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When I've put my animals down, it hasn't been about what I want or can cope with, it's been about ending their suffering. Pain is pain and we all have the same nervous systems. I really pity the animals of people who won't put them to sleep when they're dying in agony :(
I couldn't stand by and not help my pet who was suffering. That would have been worse then anything. Too often it's pet owners who haven't the courage to take the step and instead will let the animal linger on suffering. That's not compassion, that's selfish irresponsibility to me.
Just because your sick should not mean that people have a right to kill you. If dogs had voices I am sure they would say don't do it. If we used the same rule for humans a lot of us would not be around.
The question for you is, should the person who is suffering have the right? You are talking about rights here, what about the right to make that decision by the person who is suffering?
Ruffed_lemur
21-01-2014, 18:49
I made the decision to put my cat to sleep when his liver cancer progressed to start eating his muscles an insides. I had treated him with medication for 18 months prior to that and his quality of life was good...until I had to watch he cancer literally eat him from inside
so I should have waited for him to 'simply die on his own'?
amazing...
Probably, yes. Animals can't tell us how they feel, humans can. Why take the word of a vet who doesn't know the animal though? If you have a bond with an animal you would know what they want.
Ruffed_lemur
21-01-2014, 18:59
When I've put my animals down, it hasn't been about what I want or can cope with, it's been about ending their suffering. Pain is pain and we all have the same nervous systems. I really pity the animals of people who won't put them to sleep when they're dying in agony :(
It hasn't been about I with me either. What I'm trying to say is I couldn't cope with doing something that my pet doesn't want. Society has made most pet carers believe that euthanasia is ok. I just don't believe it! Much money is made out of it too. Once the power is given to euthanase, it tends to be overused.
It hasn't been about I with me either. What I'm trying to say is I couldn't cope with doing something that my pet doesn't want. Society has made most pet carers believe that euthanasia is ok. I just don't believe it! Much money is made out of it too. Once the power is given to euthanase, it tends to be overused.
I'm quite capable of making my own decisions, thank you!!!! :angry:
I'm not one to follow like a sheep just because others think something's ok.
Ruffed_lemur
21-01-2014, 19:13
I'm quite capable of making my own decisions, thank you!!!! :angry:
I've said above that I supported my father's decision to commit suicide even though it has badly affected my life (edited to make clear that I didn't know beforehand). I'm not one to follow like a sheep just because others think something's ok.
I've been a vegetarian since I was 7 (over 30 years) when it wasn't fashionable and caused me a great deal of trouble to stick to. I make my own decisions, especially about the people and animals I care about!!!
I never said you couldn't make your own decisions. Sorry. In my experience, people I've heard talking at the vets seem to see no alternative, and think the vets know best. So sad.
Most owners of animals will want to take care of their pets until the animal is in obvious pain, discomfort, too sick and suffering to carry on living. While some animals will go away to die, usually when they have become old, however, like humans, animals don't just decide to die, vital body organs need to shut down first which, as in humans, can take a long time, but we don't put an animal on a morphine drip to keep it alive until death eventually occurs. Any respectable vet will also not put an animal to sleep unless it is really necessary for the animal to be out of pain.
I never said you couldn't make your own decisions. Sorry. In my experience, people I've heard talking at the vets seem to see no alternative, and think the vets know best. So sad.
That's exactly what you implied by stating "Society has made most pet carers believe that euthanasia is ok", as if the pet owner's themselves just go along with whatever society and/or vets dictate without making their own decisions.
I've had enough of your stupidity now and will be putting you on my "ignore list" (I hope that's possible on this forum as I've never had to do it before). I can't bear to read any more of your ignorant views :angry:
Edited: done!
Probably, yes. Animals can't tell us how they feel, humans can. Why take the word of a vet who doesn't know the animal though? If you have a bond with an animal you would know what they want.
And I'd known him for 16 years and his look said 'enough make it stop....'
I never said you couldn't make your own decisions. Sorry. In my experience, people I've heard talking at the vets seem to see no alternative, and think the vets know best. So sad.
I don't know who you've heard talking at the vets, but I'm a pet owner with more than a quarter of a century of working with cancer patients, so when a dr or vet says something, I can tell if they're not giving the full picture
I think we should stop this conversation now as it is obviously upsetting people. This thread was about Hayley and somewhere it has been overtaken by another issue. We all have our opinions and whatever side of the viewpoint they are valid to that person. We are not saying you do not love and care for your pets. It's obvious you all do.
I think we should stop this conversation now as it is obviously upsetting people. This thread was about Hayley and somewhere it has been overtaken by another issue.
The "somewhere" this thread has been overtaken by another issue was with your comment "I have never understood people putting animals down either" on page 21 of this thread...
I thought I might of done. Anyway let's end it and talk about the show that's what this forum is about.
Vets are experienced professionals and IMHO they will not just put down a healthy dog without good reason. In my experience they spent a lot of time discussing the possible treatments, likely outcomes and yes the costs too, To say that vets use euthanasia as some sort of money making scheme is plain ludicrous. With the demise of the poor sick animal then thats another income stream gone and besides by recommending more treatment instead of euthanasia he could rake in more money by pointlessly prolonging the animals life.
Ruffed_lemur
21-01-2014, 23:26
And I'd known him for 16 years and his look said 'enough make it stop....'
So that's ok then.
Ruffed_lemur
21-01-2014, 23:31
I thought I might of done. Anyway let's end it and talk about the show that's what this forum is about.
True. The main thing that annoys me with Hayley wanting to end her life is it's not even about the pain, it's because she doesn't want to be seen as Harold. It may not have happened!
It hasn't been about I with me either. What I'm trying to say is I couldn't cope with doing something that my pet doesn't want. Society has made most pet carers believe that euthanasia is ok. I just don't believe it! Much money is made out of it too. Once the power is given to euthanase, it tends to be overused.
It's pretty obvious when an animal is suffering and a correct diagnosis as to what to expect in terms of their survival is available with the present state of veterinary medicine. More accurate is the scenario of a pet owner having the courage to face reality and take the action which would help end their pets suffering.
Probably, yes. Animals can't tell us how they feel, humans can. Why take the word of a vet who doesn't know the animal though? If you have a bond with an animal you would know what they want.
That brings new depth of meaning to the word rationalization. If you can't tell when an animal is suffering then I think there may be a bigger problem here. And if you can't accept the medical evidence then all reason has gone out the window.
Probably, yes. Animals can't tell us how they feel, humans can. Why take the word of a vet who doesn't know the animal though? If you have a bond with an animal you would know what they want.
Your pet should have been seen by a vet on a regular basis - if only to get the regular vaccinations so the vet should know your animal!!!
I think we should stop this conversation now as it is obviously upsetting people. This thread was about Hayley and somewhere it has been overtaken by another issue. We all have our opinions and whatever side of the viewpoint they are valid to that person. We are not saying you do not love and care for your pets. It's obvious you all do.
I think it should go to it's natural conclusion. Obviously the Corrie storyline has hit a nerve not only here but with people all over the country. Airing opinions and examining issues is healthy. Not facing realtiies, such as the need to end a suffering pets life, is not.
I also think that enough has been voiced on the subject of pets and maybe leave it at that now :)
I also think that enough has been voiced on the subject of pets and maybe leave it at that now :)
I'd say let everyone decide for themselves. If they have something they'd like to say, do so. If it isn't something someone wants to respond to, don't and post something different. The natural progression of discussion threads take over and it's not up to some individuals to pronounce the direction.
I also think that enough has been voiced on the subject of pets and maybe leave it at that now :)
I'd say let everyone decide for themselves. If they have something they'd like to say, do so. If it isn't something someone wants to respond to, don't and post something different. The natural progression of discussion threads take over and it's not up to some individuals to pronounce the direction.
Then maybe another thread should be started titled "Do you believe in having pets put down or not" or something on that line under General Discussion, this is a thread on a Coronation Street spoiler
Then maybe another thread should be started titled "Do you believe in having pets put down or not" or something on that line under General Discussion, this is a thread on a Coronation Street spoiler
Leave it alone and let it fizzle out like most discussions eventualy do, instead of trying to dictate what people can or cannot post.
Then maybe another thread should be started titled "Do you believe in having pets put down or not" or something on that line under General Discussion, this is a thread on a Coronation Street spoiler
Leave it alone and let it fizzle out like most discussions eventualy do, instead of trying to dictate what people can or cannot post.
It appears to have fizzled out anyway
Ruffed_lemur
22-01-2014, 14:39
Your pet should have been seen by a vet on a regular basis - if only to get the regular vaccinations so the vet should know your animal!!!
I mean really know them. You don't get to know an animal by administering treatment!
I mean really know them. You don't get to know an animal by administering treatment!
Why don't you give it a rest? I don't know about other people but your comment reply to my post on page 27 here has really hacked me off. You don't know me from Adam so don't judge me or anyone else here, or try and force your sanctimonious views on us
Ruffed_lemur
22-01-2014, 14:45
Then maybe another thread should be started titled "Do you believe in having pets put down or not" or something on that line under General Discussion, this is a thread on a Coronation Street spoiler
I agree with this, and wish this discussion never started on here. It brings back VERY bad memories for me. Euthanasia should be a choice, and it is. People shouldn't be bullied into it! Hell, there are far too many HEALTHY animals killed as it is.
Why don't you give it a rest? I don't know about other people but your comment reply to my post on page 27 here has really hacked me off. You don't know me from Adam so don't judge me or anyone else here, or try and force your sanctimonious views on us
I can't see Ruffed_lemur's posts because she/he's on my ignore list, but is she/he still harping on self-righteously to those who love their pets and help them when they're suffering? How sad... :wall: :thumbsdow
Anyway, Sarah, just ignore the trolling from now on - the vast majority of us agree with you anyway :)
As others have said, the discussion's fizzling out anyway.
Had a great night out tonight at the O2, corrie did really well. I wish Roy had got an award. He really deserves one. But good of Julie to acknowledge him like she did.
Ruffed_lemur
22-01-2014, 23:57
I wish Roy had got an award too.
I wish Roy had got an award too.
Would have much preferred David Neilson to have won as he was acting, though because her character was dying for once Hesmondhalgh toned down the theatrics and gave a credible performance. Also because she was given such a evocative storyline whose subject matter hit emotional chords with the public.
I wish Roy had got an award too.
Would have much preferred David Neilson to have won as he was acting, though because her character was dying for once Hesmondhalgh toned down the theatrics and gave a credible performance. Also because she was given such a evocative storyline whose subject matter hit emotional chords with the public.
Coronation Street's Anna Windass tries to comfort Roy Cropper in tonight's double bill (January 24) as the pain of Hayley's death continues to take its toll.
In the aftermath of Hayley's suicide, Roy (David Neilson) concerns everyone by refusing to take time off work in order to grieve.
Later, after a busy day at the café, Roy's sadness turns to anger as he bitterly complains to Anna (Debbie Rush) about Hayley's decision to leave his side early.
Anna is quick to assure Roy that he did the right thing by respecting Hayley's wishes, but is that what Roy wants to hear?
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Anna assures Roy he did the right thing
Coronation Street airs tonight at 7.30pm and 8.30pm on ITV.
inkyskin
24-01-2014, 17:09
well that escalated quickly!
What has escalated quickly?
What has escalated quickly?
That's just what I was thinking. Clear as mud.
What has escalated quickly?
That's just what I was thinking. Clear as mud.
well that escalated quickly!
I think Inkyskin probably meant the argument about pets :)
I think Inkyskin probably meant the argument about pets :)
Thanks, I needed a translator!:hmm:
http://uk.screen.yahoo.com/first-look-coronation-street-gets-150300937.html?vp=1
Anyone watching Cucumber on Channel 4? Julie Hesmondhalgh's the best thing in it and so different to Corrie's Hayley. It's very funny to hear her swearing and speaking crudely - something Hayley would've rather died than do! :D
I'm finding Cucumber entertaining but a little disappointing overall. It doesn't compare to Queer as Folk (also written by Russell T Davies), which is one of my favourite dramas ever.
I find it difficult to watch Julie as something so different as Hailey..I hear that voice and I just see Hailey!! :D Last time I just started thinking how the sex scene with Hailey and Roy would look like..I just can't watch it..too much too soon for me.
I find it difficult to watch Julie as something so different as Hailey..I hear that voice and I just see Hailey!! :D Last time I just started thinking how the sex scene with Hailey and Roy would look like..I just can't watch it..too much too soon for me.
Julie actually speaks quite a bit differently in Cucumber than in Corrie. Hayley's way of speaking was very distinctive but it seems that wasn't Julie's natural voice.
No one wants to think of a Roy and Hayley sex scene! It just wouldn't jibe with their gentle relationship. :D
She sounded the same as Hayley when she collected awards so she must has used her acting ability to have a different accent in this new tv show
Maybe she slipped back into Hayley mode for the awards??
maidmarian
18-02-2015, 17:05
Maybe she slipped back into Hayley mode for the awards??
there was a documentary a couple of yrs ago-
about Hayley also actress.
She called into a charity shop- as herself- but
sounded just like Hayley- perhaps she does
that when occasion is connected to being Hayley.
maidmarian
18-02-2015, 17:05
Maybe she slipped back into Hayley mode for the awards??
there was a documentary a couple of yrs ago-
about Hayley also actress.
She called into a charity shop- as herself- but
sounded just like Hayley- perhaps she does
that when occasion is connected to being Hayley.
She sounded the same as Hayley when she collected awards so she must has used her acting ability to have a different accent in this new tv show
I don't think it's the accent that's different, more the speech patterns. It's hard to describe. Hayley had a very distinctive way of talking that I didn't think Julie's character in Cucumber was doing. I may have got it wrong though - I'm not particularly good at differentiating between accents, particularly Northern ones. I'll try and pay more attention when I watch the next episode of Cucumber.
Julie is my favourite character in it (and lots of other people's too from what I've read) so she's definitely proved she can play more than Hayley. I hope she gets lots of other work from this.
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