johnny should be happy first and get married.
i reckon tina will be killed off by someone who jonny does a dodgy deal with....or heres a storyline for you danny returns and kills tina for revenge!!!!!
bondboffin
I hope Danny is the one who ends up dead.
ooooohhhh i like both they ideas bb
I really want to see Tohnny happy for a bit.
but no one can live happily ever after in soap land
Dot and Jim can. Imagine if Dot was bedhopping!
I really want to see Tohnny happy for a bit.
so do i but next xmas...a wedding, tina in her wddding dress and he kidnaps her and takes her to warehpouse
and jonny ends up killing danny at new year after finding danny killed tina
do you know what i am wrtintg the scripts for this after i do the final part of banged to rights today!!!!
bondboffin
not really she got mugged, got cancer....oh and she has to put up with jim 24/7 surly that cant be a happy life
But their marriage has been okay. They enjoy eachothers company. There's no bashing over the head with Ipods and Smoothie makers.
I really want to see Tohnny happy for a bit.
so dod i, jonny proposes october 06, then an xmas day wedding, a big lazzish affair, jake as best man... tina in her wedding dress and then danny kidnaps her
jonny is frantic and worried, mobile phone,..trying to find dannt and save her and on new years eve danny kills tina and jonyn ends up finally killing danny
i lvoe the idea so much im gonna do the scripts for it starting tomoz after i do the final part of banged to rights!!!!
bondboffin
sorry about the double post, thought my first one hadnt posted properly :)
bondboffin
But their marriage has been okay. They enjoy eachothers company. There's no bashing over the head with Ipods and Smoothie makers.
Give it time :D
Why should that wooden plank come back? He couldn't even put the frightners on Pauline let alone murder an innocent women.
Give it time :D
I hope not. It would be out of character for Jim to be strangling Dot on the floor.
She'd stub his eyes out with a cigarette, stab him then hide him in the cupboard and lie to everybody about what he is lol.
it was also announsed on this morning that chrissie is leaving in November
not many people can put the frightners on pauline causwe it's usually the other way about
I hope not. It would be out of character for Jim to be strangling Dot on the floor.
She'd stub his eyes out with a cigarette, stab him then hide him in the cupboard and lie to everybody about what he is lol.
You forgot bashing him over the head with her bible
it was also announsed on this morning that chrissie is leaving in November
i thought her contract wasnt up until feb 06????
and also this is around the time of sam's exit, so maybe she does kill sam!!!!
bondboffin
Chrissie has decided to leave though and they can let her go if the producers feel it's a good idea for the show.
Well TAO has decided to leave.
wq do you like my idea for the danny/jonny/tina thing??? i so want to do a script about it
i reeks of matthew rose and will and nickis wedding in casulty, but it sounds so goood i could imagine the scenes now!
bondboffin
squarelady
06-07-2005, 12:36
Still absolutely gutted!
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 12:40
Shes more talented then that show anyway
Shes more talented then that show anyway
EastEnders is one of the biggest shows in Britain and has boasted excellent talent over the years.
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 12:44
Yeah shes still deserves to be in something a lot better, like Michelle Collins has been
squarelady
06-07-2005, 12:44
Shes more talented then that show anyway
She's done some amazing projects before Eastenders and she's a very talented writer as well as actress so I'm sure she will be very sucessful.
She's really proved herself over recent months. Although I'll be sorry to see her go I could see this coming. There is no other concievable storyline they could do. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out with Jake and Chrissie as well as Sharon and Dennis though. Will really miss her though!
There isn't much that's a lot better in British television than EastEnders.
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 12:45
Yeah shes the best actress in that show, one of the best characters EE have actually brought into it, but great talent doesnt hang around too long
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 12:46
There isn't much that's a lot better in British television than EastEnders.
EE is a soap though, its hardly a gritty drama
EastEnders has boasted some outstanding talent on one particular incident it proved tempting enough to THIRTY yes that's THIRTY no not THREE, THREE ZERO million viewers!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: HIGHEST ever for a soap and the 3rd highest ever for British television. At the time it was THE HIGHEST.
It's had some of the best talent ever to grace soap.
EE is a soap though, its hardly a gritty drama
It's the most gritty dramatic soap at the moment.
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 12:50
In your opinion yes, it does nothing for me over these coming years, i dont really care about ratings blah blah blah, i dont like the show at the moment, years ago there was a time when i couldnt cope not seeing an episode but now its full of crap!
I'd call it more of a comedy right now than a drama, and its NOT GRITTY!
Gritty dramas include shows like Wakind the Dead, CSI, etc. Not a soap, thats a SERIAL DRAMA!
squarelady
06-07-2005, 12:55
There isn't much that's a lot better in British television than EastEnders.
Yer but she could progress on to drama or go back to writing. Whatever she does she'll always shine...
In your opinion yes, it does nothing for me over these coming years, i dont really care about ratings blah blah blah, i dont like the show at the moment, years ago there was a time when i couldnt cope not seeing an episode but now its full of crap!
I'd call it more of a comedy right now than a drama, and its NOT GRITTY!
Gritty dramas include shows like Wakind the Dead, CSI, etc. Not a soap, thats a SERIAL DRAMA!
Corrie is more of a comedy than EastEnders or any other soap inc. Hollyoaks could ever HOPE to be at the moment. EastEnders can STILL provoke emotion from it's audience and whether you like it or not, it's going to be back on form before long. Mofie is the only thing dragging it down and it's deserved it's high ratings over the years. It was the best soap for so long, it wouldn't be fair if it got low ratings.
Yer but she could progress on to drama or go back to writing. Whatever she does she'll always shine...
Exactly! I'm sure we haven't seen the last of her.
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 12:57
Yer but she could progress on to drama or go back to writing. Whatever she does she'll always shine...
Too right, you could tell she was talented the minute she arrived on EE, its not a common thing for an actor/actress to be able to do that
squarelady
06-07-2005, 12:57
But it's not about the show provoking emotion from the audience it's about TA provoking a reaction from the audience. She's been an amazing character from start to finish and will be a really great loss.
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 13:00
Corrie is more of a comedy than EastEnders or any other soap inc. Hollyoaks could ever HOPE to be at the moment. EastEnders can STILL provoke emotion from it's audience and whether you like it or not, it's going to be back on form before long. Mofie is the only thing dragging it down and it's deserved it's high ratings over the years. It was the best soap for so long, it wouldn't be fair if it got low ratings.
What the hell is Mofie? Oh dont tell me Alfie and Little Mo, sorry but thats rather sad putting two names together, thats how low EE has got with fans coming up with silly names like that.
Yes Corrie has a touch of comedy in it, thats what makes it a great soap, i mean its been around for 40 years, twice as long as EE :cheer:
I'll be here waiting for it to come "back on form" although if Ross Kemps stay is only minimal then its only a matter of time before it goes back down hill again
What the hell is Mofie? Oh dont tell me Alfie and Little Mo, sorry but thats rather sad putting two names together, thats how low EE has got with fans coming up with silly names like that.
Yes Corrie has a touch of comedy in it, thats what makes it a great soap, i mean its been around for 40 years, twice as long as EE :cheer:
I'll be here waiting for it to come "back on form" although if Ross Kemps stay is only minimal then its only a matter of time before it goes back down hill again
It's had some of it's strongest periods without Ross. He left in 1999 and despite being a great character the show did not suffer as a result of his departure.
xCharliex
06-07-2005, 13:05
Blah blah, EE is boring right now, its more interesting reading whats going to happen than watching it.
The writings crap, half the actings crap, and with the decent actors/actresses leaving its gonna be even worse.
Only time will tell to see if they can pull it round again
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