Lucy Beale

[tammyy2j]

The box that was given to Beth as a xmas present. The last thing Lucy heard.

Who is Beth?

[xx_Dan_xx]

Who is Beth?

Isn't that the name of Cindy's girl? It was her xmas present.

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[tammyy2j]

Isn't that the name of Cindy's girl? It was her xmas present.

Oh yes it is so whomever gave her the gift is the killer

[Glen1]

I need to use the text for TV sound and when the tune started it was stated as a baby chime sort of thing that goes above a cot. Last thing Lucy heard

[xx_Dan_xx]

Oh yes it is so whomever gave her the gift is the killer

Yeah but I was thinking about the box itself. If its the last thing she heard, she most likely was killed in her own home as why would she have it on her? But.. then why would the killer take it...

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[tammyy2j]

So Lucy was killed in her own room in the Beale house

[Dazzle]

So Lucy was killed in her own room in the Beale house

Sounds very much like it.

[Dazzle]

I need to use the text for TV sound and when the tune started it was stated as a baby chime sort of thing that goes above a cot. Last thing Lucy heard

I sometimes use the subtitles too and they very often get things wrong! From what others are saying it seems that it was the sound of Lucy's musical box.

[xx_Dan_xx]

I sometimes use the subtitles too and they very often get things wrong! From what others are saying it seems that it was the sound of Lucy's musical box.

Thats what we meant, atleast I did. On christmas day I think it was said it was Lucy's from when she was a baby and still had for whatever reason.

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[Dazzle]

Thats what we meant, atleast I did. On christmas day I think it was said it was Lucy's from when she was a baby and still had for whatever reason.

It's where she kept her drugs so she may have been putting some in or getting some out when she was killed.

[Kim]

Some are speculating that Emma may have cracked the case to the point of knowing that the jewellery box was the weapon, and planted the jewellery box as a present to Beth herself to watch the reactions of the Beales and the Brannings when it was unwrapped. It was only ever speculation I believe that the jewellery box was left by the killer, and I can't see why they would want to draw attention to it knowing that it was the murder weapon.

[Dazzle]

Some are speculating that Emma may have cracked the case to the point of knowing that the jewellery box was the weapon, and planted the jewellery box as a present to Beth herself to watch the reactions of the Beales and the Brannings when it was unwrapped. It was only ever speculation I believe that the jewellery box was left by the killer, and I can't see why they would want to draw attention to it knowing that it was the murder weapon.

I like the idea that Emma put it there to monitor everyone's reactions, but I'm not sure about the box as the weapon. If it's like one I had as a child, it wouldn't be strong enough to be used to kill someone (but then I suppose you must be able to buy expensive and well made musical boxes). Also, if it was in the house at the time (and it must have been since Ian said he gave it a charity shop), surely forensics would have thoroughly checked it?

Edit: I suppose the killer could've taken it away and put it back after the police had finished with the house.

[xx_Dan_xx]

I think its Jane. Here is why:

The fact that the musical box is what Lucy last heard so her death suggests she must of died in her room on Good Friday.

Who had very easy access to the Beale house? Jane.

Emma figured out who did it when Patrick had fallen down the stairs in his own home. Lets suppose this is what Emma realised, that Lucy was murdered in her own home.

Emma then examined the Square most likely judging distances between houses.

Emma was still interested in the video of Lauren going to Lucy's house furthering the evidence Lucy was killed at home.

Jane says she saw Lauren going to the Beale house then left without entering.
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/2/2d/Albert_square_map_14.gif/revision/latest?cb=20090307000411

If we assume this map is accurate, it would of been very difficult for Jane to of even seen Lauren do this and she happened to be looking out the window in a very awkward manner or happened to go outside at this time. My guess this was a cover and she wasn't even in the Masood house at the time and was moving Lucy's body.

The musical box returning to the Beale house was done as Jane had it cleaned and kept it rather than disposing of it for sentimental reasons. I believe Jane didn't mean to kill Lucy. She also seemed to know secretive spots in the Beale house like loose floorboards where she is storing Lucy;s phone. So keeping the box hidden until Christmas isn't past her.

The live episode itself is Ian and Jane's Wedding - if it was any other character it could realistically be any day and Ian finding out at the registry office, saying his vows, is obvious. As something big to either the broom or bride always happens on their wedding day to them personally.

Finally, Emma's phonecall. Emma said 'I'm glad I got a hold of you'. This suggests Emma had doubts they'd even answer the call knowing who it was. Jane was the worst to her that day.

Despite thinking its Jane, I do believe it was an accident - hence why Emma said its still murder to her in the park.

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If there is anything confirmed false in the above, please let me know as I have my facts wrong.

[parkerman]

Sounds good to me Dan. :thumbsup: :clap:

[Kim]

Very good Dan. I believe it's Cindy or Jane but I've been thinking about it from the perspective of the fallout and what stories could come from it, where it would leave the Beales as a family unit etc, rather than thinking about how all the clues fit together. Your theory has me firmly in the Jane camp for the time being.

I wish I was better at working out whodunnits - the only one I've ever got right was the Frank one from Corrie!

There was something in a scene on the day of Lucy's funeral that made me think that Jane was the killer and Masood knew about it. I can't think why she'd need to tell him though. Unless Masood's car was used to move Lucy? It's a people carrier, so bigger. Is this possible? I used to drive a Micra like Jane's and the boot isn't very big.

[Dazzle]

I think its Jane.

Brilliant theory Dan! Everything seems to fit! :cheer:

Jane also fulfills my hope that the killer will be a big character with emotional ties to Lucy and her family so would satisfy me immensely.

It will be the height of drama if Jane's revealed as the killer just before/after the wedding during the live episode. Her feelings of guilt could also explain her extremely puzzling enthusiasm to remarry Ian.


Despite thinking its Jane, I do believe it was an accident - hence why Emma said its still murder to her in the park.

For Emma to have insisted it was still murder appears to me to mean that the blow was deliberate even though it probably wasn't meant to kill (from what I've read, if it was truly an accident it would be manslaughter at the most). That means there was some serious anger involved. I wonder what could have happened between them?

Regarding the music box, it must have been in Lucy's room or been put back shortly after the police left for Ian to have given it to the charity shop.

[lizann]

was music box given to charity shop cora ran

[maidmarian]

For Emma to have insisted it was still murder appears to me to mean that the blow was deliberate even though it probably wasn't meant to kill (from what I've read, if it was truly an accident it would be manslaughter at the most). That means there was some serious anger involved. I wonder what could have happened between themp.

perhaps Jane found out Lucy had been supplying
someone she loved./ had affection for
Or thought Lucy had left drugs where a young
child living in/ visiting house could find them!

[maidmarian]

dupl

[parkerman]

was music box given to charity shop cora ran

Cora had left the charity shop some time before then I believe.

[Kim]

Cora had left the charity shop some time before then I believe.

I think so too. I don't think we've even seen the charity shop set within the last year, the same as the R&R. These seem to have been swallowed up as part of the effort to make the Square seem more like London, which included opening the Albert up to replace it, but in a different location.

On the subject of The Albert, since Sharon signed her share over to Phil in exchange for The Albert, could he not sell the R&R to pay for his legal fees? It would also dispose of the R&R once and for all.

[tammyy2j]

I think so too. I don't think we've even seen the charity shop set within the last year, the same as the R&R. These seem to have been swallowed up as part of the effort to make the Square seem more like London, which included opening the Albert up to replace it, but in a different location.

On the subject of The Albert, since Sharon signed her share over to Phil in exchange for The Albert, could he not sell the R&R to pay for his legal fees? It would also dispose of the R&R once and for all.

What happened to the boxing club Ronnie owned too?

[parkerman]

What happened to the boxing club Ronnie owned too?

She still owns it. It was mentioned a couple of episodes ago,though we haven't seen it for ages.

[Dazzle]

An article from the Radio Times website (http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-01-22/eastenders-what-does-the-lucy-beale-music-box-clue-mean) about the music box clue:-

"All will be revealed come 19 February 2015, when Lucy's murderer will finally be unmasked. But there are certain things that we already know about the music box in question.

One: that it was where Lucy used to hide her secret stash of cocaine as well as her jewellery, a revelation that came to light following a discovery by Cindy Jr. And two: the music box was found (by Cindy Jr - are we spotting a pattern emerging here?) under the Beales' Christmas tree back in December, where it had been lying in wait as a rather eerie gift.

So are we now to assume that Lucy was killed at home in her bedroom (where the music box was located at the time of her death) and then moved to Walford Common? Was it the music box that Summerhayes was referring to when - in her dying moments - she said to Max: "it wasn't there"? Could this actually be a case of death by music box?"

I think it's a good possibility that Summerhayes was referring to the music box when she said "it wasn't there". She could have meant it wasn't in Lucy's room when the police searched the house (there may have been photos of the room in Emma's file that she'd been examining) and it was put back at a later date. So the killer needed to have been someone with easy access to Lucy's room after her death.

[Perdita]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a623580/who-killed-lucy-beale-killer-clues-for-eastenders-gripping-whodunit.html#~p27D0fOT8jH9w2

'Who Killed Lucy Beale?' is the question that has kept EastEnders fans guessing since April last year, but we're now just four weeks away from discovering the identity of the unknown culprit.

Over the past nine months, there's been an endless collection of clues, hints and red herrings to keep the speculation brewing - and even the most ardent fan may have struggled to keep track of them all!

To help out as the storyline nears its long-awaited conclusion, Digital Spy has put together a video case file which rounds up what we think are the most important clues in this compelling mystery.

Hit play above to watch us make our way through the suspects and some possible theories - then feel free to share your thoughts on who killed Lucy in the comments box at the bottom of the page!

EastEnders will reveal Lucy's killer on Thursday, February 19 as the show celebrates its 30th anniversary.


More clues for all you SoapBoards detectives :D

[parkerman]

I still think it was Winston and that's why he's legged it before he gets caught.

[Kim]

was music box given to charity shop cora ran

I've just been rewatching some clips to look for clues and in the episode before Lucy died, Pam and Les said they'd taken over the lease on the charity shop so the charity shop is no more.

[lizann]

it wasn't there could mean lucy wasn't killed at the common where her body was found

[tammyy2j]

Max Branning may have ripped up Emma Summerhayes's file of notes about Lucy's murder, but that doesn't stop Lauren from turning detective.

Lauren will be seen piecing together the evidence in secret during next week's episodes. With dad Max still behaving erratically, Lauren decides to hide the case file but doesn't notice when a slip of paper falls out.

Later in the day, Lauren discovers the scrap stuck to her shoe, but as she goes to throw it away, she realises it’s a missing piece of paper from Summerhayes's notes. Lauren is shocked to the core when she realises what the paper means.

[xx_Dan_xx]

it wasn't there could mean lucy wasn't killed at the common where her body was found

That is already established in the soap. Cant remember when but I'm pretty sure they know that already.

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[parkerman]

That is already established in the soap. Cant remember when but I'm pretty sure they know that already.
Yes. I agree. I thought that was already known.

[xx_Dan_xx]

Lauren is the only one in the new trailer that isn't haunted. Is this a good or bad thing? At the moment it seems far-fetched that she'll be responsible. Or... is she looking to get rid of the evidence that helped Emma find out it was her?

[Kim]

I watched from 17th April until 2nd May recently and it was in there. The police said there was no dispersion of blood on the common so she couldn't have died there.

With the music clue and Lucy being shown above the house in the latest trailer, I think she died at home.

[Kim]

Lauren is the only one in the new trailer that isn't haunted. Is this a good or bad thing? At the moment it seems far-fetched that she'll be responsible. Or... is she looking to get rid of the evidence that helped Emma find out it was her?

I think Lauren would be a lot higher up in terms of suspicion if no one knew that Jacqueline Jossa was pregnant. Shame they didn't keep it under the radar like Emmerdale have done with Emma Atkins.

[vcdg84]

After watching the video it looks like the only people being haunted individually are the beales, max, abi and Denise the rest then start to join when the gate bangs. Does that mean the suspect list has been narrowed again?

[Kim]

After watching the video it looks like the only people being haunted individually are the beales, max, abi and Denise the rest then start to join when the gate bangs. Does that mean the suspect list has been narrowed again?

Perhaps. I never took Pam, Les, Lee or Ben seriously as suspects anyway. Ben has form for manslaughter and is related to the Beales, but I don't think they'd have him kill again when they've just brought him back. There would be no sympathy for him then.

[sarah c]

Perhaps. I never took Pam, Les, Lee or Ben seriously as suspects anyway. Ben has form for manslaughter and is related to the Beales, but I don't think they'd have him kill again when they've just brought him back. There would be no sympathy for him then.

but we are still assuming that the killer gets caught? what if the killer is revealed to us - but not to the Albert Square residents?

[Kim]

but we are still assuming that the killer gets caught? what if the killer is revealed to us - but not to the Albert Square residents?

I was meaning viewer sympathy. Ben was pretty hated by the audience when he left I think, so why waste the improvement that there's been on another murder? He's an important character in the history of the show so they should be staying away from writing him into another corner. He's more important to the show than Louise, as Kathy was also a major character. Lisa, like Laura Beale, seems to have been forgotten.

[parkerman]

but we are still assuming that the killer gets caught? what if the killer is revealed to us - but not to the Albert Square residents?
That would mean the speculation would go on for ever. If the killer isn't revealed, the Beales will have no peace and the ongoing investigation will keep recurring, even when we, the viewers, know the answer. I can't see that happening, it would quickly get very boring.

On the other hand, of course, to counter that, it may be that after the killer is revealed to the viewers, the investigation won't be mentioned again even though as far as the residents go the killer hasn't been found which would just be totally unrealistic.

[lizann]

the very 1st episode is connected or has a clue to lucy's death twitter talk

[tammyy2j]

the very 1st episode is connected or has a clue to lucy's death twitter talk

Nick killed Reg in that episode, is Nick a killer again?

[lizann]

lucy's killer isn't going prison if twitter chatter is true some suggesting dean goes down for it framed by lee

[Perdita]

EastEnders have released a new teaser image as the 'Who killed Lucy Beale' storyline nears its long-awaited conclusion.

The picture focuses on Lucy Beale (Hetti Bywater), with the faces of her murder suspects lined up at the top of the image.
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Lucy Beale and her murder suspects.
© BBC
Lucy Beale and her murder suspects.

The suspects were narrowed down over the New Year period, leaving only 14 characters in the frame as opposed to the entire cast.

However, fans may notice that Lauren Branning (Jacqueline Jossa) does not feature in the image, indicating that she might be ruled out of the murder mystery in the coming weeks.

Next week's episodes will see Lauren uncover a vital clue in the investigation, after she finds a missing piece from the important police file of Emma Summerhayes.

EastEnders recently released a chilling new trailer for the anniversary week, which will start on Tuesday, February 17.

[tammyy2j]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/423117/EastEnders-Lucy-Beale-killer-photos-moments-before-murderer-strikes

And as EastEnders fans wait to discover who killed Lucy Beale, we can show you the first pictures of actress Hetti Bywater filming her character's grizzly murder.

In a series of flashbacks, viewers will see exactly what happened to Lucy on Good Friday before her body was found on Walford Common.

After nine months of twists and turns, the killer will be unmasked during the live episodes for the soap's 30th anniversary, starting on Tuesday, February 17.

Our exclusive pictures from the flashback scenes show Jay Brown following Lucy after she gets off a bus.

They speak to each other and Lucy appears to be giving him directions.

Jay has always insisted he was in the area of Walford Common to meet Ben Mitchell and carry out a robbery with him.

But what we didn't know was that Lucy's twin brother Peter was also out near the common that night - buying drugs.

Viewers have already found out Peter was Lucy's drug dealer but we had no idea he was close to the scene of her murder.

However, with 14 suspects still in the frame, we will have to wait to see if the drug deal has anything to do with her death.

Hetti, 20, returned to the BBC One soap last month to film the creepy new trailer promoting the big reveal.

All the week's episodes will feature a live element and the anniversary show will be completely live.

The anniversary week, which starts on Monday February 16, will also feature Lucy's on-screen dad Ian remarrying his ex-wife Jane.

An EastEnders source said: "It's been a storyline that's had viewers gripped for months and it's been very cleverly done.

"There are still only a handful of top executives who know who killed Lucy.

"Even the actor or actress responsible has no idea it was them.

"Bosses are still deciding when to tell him or her that they are the killer before it is revealed to the nation live on the anniversary.

"There are other surprises planned throughout the week and a real twist that no one will see coming.

"There's another huge storyline that's going to happen that week too.

"The 30th anniversary is a huge event in the soap's history and we're making sure it's one the fans will never ever forget."

[parkerman]

This week's Radio Times has the "suspects" saying who they think killed Lucy:
Lorna Fitgerald (Abi): Ian. But added "Just in case it's me, I've been practising my guilty face."
Harry Reid (Ben): Jane is involved. Could be Cindy or Bobby with Jane covering up.
Laurie Brett (Jane): Abi or Peter.
Adam Woodyat (Ian): I suspect everyone
Diane Parish (Denise): Lady Di
Mimi Keen (Cindy): Peter
Ben Hardy (Peter): Abi
Jake Wood (Max): First thought it was Abi, then Ian, then Max, now has no idea.
Shona McGarty (Whitney): I think it's me
And finally, Hetti Bywater (Lucy): I want it to be Peter but part of me thinks it would give the public a shock if it turned out that Lucy committed suicide. Who killed Lucy? Lucy!

[xx_Dan_xx]

Hetti Bywater (Lucy): I want it to be Peter but part of me thinks it would give the public a shock if it turned out that Lucy committed suicide. Who killed Lucy? Lucy!

I am kind of on the fence about suicide. Whilst it certainly would be the biggest surprise, the fallout of the reveal would then get boring whereas a murder is more entertaining even after the killer is revealed. Anyway too bad suicide has already been ticked off the list.

[xx_Dan_xx]

Hetti Bywater (Lucy): I want it to be Peter but part of me thinks it would give the public a shock if it turned out that Lucy committed suicide. Who killed Lucy? Lucy!

I am kind of on the fence about suicide. Whilst it certainly would be the biggest surprise, the fallout of the reveal would then get boring whereas a murder is more entertaining even after the killer is revealed. Anyway too bad suicide has already been ticked off the list.

[parkerman]

It would have been a bit difficult for Emma to have phoned Lucy and then met her unless she was a psychic!

[Glen1]

It would have been a bit difficult for Emma to have phoned Lucy and then met her unless she was a psychic!
As Eric used to say Ernie "He's in like a flash " Nice one Mr.P.:)

[Glen1]

Lauren has her Eureka moment, with " 18th April Missing Hours 22.00 - 0800..Doesn't add up "
Why has this helped Lauren ? :hmm:

[vcdg84]

I think it was the phone number rather than the other info. Think she recognised it, but not sure why that would show her who the murderer was. Number could be on there for any reason....

[xx_Dan_xx]

The thing is, if Lauren has worked out who killed Lucy why does she now need to break into Emma's phone. She is no detective so I don't think its to find evidence as I think she'd tell the Police or confront them and why does she even know she has look at Emma's phone in the first place.

Its also a bit lazy of the killer to not even bother trying to get rid of those messages/call logs.

[xx_Dan_xx]

So I found a picture that someone might have figured out what the numbers are referring to. There is no 1 at the end so there's a possibility its wrong but...

http://photos-f.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xap1/t51.2885-15/1738011_1082958591730477_1550784836_n.jpg

[parkerman]

I don't understand your point, Dan, That just shows it is not the phone number for Brannings Autos but is a Walford number.

[xx_Dan_xx]

I don't understand your point, Dan, That just shows it is not the phone number for Brannings Autos but is a Walford number.

The number is verrry close and it still might be.

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[parkerman]

It's not really close. 0002 is completely different to 0221.

[xx_Dan_xx]

It's not really close. 0002 is completely different to 0221.

For some reason I thought it had an extra 2 and thought only the 1 was wrong. Guess your right

[xx_Dan_xx]

It's not really close. 0002 is completely different to 0221.

For some reason I thought it had an extra 2 and thought only the 1 was wrong. Guess your right

[owenlee4me]

I think it was possibly Peter's number and that is why Lauren is acting strained with him, but that does not mean it's him?
It's just a decoy.
Why would the number be wrote down so random? surely a detective would not just scribble it on a corner of paper and the file not be secured in a breifcase or sometihng?
nah it's bonkers, it's not Peter, Lauren is just baffled!!!

[owenlee4me]

I think it was possibly Peter's number and that is why Lauren is acting strained with him, but that does not mean it's him?
It's just a decoy.
Why would the number be wrote down so random? surely a detective would not just scribble it on a corner of paper and the file not be secured in a breifcase or sometihng?
nah it's bonkers, it's not Peter, Lauren is just baffled!!!

[sarah c]

I think the number is the Beale household and therefore my vote goes to Jane as Lucy's murderer

[owenlee4me]

Wonder why Jane would murder her? Oh I hope so, they can bang her up and she will be gone, not keen on her, she always makes me think she's Ian mother, and something has to stop the wedding, we all know it's not gonna happen!
Good thinking!!! SArah C

[owenlee4me]

Wonder why Jane would murder her? Oh I hope so, they can bang her up and she will be gone, not keen on her, she always makes me think she's Ian mother, and something has to stop the wedding, we all know it's not gonna happen!
Good thinking!!! SArah C

[sarah c]

Jane catches Luchy taking or handling cocaine in the house or in her room - lashes out annoyed at her, Lucy bangs her head and dies - jane shifts the body pdq - thus not being in masood's house when she claimed to 'see' Lauren approach the Beale's house - as we know you cant see that front door ffrom masoods'

[tammyy2j]

So does Lauren now know who the killer is?

I think Peter and Abi and Max and even Whitney are too obvious

Is Billy ruled out?

[moonstorm]

Well I am gong to throw my hat in the ring and say it was Jane!

[xx_Dan_xx]

So does Lauren now know who the killer is?

I think Peter and Abi and Max and even Whitney are too obvious

Is Billy ruled out?

Billy was ruled out in new years episode when the list of suspects was reduced to 14.

[parkerman]

Well I am gong to throw my hat in the ring and say it was Jane!
You do realise that if you're wrong you have to perform another of your famous naked dances don't you?

[moonstorm]

You do realise that if you're wrong you have to perform another of your famous naked dances don't you?

Hahahahaha, I thought you were still scarred after the last one!

[moonstorm]

You do realise that if you're wrong you have to perform another of your famous naked dances don't you?

Hahahahaha, I thought you were still scarred after the last one!

[lizann]

You do realise that if you're wrong you have to perform another of your famous naked dances don't you?

come on moonie dancing time

[lizann]

You do realise that if you're wrong you have to perform another of your famous naked dances don't you?

come on moonie dancing time

[moonstorm]

I think we should let me see our more refined side this time Lizann, do you think you could still manage a wee bit of Swan Lake???? :lol:

[xx_Dan_xx]

I don't think its the Cokers, Cindy or Lee as they have seem to calm down in that storyline. Don't seem to be involved in any way recently and haven't read anything that sees them involved leading up to the live episode. Ben and Jay have also been rather quiet with the storyline.

[Perdita]

Still waters that run deep????

[parkerman]

come on moonie dancing time
Oooh-er!

[lizann]

I think we should let me see our more refined side this time Lizann, do you think you could still manage a wee bit of Swan Lake???? :lol:

tutus optional this time the weather is cold

[Kissinger]

I think it is still Abbie, it's all very quiet round her, if Jane is suppose to be this wonderful Maternal woman, would she really kill a child of the man she is going to marry, worse still, know she had done it and then went onto Marry him? I think Lauren being strained with Peter is to try and trick us, so I don't think it's him.
Then of course Nick is still here, and he is a "druggie" he has form too.
Oh we will all be glued to Tv next week, and folks EE is on twice on Thursday, so make sure you don't miss one.
EN~JOY

[Dazzle]

This (https://uk.beamly.com/exclusives//eastenders-investigator-killed-lucy-beale-moneys-jane-twist/?sid=14237613144024356&utm_source=web&utm_medium=external_share&utm_campaign=article_page_share&utm_content=a:w:31c281d540895a64342595b07c0ec47c) is an interesting article which agrees with Dan's theory that Jane's the killer. There's lots of clues pointing to Jane all right.

The only part of the article I possibly disagree with is that Jane deleted a text to Lucy. The police would already know about it (if it happened), so what would be the point in Jane deleting it? She would've already had to have given a believable excuse to the police. Maybe she wanted to hide it from Ian?

[xx_Dan_xx]

This (https://uk.beamly.com/exclusives//eastenders-investigator-killed-lucy-beale-moneys-jane-twist/?sid=14237613144024356&utm_source=web&utm_medium=external_share&utm_campaign=article_page_share&utm_content=a:w:31c281d540895a64342595b07c0ec47c) is an interesting article which agrees with Dan's theory that Jane's the killer. There's lots of clues pointing to Jane all right.

The only part of the article I possibly disagree with is that Jane deleted a text to Lucy. The police would already know about it (if it happened), so what would be the point in Jane deleting it? She would've already had to have given a believable excuse to the police. Maybe she wanted to hide it from Ian?

Which text did they delete? I am aware you can see texts that were sent but can you actually get the contents of texts?

[xx_Dan_xx]

This (https://uk.beamly.com/exclusives//eastenders-investigator-killed-lucy-beale-moneys-jane-twist/?sid=14237613144024356&utm_source=web&utm_medium=external_share&utm_campaign=article_page_share&utm_content=a:w:31c281d540895a64342595b07c0ec47c) is an interesting article which agrees with Dan's theory that Jane's the killer. There's lots of clues pointing to Jane all right.

The only part of the article I possibly disagree with is that Jane deleted a text to Lucy. The police would already know about it (if it happened), so what would be the point in Jane deleting it? She would've already had to have given a believable excuse to the police. Maybe she wanted to hide it from Ian?

Which text did they delete? I am aware you can see texts that were sent but can you actually get the contents of texts?

[Dazzle]

Which text did they delete? I am aware you can see texts that were sent but can you actually get the contents of texts?

A text being deleted by Jane is just speculation by the author of the article. Yes, I think you're right that the police wouldn't be able to see the contents of the text, which would mean she'd have a harder time explaining it to Ian (if he read it) rather than to the police.

[Glen1]

I think both yours Dazzle and Dans' case for Jane very plausible. The way Lauren was talking in tonights episode about destroying a family if the truth got out, also seems to point towards the Beale family. Would she just stand by though and let Ian marry Jane without saying something beforehand, particularly with her relationship with Peter . Latest betting odds Fav Jane, 2nd Abi, 3rd Ben.

[xx_Dan_xx]

I think both yours Dazzle and Dans' case for Jane very plausible. The way Lauren was talking in tonights episode about destroying a family if the truth got out, also seems to point towards the Beale family. Would she just stand by though and let Ian marry Jane without saying something beforehand, particularly with her relationship with Peter . Latest betting odds Fav Jane, 2nd Abi, 3rd Ben.

She will apparently write in Ian and Jane's wedding card something and Jane is the first to read it.

[xx_Dan_xx]

I think both yours Dazzle and Dans' case for Jane very plausible. The way Lauren was talking in tonights episode about destroying a family if the truth got out, also seems to point towards the Beale family. Would she just stand by though and let Ian marry Jane without saying something beforehand, particularly with her relationship with Peter . Latest betting odds Fav Jane, 2nd Abi, 3rd Ben.

She will apparently write in Ian and Jane's wedding card something and Jane is the first to read it.

[lizann]

bobby and cindy did it jane is covering up for them

[Dazzle]

I think both yours Dazzle and Dans' case for Jane very plausible. The way Lauren was talking in tonights episode about destroying a family if the truth got out, also seems to point towards the Beale family.

My favourite all along has been Peter actually but given what Lauren said to Stacey that it'd destroy the lives of people she cares about if she tells all, it sounds to me like she could be afraid of hurting Peter if the truth gets out. If she thought he was the killer I think she'd have worded it more along the lines of it destroying her own life so I'm doubting it's him now.

What I definitely took from that conversation was that the killer's almost certainly a Beale or a Branning. I think my favourite is Jane now.


bobby and cindy did it jane is covering up for them

Yes, Jane might well be covering from someone.

[Siobhan]

I haven't seen ee in ages but i think jane or peter

[Dougie]

Yes, Jane might well be covering from someone.[/QUOTE]

Jane definately knows something...

[tammyy2j]

Could Jane really kill Lucy even as an accident and live like nothing happened, Jane and Denise seemed close to Lucy as substitute mothers could they really kill her?

Where is Cindy, she hasn't been seen in a while, if she killed her she couldn't move the body of her own

[tammyy2j]

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[Dazzle]

Could Jane really kill Lucy even as an accident and live like nothing happened...

You could say the same for all the suspects though. If it turns out to be a character close to Lucy it is going to be unrealistic that their inner turmoil didn't give them away to us viewers.

As someone pointed out, Jane could be remarrying Ian because of guilt (otherwise I'm stumped at why she's putting herself through that again :searchme:).

[lizann]

they are building jane up way too much to be the killer

[tammyy2j]

they are building jane up way too much to be the killer

Yes especially her scenes with Lauren and Ian tonight and her no one is perfect speech

[Perdita]

BBC One has teased the conclusion of the Lucy Beale murder mystery storyline in two new trailers.

The plot is due to reach its climax during the EastEnders 30th anniversary celebrations, which are to be marked by a week of live scenes and episodes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0UxpE_dq34
Narrated by Dot Cotton - who played a part in her own son's demise during tonight's episode (February 13) - the first trailer features all of the soap's prime suspects and a chilling analysis of what it means to be a murderer.

The second trailer focuses on the speculation surrounding the storyline, and includes members of the public (as well as Radio 1 Breakfast Show host Nick Grimshaw and Radio 2 presenter Sara Cox) revealing who they believe killed Lucy (Hetti Bywater).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mx7FX3lCzc

Billed as 'The week of revelations', EastEnders live week begins next Tuesday (February 17) at 7.30pm.

Episodes airing on Tuesday, Wednesday (February 18) and Thursday (February 19) will include clearly highlighted live inserts, ahead of an entire live episode that will be screened on Friday (February 20).

Thursday's hour-long episode will see the killer unmasked and will be followed by a special 30-minute flashback show that will take viewers back to Good Friday 2014, where they will see the true sequence of events that led to Lucy's death.

[Dazzle]

they are building jane up way too much to be the killer

Very true. Jane was downright creepy during her conversion with Lauren in the Beale's kitchen, so her being the killer is probably a misdirection on the part of the writers.

Who's the unlikeliest person to have done it within the Beale/Branning circle? I keep coming back to Peter and I can't remember him getting any scenes where he looked overtly suspicious (as just about everyone else has done). Obviously Lauren's recent behaviour around him has been suspicious, but that applies to virtually all the suspects. Has Peter been singled out by the writers as behaving suspiciously or guiltily? I can't remember it but then my memory's not great. Cindy's another one who I don't think's been under much scrutiny.

The least likely person within that circle is Lauren herself, given the way she's been behaving the last few episodes. There are theories that she was drunk and couldn't remember doing it (and that someone else helped move the body etc) but I don't really buy that.

I still feel Jane could be involved, possibly in a cover-up. I can see her covering for both Peter and Cindy if she thought Lucy's death was a tragic accident. Cindy being pregnant would also make it more likely that someone would cover for her.

I can't really see Bobby having played a big part because that would be anti-climactic.

[xx_Dan_xx]

Very true. Jane was downright creepy during her conversion with Lauren in the Beale's kitchen, so her being the killer is probably a misdirection on the part of the writers.

Who's the unlikeliest person to have done it within the Beale/Branning circle? I keep coming back to Peter and I can't remember him getting any scenes where he looked overtly suspicious (as just about everyone else has done). Obviously Lauren's recent behaviour around him has been suspicious, but that applies to virtually all the suspects. Has Peter been singled out by the writers as behaving suspiciously or guiltily? I can't remember it but then my memory's not great. Cindy's another one who I don't think's been under much scrutiny.

The least likely person within that circle is Lauren herself, given the way she's been behaving the last few episodes. There are theories that she was drunk and couldn't remember doing it (and that someone else helped move the body etc) but I don't really buy that.

I still feel Jane could be involved, possibly in a cover-up. I can see her covering for both Peter and Cindy if she thought Lucy's death was a tragic accident. Cindy being pregnant would also make it more likely that someone would cover for her.

I can't really see Bobby having played a big part because that would be anti-climactic.

I still think its Jane. Its going to be a double-bluff.

[xx_Dan_xx]

More evidence supporting the Jane theory and I predicted she never saw Lauren that night.


Another major clue. Jane's car was missing in Fatboy's video so how could she have seen Lauren approaching the Beale's house like she said she did ?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/20507_324567414399439_2412019719558551038_n.jpg?oh =d5fdb95028546ec1fe8127f88caf6aef&oe=5550FC6C&__gda__=1435469057_0e8ad19e7352d559a8446b6563fb4a0 c

[xx_Dan_xx]

The actress who plays Lauren had her baby on Sunday the 15th. I'm not familiar with the mechanics of birth but surely she wont be in the live episodes ?. Being close to the live episodes, the producers would of had to plan around it because she could of gone into labour on the day. Now she's given birth she may not be ready for to perform a live 1 hour episode then a live half hour episode then next day not to mention not being with her daughter.

[Dazzle]

The actress who plays Lauren had her baby on Sunday the 15th. I'm not familiar with the mechanics of birth but surely she wont be in the live episodes ?. Being close to the live episodes, the producers would of had to plan around it because she could of gone into labour on the day. Now she's given birth shy may not be ready for to perform a live 1 hour episode then a live half hour episode then next day not to mention not being with her daughter.

It's unlikely she'll have a big part in the proceedings and may not be there at all.

My daughter recently gave birth with no complications and was up and about within half an hour. The trouble was that she was truly exhausted for weeks afterwards (the strain on the body is like running several marathons). Plus, even a short scene would probably mean hours away from the baby.

[owenlee4me]

Probably NIck, only now he's dead what can they do about it?????????

[tammyy2j]

I have put a wager (small) on Ian and/or Cindy as the killer(s)

Jane does seem the likeliness now for all the hints and clues given by the writers

[tammyy2j]

Lucy has her bag and phone in one photo but didn't Ben and Jay rob them?

[Dazzle]

I always wondered if Emma's obsession with the video had more to do with the car(s) parked by the Beale house than with Lauren.

[tammyy2j]

I always wondered if Emma's obsession with the video had more to do with the car(s) parked by the Beale house than with Lauren.

Whose car was moved Jane or Ian or Max, who else has a car that would be parked by their house?

[tammyy2j]

I really want to know what Dean or Kim helped Emma realise in the pub

[owenlee4me]

Lucy has her bag and phone in one photo but didn't Ben and Jay rob them?

Yes and did they not bury them in the allotment and Denise dug it up?

[owenlee4me]

I have put a wager (small) on Ian and/or Cindy as the killer(s)

Jane does seem the likeliness now for all the hints and clues given by the writers

Wonder if that's deliberate to throw us off scent, and would Emma have Janes mobile number?
I keep thinking back to how Abbie was acting strange when Lucy died and how she was always so "normal" , hmmm I wonder

[lizann]

One theory I have read is that Max thinks Abi did it and Abi thinks he did it but really it was Cindy and Jane

The Graham Norton Show EE special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpEzTZvc9S4&feature=player_embedded

could be true after tonight

[lizann]

One theory I have read is that Max thinks Abi did it and Abi thinks he did it but really it was Cindy and Jane

The Graham Norton Show EE special

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpEzTZvc9S4&feature=player_embedded

could be true after tonight

[Kissinger]

could be true after tonight

I'm wondering abuot Whitney, why is she at the wedding? she is there in the background, so kind of
on the Square, but I can't figure why she is at the wedding, she is not really anything to Jane or Ian.
Have I missed something? :hmm:

[lizann]

I'm wondering abuot Whitney, why is she at the wedding? she is there in the background, so kind of
on the Square, but I can't figure why she is at the wedding, she is not really anything to Jane or Ian.
Have I missed something? :hmm:

neither is linda or sonia or carol or so so so

all suspects for lucy has to be at the wedding

[lizann]

I'm wondering abuot Whitney, why is she at the wedding? she is there in the background, so kind of
on the Square, but I can't figure why she is at the wedding, she is not really anything to Jane or Ian.
Have I missed something? :hmm:

neither is linda or sonia or carol or so so so

all suspects for lucy has to be at the wedding

[Kissinger]

neither is linda or sonia or carol or so so so

all suspects for lucy has to be at the wedding

I can kind of understand CArol being there, as she has known Ian and Jane with working in the cafe, but your right about Sonia and Linda, bit daft?

[Kissinger]

neither is linda or sonia or carol or so so so

all suspects for lucy has to be at the wedding

I can kind of understand CArol being there, as she has known Ian and Jane with working in the cafe, but your right about Sonia and Linda, bit daft?

[tammyy2j]

The Carters are every one's friends :p especially Mick and Linda

[Perdita]

I think if you live this closely together and have daily dealings with each other by going to the pub, cafe, launderette, buy things from market stall holders (Winston should be there too!!!) you would expect the whole neighbourhood to be at a wedding at some stage during the day

[parkerman]

I think if you live this closely together and have daily dealings with each other by going to the pub, cafe, launderette, buy things from market stall holders (Winston should be there too!!!) you would expect the whole neighbourhood to be at a wedding at some stage during the day
Winston is there. We saw him yesterday.

[Perdita]

I meant at the wedding .... Any more news on whether he has quit his market stall as you mentioned a while back, parkerman ??

[parkerman]

I meant at the wedding .... Any more news on whether he has quit his market stall as you mentioned a while back, parkerman ??
Yes, he was waiting at the wedding venue.

[Kissinger]

I think if you live this closely together and have daily dealings with each other by going to the pub, cafe, launderette, buy things from market stall holders (Winston should be there too!!!) you would expect the whole neighbourhood to be at a wedding at some stage during the day

Guess it is kind of a close community, and guess it's a case of, is it the "ceremony" or just the reception? :hmm:

[Dazzle]

The killer is one of the Beale's, likely Cindy or Ian! I think Jane knows all and is involved in the cover up but is not the killer. I don't think it's Peter since he made the accusation.

Cindy's my favourite, although Adam Woodyatt pulled a classic Ian looking guilty face at the end there - complete with a lizard-like lick of the lips! :D

[Kissinger]

The killer is one of the Beale's, likely Cindy or Ian! I think Jane knows all and is involved in the cover up but is not the killer. I don't think it's Peter since he made the accusation.

Cindy's my favourite, although Adam Woodyatt pulled a classic Ian looking guilty face at the end there - complete with a lizard-like lick of the lips! :D

POssible it's Cindy, but was she not pregnant then? (I can't remember!) so has she enlisted the help of Jane to move Lucy?
I just keep thinking who can not be in the programme? so that would mean Jane, (Filming for Waterloo Rd??)
But also, it mentions that Detective (forgot her name) in a TV mag, is back on the Sq next week, so maybe it is not so: simple :hmm:

[Dazzle]

POssible it's Cindy, but was she not pregnant then? (I can't remember!) so has she enlisted the help of Jane to move Lucy?

Yes, I believe Cindy was pregnant at the time, which is a believable reason that Jane could be convinced to help move the body and cover up the killing (I'm assuming as long as she believed it was a tragic accident).

[xx_Dan_xx]

If Cindy did do it, I don't imagine she'd give her daughter the music box we think that killed Lucy.

[Dazzle]

If Cindy did do it, I don't imagine she'd give her daughter the music box we think that killed Lucy.

I've heard a theory that Emma did that to provoke a reaction, which I think is believable.

[Dazzle]

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[Kissinger]

Yes, I believe Cindy was pregnant at the time, which is a believable reason that Jane could be convinced to help move the body and cover up the killing (I'm assuming as long as she believed it was a tragic accident).

I just keep thinking back to Emma on the Mobile Phone, why would Emma ring someone unless she knew them quite well and arrange to meet them? :hmm:
And she gave the impression that the "killer" did not mean to do it, so if Cindy was rowing with Lucy in the Beale HOuse, and bashed her on the head, maybe Jane helped to cover it up?
But it kind of seems far fetched I think.
It was probably NIck Cotton trying to steal drugs from Lucy and he did it!!!!
Seems my guess it being Abbie was wrong, drat:wall:

[parkerman]

Why was Les Coker brought into it again tonight looking shifty?

[tammyy2j]

If Bobby did it, he would have spilled to Tiffany by now

[Kissinger]

Why was Les Coker brought into it again tonight looking shifty?

to trick us?

[Kissinger]

Why was Les Coker brought into it again tonight looking shifty?

to trick us?

[owenlee4me]

"If Bobby did it, he would have spilled to Tiffany by now"

:bow: well he managed to keep stum to Tiffany!
I honestly never saw that coming :searchme:

[tammyy2j]

Bobby the new evil Damien :p How did Emma figure out it was Bobby or did she think it was Jane?

[xx_Dan_xx]

There is probably still more to it. Jane is great and all but there is no way she has kept this quiet and gotten away with it for this long without some "help".

[Dazzle]

There is probably still more to it. Jane is great and all but there is no way she has kept this quiet and gotten away with it for this long with some "help".

Yeah it would be good if there was still more to come. Maybe Cindy came downstairs and discovered them with Lucy's body?

[tammyy2j]

Was Lucy going to Miami with Ben and Jay?

[owenlee4me]

Bobby the new evil Damien :p How did Emma figure out it was Bobby or did she think it was Jane?

So they let us think it was Jane before the first break.
Let us Think it's Bobby before the 2nd break.
So is it neither?

it's a bit mixed, coz Emma was on the phone to "Bobby"? Nah
and how would a kid that small go for Lucy and her not sort him out?
and Jane getting Bobby over to Masood's looks convincing (to protect him--from what?)

Hmmm me think's we still don't know :angry:

[tammyy2j]

Did something happen between Lucy and Billy too sexually or was he after her?

I am dissecting the episodes and have much more questions now :o

[Dazzle]

Did something happen between Lucy and Billy too sexually or was he after her?

Those photos Billy had still need to be explained.

[xx_Dan_xx]

Bobby the new evil Damien :p How did Emma figure out it was Bobby or did she think it was Jane?

Whose Damien?

[tammyy2j]

Whose Damien?

Damien is the evil kid from the film The Omen

Del called his son Damien which scared Rodney on Only Fools and Horses it was very funny :p

[tammyy2j]

I want to know how Emma clicked it was Jane and/or Bobby

[Dazzle]

Whose Damien?

From the Omen films. He was the devil disguised as a human and was outright evil from the day he was born.

Edit: cross posted with tammy!

[nettapet]

I want to know how Emma clicked it was Jane and/or Bobby

My guess would be that after looking at photographs of the layout of the square (which we saw Emma looking at after she received the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house) that she realised Jane had given Lauren a false alibi. Jane said she saw Lauren from the Masood's window & she never entered the Beale house, but looking at maps of the square there's no way you can see the front door of the Beale's house from the Masood house.

[nettapet]

I want to know how Emma clicked it was Jane and/or Bobby

My guess would be that after looking at photographs of the layout of the square (which we saw Emma looking at after she received the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house) that she realised Jane had given Lauren a false alibi. Jane said she saw Lauren from the Masood's window & she never entered the Beale house, but looking at maps of the square there's no way you can see the front door of the Beale's house from the Masood house. Also looking at the video Emma would have seen that Jane's car wasn't in the square so how could she have been at the Masood house when her car wasn't there, which would account for Emma's statement to Max when he put her in the car to go to hospital, she said 'It wasn't there'.

[parkerman]

My guess would be that after looking at photographs of the layout of the square (which we saw Emma looking at after she received the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house) that she realised Jane had given Lauren a false alibi. Jane said she saw Lauren from the Masood's window & she never entered the Beale house, but looking at maps of the square there's no way you can see the front door of the Beale's house from the Masood house.
Wouldn't the police have realised this?



Oh, sorry, my mistake, it's the soap police.

[parkerman]

Dan syndrome...

[nettapet]

Wouldn't the police have realised this?



Oh, sorry, my mistake, it's the soap police.

The police weren't aware that the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house existed, only Emma saw the video (as far as I'm aware) it was to Emma that Jane gave Lauren an alibi.

[nettapet]

Wouldn't the police have realised this?



Oh, sorry, my mistake, it's the soap police.

The police weren't aware that the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house existed, only Emma saw the video (as far as I'm aware) it was to Emma that Jane gave Lauren an alibi.

[sarah c]

Lauren has her Eureka moment, with " 18th April Missing Hours 22.00 - 0800..Doesn't add up "
Why has this helped Lauren ? :hmm:

it is the time during which jane's car was missing from the square I think? around 10pm which Emma deduced from her watching the videos etc

and the phone number is the beale house - but not sure where that came in...? Bobby rang Jane's mobile so the call was FROM the house not too it...?

I think Emma and then Lauren realised that the murder happened in the house, but not necessarily who did it

Emma met with Jane at the park

[xx_Dan_xx]

I am still interested in why Jane sent Beth the music box as a Christmas present. Some are saying it was Emma but Jane would of hidden it because its a murder weapon and how would Emma even get it in the first place. I hope Bobby doesn't turn into Ben. I also hope this isn't the end of Jane - I'd like to see her in the show and how the future will be affected and if she reveals all, will Ian understand?

More importantly if Ian finds out about Bobby, will he keep quiet too? o.O

[nettapet]

I am still interested in why Jane sent Beth the music box as a Christmas present. Some are saying it was Emma but Jane would of hidden it because its a murder weapon and how would Emma even get it in the first place. I hope Bobby doesn't turn into Ben. I also hope this isn't the end of Jane - I'd like to see her in the show and how the future will be affected and if she reveals all, will Ian understand?

More importantly if Ian finds out about Bobby, will he keep quiet too? o.O


Maybe it was Bobby who sent the music box to Beth?

[nettapet]

I am still interested in why Jane sent Beth the music box as a Christmas present. Some are saying it was Emma but Jane would of hidden it because its a murder weapon and how would Emma even get it in the first place. I hope Bobby doesn't turn into Ben. I also hope this isn't the end of Jane - I'd like to see her in the show and how the future will be affected and if she reveals all, will Ian understand?

More importantly if Ian finds out about Bobby, will he keep quiet too? o.O


Maybe it was Bobby who sent the music box to Beth?

[parkerman]

The police weren't aware that the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house existed, only Emma saw the video (as far as I'm aware) it was to Emma that Jane gave Lauren an alibi.
Lauren was a prime suspect. What alibi did she give to DI Keeble and how did DI Keeble follow it up...or did the police stop investigating when Emma was taken off the case?

[sarah c]

Lauren was a prime suspect. What alibi did she give to DI Keeble and how did DI Keeble follow it up...or did the police stop investigating when Emma was taken off the case?

she said she was at Roxy's party didnt she?

which when the fat-boy video came out showed she was missing

[Kissinger]

Blimey us lot are certainly checking out all the albis and dotting the i's and xing the t's. :nono:
Hope the producers are well sorted with their story!!!

[nettapet]

Lauren was a prime suspect. What alibi did she give to DI Keeble and how did DI Keeble follow it up...or did the police stop investigating when Emma was taken off the case?

Lauren told Keeble she was at Roxy's party but had left early to go home. It was only when the video was discovered on Fatboy's phone that anyone knew she'd gone to the Beale's house, only one's that knew about the video were Fatboy, Lee & Emma.

[Dazzle]

I am still interested in why Jane sent Beth the music box as a Christmas present. Some are saying it was Emma but Jane would of hidden it because its a murder weapon and how would Emma even get it in the first place.

Ian said he'd given the music box to the charity shop so anyone could have bought it. I still think it was most likely to have been Emma as she was watching everyone suspiciously Christmas Day. It's credible that she put it under the tree to see people's reactions.


I also hope this isn't the end of Jane - I'd like to see her in the show and how the future will be affected and if she reveals all, will Ian understand?

More importantly if Ian finds out about Bobby, will he keep quiet too? o.O

I think Ian will keep quite and I don't think Jane's going anywhere. The story about how the Beale family deals with this is going to be ongoing from what I've heard.

[owenlee4me]

Ian said he'd given the music box to the charity shop so anyone could have bought it. I still think it was most likely to have been Emma as she was watching everyone suspiciously Christmas Day. It's credible that she put it under the tree to see people's reactions.



I think Ian will keep quite and I don't think Jane's going anywhere. The story about how the Beale family deals with this is going to be ongoing from what I've heard.

I'm curious as to why it showed Lucy opening the window shortly before she started writing her note/letter?
I know we have not seen how she died yet, but how on earth did she end up in the wood area?
Hardly likely, Jane moved the body on her own, so she must have had an accomplice?

[owenlee4me]

Ian said he'd given the music box to the charity shop so anyone could have bought it. I still think it was most likely to have been Emma as she was watching everyone suspiciously Christmas Day. It's credible that she put it under the tree to see people's reactions.



I think Ian will keep quite and I don't think Jane's going anywhere. The story about how the Beale family deals with this is going to be ongoing from what I've heard.

I'm curious as to why it showed Lucy opening the window shortly before she started writing her note/letter?
I know we have not seen how she died yet, but how on earth did she end up in the wood area?
Hardly likely, Jane moved the body on her own, so she must have had an accomplice?

[lizann]

My guess would be that after looking at photographs of the layout of the square (which we saw Emma looking at after she received the video of Lauren visiting the Beale house) that she realised Jane had given Lauren a false alibi. Jane said she saw Lauren from the Masood's window & she never entered the Beale house, but looking at maps of the square there's no way you can see the front door of the Beale's house from the Masood house.

emma had a light bulb moment too in the pub why?

[sarah c]

no it cannot have been Emma that 'gave' the music box to Beth - if as a police officer she knew it was the murder weapon she would never have compromised it by giving it away?

[Dazzle]

no it cannot have been Emma that 'gave' the music box to Beth - if as a police officer she knew it was the murder weapon she would never have compromised it by giving it away?

That's a fair point but maybe she didn't know anything for sure at that time and she did it to see who'd react? She hadn't even gone to the police after she'd talked to Jane (presumably) in the park so she wasn't in any rush to do anything official. She was probably about to go to the police when she was killed. (Remember she was no longer a police officer by this time.)

Cindy was possibly in on it as there's been a lot of looks between her and Jane this week. She may have helped Jane move the body. Why she'd put the music box under the tree I can't imagine though.

The best explanation I can think of why anyone would put the box there is to provoke a reaction and I can't think of anyone else who'd want to do that (unless somebody else guessed, but that's all getting too convoluted!).

[parkerman]

Now we know who killed Lucy, there's more questions than before we knew!

[tammyy2j]

We need Emma flashback episode how she solved this case :p

[owenlee4me]

Now we know who killed Lucy, there's more questions than before we knew!

That's my quandary too!
HOw on earth did Jane get Lucy off the floor, And--- how could she carry a dead body? parden the pun, but their a dead weight?
Are there no Street Camera's in Walford, there just about every where else, surely someone somewhere would have seen her? and not be seen, then dump her in the woods?

YOur right, so many more questions

[lizann]

i hope keeble don't stop investigating the case does she have fatboy video recording from his phone

[tammyy2j]

An upcoming twist in EastEnders will include a wrongful arrest being made in the Lucy Beale murder case.

Viewers found out during Live Week that young Bobby Beale was responsible for Lucy's death, after months of speculation about the killer.

EastEnders producer Dominic Treadwell-Collins has now revealed to The Mirror that Ian and Jane Beale's decision to conceal Bobby's crime will lead to an innocent party being wrapped up in the investigation.

"It is gut-wrenching how Jane is carrying the guilt of covering up what one of her children has done," the producer said. "Jane is the one who has this terrible secret. Bobby doesn't know the truth."

Treadwell-Collins continued: "Viewers have seen Ian and Jane decide to keep it a secret, but this story will keep going on. What I can reveal is that someone else – an innocent person – will be arrested for this murder.

"Then carrying this guilty secret comes back to haunt Ian and Jane. How can you keep that a secret when someone else is facing jail for a murder they didn't commit?

"As a parent, what do you do? Do you go to the police and tell them that person is not the killer because your own son did it? How far will they go to protect their child?"

Treadwell-Collins went on to describe the twist as "the beginning of the next story for the Beales".

[parkerman]

Well they should do it well, because they've already had a rehearsal with exactly the same storyline re-Nick Cotton cutting the brakes and Phil getting arrested. Nice to see how innovative they are being.

[lizann]

be interesting if peter was arrested who would ian choose then

[Dazzle]

be interesting if peter was arrested who would ian choose then

Now that I'd like to see!

I couldn't let an innocent person go to jail if I were in Ian and Jane's position, even if it were a stranger. I just couldn't live with myself. I doubt it'll come to that though. I know Jake was in prison for a while but he wasn't convicted of Lucy's murder. What would Jane have done if that'd happened?

We know that covering this up is going to come back to bite them big time.

[tammyy2j]

be interesting if peter was arrested who would ian choose then

Yes if Peter or Cindy or even Ben were arrested, I wonder what Ian especially would do

I think Jane would cover for Bobby no matter who was arrested

Ben's arrest could be Kathy's reason for returning

[owenlee4me]

be interesting if peter was arrested who would ian choose then

That's a good thought, if an innocent is to be arrested and Peter is leaving, that would take him nicely out of the soap? good one!!

[owenlee4me]

be interesting if peter was arrested who would ian choose then

That's a good thought, if an innocent is to be arrested and Peter is leaving, that would take him nicely out of the soap? good one!!

[Kim]

That's a good thought, if an innocent is to be arrested and Peter is leaving, that would take him nicely out of the soap? good one!!

I don't think that'll be Peter's way out. I'm sure Ian would choose Peter then, especially as it was his favourite that Bobby killed.

Cindy and it would probably be Bobby's side still - Cindy isn't his and blood's thicker than water.

Ben is more of a grey area. Maybe Ian would try to justify it as being Ben's punishment for mugging Lucy.

[lizann]

do you think ian and jane will set cindy up as the killer as now she is blackmailing them to get rid of beth

[Dazzle]

do you think ian and jane will set cindy up as the killer as now she is blackmailing them to get rid of beth

Wow that would be really twisted! :eek:

I can't see them being so cold and heartless, especially given they're fond of Cindy, but Jane especially has demonstrated how unpredictable she is. Plus she still has Lucy's phone hidden under the floorboards (as far as we know) which could possibly be used to set someone up. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-042296.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[maidmarian]

Wow that would be really twisted! :eek:

I can't see them being so cold and heartless, especially given they're fond of Cindy, but Jane especially has demonstrated how unpredictable she is. Plus she still has Lucy's phone hidden under the floorboards (as far as we know) which could possibly be used to set someone up. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-042296.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

I did hope that Jane would be murderer- mainly
because I dont like her- rather than think she
would be!! Ive always found her a very strange
character.!!And the producer did say from
early on - there was a gimmick-so wasnt that
shocked when it was Bobby!

If the story goes along the lines now predicted
- which I think is plausible- then if I was Jane
Id be afraid - very afraid.
Bobby is probably very disturbed but not
dim. Hes getting older and more aware
and think.quite capable of "dealing with" Jane!!

[maidmarian]

Dupl

[Dazzle]

Bobby is probably very disturbed but not
dim. Hes getting older and more aware
and think.quite capable of \\"dealing with\\" Jane!!

Jane, and anyone else who crosses him! http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/afraid/smileys-afraid-990255.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

[chartreuse]

@lizann - that was my thought too! We know that an innocent person will be accused - and Cindy slots right out of that family. Ian and Jane gave me the creeps yesterday - Cindy could feel she was being set up to look unhinged but could not control herself; it was spine chilling!

[lizann]

Wow that would be really twisted! :eek:

I can't see them being so cold and heartless, especially given they're fond of Cindy, but Jane especially has demonstrated how unpredictable she is. Plus she still has Lucy's phone hidden under the floorboards (as far as we know) which could possibly be used to set someone up. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-042296.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

jane would do anything to protect bobby and she now loves beth as her own also

[lizann]

Wow that would be really twisted! :eek:

I can't see them being so cold and heartless, especially given they're fond of Cindy, but Jane especially has demonstrated how unpredictable she is. Plus she still has Lucy's phone hidden under the floorboards (as far as we know) which could possibly be used to set someone up. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/devil/smileys-devil-042296.gif (http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/)

jane would do anything to protect bobby and she now loves beth as her own also

[xx_Dan_xx]

Jake Wood, Max Branning, is taking a year off I believe so I think its him that gets accused.

[tammyy2j]

Jake Wood, Max Branning, is taking a year off I believe so I think its him that gets accused.

I think it could be Liam with Cindy or on his own

[tammyy2j]

Eastenders fans are in for a shock this summer when a soap favourite is arrested for the murder of Lucy Beale.

Viewers know Lucy’s 11-year-old half-brother Bobby – played by Eliot Carrington – accidentally killed her when he hurled a music box at her head.

His stepmum Jane – Laurie Brett, 46 – covered up the death to protect the lad.

And husband Ian, played by Adam Woodyatt, 46, went along with it after discovering the truth.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/450466/eastenders-lucy-beale-fans-bbc-soap-opera

[lizann]

so the arrested party is a new suspect and soap favourite, was max and billy already suspects? could it be phil?

[Kim]

Max seems the obvious choice given Jake Wood's upcoming break but I'm thinking that it will be him. DTC did say that he'd taken inspiration from Broadchurch. I think something has to come of Max and David trying to dispose of that laptop. Perhaps the police will discover that CCTV was deleted from the car lot and without the footage (the laptop was burned) there'd be nothing to show that he didn't kill Lucy.

[lizann]

Max seems the obvious choice given Jake Wood's upcoming break but I'm thinking that it will be him. DTC did say that he'd taken inspiration from Broadchurch. I think something has to come of Max and David trying to dispose of that laptop. Perhaps the police will discover that CCTV was deleted from the car lot and without the footage (the laptop was burned) there'd be nothing to show that he didn't kill Lucy.

david wicks back arrested now that would be a surprising shock some revenge by ian to let him in jail

[lizann]

Max seems the obvious choice given Jake Wood's upcoming break but I'm thinking that it will be him. DTC did say that he'd taken inspiration from Broadchurch. I think something has to come of Max and David trying to dispose of that laptop. Perhaps the police will discover that CCTV was deleted from the car lot and without the footage (the laptop was burned) there'd be nothing to show that he didn't kill Lucy.

david wicks back arrested now that would be a surprising shock some revenge by ian to let him in jail

[lizann]

marsbar back to make arrest in lucy murder case do think it is a mitchell that is arrested now

[lizann]

if jane plants the wallet and phone in phil's house he will know the beales are setting ben up as he knew jane and ian had them

also is it not jay's prints on them?

[lizann]

if jane plants the wallet and phone in phil's house he will know the beales are setting ben up as he knew jane and ian had them

also is it not jay's prints on them?

[tammyy2j]

EastEnders fans will see the Lucy Beale case develop even further next week as someone is finally charged with her murder.

The huge moment in the storyline comes after the investigation takes more twists and turns over the next few days.

The unlucky Walford resident in question will be charged in next Tuesday's episode (July 28), leaving the individual's friends and family struggling to come to terms with the news.

In the aftermath, another of the locals resorts to some drastic measures for the sake of their family.

Firm details surrounding the Lucy storyline and its future have been kept closely under wraps to preserve the secrecy surrounding the ongoing plot.

We've already seen Ben Mitchell (Harry Reid) get wrongly arrested for Lucy's murder after the unlicensed taxi driver who took her back to the Square on Good Friday 2014 came forward and identified him.

The show's latest episode also hinted that Max Branning (Jake Wood) could be next to find himself wrongly in the frame as the cab driver also later identified him.

With big drama to come in Walford, will it be Ben, Max or someone else who gets charged?

[lizann]

don't think it will be max or ben now jay a possibility now he on run

[owenlee4me]

don't think it will be max or ben now jay a possibility now he on run

But is Max not leaving the soap, so it's quite possible to say it was him!

[owenlee4me]

don't think it will be max or ben now jay a possibility now he on run

But is Max not leaving the soap, so it's quite possible to say it was him!

[Perdita]

But is Max not leaving the soap, so it's quite possible to say it was him!

He is, yes, only temporarily though but could be long enough for him to be jailed

[lizann]

But is Max not leaving the soap, so it's quite possible to say it was him!

think the arrested will be a shock not the already arrested ben and max, max's temporary exit could be he is on run or off to visit lauren

[lizann]

But is Max not leaving the soap, so it's quite possible to say it was him!

think the arrested will be a shock not the already arrested ben and max, max's temporary exit could be he is on run or off to visit lauren

[Kim]

I think Max'll be jailed.

Lauren is returning as far as I know so they'll need a reason to split her and Peter up off screen. She'd be making herself a single mother before the child's even born/soon afterwards, so it'd have to be something pretty big such as this. I can't see them recasting Peter again already.

[owenlee4me]

He is, yes, only temporarily though but could be long enough for him to be jailed

I reckon he will be jailed, long enough for him to have his break, then the storyline will return and all will be revealed. phew----- talk about milking a story/plot

[owenlee4me]

He is, yes, only temporarily though but could be long enough for him to be jailed

I reckon he will be jailed, long enough for him to have his break, then the storyline will return and all will be revealed. phew----- talk about milking a story/plot

[lizann]

be great if it were abi arrested

[owenlee4me]

be great if it were abi arrested

oh it so would!!! she is a pain in the a**e

[owenlee4me]

be great if it were abi arrested

oh it so would!!! she is a pain in the a**e