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Does anyone know if Martin and Sonia break up over the whole Chloe custody battle as by the sound of things Martin is not supportive of Sonia wanting to get Chloe back. I hope they don't as they're about the only happily married couple in soaps.
Apart from Dot and Jim of course!
#1 Eastender
12-03-2005, 19:12
i think martin secretly wants to see chloe again but he is thinking of her in the long run, i think that he thinks that if he sees her again he will want to keep her but he knows that, that may not be as easy as it sounds
littlemo
12-03-2005, 23:18
I think Martin is concerned about Sonia, he's worried that this is going to turn into more heartache for her. Martin promised Sonia when they got married, that he was not going to let her down ever again, and that he was going to make her happy. I'm not sure how Martin feels about Chloe, but he's never had a chance to bond with her, so he probably doesn't feel much yet.
I very much doubt Martin and Sonia are going to break up over this. Natalie Cassidy (Sonia) seems to think they belong together, in an interview I read, she said she wanted them to be the next Pauline and Arthur. She said if the couple come out of this stronger than ever, it would show the audience that they're marraige will survive anything.
I really think that although Martin has his reservations about Chloe now, he will come round. If Sonia is really dead set on fighting for Chloe, he would have stand by her, if he loved her as much as he says he does. Martin has hurt her so much in the past, if he has a chance to make her happy, he should want that for her.
.:SpIcYsPy:.
13-03-2005, 09:38
Who was the father of Chloe? Jamie/Martin? I forgot. I really do hope that Sonia wins Chloe. I cant wait for this to happen, same week as Tina and Rubys arrival I think! Everythings going up a bit I guess this month!
di marco
13-03-2005, 09:53
martin was chloes father
littlemo
14-03-2005, 19:42
Yeah Sonia and Jamie started going out when she was about 5 months pregnant, but Sonia didn't know. When Sonia told Jamie Martin was the father he went mad, he went round and hit him, this was during Christmas day lunch.
It's strange how things work out isn't it? back then Jamie was the one taking care of Sonia and Martin was the selfish naughty school kid. Now Martin and Sonia are married and there is nothing Martin wouldn't do for her? (well I suppose time will tell).
emma_strange
15-03-2005, 18:16
I hope they do fight for custody and win. it would be nice to see them together again, and it would settle them down, make them realise pauline's right and they need to save their money instead of clubbing all the time
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
16-03-2005, 14:04
I hope they do fight for custody and win. it would be nice to see them together again, and it would settle them down, make them realise pauline's right and they need to save their money instead of clubbing all the time
Or alternatively, they could leave the little girl with her REAL family and have another shot at having a child that they don't abandon!
they did not abandon her !
sonia was only 15 she thought it was in chloes best interest. sonia was not in a stabel enough position to look after her. She loved her little girl and giving her up was the hardest decision she has ever made just as it is for every mother/father who has to do this .
But at the end of the day sonia was not ready and wanted chloe to have everything she didnt .
now sonia is more stable married and chloe has lost her apdopitive parents, Sonai will never stop being her mum, she could go to live with her grandparent but that why we have courts to decide what is best for the child !
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
16-03-2005, 15:12
they did not abandon her !
sonia was only 15 she thought it was in chloes best interest. sonia was not in a stabel enough position to look after her. She loved her little girl and giving her up was the hardest decision she has ever made just as it is for every mother/father who has to do this .
But at the end of the day sonia was not ready and wanted chloe to have everything she didnt .
now sonia is more stable married and chloe has lost her apdopitive parents, Sonai will never stop being her mum, she could go to live with her grandparent but that why we have courts to decide what is best for the child !
I've made my point and feelings clear about this on another thread. In my opinion, anyone that has their child adopted gives up their rights to the child. They are certainly not free to pick and choose when they pick up their relationship again - irrespective of how old the birth mother was when they gave him or her up. They give up their rights.
AND I do see it as abandoning actually as that is how I feel.
Bad Wolf
16-03-2005, 15:16
we all have our opinions and feelings, but this is a SOAP afterall, please don't get too aggressive xxx
I've made my point and feelings clear about this on another thread. In my opinion, anyone that has their child adopted gives up their rights to the child. They are certainly not free to pick and choose when they pick up their relationship again - irrespective of how old the birth mother was when they gave him or her up. They give up their rights.
AND I do see it as abandoning actually as that is how I feel.
well you are intiled to your opinion and so am I!
Im just saying that there are many reason why someone gives up their child for adoption and i dont think it is fair to put them all in the boat!
Yes some people do just abondon their babies and kids but not every one ! every case is different
Bad Wolf
16-03-2005, 15:37
this is not a place for an arguement, if you think a storyline is wrong then fair enough, but please respect other peoples opinions, there is no right or wrong in these situations
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
16-03-2005, 15:58
I'm not getting aggressive, I just find this particular storyline offensive to a certain population of viewers, myself being one of them. I have ceased watching EE now.
hope Martin and Sonia don't break up cause they make a great couple
Bad Wolf
16-03-2005, 17:05
I'm not getting aggressive, I just find this particular storyline offensive to a certain population of viewers, myself being one of them. I have ceased watching EE now.
hi, i really don't mean to cause offence, but i do think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, to be honest i think its a rubbish story line too, they should focus on her nursing and not dwell on her past x
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
17-03-2005, 09:01
I guess this is the first time a storyline in a soap has ever made my blood boil, mainly I suppose because I've actually been in the situation that the little girl is about to be in. I've had my life turned upside down because my natural parent wanted to rake up the past when I've been happily settled with my parents for 24 years (at the time).
I hope I haven't caused offence to anyone with my brash manner, I just feel offended by this storyline being aired as I know that people will see it as the green light to do the same thing. Having been on the receiving end to the past being raked up and seeing my adoptive parents and extended family hurt beyond all comprehension I will continue to feel aggrieved by this storyline. I don't think EE will ever really understand just how many people they have peed off with this and how many viewers are sick and tired with the 'blood is thicker then water' vomit they spew nearly every episode. Lets face it, this storyline is all about Sonia and how it affects her. It will all be from hers and martins perspective without a thought for what the other family are going through.
Bad Wolf
17-03-2005, 12:56
i'm sorry if i caused offence to you, i totally understand where you come from, there are thing happening in a rival soap which also make my blood boil, they focus on one point of view, and do not take in to account the effect this can have on the wider people involved, you should complain to the beeb? xxx
twinkle_eyes83
17-03-2005, 13:17
that would be good if martin an sonia got chloe back
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
17-03-2005, 13:55
i'm sorry if i caused offence to you, i totally understand where you come from, there are thing happening in a rival soap which also make my blood boil, they focus on one point of view, and do not take in to account the effect this can have on the wider people involved, you should complain to the beeb? xxx
Thanks Rachel, I've considered writing a complaint when I see how it pans out but to be honest, I've had enough of EE now. It's the same old same old and with the prospect of Phil Mitchell looming, I think thats it for me.
Im just saying that there are many reason why someone gives up their child for adoption and i dont think it is fair to put them all in the boat!
Yes some people do just abondon their babies and kids but not every one ! every case is different
I agree :)
littlemo
17-03-2005, 23:02
I can't wait for Phil Mitchell to come back, I think he's a great character. And as for Martin and Sonia, I want them to get Chloe back. I know it may not be realistic, but I feel so sad for Sonia, she loves her so much. Everyone Martin, Jim, Dot etc. thinks she's mad for wanting to see Chloe. Especially Martin feels that she is losing control, like when she kidnapped her, but I don't think he understands the full extent of how she's feeling.
I really feel he should give her some support and most of all give her a hug. I've read the spoilers and on the last day, Martin goes to see Chloe with Sonia, so it may be that he's trying to be there for her finally. It also seems he may change his mind in the future, from what i've read on the webcam.
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
18-03-2005, 12:52
I can't wait for Phil Mitchell to come back, I think he's a great character.
Sure he is if you like a completely exhausted character with an inaudible voice and a head like a potato. Dennis on the other hand, is something worth waiting for!
yeah i agree i can honestly say taht i have NOT missed phil at all. i dont see what he can do when he comes back!! i am looking forward to dennis return and the zoe thing coming out to her family who think she is perfect
To be honest, i think it is law.. once a child is adopted you have given up your rights.. it is different with fostering... i don't think you can contact a child you put up for adoption until 18.. this was made clear to sonia at the time
Yes, but this is about Sonia finding out that Chloe's adoptive parents have been killed in a car crash. Concerned for her daughter, she goes to the funeral just to make sure that the child is being taken care of. Unfortunately, it will open a can of worms because Sonia will not be able to see her daughter and then walk away. The following weeks will see how Sonia tries to cope with all the emotional problems that this will bring. EE are not saying that all natural parents can go and get their child, they've made it quite clear in the past that it cannot happen. It is only because Chloe is now technically an orphan that it becomes possible. We don't even know if Sonia tries to get her daughter back yet.
I realise that this will upset some people, but quite honestly drama always affects people in some way depending on their life experiences. There are always storylines that will touch a nerve.
littlemo
19-03-2005, 22:02
I can't wait for Phil Mitchell to come back, I think he's a great character.
Sure he is if you like a completely exhausted character with an inaudible voice and a head like a potato. Dennis on the other hand, is something worth waiting for!
I know Phil isn't much to look at, but I do like his character, he has something unique about him. He always provides good drama. I love Dennis too, he is great looking, and his character has many levels. He can show an emotional side and a hard side, which is not unlike Phil either.
littlemo
19-03-2005, 22:09
EE are not saying that all natural parents can go and get their child, they've made it quite clear in the past that it cannot happen. It is only because Chloe is now technically an orphan that it becomes possible. We don't even know if Sonia tries to get her daughter back yet.
I realise that this will upset some people, but quite honestly drama always affects people in some way depending on their life experiences. There are always storylines that will touch a nerve.
Yes I totally agree with those statements. It is possible now for Sonia to get her child back. She is capable of adopting Chloe like anyone else could. Chloe has been made an orphan, and although it may have been difficult for Sonia to get her back in the past, there have been a lot of changes.
I love that EE is able to tackle such storylines. They have always been able to do them justice in the past, and I'm sure they will succeed again. Natalie Cassidy and James Alexandrou are both brilliant actors, and I think it will be great!
littlemo
20-03-2005, 22:18
I read that it says in the Radio Times that Martin gains feelings for Chloe when he meets her, and him and Sonia are left with the decision to walk away or to fight for her.
The week after's spoilers don't mention Chloe at all, so I'm not sure whether they just leave it or if the writers are keeping it quiet. I think Sonia's feelings for her daughter are too strong for her to walk away permanently, she needs to know whether she is being well looked after.
Yeah I saw that in the Radio Times, I am so glad that Martin's feelings for Chloe develop as it makes it more interesting as we have always seen it from Sonia's point of view. It wil interesting to watch Martin meeting Chloe and changing his mind about whats best for her.
littlemo
21-03-2005, 21:07
Yes that's the way I feel. It would be great to see Martin get involved in his childs life, gain some feelings for her. Martin has never been given the chance to bond with his daughter, and I feel this is the ideal opportunity. I can't wait to see this episode, seeing them all together as a family.
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
22-03-2005, 12:12
Yes I totally agree with those statements. It is possible now for Sonia to get her child back. She is capable of adopting Chloe like anyone else could. Chloe has been made an orphan, and although it may have been difficult for Sonia to get her back in the past, there have been a lot of changes.
I love that EE is able to tackle such storylines. They have always been able to do them justice in the past, and I'm sure they will succeed again. Natalie Cassidy and James Alexandrou are both brilliant actors, and I think it will be great!
It's obvious you believe that Sonia should get her natural child back but what you fail to observe are the feelings that the adoptive family have. Yes, fair enough the adoptive parents have died and I noticed on another thread you and some others have discussed the prospect of Pauline taking the lead. Why should she when the little girl has got adoptive grandparents that love her? Is it because you honestly believe that no one could love the little girl more then Sonia and the 'blood' family? If that's the case, someone better inform all the adoptive families in britain that they've been wasting their time and to give the child back to where they come from because 'no one could love them more'! Thats basically what the storyline says to me.
People that adopt children very often cannot have kids of their own and this is the only way for them. They totally smother that child in love and it does not mean that they or their parents, or their parents parents, think of that child as anything less then family. Just because someone can get pregnant and have a child, doesn't mean that they are a mother.
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
22-03-2005, 12:15
I know Phil isn't much to look at, but I do like his character, he has something unique about him. He always provides good drama. I love Dennis too, he is great looking, and his character has many levels. He can show an emotional side and a hard side, which is not unlike Phil either.
My reasons for not wanting Phil to return are not as shallow as looks, more to do with the fact that the character has been completly used up in my opinion. I don't feel there is much more the character can do.
It's obvious you believe that Sonia should get her natural child back but what you fail to observe are the feelings that the adoptive family have. Yes, fair enough the adoptive parents have died and I noticed on another thread you and some others have discussed the prospect of Pauline taking the lead. Why should she when the little girl has got adoptive grandparents that love her? Is it because you honestly believe that no one could love the little girl more then Sonia and the 'blood' family? If that's the case, someone better inform all the adoptive families in britain that they've been wasting their time and to give the child back to where they come from because 'no one could love them more'! Thats basically what the storyline says to me.
People that adopt children very often cannot have kids of their own and this is the only way for them. They totally smother that child in love and it does not mean that they or their parents, or their parents parents, think of that child as anything less then family. Just because someone can get pregnant and have a child, doesn't mean that they are a mother.
i am really looking forward to see how this plot works out. i do not agree that sonia should get chloe back as she did give her rights up but it is good that eastenders has bough tup the fact that sonia still has feeling s for this child. i do think that the best outcome would be that chloe grandparents would be the best carers for her. she knows them the best and it would have been her parents wishes. surely chloes adoptive parents made a will in the event of this happening. when my son was born me and my husband made sure tghis was the first thing we did as we dreaded the thought of there being a big fight over who would look after him. now everyone knows let hope the situation never happens!
i hope that they show the emotion on both sides not just on sonia and martins and i really hope they that chose the most believable outcome and that is chloe staying with her grandparents or other members of her adoptive family
katwoman
22-03-2005, 13:51
i think its a very good storieline and if sonia and martin do get chloe they will make the perfect little family.
if sonia wants to have a family why dont her and martin start plannign for one instead of splitting up one!
Another baby is not going to change how she feels about Chloe/Rebecca,
Sonia needs and wants to check her child is going to be ok, I agree in some sense that it would probably be easier on the child to leave her with her adoptive family but i can also see that all sonia wants is the best for Her child.
RIP_Rubbish_Gangster
22-03-2005, 14:00
if sonia wants to have a family why dont her and martin start plannign for one instead of splitting up one!
I totally agree with you!
Another baby is not going to change how she feels about Chloe/Rebecca,
Sonia needs and wants to check her child is going to be ok, I agree in some sense that it would probably be easier on the child to leave her with her adoptive family but i can also see that all sonia wants is the best for Her child.
no another baby is not going to change how she feels about chloe nothing ever will but she gave her up for adoption. of course she will think about her and want her to be ok, but if she hadnt known who the parents were she would never have known that they had died. she wants what is best for chloe?? then let her stay with the people who have helped bring her up and not complete strangers.
I totally agree with you!
i have to admit when i first heard about this storyline i thought, what a fab plot but then as time goes on i just think that unless they keep chloe with her grandparents then it will be very unbelievable!!
People that adopt children very often cannot have kids of their own and this is the only way for them. They totally smother that child in love and it does not mean that they or their parents, or their parents parents, think of that child as anything less then family. Just because someone can get pregnant and have a child, doesn't mean that they are a mother.
I do agree there. However, I dont think the story's intention is trying to make a 'blood is thicker than water' point. It's just not the feel I'm getting from watching it and reading the interviews. I think it's more to do with Sonia's desperation to have her daughter back. There is no doubt in my mind that adoptive parents can love thier child more than thier natural parents because in my eyes then can, if not more. However to me, the portrayal of it all is Sonia's regret of letting her go and still loveing her. I beleive that Sonia knows that Chole's parents and extended family do love her. However, in Sonia's state of mind she is not thinking straight. It's like when Martin said 'Chloe is like a drug to her' and he is right. She cant let go. We all saw what happened last time so after reading that piece of devestateing news in the paper, it's completely natural for Sonia to be behaveing in such an irrational mannor. She may not be a mother to Chloe but she is her daughter and therefore is a part of her. Sonia has never stopped loveing her and it's something she has to live with everyday.
Currently I don't think that her intention is to get her daughter back. She's is worried for her and just want's to make sure she is ok but seeing Chloe again its bound to open up a can of worms for her and Sonia's love for Chloe may well cloud her better judgement. Sonia is a level headed strong female but if anyone or anything that can get to her it's Chloe. The more she will see her, the more she will want her back. Like you though, I do think that Chloe is best left where she is and disrupting her now will be more damage but I can see it from Sonia's viewpoint as well as Martin's. :)
I somehow have an incling (I could be wrong) that Sonia will not gain custody of Chloe in the end. I feel that the storyline is more to do with all the heatache, feelings and desperation of Sonia getting her daughter back and causeing friction between her and Matin in the process. However I don't think the outcome will be in her favour. We may see Sonia have some sort of breakdown afterwards if she doesn't get Chloe back. I'm likeing this storyline and I so think it's been the most compelling thing in a long time. Natlaie Cassidy is the finest young actress on the show and I'v always liked Sonia. It's great to see her at the center of another great storyline. She never fails to deliver.
I somehow have an incling (I could be wrong) that Sonia will not gain custody of Chloe in the end. I feel that the storyline is more to do with all the heatache, feelings and desperation of Sonia getting her daughter back and causeing friction between her and Matin in the process. However I don't think the outcome will be in her favour. We may see Sonia have some sort of breakdown afterwards if she doesn't get Chloe back. I'm likeing this storyline and I so think it's been the most compelling thing in a long time. Natlaie Cassidy is the finest young actress on the show and I'v always liked Sonia. It's great to see her at the center of another great storyline. She never fails to deliver.
i agree with you alisha that i do not think, at least i hope that eastenders do not go down the sonia gets custody route as i tihnk they wil be sending out the wrong message to people.
natalie cassidy id a very good actress particularly when playing this kind of role!! it is also good to see how martin is going to react as i felt he didnt really play a part at all in chloes adoption!! its a veru good storyline but they need to do the most realistic outcome and that is chloe staying with her adoptive family!
prettypayal
22-03-2005, 18:37
in one of the magazines james says that there might be a storyline that sonia gets pregnant. and next friday is where they leave it for a while
Angeldelight
22-03-2005, 19:01
i think it MAYBE a good storyline but both Sonia and Martin signed over their rights to be parents to Chloe/Rebecca and i understand that they just can't stop thinking about her. But the poor kid is 4 years old and has just lost her parents she's not going to understand and it's probably going to do more harm that good.
chamone256
22-03-2005, 19:27
apparently sonia was going to get depression :hmm: but since kh was sacked i don't know if this storyline does come around. I heard she gets pregnant too. :)
Lizzie Brookes
22-03-2005, 20:14
I think they should be together as a family all three of them. Chloe's "parents" are now dead, so surely something could be arranged so that her biological parents could potentially have her back. Things have change. Sonia's not cruel - she'll allow the adoptive family access.
Travelmom
22-03-2005, 20:55
Have we ever seen the adoptive grandparents? Are they fit enough to look after a toddler? It could be the way to go to get her back with Martin and Sonia if they happen to be to old to look after Chloe/Rebecca.
Just a thought.
littlemo
22-03-2005, 21:40
Yes I read that magazine, I think it said that there may be a storyline coming up which involves family, I'm not sure if they were necessairily talking about Chloe. James does say that this is where the story ends for now, but I don't think it's over. I've read quotes on webcam.
Something I read a few weeks ago was a conversation between Martin and Sonia, it seemed to be about Chloe (I'm not totally sure), Martin and Sonia were doing something serious they didn't want Pauline to know about. Jim and Dot were involved in the chat too.
I'm sure I read an interview with Natalie Cassidy as well that mentioned that this storyline goes on for months.
i think it MAYBE a good storyline but both Sonia and Martin signed over their rights to be parents to Chloe/Rebecca and i understand that they just can't stop thinking about her. But the poor kid is 4 years old and has just lost her parents she's not going to understand and it's probably going to do more harm that good.
But I don't think Martin did sign over his rights to Chloe. He wasn't named on her birth certificate so he wouldn't need to.
This story is more about Sonia's feelings and regrets about having her child adopted and I like it as it is so realistic. Not many women can have a child adopted and then live pain free. As Sonia said to Zoe, there is always a price to pay.
I don't know if Sonia and Martin will try and get custody of Chloe or leave her as she is, but Kay said at the funeral about how Chloe's gran didn't need all this at her time of life. It is all very emotive, but a judge would have to think what would be the best for the child in the long term. A young child with an older lady with problems that will only get bigger as they both age, or with a young couple who will probably give her siblings? Personally, I would like to see her back with her natural parents, but with her adoptive gran and family remaining part of her life. Whatever happens, if Chloe doesn't come into their lives now, she will in years to come.
littlemo
22-03-2005, 22:09
But I don't think Martin did sign over his rights to Chloe. He wasn't named on her birth certificate so he wouldn't need to.
This story is more about Sonia's feelings and regrets about having her child adopted and I like it as it is so realistic. Not many women can have a child adopted and then live pain free. As Sonia said to Zoe, there is always a price to pay.
I don't know if Sonia and Martin will try and get custody of Chloe or leave her as she is, but Kay said at the funeral about how Chloe's gran didn't need all this at her time of life. It is all very emotive, but a judge would have to think what would be the best for the child in the long term. A young child with an older lady with problems that will only get bigger as they both age, or with a young couple who will probably give her siblings? Personally, I would like to see her back with her natural parents, but with her adoptive gran and family remaining part of her life. Whatever happens, if Chloe doesn't come into their lives now, she will in years to come.
All very good points. Martin didn't sign his daughter away, he didn't know about Chloe being his child until after Sonia had given her up. He wasn't on the birth certificate, and at the time Sonia didn't want him involved in her life. Although there was the incident where Pauline wanted to adopt her, and Martin told her he wasn't interested. Whether that would go against Martin in a court of law, I'm not sure.
I am loving this storyline, and I thought the moment with Neil's cousin and Sonia tonight was interesting, when she mentioned the adopted gran not being fit to look after Chloe. It might be something which would go against the grandmother in court.
I really want Sonia and Martin to get her back, they would make a great family, and even if they went on to have 10 children it wouldn't replace Chloe/Rebecca as their daughter. I don't disagree it would be confusing for the child being placed with strangers, at this time, but it wouldn't be that way forever. Sooner or later things would become apparent. They could make her transfer into the Fowler family gradually, there wouldn't have to be a big rush about it.
but even if the gran isnt fit to look after chloe there may be other people, people who chloe knows and trusts that can look after her.
more children would not replace chloe but sonia gave her up she has to deal with that and move on!
littlemo
22-03-2005, 22:57
There could be others willing to take of her, but Neils cousin was with Chloe/Rebecca at the funeral. I am quite close too my cousins, but I would have thought an aunt or uncle would be more appropriate to take Chloe/Rebecca to her parents funeral.
The way the cousin was talking, it didn't seem the grandmother was coping very well, and I'm sure family members help out but it didn't seem that anyone had offerered to take her in.
yeah a aunt or uncle would have been better but surely they would have been inside. the cousin was outside as she didint want to upset chloe.
:nono:
The way the cousin was talking, it didn't seem the grandmother was coping very well, and I'm sure family members help out but it didn't seem that anyone had offerered to take her in.
You make an intresting point there. We can't automatically assume that aunts and uncles want to take Chloe in just because her adoptive parents have just passed away. For all we know, they may not want the responsbility. This may/may not be the case but it's yet to be seen. I dont doubt that they love Chloe but there is a difference between loveing a child and raiseing them and more importantly wanting to aswell. Thier choice shouldn't be under any 'obligation'.
We dont exactly know the circumstances of her extended family yet. They may already have children and dont want the extra burden. This is a possibility. They may feel that Sonia and Martin can offer Chloe alot more than they can. Only time will tell.......... :hmm:
You make good points Little Mo, that is a realistic scenario for Martin and Sonia to get Chloe back, I would love that to happen ! If not I just hope Martin and Sonia come through this stronger than ever. I am dying to know what happens , I was suprised to hear that the story ends next Friday, I thought they would decide to fight for custody after they both see Chloe together. The lack of spoilers is so frustrating , I really miss Tina Baker's weekly spoilers.
littlemo
23-03-2005, 23:05
Yes wouldn't it be great if there was some way Sonia and Martin could get their daughter back. I don't think it's the end of the storyline though. James said it was the end for a while, but I think it's going to come up again really soon. From what i've read this storyline is going to go on for months.
I couldn't believe it when I read that it is over next Friday. It seems a lot of fuss for a 2 week storyline, so I'm hoping that it will be back soon. I know Chloe is better off with her gran who she knows and loves, but her age does bother me. I'd certainly be happier if she was with younger people. Chloe could end up being a carer to an infirm, elderly lady or she could lose her at an age when it would be difficult to find someone to take her.
It would be nice if there was some way for them to get Chloe back without causing too much upset and involving everyone concerned - Alisha's idea is a good one!!
I don't think it's the end of the storyline though. James said it was the end for a while, but I think it's going to come up again really soon. From what i've read this storyline is going to go on for months.
Yeah....it may be the end temporarily but I think it will crop up again some time in the future. Martin may have a change of heart or the adoptive family may re-evulate thier decision (if they have already chosen to keep Chloe).
I think it will have a while to go yet. I'm likeing this storyline. :)
littlemo
23-03-2005, 23:29
Yes I think Rebecca should be eased slowly into the Fowler family. I know it would be confusing at first for her, but when she understands who Sonia and Martin are, I'm sure she'd adjust. Martin and Sonia could come and visit Chloe and her adopted gran at their home, maybe 3 times a week and get to know them. Then she could go and stay with them for weekends, get to know Pauline, Jim and Dot. She would have family that love her and a secure upbringing. Martin and Sonia love Chloe very much.
But then again to go from a family who live in a nice area and could give her everything she could want, to Walford is a big leap for a child. But it isn't really about material possessions, it's about love.
Sadly so far this storyline hasn't got off to the best start for me :(
I feel the whole thing has been rather coincidised (if you know what I mean!) I mean what would the likely-hood be of you reading about your daughter's adoptive parents dieing in a car crash, finding out where the funeral is and choosing to go, all on the night before the actual event?
There doesn't seem to be enough of anything there. Hopefully we'll see some evolution for the better in the coming weeks....
RealityGap
24-03-2005, 09:53
It is true that Chloe/Rebecca is now an orphan - BUT unless there is no family or friends that the adoptive parents have nominated for guardianship Chloe/Rebecca would not enter into the social service web again, and be replaced with another family. And even if this did happen it would be unlikely that Martin and Sonia would successfully manage to adopt her as they have not been through the adoption screening process (which on average takes 9mths)
I think that this is one story line that has gone on too far and too long and has gone from a well acted thought plot to an over stretched one. It was great that Sonia gave Chloe up for adoption as she felt that she couldn't bring her up in the situation she was in, she also thought of Chloe's interests when Pauline tried to adopt her, so WHY would she stop thinking of what is best for Chloe now. How could she really think that taking Chloe from the environment she has been raised from the people who love her, when she has just lost her (adoptive) parents would be the best thing to do?
lets hope that sonis just wants to check that chloe is being well looked after and not trying to get her back. if it is ening in two weeks then she cant be looking for custody.
I think that this is one story line that has gone on too far and too long and has gone from a well acted thought plot to an over stretched one.
Oh I can't agree with that. This is a storyline that was always going to happen. After Sonia kidnapped Chloe, she retreated into herself and thought that the best way to deal with the situation was to try not to think about her and she hasn't really mentioned her since. When Martin tried to bring up the subject last year when they were walking through the park with Bobby, Sonia made it clear that it wasn't open for discussion.
It was obvious that this girl needed some form of help and she should have been sent to a counsellor to try and sort out her feelings. Now she has seen Chloe again, all those feelings which haven't been dealt with have come rushing back. She desperately needs to sort out the guilt, the loss and grieve properly for her daughter. It is quite realistic to show that Sonia still has feelings for her Chloe and always will.
I feel the whole thing has been rather coincidised (if you know what I mean!) I mean what would the likely-hood be of you reading about your daughter's adoptive parents dieing in a car crash, finding out where the funeral is and choosing to go, all on the night before the actual event?
I know what you mean about this. But, my mum read about a friend's death in the paper and found out about the funeral and went to it all in the same day. It does seem a bit contrived, but it can happen. :hmm: Soaps are all about coincidences though aren't they? :rolleyes:
RealityGap
24-03-2005, 14:12
I do see what you mean about Sonia never having delt with the greif but I personally think that they could have explored this in other ways, such as Sonia and Martin deciding to have another child BUT realising they both need councelling. This could then highlight Sonia's need to grieve the loss and her guilt feelings.
As I said before I personally think that they have stretched this too far now.
I also worry that it is sending the wrong message to people concidering adoption, in that EE is potraying it in a very negative light from Sonia's view point, and although I don't think it is an easy thing to do or live with, it can be a positive for both the child and the birth mum
I think that's because Sonia really regrets her decision. I agree -Sonia did what she thought was best at the time but back then she was in a different place, clearly confused and in a difficult position. She was 15 and just given a birth to a baby she didn't plan for. She knew that she couldn't offer Chloe the life she deserved. There have been many mothers in similiar situations who have regreted thier choices months/years down the line. However Sonia made her decision and it best to let things lie now. It also depends on the families perspective on this and whether thier opinion of Chloe's best intrests will change over time. When Sonia heard about the death of Chloe's parents in the paper -her maternal instincts were telling her to check the welfare of her daughter. At that point her intention wasn't to get Chloe back but just to check that she was ok. However seeing Chloe is going to make it very difficult for Sonia to let her go and move on.
I don't think that adoption would be a option for her now but back then she thought she was doing the right thing. After kidnapping Chloe, only months later it became apparent that Sonia deeply regreted her decision and has done ever since.
RealityGap
24-03-2005, 17:07
it is a very difficult subject/situation, and depends on what you feel about things. I would say that a teenager who delivered a baby following a pregnancy would stuggle to bond with her baby (speaking as a nurse who has watched mothers struggle to bond with planned babies) therefor not quite sure I always get the fact Sonia is going along with her maternal instincts, as a mother myself I firmly believe my maternal instinct have grown along with the love for my children as I have gotten to know them.
BUT insaying all this EE is a soap and is there to entertain us and the bearing on reality is often blurred, and certainly the story line will no doubt bring out some great acting from James Alexandrou and Natalie Cassidy
littlemo
24-03-2005, 21:30
it is a very difficult subject/situation, and depends on what you feel about things. I would say that a teenager who delivered a baby following a pregnancy would stuggle to bond with her baby (speaking as a nurse who has watched mothers struggle to bond with planned babies) therefor not quite sure I always get the fact Sonia is going along with her maternal instincts, as a mother myself I firmly believe my maternal instinct have grown along with the love for my children as I have gotten to know them.
BUT insaying all this EE is a soap and is there to entertain us and the bearing on reality is often blurred, and certainly the story line will no doubt bring out some great acting from James Alexandrou and Natalie Cassidy
Yes I remember when Sonia gave birth she did find it very hard to bond with Chloe/Rebecca. She just wanted the social worker to take her baby away, and needed to get on with her life. At the hospital she felt confused and didn't think the baby had anything to do with her, it was like it had happened to somebody else. But the social worker wouldn't take the baby there and then, and Sonia was made to take the child home and bond with it, which made it very difficult for her to ignore growing feelings.
When Sonia finally gave her child away she felt devestated. It's clear those feelings haven't gone away. Martin was saying tonight that he thought she had put it behind her before, and wondered why she was feeling this way now, Sonia stated she had never got over it. We as the viewers have seen her emotion since she gave her baby away, Martin hasn't, so it seems he is a bit of an outsider.
I feel Martin was 'out of order' (that's a familiar EE saying isn't it) tonight, I know he has strong feelings and emotions about the situation, but what Sonia's going through can't be helped. Martin seems to think Sonia is crazy for even having these feelings for her daughter. And what he said about her being nutty, I know a lot of people have thought this of her recently, but for her husband to say it, it just wasn't nice. I also think Martin should talk about their daughter with Sonia, she needs to talk to somebody, and her husband should be the ideal person. A councillor can be good if you want to speak to somebody anonymously but you should be able to talk about your partner about something like this.
Martin needs to get on Sonia's side more. He can talk about his feelings, she can talk about hers. I'm sure it would help if they opened up, they love one another, and it's important to be there for each other.
littlemo
25-03-2005, 20:58
What did you think of the Chloe storyline tonight? It seems Martin and Sonia are really drifting apart. I don't think I'm on anybody's side, it is all very complicated. I have sympathies for both characters.
Martin is a bit on the outside of things, and is feeling that he may not be enough for Sonia, which is a horrible thing to be feeling. But on the other hand the person who is competing for her affection is his daughter, and he shouldn't feel jealous of that. He really wants to protect Sonia from getting hurt, but he can't because her maternal feelings are taking over her mind. I don't think Martin can compete with that.
I feel sorry for Sonia, Martin is trying desperately to understand what she's going through, but he can't. They are in love, but at the moment they are both at complete loggerheads. People keep telling Sonia that once she sees Chloe she is not going to be able to stop, and they are all right, and Sonia knows it but she can't help herself. We saw Sonia tonight with Chloe, and we knew that it wasn't going to be the last time she saw her. As soon as the grandmother suggested her coming around again, we knew what her reply would be. It's a great storyline!
I thought we saw good progress tonight in this storyline. Its almost as though we saw 'nutritional growth' in the emotions of Martin and Sonia. I think for the first time tonight we saw Sonia getting addicted to the drug which is Chloe.
I'm hopeing we'll continue to see similar 'evolution' in this storyline in the coming weeks. So far this week I had been disappointed (poor writing undoubtedly to blame), the inconsistancies to create a moving storyline was really becoming irritating but tonight I felt a very organic feel to things. Natalie Cassidy had a script where you could feel the emotion similarly with James Alexandrou and Jim (don't know who plays him!) but not to such a greater extent...
Certainly stronger progress tonight...
mandypops
25-03-2005, 21:32
my partner and i have been through an adoption assessment and we were asked to name somone who would look after our adotpive child if something happened to us. Also nominated persons would have to give their consent, so if eastenders have done their research chloes/rebeccas adoptives parents would have done the same thing. When parents give their children up for adoption they lose all rights and I mean all rights. The child even gets a new birth certificate with the adoptive parents name on and not the birth parents. So Matin and sonia have no rights at all as regards to Rebecca. If the child goes back then this is 100% unrealistic and I will switch off for good. If something happened to us I couldnt bear the thought of our 6 year old being put back with birth parents instead of the family he has grown to love.
I really don't know where EE are going with this storyline, whether it is just finally covering the emotional fallout of Chloe's adoption between Sonia and Martin, or whether they will try to get her back. But, I do believe that whatever the outcome, it will be something that could happen legally. It is too important a topic and EE know that.
I enjoyed the scenes tonight. Natalie and James are talented and I felt so sorry for both Sonia and Martin. I wish Martin had talked to Sonia last night when she desperately needed to speak with him. Now he wants to talk, she is bottling it up and closing off, you could see it in her face. It is going to cause so many problems for them, I wonder if they are strong enough to cope with it all.
I believe Martin and Sonia have a very strong relationship, this is the first major crisis in their marriage, apart from the stalker and Sonia forgave Martin even before she found out that nothing happened with Sarah which proved the strength of their love for one another. Their main problem so far has been living with Pauline, in fact they have been so loved up its weird to see them fight ! It will interesting to see what happens after they both see Chloe next Friday and how they cope afterward. Its complicated but I could'nt help thinking last night when I saw Chloe's elderly grandma , that Martin and Sonia should be a part of her life as her grandma won't be able to look after her forever and then her life will be disrupted again and she will find out when she is older that she was adopted and could resent her parents for not fighting for her. Whereas if she can now develop a relationship with Martin and Sonia when her grandma is no longer able to look after her , living with Martin and Sonia will seem natural to her. Chloe would still remain in contact with her extended adopted family. Ultimately its up to the executive producer but i really hope Martin and Sonia remain Mr and Mrs Fowler, i love the idea of them been the new Pauline and Arthur without the cardigans ! :hmm:
.:Kitz:.
26-03-2005, 16:50
Yeah, but some how i can't see Sonia down the pub with Dot and comparing dodgy hair cuts can u? ha ha, only kidding. Personally, i totally agree with u even tho i'm FAR to young to remember arthur and pauline together!
littlemo
27-03-2005, 18:35
I believe Martin and Sonia have a very strong relationship, this is the first major crisis in their marriage, apart from the stalker and Sonia forgave Martin even before she found out that nothing happened with Sarah which proved the strength of their love for one another. Their main problem so far has been living with Pauline, in fact they have been so loved up its weird to see them fight ! It will interesting to see what happens after they both see Chloe next Friday and how they cope afterward. Its complicated but I could'nt help thinking last night when I saw Chloe's elderly grandma , that Martin and Sonia should be a part of her life as her grandma won't be able to look after her forever and then her life will be disrupted again and she will find out when she is older that she was adopted and could resent her parents for not fighting for her. Whereas if she can now develop a relationship with Martin and Sonia when her grandma is no longer able to look after her , living with Martin and Sonia will seem natural to her. Chloe would still remain in contact with her extended adopted family. Ultimately its up to the executive producer but i really hope Martin and Sonia remain Mr and Mrs Fowler, i love the idea of them been the new Pauline and Arthur without the cardigans ! :hmm:
You make some very good points here. I agree that Sonia and Martin are great together, it's amazing how their relationship has grown from them being a couple of kids who hated each other, to husband and wife. I would love it if their relationship lasted, however I can't really see Natalie Cassidy staying long enough to become the next Pauline Fowler to be honest. I think she's such a great actress.
What you just said is exactly the way I want the situation with Chloe to happen. Sonia and Martin should be allowed access to their daughter. I don't know who Chloe/Rebecca should live with or who would benefit her in the long run. Her adopted grandmother is somebody the child knows quite well, and can probably give her a lot of things Martin and Sonia can't, but her feelings for Rebecca can't be as strong as Sonia's. I think a parents love is important. If Sonia and Martin keep contact with Chloe, at least she'll know she isn't an orphan.
littlemo
27-03-2005, 20:47
The epsiode I can't wait for is next friday. Martin coming face to face with his daughter. After all the denial of his feelings for Chloe, he is finally going to realise how much he does actually love her.
I know Martin is going to force Sonia to tell the truth about who she is but I really don't want this to be the end of the storyline. Chloe is their daughter, and it is important for her to be included in their lives.
Brummiegirl4805
27-03-2005, 22:26
Yeah I can't wait for that episode either. I've always wanted Chloe to come back in it. This story to me is very interesting. I mean yeah we knew there would be something with Chloe/Rebecca, it's been good so far. Big story for Sonia and Martin, just what I like to see.
Little Mo, Yeah I don't really think that Martin and Sonia will be around as long as Arthur and Pauline, last year there were rumours that James Alexandrou was planning to leave and then he did that directing course in New York, really hope he does'nt he is fantastic ! However Natalie Cassidy said she always wants to be a part of EE but I would like to see her in other things aswell. Ideally if they leave Martin and Sonia will emigrate to Florida and live happily ever after, not very EE I know !
littlemo
29-03-2005, 18:49
I read some news today in a magazine, about the Chloe storyline. Apparently when Sonia finally comes clean to Chloe/Rebecca's adopted gran, Martin and Sonia say a tearful goodbye to their daughter, and are finally able to get on with their lives. However as they try to put the past behind them and move on, Pauline finds out about the situation, and vows that she will do anything in her power to get Chloe back. I really want to know more about this, it sounds very exciting!
littlemo
29-03-2005, 23:11
Did anyone else find tonights episode really emotional? the stuff with Martin and Sonia was really gripping. They've had some really heavy talks lately, but tonight's was especially moving. It was the first time I really saw the situation from Sonia's point of view.
When Sonia told Martin about her wondering everyday if she did the right thing giving Chloe up, and about her feeling really guilty, it was really raw. It also made me feel quite sad, when she said that she didn't feel much like a mum now, but she really wanted too, and you could see her face when she said it, filled with sadness & longing.
I've always felt sorry for Sonia, and have wanted her to get her child back all along, but I don't think I quite saw the emotion of it all. I'm wondering whether tonight's episode may have turned a corner for some people. A lot of people have seen her as mad for not being able to let go and selfish. I think I saw a different side to her tonight, did anybody else?
I also think Martin should do exactly what Sonia said and support her. Even if he thinks she's wrong in seeking out her child, it's something she shouldn't have to go through alone. She has a husband, and she should be able to share things with him.
Yes, I thought it was gripping and emotional too. The trouble is that Sonia has never talked about Chloe properly to anyone and it has been eating away at her.
What I want to know is when did Martin get so grown up?? It was good to see them trying to talk about the situation even if they couldn't agree on it. They make a good, strong couple. It was very sad when Sonia admitted that she knew what she's doing is wrong, how she's going to get hurt and asked for Martin's support. At least he's finally beginning to realise just what Sonia has gone through with Chloe and how much she means to her.
crazygirl
30-03-2005, 16:25
i cant wait until pauline finds out and wants to see her does anyone know how long we have to wait until that sroryline?
littlemo
30-03-2005, 19:04
i cant wait until pauline finds out and wants to see her does anyone know how long we have to wait until that sroryline?
Not very long. According to the previews it's coming up in the next few weeks. I think after Martin and Sonia leave Chloe's gran's they are very emotional, but after a while, when they have got back to some normality, and are gettting their relationship back on track, this is when Pauline finds out about their secret. It's probably just as Sonia is beginning to get back to her old self. Pauline really picks her moments.
Sould be in Press Office Spoilers this week, look out for them on Friday!
littlemo
30-03-2005, 19:13
Yes, I thought it was gripping and emotional too. The trouble is that Sonia has never talked about Chloe properly to anyone and it has been eating away at her.
What I want to know is when did Martin get so grown up?? It was good to see them trying to talk about the situation even if they couldn't agree on it. They make a good, strong couple. It was very sad when Sonia admitted that she knew what she's doing is wrong, how she's going to get hurt and asked for Martin's support. At least he's finally beginning to realise just what Sonia has gone through with Chloe and how much she means to her.
Yes Martin does seem to have grown up overnight doesn't he? He used to be so immature and selfish, now he is really considering Sonia's feelings. I could see how much Martin loved Sonia last night, agreeing to go and see their child with her. Despite the fact that he thought she was wrong, he tried to put his feelings aside for her.
I'm glad that Martin is trying to listen to his wife instead of just judging her. What Sonia said about him needing to support her was completely right. Sonia just needs somebody to be there for her, she's never really had any support. Because Sonia's such a strong character and is quite stubborn, I think people around her feel she can cope with anything, but she was just a child when she had Chloe, and she has been going through all this pain without anybody too help her. Everybody just expects her to get on with it, and it's not that easy for her.
I really love this storyline, great acting by James and Natalie, and they've turned their characters into such a brilliant husband and wife duo.
littlemo
02-04-2005, 22:37
Another moving episode last night, incredible! I loved the way Martin warmed to Rebecca (his daughter), I read in a magazine that Martin finally saw his child as a 'little lady' (I think that's what James said). Last time Martin saw his daughter was when she was a baby, now 3 years later, there's a 4 year old girl staring back at him. She's walking and talking, it must be an incredible feeling, especially seeing she looks so much like him. I liked the way the director had Rebecca staring up at Martin all the time, with her long eyelashes (like Sonia said), and I think for the first time, he really saw himself in her. Martin couldn't get enough of her.
I genuinely thought too that the child actress playing Rebecca looked like Sonia and Martin. I loved seeing some of Martin's feelings coming out, I really felt for him, as well as Sonia.
I know Rebecca doesn't know about Martin and Sonia being their real parents, but it seems she has taken to them. I thought that picture thing was good, her each giving them a picture. I bet that's going to be treasured forever. And when Martin kissed Rebecca before he left, that was adorable.
I actually felt like I was going to cry when Martin and Sonia left the house, they were in tears, and they were just looking at their daughter with some stranger (to them, Martin anyway), and they just had to walk away. Excellent storyline!
I know it was so adorable the way Rebecca looked up at Martin with her big dark eyes and how he knelt down to say goodbye and she kissed him, it was nearly too much for me ! I dread to think what Pauline will do, I can't believe Dot tells her !
di marco
03-04-2005, 20:09
I can't believe Dot tells her !
well you know what dots like! she likes a good gossip about things! probably forgets she not meant to say anything until its too late!
Who was the father of Chloe? Jamie/Martin? I forgot. I really do hope that Sonia wins Chloe. I cant wait for this to happen, same week as Tina and Rubys arrival I think! Everythings going up a bit I guess this month!
Martin was or should i say is the father of chloe / rachel. they had a one night fling way back
littlemo
04-04-2005, 21:38
Martin was or should i say is the father of chloe / rachel. they had a one night fling way back
Chloe/Rebecca is Martin's daughter yes. I love this storyline it's great how they have brought something from way back and made it significant too current episodes, very gripping stuff!
I can't believe that Dot tells Pauline about Chloe, after Dot was talking tonight about being worried that Jim was going to tell her the truth. Dot agreed it's for the best, keeping Pauline out of it, so why does she have to go and rake everything up. Because it makes the storyline more dramatic!
It was nice tonight listening to Dot and Jim talking about their grandaughter. I can understand why they discouraged Sonia from continuing her relationship with Rebecca, but we can know see that it wasn't as cut and dry as some people thought. I didn't realise Dot and Jim had all those feelings and thoughts about her, Jim talked about what she looked like, and they were both excited about being a great-grandfather (I know Jim's got Liam, but Rebecca's his first great grandaughter) & step great grandmother (Dot). Although she's been adopted, it's clear they still think about her.
I can see that Rebecca would be very well taken care of if she went back with Martin and Sonia. She'd have Pauline, Jim and Dot fussing over her. Dot and Jim are very sweet I can imagine them with her. I think they'd all be very happy together.
It was interesting when the scene ended with Jim and Dot, they panned out and Dot was talking about them both being all alone in the house. I know it's probably something to do with their idea to move out, but it also got me thinking about Rebecca. That house used to be so noisy with all the Jacksons living there, it's definetely missing a child around the place. And also my idea that Martin and Sonia could move in if Jim and Dot moved out, it would be nice to start another generation of family, the Fowler-Jacksons.
littlemo
05-04-2005, 20:49
Saw Sonia tonight in EE a very small clip, but we saw Sonia find out about Jim and Dot's idea to move, and Sonia not feeling happy about it. I can see why Sonia wouldn't relish the idea, she is losing everyone she cares about, she has just said goodbye again to her daughter, and now her grandad the only link to her family she has in the square is thinking of leaving too.
Of course I know Dot and Jim won't be going far if at all but Sonia is bound to feel rather neglected. All she'll have to turn too eventually is Pauline (other than Martin), what an idea.
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